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  104. # [14:37] <@davidb> heyo
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  108. # [14:45] <@davidb> guys how was the meeting?
  109. # [14:46] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde, yzen ^
  110. # [14:46] <@surkov> davidb: from part I had seen it was ok
  111. # [14:46] <@yzen> davidb was good, i guess marcoz's off to san diego right now.. :)
  112. # [14:46] <@davidb> yep
  113. # [14:46] <@davidb> anyone worried about goals?
  114. # [14:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: it was a meeting
  115. # [14:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: depends what exactly the goal is supposed to be
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  117. # [14:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: for you it is to have the description/plan in a wiki, and events working across process
  118. # [14:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I guess I just need to edit the wiki if very minimal events are ok
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  120. # [14:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the essence of those two goals is to make sure we have broken ground and to be able to get input from others, bent or billm mrbkap etc
  121. # [14:51] <@davidb> to have the plan
  122. # [14:51] <@davidb> Q2 and Q3 should be more execution
  123. # [14:52] <@davidb> i think not having all events working for Q1 is fine
  124. # [14:52] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
  125. # [14:52] <@davidb> thanks
  126. # [14:53] <@davidb> surkov: we should ask Marco to ask vendors if they have UIA plans
  127. # [14:53] <@davidb> i'll tweet that
  128. # [14:53] <@surkov> davidb: we do this and it seems pretty well :)
  129. # [14:54] <@surkov> since they are sort of default sr on windows
  130. # [14:54] <@surkov> we -> WE
  131. # [14:54] <@davidb> surkov: ohhhh haha
  132. # [14:54] <@davidb> window eyes
  133. # [14:54] <@davidb> I thought jaws was default
  134. # [14:54] <@davidb> jaws has many many times the market share
  135. # [14:54] <@surkov> really?
  136. # [14:54] <@davidb> depends what you mean by default
  137. # [14:55] <@surkov> I meant that MS wanted to ship WE with windows or things like that
  138. # [14:55] <@davidb> surkov: oh ok. i was thinking market share. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey5/#used
  139. # [14:56] <@davidb> actually this should leverage FS to pick up UIA
  140. # [14:56] <@surkov> and iirc WE previously said they support Metro and Windows 8, presumably it should be UIA
  141. # [14:56] <@davidb> prob
  142. # [14:56] <@davidb> probably
  143. # [14:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: when will linux take over? please.
  144. # [14:58] <@tbsaunde> heh, its not my fault people don't to use it
  145. # [14:58] <@tbsaunde> choose
  146. # [14:59] <@davidb> heh, yeah, you aren't the first person i'd blame
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  148. # [15:02] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 979298 from nobody@mozilla.org to marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  149. # [15:02] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(afowler@mozilla.c om) on bug 979298.
  150. # [15:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=979298 maj, --, ---, marco.zehe, NEW, Screen reader detection heuristics: Privacy review
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  172. # [15:55] <@tbsaunde> jwei: interested in another xul tree events related bug?
  173. # [15:56] <jwei> tbsaunde: Sure.
  174. # [15:57] <jwei> tbsaunde: Seems that the first one isn't fully finished yet, since the downloads list doesn't update. Though that one isn't a XUL tree, so it makes sense why the fix didn't help with that one.
  175. # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> jwei: bug 924915
  176. # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924915 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant lag with high cpu changing selection when arrowing over mail folders with many messages
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  180. # [16:49] <@tbsaunde> its early, but anyone want lunch?
  181. # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> davidb: surkov jwei ^
  182. # [16:52] <@davidb> surkov is wfh i think
  183. # [16:53] <@davidb> i could eat
  184. # [16:53] <jwei> tbsaunde: Sure.
  185. # [16:53] <@davidb> can i get one of you to bring me something?
  186. # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> ok I'll head that way since its toward the door anyway
  187. # [16:53] <@davidb> aw heck i'll join
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  189. # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: how much will you pay ;)
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  202. # [18:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so do you think you understand ipc stuff now or do you have more questions?
  203. # [18:22] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'll comment in few minutes I think
  204. # [18:23] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
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  217. # [19:22] <jwei> tbsaunde: Yeah, you were right - the names are cached on the pyatspi or orca side, so tossing it on the name accessor wouldn't work. I'm also not really sure if we'd want to fire a name change event every time a XUL list item changes anyway, since in the case of the download list, the values would change very rapidly.
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  222. # [19:32] <@tbsaunde> jwei: I tend to think if the value changes a lot then you should get a lot of notifications
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  225. # [19:33] <@tbsaunde> but how that interacts with perf is kind of awkward
  226. # [19:34] <jwei> tbsaunde: Yeah. I don't suppose we already have some kind of event rate limiter?
  227. # [19:36] <@tbsaunde> jwei: no
  228. # [19:37] <@tbsaunde> jwei: I'd say figure out some way that works then worry about if you send to many events
  229. # [19:37] <@tbsaunde> I'd bet you actually don't
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  244. # [20:56] <@davidb> jwei: do you have any ping pong balls here?
  245. # [20:56] <jwei> davidb: Nope.
  246. # [20:56] <@davidb> alrighty
  247. # [20:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what do you think of adding index of changed sub tree in parent to mutation event?
  248. # [20:57] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what for?
  249. # [20:58] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  250. # [20:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so I have copy of tree before any mutations and then I want to use events to keep it up to date with original tree
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  252. # [20:59] <@tbsaunde> if I have a show event I can't know just from target and target's parent where in target's parent target should be added
  253. # [20:59] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what tree copies do you have, what for?
  254. # [21:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: in this case copy is tree in main process which is sort of copy of tree in content process
  255. # [21:00] <@tbsaunde> but it seems like it might be useful to domi too?
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  257. # [21:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so the approach is to have two equal trees?
  258. # [21:01] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well equal in how they're arranged at least yes
  259. # [21:02] <@surkov> so one huge tree lives in main process containing all trees from content process and each content process has own tree
  260. # [21:02] <@surkov> if so then what's for?
  261. # [21:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what is what for?
  262. # [21:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why do we need to have two equal trees?
  263. # [21:02] <@surkov> equal means duping
  264. # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: one needs to be able to access dom /layout stuff and the other is for letting platform api access it
  265. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: duping the hyrarchy yes
  266. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but anyway it seems like knowing insertion / deletion index is useful for same sort of reason as knowing parent is useful
  267. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> and we already track the parent
  268. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> I *think* for now I can get away with assuming at time of show event shown accessible is last child
  269. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> based on how update tree / treewalker work
  270. # [21:07] <@surkov> tbsaunde: will you need to have boundaries cached?
  271. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> surkov: no, and what does that have to do with this?
  272. # [21:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: then why do you need to have cached hierarchy in main process? i.e. you are going to have some cached data and do not have some cached data, where line is?
  273. # [21:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: a guess of what I need to be fast + what is easy to cache
  274. # [21:12] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but if we ignore e10s do you agree that giving the insertion /deletion index makes sense for the same reason as giving parent which we already do
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  277. # [21:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ignoring e10s I don't see a good reason of doing that
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  279. # [21:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: why is giving the parent different?
  280. # [21:17] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  281. # [21:17] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I didn't catch question
  282. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: why does it make sense to track the parent of the target then?
  283. # [21:18] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous. org on bug 980521.
  284. # [21:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980521 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce content text tests
  285. # [21:18] <@surkov> tbsaunde: more context pls?
  286. # [21:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: mutation event tracks parent of event target
  287. # [21:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I don't recall, perhaps coalescion?
  288. # [21:21] <@surkov> it's correct in case of hide event
  289. # [21:24] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, and in case of index thing was deleted from you can't get that after its removed either
  290. # [21:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: index is not very helpful in case of multiple change
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  293. # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, on the other hand it doesn't really cost much either
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  295. # [21:31] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous. org) on bug 980521.
  296. # [21:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980521 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce content text tests
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  318. # [22:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 985126 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  319. # [22:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=985126 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Utter value changes
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