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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 16 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:15] <fxa90id> hmm
  8. # [00:15] <fxa90id> who is responsible for css parser in firefox ?
  9. # [00:15] <fxa90id> :D
  10. # [00:26] <cabanier> I have a question on how the accessibility tree is used during focusing
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  12. # [00:26] <cabanier> where does the operating system call into firefox to query the bounds?
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  15. # [00:44] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: depends what platform your talking about
  16. # [00:46] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I guess I want it for all platforms :-)
  17. # [00:46] <cabanier> tbsaunde: but mac first
  18. # [00:46] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I want to be able to specify the boudning rect when you tab to an element
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  20. # [00:49] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: hrm, let me look at mac
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  23. # [00:51] <cabanier> surkov: ping
  24. # [00:52] <@surkov> cabanier: pong
  25. # [00:52] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: I guess you want accessible/src/mac/mozAccessible.mm:378 or so
  26. # [00:52] <cabanier> surkov: tbsaunde is already looking but maybe you know the answer
  27. # [00:52] <cabanier> tbsaunde: looking
  28. # [00:52] <@surkov> it seems tbsaunde has an answer :)
  29. # [00:53] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: for all platforms you want Accessible::GetBounds()
  30. # [00:54] <cabanier> tbsaunde: it seems mozAccessible calls into GetBounds r
  31. # [00:55] <cabanier> tbsaunde: so I can update that for all platforms
  32. # [00:56] <@tbsaunde> yeah, or over ride it for some particular type of accessible if that makes more sense
  33. # [00:56] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I
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  35. # [00:57] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I'm saving the bounding rect of canvas fallback content using NS_DECLARE_FRAME_PROPERTY
  36. # [00:58] <cabanier> tbsaunde: so I should probably retrieve it in GetBounds and return it
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  38. # [00:59] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: that would probably make sense
  39. # [00:59] <@tbsaunde> assuming we create accessibles for that content
  40. # [01:00] <cabanier> tbsaunde: yes. I coded it in a different way before and that was working
  41. # [01:00] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I will attempt to make the changes. Can you review the patch?
  42. # [01:00] <@tbsaunde> yes
  43. # [01:02] <cabanier> tbsaunde: thanks!
  44. # [01:03] <@tbsaunde> np
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  51. # [02:11] <@firebot> bj@herbison.com cancelled needinfo?(bj@herbison.com) on bug 710195.
  52. # [02:11] <@firebot> bj@herbison.com changed the Resolution on bug 710195 from --- to INVALID.
  53. # [02:11] <@firebot> bj@herbison.com changed the Status on bug 710195 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  54. # [02:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710195 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Control-T and control-N do not work after clicking "Try again" from connection timeout
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  63. # [04:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 960382 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  64. # [04:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960382 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessible table rows should be of ATK_ROLE_TABLE_ROW; not ATK_ROLE_LIST_ITEM
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  70. # [05:44] <cabanier> tbsaunde: ping
  71. # [05:45] <cabanier> tbsaunde: I updated getBounds and also getBoundsRect but no dice.
  72. # [05:45] <cabanier> tbsaunde: VoiceOver is not highlighting the fallback content. Could it be that the a11y code thinks the element is covered up or invisible?
  73. # [05:46] <cabanier> tbsaunde: This is for this feature: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#dom-context-2d-drawsystemfocusring
  74. # [05:47] <cabanier> surkov: do you know? For some reason, I can't debug firefox with xcode...
  75. # [05:48] <@surkov> cabanier: unified sources? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Debugging_on_Mac_OS_X
  76. # [05:49] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: maybe?
  77. # [05:49] <cabanier> surkov: I JUST found that :-)
  78. # [05:49] <cabanier> surkov: trying now
  79. # [05:49] <@surkov> ok
  80. # [05:50] <cabanier> surkov: YES!
  81. # [05:50] <@surkov> good
  82. # [05:50] <cabanier> what a relief. now I will remove all the cout's
  83. # [06:00] <cabanier> surkov: I'm still lost.
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  85. # [06:01] <@surkov> where?
  86. # [06:01] <cabanier> surkov: so, I *think* I'm passing the right coordinates in getBounds, but voiceover is not drawing a rect around them
  87. # [06:02] <cabanier> surkov: it must think that the element is hidden or maybe it's using something else to get the rect
  88. # [06:02] <@surkov> cabanier: tried dom inspector?
  89. # [06:02] <cabanier> surkov: that one is wrong.
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  91. # [06:03] <cabanier> surkov: In my first patch, I updated the bounds of the fallback element
  92. # [06:03] <cabanier> surkov: and then it was displaying correctly in the dom inspector and a11y
  93. # [06:03] <cabanier> surkov: but roc said that was the wrong way to calculate it
  94. # [06:03] <cabanier> surkov: and that is only should be done in a11y
  95. # [06:04] <@surkov> that makes sense
  96. # [06:04] <cabanier> surkov: so now I don't update the DOM and am trying to teach the a11y code about the bounds of the fallback element
  97. # [06:05] <@surkov> yep, that's what canvas API requires iirc
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  100. # [06:05] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: ok
  101. # [06:08] <cabanier> surkov: yes. I thought it made sense to update the bounds too but I can live with it only being for a11y
  102. # [06:10] <cabanier> do you guys have an idea where I should look?
  103. # [06:10] <cabanier> otherwise, I'll keep debugging (now that the debugger works :-))
  104. # [06:10] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: well, if you look at the accessible in domi does it have state invisible / offscreen?
  105. # [06:11] <cabanier> domi?
  106. # [06:12] <@tbsaunde> dom inspector
  107. # [06:13] <cabanier> tbsaunde: where do I see that in the inspector?
  108. # [06:14] <@tbsaunde> cabanier: ask surkov, I don't really use it
  109. # [06:14] * @tbsaunde usually just calls accessible->State() in gdb
  110. # [06:15] <@surkov> domi has few a11y views in left panel like acc tree
  111. # [06:15] <@surkov> and then you can choose views in right panel
  112. # [06:16] <@surkov> acc props should show x, y, w, h
  113. # [06:16] <cabanier> surkov: how can I get to those?
  114. # [06:17] <cabanier> a11y views
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  116. # [06:17] <@surkov> like any other view, http://asurkov.blogspot.com/2012/02/dom-inspector-as-accessibility-tool.html
  117. # [06:20] <cabanier> where's the 'Show Accessible Nodes' menu option
  118. # [06:25] <cabanier> ok. I have to download dom inspector
  119. # [06:26] <cabanier> I though it was built-in
  120. # [06:26] <@tbsaunde> no :/ sorry
  121. # [06:31] <cabanier> tbsaunde: it doesn't shoud x, y, w, h
  122. # [06:31] <cabanier> show x, y, w, h
  123. # [06:32] <cabanier> o wait. something suddenly changed
  124. # [06:33] <cabanier> ok, I understand it now
  125. # [06:34] <cabanier> so, it's showing me the x, y, width and height that I'm passing in
  126. # [06:34] <cabanier> state: focused, focusable, checkable, opaque, enabled, sensitive
  127. # [06:34] <cabanier> bounds x: 958; y: 515; width: 13; height: 13;
  128. # [06:39] <cabanier> tbsaunde: it looks correct to me
  129. # [06:43] <cabanier> surkov: tbsaunde: let me know if you have any ideas. I'm off to bed now
  130. # [06:43] <cabanier> thanks for your help so far!
  131. # [06:43] <@surkov> sure, yw
  132. # [06:44] <@tbsaunde> I'm not really sure how focus rings work on mark or for that matter anywhere else, so no clue
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  170. # [11:15] <Gijs> Is MarcoZ around this week?
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  175. # [12:11] <@firebot> enndeakin@gmail.com requested needinfo from matspal@gmail.com on bug 957332.
  176. # [12:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957332 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, atk_text_set_caret_offset() should clear visual selection/highlighting
  177. # [12:30] <icaaq> SteveF ping
  178. # [12:50] <SteveF> icaaq: hi
  179. # [12:50] <icaaq> hi, have you read this? http://filamentgroup.com/lab/bulletproof_icon_fonts/
  180. # [12:50] <icaaq> SteveF^
  181. # [12:51] <SteveF> icaaq: skimmed it not dug in yet
  182. # [12:51] <icaaq> ok, I was just curious if the use og label element is correct
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  184. # [12:56] <icaaq> SteveF: there's no validation error but <label> are only to be used with form elements right?
  185. # [13:29] <SteveF> icaaq:yeah
  186. # [13:33] <icaaq> SteveF: strange that they used it, do you know any of them?
  187. # [13:33] <SteveF> icaaq: sort of will look into it
  188. # [13:33] <icaaq> SteveF great!
  189. # [13:42] <SteveF> icaaq: pinged them via twitter
  190. # [13:43] <icaaq> SteveF yes, I asked the same (sortof) earlier
  191. # [13:43] <icaaq> :)
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  210. # [16:35] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 694473 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
  211. # [16:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694473 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Recent closed tabs:short cut command + Z
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  252. # [19:12] <@firebot> dzbarsky@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 952782 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  253. # [19:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952782 nor, --, ---, dzbarsky, ASSI, Use nsIDocument instead of nsIDOMDocument in accessible
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  258. # [19:56] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com requested needinfo from jdiggs@igalia.com on bug 957332.
  259. # [19:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957332 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, atk_text_set_caret_offset() should clear visual selection/highlighting
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