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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 05 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  4. # [00:09] <@eeejay> yzen, hey. were you looking for me?
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  66. # [09:09] <@MarcoZ> Good day all!
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  68. # [09:23] <icaaq> Hi marcoz, I have a small a small question for you if you have the time :)
  69. # [09:24] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Sure!
  70. # [09:27] <icaaq> MarcoZ on http://developer.mozilla.org there are three skiplinks, I would say that the first one is enough. what do you think?
  71. # [09:30] <icaaq> not a big thing maybe, but i'm not a big fan of multiple skiplinks :)
  72. # [09:30] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I am actually not certain about that. The "Skip to Search" one maybe, but the "Other Langages" one I find quite useful. MDN prides itself on being localized and localizable, so giving users an option to select another language, and making it visible to screen reader and keyboard users in this fashion is not a bad thing, since it is the very last element on the page.
  73. # [09:40] <icaaq> MarcoZ ok! great to get a second opinion :) then I wont suggest that change
  74. # [09:41] <@MarcoZ> No, I'd say leave them as is.
  75. # [09:41] <@MarcoZ> Blind users will probably use Landmark nav by now anyway.
  76. # [09:42] <icaaq> yes
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  89. # [12:46] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 968138 filed by worstbull@gmx.at.
  90. # [12:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=968138 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [de] Ctrl+Shift+T does not reopen last closed tab (German locale)
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  92. # [13:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 967238 from --- to FIXED.
  93. # [13:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 967238 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  94. # [13:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 967238 from --- to mozilla30.
  95. # [13:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=967238 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Avoid recreating a constructor for the internal State object in Utils.jsm.
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  106. # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> Hi and good day all!
  107. # [15:48] <@davidb> heyo!
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  109. # [16:01] <@davidb> jwei: how's now?
  110. # [16:02] <jwei> davidb: Now's fine.
  111. # [16:02] <@davidb> righto
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  113. # [16:02] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
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  117. # [16:33] * @MarcoZ is slowly starting to regret not going to CSUN this year after all. The guy who gives the opening keynote this year is amazing.
  118. # [16:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ: go
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  120. # [16:51] <@yzen> MarcoZ I was hoping to run by you the quick disable/enable of the screen reader on gaia
  121. # [16:52] <@yzen> i was playing around with the triple hardware power button click
  122. # [16:52] <@yzen> it works great , except there's no confirmation and/or feedback present yet
  123. # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hey, that sounds awesome!
  124. # [16:55] <@yzen> MarcoZ so the with confirmation is that the screen after 3 clicks can either be off or on
  125. # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And that feedback when the screen reader is turned on and off shouldn't bee too hard, right? We'd need a mechanism from there to shove an utterance to the speech synthesizer, but only on FF OS.
  126. # [16:56] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Well, can we detect if the screen is on or off, and give a spoken hint if it's off?
  127. # [16:56] <@yzen> so im thinking there are several things here
  128. # [16:57] <@yzen> MarcoZ i was hoping to not activate it right away but instead bring the dialog up asking for confirmation
  129. # [16:57] <@yzen> what do you think ?
  130. # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Well if a blind person gets a new Firefox OS phone, and want to set it up, they will have no way to confirm that dialog on their own, right?
  131. # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> davidbYou weren't serious, were you? :)
  132. # [17:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes correct, and we have a bug for that too, also from what i understood the quick toggle is more for dev use than anything
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  134. # [17:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ ok so from what i can tell the good way forward is to start the screen reader and say it's on and in case it's off say it is off ?
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  137. # [17:01] <@MarcoZ> yzen: On iOS, it's also for turning VoiceOver on initially. The triple-click Home is predefined so a blind person can walk out of an Apple Store or order online, get their phone, and set things up all by themselves.
  138. # [17:01] <@yzen> MarcoZ yep
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  140. # [17:01] <@MarcoZ> yzen: If it's on, there's no need to tell the user that. Only if it's off the user needs to know. The normal expectation is: Screen reader is on, start touching the screen to do stuff.
  141. # [17:02] <@yzen> MarcoZ cool, but you would want to know the screen is off right ?
  142. # [17:02] <@yzen> when starting it that is
  143. # [17:02] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And the VoiceOver confirmation dialog comes up if VoiceOver is turned on through the Settings dialog, not via triple click home. Triple click home is assumed to be an intentional gesture to turn on the screen reader.
  144. # [17:03] <@yzen> MarcoZ great, that's what i was hoping for
  145. # [17:03] <@MarcoZ> And I think we should do the same: Ask for confirmation if the screen reader is turned on from the Settings dialog. Also, we might think about asking this only once, e. g. if the dialog is okayed, store that, and in future, turn on straight away.
  146. # [17:03] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes if the screen is off when the screen reader is turned on, tell the user so.
  147. # [17:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya i think eeejay has a pull request for that , will check with him about the dialog persistence
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  153. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> Back.
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  155. # [17:14] <@davidb> back too
  156. # [17:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes serious - if you want to go we should figure it out
  157. # [17:14] <@davidb> probably hard to get a hotel room
  158. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm told rooms are still available.
  159. # [17:16] <@davidb> cool
  160. # [17:16] <@MarcoZ> Also, there were quite a few people sorry that I wouldn't be there, a lot of interest in Firefox OS.
  161. # [17:17] <@davidb> and capti
  162. # [17:17] <@davidb> i mean capti might also be a reason to go
  163. # [17:18] <@davidb> (or not)
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  166. # [17:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ and I backchanneled to save y'all the spam
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  169. # [18:04] <@davidb> jwei, surkov I'm not lunching today
  170. # [18:04] <@surkov> davidb: starving?
  171. # [18:04] <@davidb> surkov: i had a late breakfast
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  173. # [18:18] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro requested needinfo from jruderman@gmail.c om on bug 895082.
  174. # [18:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895082 nor, --, mozilla28, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, "ASSERTION: Adopting child!" in Accessible::BindToParent with multiple <body> elements
  175. # [18:18] <@surkov> jwei: grab some food?
  176. # [18:18] <jwei> surkov: Sure.
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  193. # [20:04] <@yzen> eeejay any time's good
  194. # [20:05] <@eeejay> yzen, firing up skype
  195. # [20:06] <@eeejay> yzen, are you in skype?
  196. # [20:06] <@yzen> woops
  197. # [20:06] <@yzen> i am now
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  202. # [20:19] <@MarcoZ> Hi there again!
  203. # [20:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yo!
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  208. # [20:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from matspal@gmail.com on bug 957332.
  209. # [20:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957332 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, atk_text_set_caret_offset() should clear visual selection/highlighting
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  214. # [21:30] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 961737 from --- to FIXED.
  215. # [21:30] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 961737 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  216. # [21:30] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 961737 from --- to mozilla30.
  217. # [21:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=961737 maj, --, mozilla30, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Regression: atk_text_get_text() is broken w.r.t. embedded object characters
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  220. # [21:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957332 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, atk_text_set_caret_offset() should clear visual selection/highlighting
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  224. # [21:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957332 min, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, atk_text_set_caret_offset() should clear visual selection/highlighting
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