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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 29 00:00:04 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:06] <ochristi> hello, a user of my firefox addon, uses a screen reader and told us, that notifications (the XUL element) we show are not reproduced correctly
  4. # [00:08] <ochristi> the buttons are fine but the "lable" of the notification is missing. Any hints which might help with that? Docs I found appear to be incomplete and possibly outdated, the element does have a "accessibleType" property, but I am not sure what that does
  5. # [00:09] <ochristi> *label
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  49. # [10:52] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 1003032 filed by nicolas.barbulesco@supinfo.com.
  50. # [10:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003032 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, After having clicked the button to unzoom in a PDF document, scrolling with the keyboard is partiall
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  55. # [11:48] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Component on bug 1003032 from Disability Access to PDF Viewer.
  56. # [11:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003032 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, After having clicked the button to unzoom in a PDF document, scrolling with the keyboard is partiall
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  76. # [14:19] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1000465 from --- to FIXED.
  77. # [14:19] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1000465 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  78. # [14:19] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1000465 from --- to mozilla32.
  79. # [14:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000465 nor, --, mozilla32, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, fix bunch of warning in accessibility
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  82. # [15:10] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Hi! Big day today, huh? :-)
  83. # [15:10] <Gijs> MarcoZ: yeah! I'm trying to ignore it by just working. It's not working (har, har)
  84. # [15:11] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: LOL!
  85. # [15:11] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: While we're on the subject, any new ideas about keyboard accessibility for the menu panel beast? :-)
  86. # [15:12] <@MarcoZ> Not that there's any pressure, screen reader users probably won't notice a thing as long as they have their regular menus still available, but I was wondering nevertheless...
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  89. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Good morning yzen! :-)
  90. # [15:19] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
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  94. # [15:28] <Gijs> MarcoZ: no ideas so far, but I hope to be able to get to it in the next few weeks...
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  97. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
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  99. # [15:31] <@davidb> heyo!
  100. # [15:31] <@davidb> MarcoZ, how was it?
  101. # [15:32] <ochristi> I asked earlier, does anyone have hints concerning screen reader compat. with notification in Firefox, got a user who does not get what is set as label?
  102. # [15:34] <@davidb> good question - I don't know the answer
  103. # [15:34] <@davidb> ochristi, push notifications
  104. # [15:34] <@davidb> ?
  105. # [15:35] <@davidb> (I think those are FFOS only right now)
  106. # [15:35] <@davidb> It depends what you mean by 'notification'.
  107. # [15:36] <ochristi> those notification, which are part of the notificationbox, usually with a short text (label) and some buttons with some callbacks
  108. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It was absolutely gorgeous! It turned out that accessibility knowledge was much lower among those web devs than I originally anticipated, so the talk spntaneously turned into a beginner crash course, but that was totally OK and a lot of fun to do.
  109. # [15:37] <ochristi> those are xul elements
  110. # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Ah, you mean the door hangers like the "Do you want to save your password" prompt?
  111. # [15:38] <ochristi> not those, they are displayed between the nav-bar and browser content
  112. # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Hm, we do get them spoken normally, at least in JAWS and NVDA they work fine, but we do have some keyboard and focus management bugs filed for these.
  113. # [15:39] <ochristi> I lack general understanding how that might work, if such a thing pops up, is the text immediately read out?
  114. # [15:40] <ochristi> the user told me he gets the text from the buttons, but not the actual message, only sometimes
  115. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Hm, if it's not the password prompts, then which ones *do* you mean? I only know those...
  116. # [15:40] <ochristi> I could send a mdn link if that helps?
  117. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Yes, in theory, they should be read out automatically.
  118. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Do you know what assistive technology the person having the problem is using?
  119. # [15:41] <ochristi> JAWS
  120. # [15:41] <ochristi> you mentioned focus bugs, that might be the case actually
  121. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Hmm very strange, I usually always hear those prompts, including the buttons, when they come up.
  122. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Yes there are some keyboard interaction problems with these which I'm hoping we'll have someone fix soon'ish.
  123. # [15:43] <ochristi> we have a popupset from our add-on, where the user does some changes, which might spawn such a notification
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  126. # [15:50] <ochristi> MarcoZ do you happen to know what an accessibility object or type might be? I see the notification element has such a property, like XULAlert etc. Will that change the behavior?
  127. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Yes, accessibility objects are created from HTML or XUL elements so screen readers like JAWS can access them.
  128. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> So a tree of these accessible objects is a subset of the XUL or HTML tree in the browser content or chrome respectively.
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  130. # [15:58] <ochristi> I think I have do some experimenting with that. Is there a way I can do it myself, e.g. know what and when things are translated to the user?
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  135. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> ochristi: Well, the most obvious way would be to learn the basics of a screen reader, for example NVDA from http://www.nvda-project.org, and see if you get the desired speech. It's not JAWS, but it's a very compatible screen reader with Firefox, and it's free and open-source.
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  169. # [19:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1001623 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  170. # [19:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001623 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, clean up error handling of index returning methods
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  179. # [20:09] <@yzen> eeejay question for you
  180. # [20:09] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah?
  181. # [20:10] <@yzen> so in terms of a11y gaia tests
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  183. # [20:10] <@yzen> we test interactions with gaia-ui tests
  184. # [20:10] <@yzen> what's the best way to test what actually might be spoken ?
  185. # [20:11] <@yzen> i m just trying once again to figure out if there's any value in testing attrs at all (with unit tests)...
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  187. # [20:12] <@eeejay> yzen, in our jsat tests, i guess
  188. # [20:12] <@yzen> right
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  191. # [20:16] <@davidb> yzen, eeejay, all clear for osbridge :)
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  193. # [20:16] <@eeejay> woot!
  194. # [20:16] <@yzen> sweet
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  202. # [20:58] <@yzen> so eeejay back to the statusbar conversation, if you have a moment, if i were to use listitems , would we want to include it into traversal without stepping into them ?
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  204. # [21:05] <eitan> yzen: correct
  205. # [21:06] <@yzen> eitan do we want to scope it anything ?
  206. # [21:06] <eitan> yzen: the patch i have in progress makes that possible
  207. # [21:06] <eitan> scope it?
  208. # [21:06] <@yzen> oh ok
  209. # [21:06] <@yzen> well i mean should it only do that in some context
  210. # [21:07] <eitan> yzen: i should get that patch out already.. i dropped it while working on perf
  211. # [21:07] <eitan> yzen: hope to have something for review by eod
  212. # [21:07] <@yzen> cool
  213. # [21:07] <@yzen> ok so i just use the roles as we discussed and then test with your patch
  214. # [21:07] <@yzen> eitan thanks
  215. # [21:07] <eitan> rebooting to a Free OS
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  224. # [21:33] <@yzen> eeejay do you know how to cancel jobs on travis ?
  225. # [21:34] <@eeejay> yzen, nope
  226. # [21:35] <Ryuno-Ki> Ctrl-C
  227. # [21:35] <Ryuno-Ki> =D
  228. # [21:35] * Ryuno-Ki is kidding
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  230. # [21:51] <@yzen> mmm pita
  231. # [21:54] <@davidb> why am i hungry?
  232. # [21:55] <@eeejay> :)
  233. # [21:56] <@yzen> i know why i am, davidb ;P
  234. # [21:56] <@davidb> heh'
  235. # [21:57] <@davidb> i might have to office snack it up... should i do the healthy stuff or the shelf of shame?
  236. # [21:59] <@yzen> i saw some pastry boxes ..
  237. # [22:00] <@davidb> call me fosco
  238. # [22:00] <tbsaunde> there was certainly some of pastry earlier ;)
  239. # [22:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde i bet that didn't last
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  241. # [22:04] <@yzen> from what i could tell the new batch is pretty fancy
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  246. # [22:14] <@davidb> they are setting up food heaters
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  251. # [22:48] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1001945 from nobody@mozilla.org to yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  252. # [22:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001945 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
  253. # [22:49] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1003439 filed by yash.girdhar@gmail.com.
  254. # [22:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003439 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Implement Text to Speech on Desktop Firefox
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  257. # [22:59] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1003452 filed by yash.girdhar@gmail.com.
  258. # [22:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003452 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Text to Speech API on Firefox for Mac
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  261. # [23:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1003457 filed by yash.girdhar@gmail.com.
  262. # [23:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003457 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Text to Speech API on Firefox for Windows
  263. # [23:07] <@eeejay> yash_, yo!
  264. # [23:07] <@eeejay> yash_, the bugs should be filed against DOM, not "Disability access APIs"
  265. # [23:08] <yash_> eeejay: oh..sorry for that. let me change that
  266. # [23:09] <@firebot> yash.girdhar@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1003457 from Disability Access APIs to DOM.
  267. # [23:09] <@firebot> yash.girdhar@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1003452 from Disability Access APIs to DOM.
  268. # [23:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003452 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Text to Speech API on Firefox for Mac
  269. # [23:10] <yash_> eeejay: should i add one for linux too ?
  270. # [23:10] <@eeejay> yash_, sure..
  271. # [23:10] <yash_> eeejay: okk
  272. # [23:12] <@firebot> yash.girdhar@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1003439 from Disability Access APIs to DOM.
  273. # [23:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003439 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Implement Text to Speech on Desktop Firefox
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  277. # [23:25] <@eeejay> yash_, could you please join #content?
  278. # [23:25] <yash_> eeejay: sure
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  292. # [23:58] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1003491 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  293. # [23:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003491 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Change traversal rule to land on the parent of simple subtrees
  294. # Session Close: Wed Apr 30 00:00:00 2014

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