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  71. # [11:36] <SteveF> MarcoZ: morning
  72. # [11:36] <@MarcoZ> Morning SteveF !
  73. # [11:37] <SteveF> MarcoZ: the current requirement in the spec is that the browser needs to modify the heading level accessibility mapping based on the nesting level of the heading in sectioning elements
  74. # [11:38] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: I thought that outline algorithm thing was left behind ages ago. ;)
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  76. # [11:39] <SteveF> MarcoZ: there are no mainstream requirements on UAs to implement the algorithm and no vendors have shown any interest in implemnting it
  77. # [11:40] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: So, this is basically getting rid of those bits that are not in the common UA spec, but in the a11y bits specifically?
  78. # [11:40] <SteveF> MarcoZ: yes, if there is no interest in implementing
  79. # [11:41] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: I wouldn't think there is. Even JAWS abandoned the bits they had in JAWS 15.
  80. # [11:43] <SteveF> MarcoZ: If there was a DOM method implemented that produced a document outline, which acc engineers could make use of to work out the heading levels it may be worth it, but there has been push back from implementers on doing so
  81. # [11:44] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: So...What is it exactly you'd like from me on this?
  82. # [11:45] <SteveF> MarcoZ: I am asking implemnters if we should modify the requirements to reflect current implementations or should we leave it as is with the understanding that it will be implemented
  83. # [11:46] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Well as for us, we currently have no plans to implement it.
  84. # [11:46] <SteveF> MarcoZ: OK thanks
  85. # [11:46] <@MarcoZ> And since there is no interest it seems, I'd say changing the requirement to reflect reality is probably best.
  86. # [11:47] <SteveF> OK so can you comment on bug to that affect?
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  88. # [12:00] <SteveF> MarcoZ: OK so can you comment on bug to that affect?
  89. # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Yup.
  90. # [12:33] <SteveF> MarcoZ: got it thanks!
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  97. # [13:44] <@davidb> heyo!
  98. # [13:44] * @davidb hunts coffeeeeeeee
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  100. # [13:45] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb! Hope te hunt is successful! ;)
  101. # [13:49] <@davidb> great success
  102. # [13:49] <@davidb> this is a mozilla office after all
  103. # [13:50] <icaaq> I was down at the paris office this weekend, wow.....just wow
  104. # [13:51] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Haven't seen that one yet.
  105. # [13:51] <@davidb> icaaq: i've only seen pictures... it looks ridiculous!
  106. # [13:51] <icaaq> like a palace
  107. # [13:51] <@davidb> i feel like i would need to wear tails
  108. # [13:52] <@davidb> icaaq: i think i saw a pic of you tweeted by codepo8
  109. # [13:52] <@MarcoZ> Well, from my two visits to Paris in my life so far, I always felt underdressed. Even though I never saw the people around me. ;)
  110. # [13:52] <@MarcoZ> Paris just seems to give you that feeling.
  111. # [13:52] <@davidb> MarcoZ: very interesting
  112. # [13:52] <@davidb> of course, you were walking around with your shirt off. bloody tourist.
  113. # [13:53] <@MarcoZ> LOL
  114. # [13:53] <@davidb> heheh
  115. # [13:54] <@MarcoZ> So, the Mountain View folks move into the new office next weekend. And bloody Berlin still hasn't managed to finish building that stupid new office building we're supposed to move into. Gosh this is so embarrassin!
  116. # [13:55] <@MarcoZ> In case you haven't seen it yet: I wrote something about ARIA auto-complete markup earlier today: http://www.marcozehe.de/2014/03/11/easy-aria-tip-7-use-listbox-and-option-roles-when-constructing-autocomplete-lists/
  117. # [13:56] <icaaq> davidb yeah,me drinking beer and a good working pose
  118. # [13:56] <@davidb> you were lying on your stomach
  119. # [13:56] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes i need to catch up
  120. # [13:58] <@davidb> listbox makes total sense here
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  122. # [14:04] <icaaq> davidb yeah
  123. # [14:04] <@davidb> icaaq: cool that you were there
  124. # [14:05] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Exactly. We use that when we expose the elements of a datalist (as the datalist to an input, new HTML5 stuff).
  125. # [14:05] * @davidb nods
  126. # [14:05] <@MarcoZ> davidb: icaaq: Twitter used a menu and menuitem role combination until yesterday. Was not workable. Jamie and I convinced him to change it.
  127. # [14:05] <@davidb> yeah saw that tweet around
  128. # [14:06] <icaaq> MarcoZ great!
  129. # [14:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Todd seems to be able to change production code quick, which is something
  130. # [14:07] <@davidb> if aria wasn't passive, i doubt it would be so quick
  131. # [14:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heh, yeah there were times I thought exactly the same! :)
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  134. # [14:15] <@MarcoZ> Morning yzen! :)
  135. # [14:15] <@yzen> MarcoZ hihi
  136. # [14:16] <@yzen> MarcoZ tests should be on m-c shortly :)
  137. # [14:21] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah saw you got them landed on inbound! Gret stuff!
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  159. # [15:58] <SteveF> surkov: hi any movement on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559767 ?
  160. # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug 559767 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make <input type="color"> accessible
  161. # [15:58] <@davidb> oh is that implemented? the colour picker?
  162. # [15:59] <@surkov> SteveF: I think I need opinion from Jamie
  163. # [15:59] <SteveF> surkov: don't see exposure of color value, also wahts the default mechanism to provide an acc name?
  164. # [15:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.or g on bug 559767.
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  166. # [16:00] <@surkov> SteveF: yes but now sure which way is best
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  169. # [16:01] <SteveF> surkov: thanks just been checking it as aprt of update to html5accessibility
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  171. # [16:01] <@surkov> sure
  172. # [16:01] <SteveF> surkov:you are sure?
  173. # [16:01] <@surkov> SteveF: in what?
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  175. # [16:02] <SteveF> surkov: "SteveF: yes but now sure which way is best" did you mean to say NOT sure?
  176. # [16:02] <@surkov> SteveF: oh right
  177. # [16:02] <@surkov> not sure of course
  178. # [16:02] <@surkov> now -> not
  179. # [16:26] <SteveF> surkov: thinking about how to support the html5 mark element - http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/text-level-semantics.html#the-mark-element
  180. # [16:26] <SteveF> surkov: are there any IA2 text properties that would be appropriate?
  181. # [16:26] <@surkov> looking
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  185. # [16:30] <@surkov> SteveF: not sure if IA2 has suitable for that, perhaps new attr should be added
  186. # [16:30] <SteveF> surkov: maybe aria role?
  187. # [16:30] <@surkov> of course if we don't want to expose it as bunch of styles
  188. # [16:31] <SteveF> surkov:right
  189. # [16:31] <@surkov> SteveF: it rather looks like text interface
  190. # [16:31] <@surkov> after all it's just some marked text
  191. # [16:31] <@surkov> so no accessible is really required in terms of IA2
  192. # [16:31] <@surkov> or should be required
  193. # [16:31] <SteveF> right
  194. # [16:32] <SteveF> MarcoZ: the NVDA aria-label support you mentioned is that in a beta build?
  195. # [16:34] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Yes, in the current "Master" snapshot builds, beta quality, updated semi-daily.
  196. # [16:34] <@MarcoZ> Where "beta" means not entirely bleeding edge. Every feature landed here has been incubating on the "Next" snapshot for at least two weeks.
  197. # [16:35] <@MarcoZ> s/snapshot/branch/
  198. # [16:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 982125 filed by faulkner.steve@gmail.com.
  199. # [16:36] <SteveF> MarcoZ: cheers!
  200. # [16:37] <SteveF> surkov: created and added you to mark bug - wake me up when its done :-)
  201. # [16:37] <@surkov> SteveF: ok, thank you
  202. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> "Wake me up when September ends"... ;)
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  204. # [16:56] <@davidb> yzen, jwei, tbsaunde i can't join for lunch today
  205. # [16:56] <@yzen> ok
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  230. # [19:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: where would you put a list of the top level documents in other processes? the ApplicationAccessible? or DocManager?
  231. # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> should they be kids of the ApplicationAccessible or something else?
  232. # [19:57] <@davidb> how many docmanagers will there be in IPC world?
  233. # [19:58] <@davidb> presumably 1?
  234. # [19:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: 1 per process
  235. # [19:58] <@davidb> oh hmm
  236. # [19:58] <@davidb> how many app accessibles?
  237. # [19:59] <@tbsaunde> davidb: its a sub class of nsAccessibiliyService, and its far simpler to have the service run in each process
  238. # [19:59] <@tbsaunde> davidb: 1
  239. # [19:59] <@davidb> i see
  240. # [19:59] <@davidb> i'd guess it depends on what the list is for
  241. # [19:59] <@tbsaunde> at least that's how it should work, I'm not sure it does right now
  242. # [19:59] <@davidb> heh ok
  243. # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, presumably today those documents have a parent accessible, and I'd like that to stay the same when those docs move to another process
  244. # [20:01] <@davidb> when do they move?
  245. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde> well, I might leave an Application accessible in the child processes and just not tell anybody about it, but from outside of gecko's pov there'll only be one
  246. # [20:01] <@davidb> or you mean move as in when we turn IPC on
  247. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: when we turn ipc on
  248. # [20:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yes i'd start there... leaving one app per process
  249. # [20:02] <jwei> tbsaunde: Is there an easy way to notify ATK that its list of accessibles needs to be refreshed? Inserting/deleting rows in a XUL TreeGrid currently doesn't change ATK's representation.
  250. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I wasn't in a hurry to go worry about that
  251. # [20:03] <@tbsaunde> jwei: fire children-changed:add/remove or something like that
  252. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde> jwei: see atk/AccessibleWrap.cpp:1300
  253. # [20:04] <jwei> tbsaunde: Okay, cool. Thanks.
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  258. # [20:31] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 976082.
  259. # [20:31] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 976082 from --- to FIXED.
  260. # [20:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 976082 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  261. # [20:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 976082 from --- to mozilla30.
  262. # [20:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976082 nor, --, mozilla30, yzenevich, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Provide tests for touch adapter.
  263. # [20:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: app accessible holds root accessible right now, right? so it makes sense to continue it
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  273. # [21:34] <@firebot> jwei@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 743568 from nobody@mozilla.org to jwei@mozilla.com.
  274. # [21:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743568 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Thunderbird message list tree emitting incorrect focus signals after message deleted
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  282. # [22:38] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 982326 filed by kwierso@gmail.com.
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