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- # [15:44] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:45] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1000295 from yzenevich@mozilla.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
- # [15:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000295 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Enable traversing to elements with role="status".
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- # [17:37] <@davidb> guys i have a lunch date already fwiw
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- # [17:40] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous. org on bug 1001628.
- # [17:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001628 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Improve some output and traversal rules relevant to applications.
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- # [19:15] <@eeejay> yzen_, yo?
- # [19:15] <yzen_> eeejay
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- # [19:18] <yzen> eeejay hi
- # [19:19] <@eeejay> yzen, i have a few thoughts.. :)
- # [19:19] <yzen> yep
- # [19:20] <@eeejay> yzen, about link/button verbosity: we should leave it alone.
- # [19:20] <@eeejay> yzen, i think we just need to admit we have a shortage of useful roles here
- # [19:20] <yzen> eeejay in the spec ?
- # [19:21] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
- # [19:21] <yzen> yeah..
- # [19:21] <@eeejay> yzen, i think we need new statusbar and statusbaritem roles
- # [19:21] <@eeejay> yzen, it looks like it is formalized in ios like that
- # [19:22] <yzen> eeejay i agree, it s going to be confusing with the status role
- # [19:24] <@eeejay> yzen, yup
- # [19:26] <@eeejay> yzen, and about homescreen items, i could either see leaving them as links, or maybe using the ROLE_DESKTOP_ICON/ROLE_DESKTOP_FRAME nsIAccessible roles
- # [19:26] <@eeejay> ie. first mapping them to a new aria style role
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> but that is just messy, so maybe not
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> davidb, surkov, who on our team would drive getting all these new roles standardized in a new ARIA draf?
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> t
- # [19:27] <yzen> i think it's good as is imo
- # [19:27] <@davidb> eeejay, possibly marcoz
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> yeah, me too
- # [19:27] <@davidb> he wants to try our participating in this way
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> yzen, as-is, you mean links?
- # [19:27] <yzen> yeah
- # [19:28] <@eeejay> davidb, great
- # [19:28] <@eeejay> yzen, great
- # [19:28] * @davidb nods
- # [19:28] <yzen> eeejay so the only reason we can't use status is because of the live region stuff ?
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- # [19:32] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. for one.
- # [19:32] <@eeejay> yzen, if anything, the entire bar should have a role of "status"
- # [19:32] <@eeejay> yzen, and then what the children are is another issue..
- # [19:33] <yzen> eeejay i m just thinking if we add a statusitem role with implicit aria-live="off" and use it as children?
- # [19:33] <@eeejay> yzen, it would be cool if you could turn off live regions for the statusbar, and keep the notification area polite
- # [19:33] <@eeejay> yzen, not a bad idea..
- # [19:34] <@eeejay> yzen, i wouldn't have an implicit aria-live status though
- # [19:34] <yzen> eeejay so would you want it to be a polite live region or a not-live-region at all?
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> yzen, the statusitem would have the same aria-live as its parent (in this case polite)
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> yzen, ie. no aria-live at all, i guess
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> yzen, and then for certain statusitems, you would turn of live regions completely (like in the clock case)
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> turn off
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> yzen, and in other cases, you would keep the implicit polite, like the notification drawer
- # [19:37] <@eeejay> yzen, although the markup for notifications might be separate anyway..
- # [19:37] <yzen> eeejay so basically statusitem is required to be used within the status role
- # [19:38] <@eeejay> yzen, same relationship as menu/menuitem or list/listitem
- # [19:38] <yzen> eeejay coo
- # [19:38] <yzen> l
- # [19:38] <@davidb> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#chobet
- # [19:40] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm going to r- the other two patches
- # [19:41] <@davidb> (why can't you just have aria-live="off" on the container with role="status"?)
- # [19:42] <yzen> eeejay so in other words, i will leave links, images and buttons alone; and ill add a new statusitem role?
- # [19:42] <@eeejay> yzen, i think.. one sec
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- # [19:42] <@eeejay> davidb, that is what we would do
- # [19:43] <@eeejay> i mean, that is also possible
- # [19:45] <@eeejay> yzen, we could either introduce a new role.. or have a list child to the status element, and have each item be a list item
- # [19:46] <@eeejay> yzen, don't mean to confuse.. just another idea
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- # [19:48] <yzen> eeejay so a list with a role status
- # [19:48] <yzen> ?
- # [19:48] <@eeejay> yzen, no. i think the status would have a single child
- # [19:48] <@eeejay> which would be a list
- # [19:49] <@eeejay> yzen, apparently, a "group" role could have listitems as well
- # [19:49] <@eeejay> "status" is a subrole of "region", so it cannot directly have list items
- # [19:49] <yzen> right
- # [19:49] <yzen> ok ill play around with it
- # [19:50] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous. org) on bug 1001628.
- # [19:50] <yzen> eeejay i just want to make sure that the traversal/output works as we want it to
- # [19:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001628 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Improve some output and traversal rules relevant to applications.
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- # [20:37] <yzen> eeejay ya those - type labels were added after talking to Marcoz
- # [20:37] <@eeejay> yzen, why?
- # [20:38] <yzen> i think that was prior our decision to include group labels
- # [20:40] <@eeejay> i see
- # [20:40] <yzen> ya ill remove all -app -contact stuff
- # [20:43] <@eeejay> yzen, if you still think there should be a distinction between installed and marketplace apps, you could remove the role=presentation from the sections, and give the explicit labels
- # [20:46] <yzen> eeejay ya, i think it's ok since there's no distinction for the visual user. the marketplace apps will have 'install' word in the link, it's the distinction between local and web apps that's not clear
- # [20:46] <@eeejay> yzen, so most of the aria-label, aria-describedby attributes could go away, no?
- # [20:47] <yzen> well those are specific to contacts and places
- # [20:47] <yzen> they are not present for apps in the bottom grid
- # [20:47] <@eeejay> oh, ok. i think i get it..
- # [20:48] <yzen> eeejay for places and contacts there's additional data like the uri and also the highlighted match between the search and the whole entry name
- # [20:48] <@eeejay> yzen, and what do apps get? just titles?
- # [20:48] <yzen> yes
- # [20:49] <@eeejay> yzen, ok. but aria-label in div.result is redundant, no?
- # [20:50] <yzen> eeejay in that case yes i think..
- # [20:51] <@eeejay> yzen, in any case. no?
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- # [20:51] <yzen> eeejay oh right i think i know what the confusion is about, so for places and contacts title will have markup string not the actual text
- # [20:52] <yzen> eeejay that's why im using label with the title text before it was turned into html string by a specific provider, one sec ill find an example:
- # [20:53] <yzen> eeejay so for example here https://github.com/yzen/gaia/blob/bug-997799/apps/search/js/providers/places.js#L224
- # [20:53] <@eeejay> yeah?
- # [20:54] <yzen> so in that case we can't just use title
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- # [21:01] <@eeejay> yzen, but our outputgenerator would concatenate all the children, and it should just do the right thing. i think
- # [21:02] <yzen> eeejay there were issues with spaces and such from what i remember
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- # [21:42] <yzen> eeejay fyi, i was testing that rocketbar form visibility on my device (inari) and i can't access the input field with the form being hedden :S
- # [21:42] <yzen> s/hedden/hidden
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- # [21:49] <eitan> yo
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- # [21:50] <@davidb> eitan, are you eeejay?
- # [21:50] <eitan> one and the same
- # [21:50] <eitan> in mac
- # [21:51] <@davidb> ok cool, eitan yzen you good for the meeting in 10?
- # [21:51] <eitan> getting ready
- # [21:51] * icaaq|afk is now known as icaaq
- # [21:51] <yzen> yes
- # [21:51] <eitan> making a slide!
- # [21:51] <@davidb> my kids like slides... and swings
- # [21:51] * icaaq is now known as icaaq|afk
- # [22:04] <@davidb> i'll be back
- # [22:13] <@davidb> eitan, are you going to drive this meeting from our side?
- # [22:13] <eitan> davidb: sure?
- # [22:14] <@davidb> yes.
- # [22:14] <@davidb> :)
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- # [22:21] <satdav> davidb, Hi do you know the moderator password for Accessibility list
- # [22:21] <@davidb> nope
- # [22:21] <@davidb> (also in a video meeting right now)
- # [22:21] <satdav> is it one I can join that meeting you are in
- # [22:26] <@davidb> no we're keeping this one very focussed
- # [22:29] <satdav> Oh
- # [22:46] <@davidb> eeejay, yzen, ok... 2.1 is more sane
- # [22:56] <@davidb> eeejay, yzen, this is a good offer for Ux collab.
- # [22:56] <eitan> davidb: glad you said that and not me..
- # [22:56] <@davidb> would be great to take it somehow
- # [22:56] <@davidb> eitan: 'go team'?
- # [22:57] <@davidb> oh 2.1
- # [22:57] <@davidb> 2.0 is worth a bigger raise :P
- # [22:57] <@davidb> kidding!
- # [22:57] <eitan> ok, rebooting!
- # [22:57] <eitan> raise!
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- # [22:57] * @davidb --> next meeting
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- # [22:59] <@davidb> i should have said frameworks team collab
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- # Session Close: Tue Apr 29 00:00:04 2014
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