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  17. # [01:38] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com requested needinfo from yzenevich@mozilla .com on bug 976082.
  18. # [01:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976082 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide tests for touch adapter.
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  71. # [11:05] <@MarcoZ> Good morning!
  72. # [11:05] <@MarcoZ> (if there's anyone awake yet.) ;)
  73. # [11:07] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 970005 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  74. # [11:07] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro set status-firefox30 to verified on bug 970005.
  75. # [11:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=970005 cri, --, mozilla30, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, Browser hang, when you clicked left upper red "Gmail"
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  102. # [13:56] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 977170 from --- to FIXED.
  103. # [13:57] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 977170 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  104. # [13:57] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 977170 from --- to mozilla30.
  105. # [13:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=977170 nor, --, mozilla30, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, can't query IAccessible from HTML area element having ISimpleDOMNode pointer
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  119. # [15:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 980307 filed by VYV03354@nifty.ne.jp.
  120. # [15:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980307 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove DataContainerEvent dependency from accessibility
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  122. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Morning yzen! :)
  123. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Hi surkov!
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  128. # [15:47] <@surkov> hey, MarcoZ!
  129. # [15:47] <@davidb> heyo
  130. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb ! :)
  131. # [15:48] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ
  132. # [15:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you certainly appear to feel strongly about directory tiles
  133. # [15:49] <@davidb> (perhaps more strongly than when we last spoke?)
  134. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yup! I particularly feel strongly about the internet needing something better than advertising the way it is today!
  135. # [15:50] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what about the arguments for fixing the industry?
  136. # [15:50] <@davidb> I don't really see how that can be done without doing the dance.
  137. # [15:50] <@davidb> maybe i drank the wrong koolaid :)
  138. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I don't actually believe this will work. The industry is so spoiled by Google and others that they have no real incentive to change.
  139. # [15:51] <@davidb> only one way to find out.
  140. # [15:51] <@davidb> lots of people have tried to think how to monetize without ads
  141. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The new version of Gmail for iOS, released yesterday, for example, will automatically log you into Google Maps and others if they are installed once you sign into Gmail itself. Even if you specifically chose earlier to not sign into Google Maps.
  142. # [15:52] <@davidb> we aren't G :)
  143. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nope, but that's only a small comfort. ;)
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  145. # [15:53] <@davidb> we're bound to our mission not shareholders, totally different
  146. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I haven't really heard any convincing arguments that convince me there are good ideas on the table to change the ad industry. The only thing I've really heard so far is "we want to make directory tiles that don't track users".
  147. # [15:53] <@davidb> i find enormous comfort in that
  148. # [15:54] <@davidb> well I can imagine laying out details for fixing the ad industry could be problematic
  149. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> Oh, in that I find enormous comfort, too. But I also agree with Zack that the more we make ourselves dependent on ad industry folks, the more we depend on a different kind of share holder.
  150. # [15:55] <@davidb> ads that don't track sound like a step in the right direction.
  151. # [15:55] <@davidb> yes the dependance is something to be mindful about
  152. # [15:55] <@davidb> i agree
  153. # [15:56] <@davidb> MarcoZ: we should make them aria-hidden :)
  154. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> *chuckles*
  155. # [15:57] <@davidb> heehee
  156. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh speaking of ARIA: I sent in my first public PFWG comment today: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2014JanMar/0015.html
  157. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> Am currently thinking of turning that into a full blown Easy ARIA tip blog post.
  158. # [15:58] <@davidb> wowsa
  159. # [15:58] <@davidb> good idea - maybe wait for a bit of feedback?
  160. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> Exactly that.
  161. # [15:58] <@davidb> MarcoZ: maybe you should be an editor on the BPG
  162. # [15:58] <@davidb> best practices guide
  163. # [15:59] <@davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/
  164. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Hmmmm that may also mean becoming involved in the whole W3C thing again. ;)
  165. # [15:59] <@davidb> you could be special ops... fly in, fly out
  166. # [16:00] <@davidb> or just hand stuff to clown
  167. # [16:01] <@davidb> anyways, posting to the list is pretty much the same idea :)
  168. # [16:02] <@davidb> surkov: looks like i missed you this week. hopefully we lunch together next week.
  169. # [16:03] <@surkov> davidb: you won't be in the office today?
  170. # [16:03] <@davidb> surkov: working from home today and taking PTO tomorrow
  171. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I think I'll do a combination of writing to that list and handing stuff to clown. :) As SteveF suggested. ;)
  172. # [16:04] <@davidb> nice
  173. # [16:05] <@davidb> TPG is really something
  174. # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Indeed!
  175. # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: BTW that guide already has suggestions for AutoComplete widgets that are compatible to my suggestion: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#autocomplete
  176. # [16:14] <@davidb> great
  177. # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: https://twitter.com/thebillygregory/status/441592015768535040
  178. # [16:20] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heh!
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  180. # [16:35] <@surkov> http://oaa-accessibility.org/example/42/
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  183. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Wow, they are still around? Aside from you, haven't heard anything from the OAA in ages. ;)
  184. # [16:58] <@surkov> yeah :)
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  189. # [17:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: are you spending much time in windows?
  190. # [17:08] <@davidb> i'm guessing a mix of windows and ios
  191. # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Indeed I am!
  192. # [17:08] <@davidb> finding any bugs?
  193. # [17:08] <@davidb> i mean generally not just a11y
  194. # [17:09] <@davidb> i was having trouble with nightly last week but it got better
  195. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: In fact, I am currently using my new shiny Lenovo laptop for work as well, since the Virtual machine I was using on the MacBook decided to finally break down after two years. I need to re-do it, just haven't found the desire to do so yet. ;)
  196. # [17:09] <@davidb> cool
  197. # [17:09] <@davidb> bbiab
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  199. # [17:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: hadn't noticed anything on the sites I visit, but I saw some comments on Twitter that one Nightly had been bad last week or the week before, don't recall.
  200. # [17:10] <@MarcoZ> But I must have skipped that or not run into the particular issues.
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  202. # [17:15] <@davidb> ah so i wasn't the only one
  203. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Don't think you were.
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  212. # [18:06] <yzen_> eeejay are you around ?
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  218. # [18:16] <eeejay> yzen, yo
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  220. # [18:17] <yzen> eeejay so i did not manage to build pico on mac :( pre make steps seem to fail for me for the most part
  221. # [18:17] <eeejay> yzen, dang.
  222. # [18:17] <eeejay> yzen, did you see the touch tests were backed out?
  223. # [18:21] <yzen> eeejay yes, weirdly linux debug only, i guess timeouts are not super reliable
  224. # [18:21] <yzen> eeejay ill spend some time on making it bullet proof
  225. # [18:21] <eeejay> yzen, yeah. about pico. you may simply want a vm
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  247. # [20:22] <Bryen> heya davidb Your team heading down to CSUN this year?
  248. # [20:23] <@davidb> Bryen: no. next year.
  249. # [20:23] <Bryen> davidb, What are you doing? Figuring out which alternate years I am not going?
  250. # [20:23] <@davidb> heh
  251. # [20:23] <@davidb> right!
  252. # [20:24] * Bryen thinks davidb and team should go to the other awesome conference this year in Vegas
  253. # [20:24] <Bryen> (cheaper too!)
  254. # [20:24] <@davidb> Bryen: which one?
  255. # [20:24] <Bryen> davidb, International DeafBlind Expo in Las vegas last week of July.
  256. # [20:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 980480 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  257. # [20:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980480 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, hit testing and boundareis fail on rethina displays
  258. # [20:25] <Bryen> <-- one of the schmucks who got sucked into co-organizing it :-)
  259. # [20:30] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com set status-firefox28 to wontfix on bug 949518.
  260. # [20:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=949518 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, No ValueChangedEvent fired when changing the number in an input type="number" with the arrow keys
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  267. # [21:46] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 980507 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  268. # [21:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980507 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Re-do Presenter output formats
  269. # [21:48] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 980509 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  270. # [21:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980509 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Speech does not support move text by granularity.
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  273. # [21:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980510 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After moving by granularity, swiping to next object brings up current object.
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  275. # [21:55] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 980512 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  276. # [21:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980512 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] When navigating by word, apostrophes in english should not separate words.
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  288. # [22:31] <@davidb> yzen: good talk?
  289. # [22:31] <@yzen> davidb ya i think it went well, people were pretty engaged, lots of questions
  290. # [22:32] <@davidb> good sign
  291. # [22:33] <@davidb> yzen: did they like the stickers?
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  293. # [22:33] <@yzen> not enough :)
  294. # [22:34] <@yzen> i was about 10 short
  295. # [22:34] <@davidb> ouch
  296. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> I just went to upgrade my laptop and saw it wants to install linux 3.13 and then went wow its been over three years since linux 3.0
  297. # [22:43] <@tbsaunde> also a new mutt version O.O
  298. # [22:48] <@davidb> i sort of miss linux
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