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  66. # [07:21] * Topic is 'build the web for everyone | http://is.gd/yqDl6M'
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  93. # [09:39] <icaaq> MarcoZ hi! another question for you :)
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  97. # [09:52] <icaaq> MarcoZ I daily see links or buttons that says "close", "next" or "previous" and I think it's hard to grasp
  98. # [09:52] <icaaq> do you experience the same thing?
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  120. # [13:18] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 965347 from --- to FIXED.
  121. # [13:18] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 965347 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  122. # [13:18] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 965347 from --- to mozilla30.
  123. # [13:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=965347 nor, --, mozilla30, badescunicu, RESO FIXED, get rid of HyperTextAccessible::FrameSelection()
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  127. # [14:17] <@davidb> heyo!
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  133. # [15:11] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb|afk! :)
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  137. # [15:27] <@yzen> good notifications very nice ui, ability to customize everything and run scripts and all
  138. # [15:27] <@yzen> wrong window :)
  139. # [15:37] <@davidb|afk> yzen: i want what you are selling
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  141. # [15:38] <@yzen> davidb lol was trying to convince someone to try an IRC client app
  142. # [15:38] <@davidb> heh
  143. # [15:38] <@yzen> something jlin recommended and it's great :)
  144. # [15:38] <@davidb> which one?
  145. # [15:38] <@yzen> textual
  146. # [15:38] <@yzen> mac only
  147. # [15:38] <@davidb> never heard of it
  148. # [15:38] <@davidb> i will check it out
  149. # [15:38] <@yzen> it's 4.99 or free if you want to build from source in xcode
  150. # [15:43] <jwei> yzen: Free from source? I'll try it. :P
  151. # [15:43] <@yzen> jwei ya there's only one trick, you need to sign it , but you can use your own certificate
  152. # [15:43] <jwei> yzen: Okay, cool.
  153. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Nice progress you and eeejay are making on FF OS! We have an Accessibility Settings panel now! :)
  154. # [15:47] <@yzen> was that pull merged in ?
  155. # [15:47] <@yzen> MarcoZ^
  156. # [15:50] <@yzen> MarcoZ btw, i am finishing up the tripple press toggle work, something eeejay suggested was to have initial 3 presses then hear the confirmation to click 3 more times to disable/enable. I was wondering what would you think a reasonable time we should wait between the first 3 presses and the final ones ?
  157. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Phew, difficult to say, but depending on how long the announcement is, at least 20 seconds.
  158. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, bug 952312 was merged in last night.
  159. # [15:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952312 nor, --, ---, eitan, RESO FIXED, [Settings] Introduce Screen Reader Panel
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  163. # [15:54] <@davidb> darn it
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  166. # [15:54] <@davidb> aha
  167. # [15:55] <@davidb> yzen: do you feel like guest speaking on web a11y at a girls learning code hack lab?
  168. # [15:55] <@yzen> davidb ooh that would be cool
  169. # [15:55] <@davidb> oho! ok then. email coming.
  170. # [15:55] <@yzen> :)
  171. # [15:55] <@yzen> thanks
  172. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Did you see my replies before you lost connection?
  173. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Phew, difficult to say, but depending on how long the announcement is, at least 20 seconds.
  174. # [15:56] <@yzen> MarcoZ no :( ill check the log
  175. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, bug 952312 was merged in last night.
  176. # [15:56] <@yzen> nice
  177. # [15:57] <@yzen> MarcoZ ok i caught up, ya i was thinking 30s
  178. # [15:57] <@davidb> (yzen it sounds like an offshoot of girls learning code)
  179. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So, is this all in Gaia, or do you need to touch other parts, too?
  180. # [15:57] <@davidb> (anyways, email coming)
  181. # [15:58] <@yzen> MarcoZ you mean the hardware buttons, gaia only
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  184. # [16:04] <@davidb> yzen: for bug 957674, did you guys consider a power menu option? (as per comment 0)
  185. # [16:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957674 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, Need an easy way to disable the screen reader
  186. # [16:04] <@davidb> (like airplane mode on/off on android)
  187. # [16:05] <@davidb> by the way, I am WFH today
  188. # [16:05] <@yzen> davidb yes, it might not very well if a blind user wants to enable it through that menu, right ?
  189. # [16:06] <@davidb> yzen: comment 0 was suggested only showing it if it was enabled already. (to turn it off)
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  191. # [16:06] <@davidb> i imagine the use case is visual user gets frustrated, goes to power off, sees option.
  192. # [16:07] <@davidb> they won't know about swipe-nav
  193. # [16:07] <@davidb> it would have to be done carefully so real users didn't accidentally turn it off
  194. # [16:07] <@davidb> sorry to ask now - just curious though
  195. # [16:07] <@yzen> davidb that's a good point
  196. # [16:07] <@davidb> i'll ask in the bug as well
  197. # [16:08] <@davidb> so we don't lose it
  198. # [16:08] <@yzen> well we are doing it with a confirmation as well , so i think accidental on/off should be ok
  199. # [16:08] <@davidb> ok
  200. # [16:08] <@yzen> but i like your point about the frustration and holding the power menu
  201. # [16:09] <@yzen> they would need to know how to get to disabling it though
  202. # [16:09] <@yzen> i think ill open a separate bug for that
  203. # [16:12] <@davidb> yzen: ok cool, you can mention the spin off after my comment
  204. # [16:12] <@yzen> cool
  205. # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> yzen: davidb: Yep we need to make sure it's failsafe for blind users. And having a touch-sensitive region when everything else is explore by touch might be tricky.
  206. # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> But doable.
  207. # [16:13] * @davidb nods
  208. # [16:20] <@davidb> yzen, MarcoZ it may well not make sense - I didn't think about it for more than 5 minutes.
  209. # [16:20] <@davidb> just saying
  210. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No worries, all ideas welcome!
  211. # [16:23] <@davidb> [insert outlandish idea here]
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  216. # [16:46] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is it your travel day?
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  224. # [17:11] <@firebot> askalski was last seen 27 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying 'yep, and it's great, just solved some geometric puzzle today' in #accessibility.
  225. # [17:11] <@davidb> heh
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  240. # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I think I'm going to call today pto
  241. # [18:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sounds wise - have a nice flight
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  254. # [19:15] <@eeejay> i wish bugzilla had "like" links next to comments
  255. # [19:29] <@davidb> annotation is the closest
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  293. # [22:38] <@eeejay> maxli, howdy. you around?
  294. # [22:39] <maxli> eeejay: hi, yes
  295. # [22:39] <@eeejay> maxli, wondering if you could jog my memory about a [patch you wrote long ago :)
  296. # [22:40] <maxli> eeejay: alright, which one?
  297. # [22:40] <@davidb> he needs you to remind him that too
  298. # [22:40] <@eeejay> maxli, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/jsat/content-script.js#226
  299. # [22:41] <@eeejay> maxli, why do we present things from there, and not actually listen for caret change events and present it via EventManager
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  301. # [22:47] <maxli> eeejay: I think it's because we wouldn't have the old offset in the EventManager.
  302. # [22:47] <@eeejay> maxli, yeah.. we should change that.
  303. # [22:49] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 969077 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  304. # [22:56] <@eeejay> :(
  305. # [22:57] <@eeejay> surkov, what about storing the offset of the current caret, and updating it after the event?
  306. # [22:58] <@davidb> (memories of text removed)
  307. # [22:59] <@eeejay> davidb, is that an obstacle or a real memory?
  308. # [23:01] <@davidb> just a vaguely similar problem
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  310. # [23:07] <@surkov> eeejay: iirc we calculate caret offset before we fire event, so if the user keeps arrow pressed then we generate one event and calculate the offset only once
  311. # [23:08] <@surkov> we could keep it cached somewhere though
  312. # [23:08] <@eeejay> surkov, yeah, that is what i am thinking
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  314. # [23:09] <@surkov> I see
  315. # [23:09] <@surkov> eeejay, the question is where
  316. # [23:09] <@eeejay> surkov, on the accessible?
  317. # [23:09] <@eeejay> surkov, then when we fire the event, we update the cached offset to the new one
  318. # [23:10] <@surkov> eeejay: that's 4 bytes per instance
  319. # [23:10] <@eeejay> ouch! :)
  320. # [23:10] <@eeejay> surkov, a hash table with strong references sounds even scarier
  321. # [23:11] <@surkov> I'd say so
  322. # [23:11] <@surkov> maybe tbsaunde has ideas
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