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  99. # [14:00] <@davidb> heyo
  100. # [14:06] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  101. # [14:06] <@davidb> hi hi
  102. # [14:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ready for part 2?
  103. # [14:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Give me a few minutes. The payroll vendor for the German employees messed up and somehow rolled back my marriage-induced changes.
  104. # [14:07] <@davidb> take your time
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  108. # [14:21] <@davidb> yzen: what is the main website for teckla switch access?
  109. # [14:21] <@davidb> tecla
  110. # [14:21] <@yzen> http://komodoopenlab.com/tecla/
  111. # [14:21] <@davidb> thanks
  112. # [14:21] <@yzen> np
  113. # [14:22] <@davidb> the ocad site is all broken links
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  115. # [14:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Ready when you are for part 2. :)
  116. # [14:31] <@MarcoZ> Oops he went AFK.
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  118. # [14:40] <@MarcoZ> Yikes, that's what you get for yanking out all the Metro stuff: A broken browser on Windows 8.1 desktop, too. And they're shooting blanks at what the cause might be.
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  120. # [14:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: sorry was doing a walking 1:1 with someone. now good?
  121. # [14:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yup! Firing up Skype.
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  124. # [15:11] <@davidb> jwei: sorry - wrapping up here
  125. # [15:12] <jwei> davidb: Okay, no worries.
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  128. # [15:19] <@davidb> jwei: step into my parlour :)
  129. # [15:20] <@davidb> (when you are ready)
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  133. # [15:39] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 973381 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
  134. # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973381 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Disable annoying navigation coming with Option key
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  146. # [16:23] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 983972 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
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  148. # [16:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983972 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, In ESR24 Nightly Ctrl+Scroll doesn't change font size
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  162. # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> Hi jimm!
  163. # [16:48] <jimm> oh hey
  164. # [16:48] <jimm> was just looking for you
  165. # [16:48] <jimm> I posted a couple questions to that bug
  166. # [16:49] <jimm> didn't notice you had ops, thought you signed off
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  169. # [16:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 987026 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  170. # [16:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=987026 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Crash when adopting a focused element [@ mozilla::a11y::FocusManager::ProcessDOMFocus]
  171. # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> jimm: No, I hadn't tried a reboot, and yes I install in the default location always.
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  173. # [17:07] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde, jwei, yzen lunch?
  174. # [17:07] <@surkov> sounds good
  175. # [17:08] <@davidb> i'm going to grab something small, so you guys decide what you want and i'll tag along
  176. # [17:08] <@davidb> at least part way
  177. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> jimm: No difference re the reboot, either after the uninstall or the new install. Always fails.
  178. # [17:10] <@jimm> huh
  179. # [17:10] <@jimm> MarcoZ: your root drive is 'C'?
  180. # [17:10] <@yzen> ill eat with you guys
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  183. # [17:13] <sheppy> Hey all, I'm doing some little cleanup work in the accessibility docs, and I see that on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/Gecko/Roles/ROLE_RADIO_MENU_ITEM it's ROLE_RADIO_MENU_ITEM is listed as being used by <th> in HTML.
  184. # [17:13] <sheppy> That doesn't sound right, but I don't want to change it without confirmation, since I'm no expert.
  185. # [17:13] <sheppy> Anyone able to confirm what that *should* be?
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  187. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> jimm: Yes, and the ProgramFiles (X86) folder is where it goes, of course with the Nightly sub folder, as standard on an X64 system.
  188. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> sheppy: That definitely sounds wrong. Radio menu item is achieved by an ARIA role of menuitemradio or something similar I think.
  189. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> th is a table header, so gets converted to either a columnheader or rowheader accessible.
  190. # [17:15] <sheppy> MarcoZ: yeah - so I'm not sure what that <th> should be, if anything, but that's definitely wrong. For now I will just remove that line from the page.
  191. # [17:16] <sheppy> I'm fixing (or at least removing) a lot of copy-paste errors in these role pages. :)
  192. # [17:17] <sheppy> There's also shortly going to be a sidebar to make it easier to browse through the roles and navigate among them.
  193. # [17:22] <@MarcoZ> sheppy: Thanks for doing this! I will try to make some time in the near future to go through these and possibly provide some example usages for each, and also a section on things to avoid maybe.
  194. # [17:22] <sheppy> MarcoZ: that'd be lovely!
  195. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> sheppy: How's the CKEditor work coming along? Haven't seen any activity on the meta bug you sent me.
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  197. # [17:23] <sheppy> MarcoZ: The contributor has forked MDN and is doing a ton of work on implementing an improved CKEditor experience.
  198. # [17:24] <sheppy> He's upgraded it to 4.0 on his fork, and rewritten all our custom plugins, and now is working on streamlining various functions.
  199. # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> sheppy: Whoohoo that sounds exciting! Hope he's actually using the latest 4, not the initial 4.0, since the later versions still had lots of bug fixes. :)
  200. # [17:25] <sheppy> Yeah, he's on the latest 4.
  201. # [17:25] <sheppy> He's actually a member of the CKEditor dev team :)
  202. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> Very nice!
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  205. # [17:39] <sheppy> MarcoZ: Is it just me, or should ROLE_ROW be labeled as used by <tr>?
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  207. # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> sheppy: Nope, that's correct.
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  209. # [17:49] <sheppy> OK, I'll add the <tr> reference to the page; it's not currently labeled as being used by that.
  210. # [17:51] <sheppy> Lots of these pages have little errors on them due to copy-paste mistakes.
  211. # [17:52] <sheppy> I'm fixing the ones that I'm able to catch, but they probably need a recheck by someone smarter than me on a11y stuff.
  212. # [17:52] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 981363 from FIXED to ---.
  213. # [17:52] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 981363 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  214. # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=981363 nor, --, mozilla31, eitan, REOP, Intermittent jsat/test_content_integration.html | undefined - got wow heading level 1 such app, expe
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  218. # [17:57] <@davidb> sheppy: i agree it looks odd cc MarcoZ
  219. # [17:58] <sheppy> Once I'm done with my pass, I'll ask for someone to go through and check them for accuracy, I think.
  220. # [17:58] <@davidb> good plan
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  235. # [18:37] <@eeejay> yzen, should i go ahead and check it in?
  236. # [18:37] <@yzen> eeejay :) it'd be great! i think it's all good
  237. # [18:37] <@eeejay> travis is green?
  238. # [18:37] * @eeejay checks
  239. # [18:38] <@eeejay> nope, not yet. i guess we should wait..
  240. # [18:40] <@yzen> eeejay ok, we can skype if you'd like'
  241. # [18:40] <@eeejay> yzen, now?
  242. # [18:40] * @yzen yep
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  247. # [19:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde: there is sort of a hanging question in your dev-accessibility thread
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  253. # [19:19] <@tbsaunde> davidb|afk: yeah, I've bin kind of afk seeing what the js people are up to
  254. # [19:22] <@eeejay> yzen, !
  255. # [19:22] <@yzen> eeejay \o/
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  260. # [19:52] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  261. # [19:52] <@davidb> tbsaunde: don't worry I'm not twerking
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  265. # [20:00] <@davidb> https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
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  271. # [20:37] <@eeejay> yzen, yo?
  272. # [20:37] <@yzen> eeejay hi
  273. # [20:37] <@eeejay> yzen, tested the touch patch on the device, and it works pretty nice
  274. # [20:37] <@yzen> :)
  275. # [20:37] <@yzen> nice
  276. # [20:37] <@yzen> any observations ?
  277. # [20:37] <@eeejay> yzen, eby feels a bit laggy, but i am not sure if it is a regression or not
  278. # [20:38] <@eeejay> swiping is definitely better.
  279. # [20:38] <@yzen> eeejay when exploring ?
  280. # [20:38] <@eeejay> yeah
  281. # [20:38] <@eeejay> not 100% sure though
  282. # [20:38] <@yzen> i think it might be tweakable with the throttle, i saw that too
  283. # [20:38] <@eeejay> i think it is more the ipc than the touch detection
  284. # [20:39] <@davidb> performance is super important
  285. # [20:39] <@yzen> eeejay interesting you think it might be because i m added a level of events?
  286. # [20:39] <@eeejay> davidb, perceived performance :)
  287. # [20:40] <@davidb> yes
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  289. # [20:40] <@eeejay> yzen, no. i think like you said, we need to be more efficient with moveToPoint calls
  290. # [20:40] <@yzen> eeejay oh ok
  291. # [20:41] <@eeejay> yzen, right now - if you do it with throttling too - we limit the calls per second
  292. # [20:41] <@eeejay> yzen, but we could change it to limit/increase calls depending on distance traveled
  293. # [20:41] <@eeejay> dunno
  294. # [20:42] <@yzen> eeejay sort of based on speed ?
  295. # [20:42] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  296. # [20:42] <@eeejay> yzen, something like that
  297. # [20:42] * @eeejay builds to test on desktop
  298. # [20:43] <@yzen> davidb what were you thinking about GAAD?
  299. # [20:44] <@davidb> i haven't yet
  300. # [20:55] <@eeejay> yzen, desktop works well too. i'll f+. you could flag me for review when you are ready
  301. # [20:55] <@yzen> eeejay ok
  302. # [20:55] <@eeejay> the bad news is the tab patch was reverted :(
  303. # [20:56] <@yzen> saw that :( ill take care of it , funny why it happened , yesterday's rebase was green
  304. # [20:59] <@eeejay> surkov, my reply to tbsaunde from yesterday didn't get through?
  305. # [21:00] <@surkov> eeejay: what reply? (I think I missed it)
  306. # [21:00] <@davidb> eeejay: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.accessibility/xtZvhQqJyqs/QqBx9NLs6W4J
  307. # [21:00] <@eeejay> weird..
  308. # [21:01] <@surkov> yeah, there's no reply
  309. # [21:01] <@eeejay> reposting it.
  310. # [21:01] <@eeejay> apparently i am a non-member? weird.
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  313. # [21:04] <@davidb> eeejay: it is a high bar
  314. # [21:04] <@eeejay> so i hear
  315. # [21:04] <@davidb> surkov: happy belated birthday!
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  317. # [21:05] <@surkov> thanks! :)
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  319. # [21:05] <jwei> surkov: What davidb said. :)
  320. # [21:05] <@surkov> thanks :)
  321. # [21:06] <@eeejay> ditto!
  322. # [21:06] <@eeejay> email is so weird
  323. # [21:06] <@surkov> thank you as well :)
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  352. # [23:15] <@yzen> eeejay ping
  353. # [23:15] <@eeejay> yzen, hey
  354. # [23:17] <@yzen> eeejay I fixed the tests by doing what all clock tests have (adding mocks for a11y helper) but the way it's done in clock tests is weird
  355. # [23:18] <@eeejay> yzen, not sure what you are talking about
  356. # [23:19] <@yzen> eeejay actually not, since they use require in that app. nvm :) But, what do you think i should do next ? wait for travis and mark for checkin if ok? or should i ask for re-review (mind you I only added mocks for one of the components)
  357. # [23:19] <@eeejay> yzen, maybe ask for re-review with the changes from the previous patch as a separate commit?
  358. # [23:20] <@eeejay> then mush them before yu merge
  359. # [23:20] <@yzen> ok
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