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- # [01:13] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1006185 filed by aforsstrom@mozilla.com.
- # [01:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1006185 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Jaws Screen reader for Windows not able to read about text
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- # [02:55] <@firebot> yfdyh000@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 962073 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
- # [02:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962073 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Cannot focus download window, with keyboard only, if focus was lost since its creation
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- # [10:43] <@MarcoZ> Morning!
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- # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> Morning yzen! :-)
- # [15:28] <@yzen> MarcoZ heya
- # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> yzen: All good with those Gaia patches, or do you need help with any of those getting your changes through? :-)
- # [15:30] <@yzen> MarcoZ looks like Alive and I got to a common ground on the visibility for rocketbar so I should have them finished today
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- # [15:31] <@davidb> heyo!
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- # [15:53] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i think i know why those intermittents happen
- # [15:54] <@yzen> MarcoZ the default setting for gesture timers are sometimes smaller than SimpleTest.executeSoon interval//
- # [15:54] <@yzen> i think it is safe to increase them for the test like 10 fold
- # [15:55] <@yzen> since when I actually test the timers i set them to 0 to avoid using setTimeout
- # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Sounds good to me!
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- # [17:22] <xzwang> hi I'm still trying to reproduce Bug 864678, my plan is to use "test_takeFocus.html" and call its takeFocusInvoker() to invoke takeFocus() on the nodes
- # [17:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864678 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, do we need to fire focus events when moving between options in a select?
- # [17:22] <xzwang> but seems I cannot just type the function in the console
- # [17:23] <xzwang> is it possible to do it at all? I'm not good with javascript, but the syntax looks straight forward
- # [17:30] <xzwang> I've also tried things like: lb_item1.takeFocus()
- # [17:30] <xzwang> and I got: TypeError: lb_item1.takeFocus is not a function
- # [17:31] <tbsaunde> surkov: ^
- # [17:33] <@surkov> xzwang: it’d be good to see your patch
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- # [17:46] <xzwang> I'd love to start fixing the bug, but I still have trouble to actually see this bug
- # [17:52] <xzwang> do I need any plugin to enable accessibility test? I saw it in the test_takeFocus.html waitForPlugin()
- # [17:53] <xzwang> and I always get error: " invalid 'instanceof' operand nsIAccessible " when I call getAccessible() on any node
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- # [18:09] <tbsaunde> lunch?
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- # [18:40] <yzen> eeejay ping
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- # [19:26] <davidb> clown, can you remind me where i can find my w3c homework? i don't see it here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014May/0000.html
- # [19:26] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
- # [19:27] <davidb> oh https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
- # [19:28] <yzen> eeejay i was asked about the bug 1005719 , does it mean that the l10n is somehow different for gaia and gecko ?
- # [19:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1005719 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [B2G][1.4][Settings] The string "Screen reader started" appears in English on all languages
- # [19:29] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. it is separate
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- # [19:30] <@eeejay> yzen_, it is a gecko string
- # [19:30] <@eeejay> did we not localize it? oops
- # [19:31] <yzen_> eeejay well it is in the properties file
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- # [19:31] <@eeejay> yzen_, yeah.. i think there is a translation dashboard where you could see if it has been translated yet.
- # [19:38] <yzen> eeejay looks like it is for french for example transvision.mozfr.org/string/?entity=dom/chrome/accessibility/AccessFu.properties:screenReaderStarted&repo=aurora
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- # [19:49] <tbsaunde> surkov: ping
- # [19:49] <@surkov> tbsaunde: pong
- # [19:50] <tbsaunde> surkov: is there any reason to want fast access to the list of child docs other than for firing load events?
- # [19:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I don’t recall any specifics
- # [19:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why do you look at it?
- # [19:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: just figuring out if i need to explicitly track kid docs for ipc stuff
- # [19:53] <@surkov> I see
- # [19:53] <tbsaunde> it looks like we iterate over the child docs for GetAccessibleByUniqueIDInSubtree() for windows stuff
- # [19:54] <@surkov> we do
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- # [19:57] <@eeejay> heh
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- # [20:02] <clown> davidb, just got back and saw your message.
- # [20:02] <clown> davidb, you are all set?
- # [20:02] <@davidb> yes thanks
- # [20:02] <clown> davidb: \o/
- # [20:02] <clown> see in you about an hour.
- # [20:02] <@davidb> :)
- # [20:03] <@davidb> yep
- # [20:27] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, current ideas on dealing with this windows stuff include (1) kill it (2) have parent docs hash tables containing accessibles contain entries for child docs (3) have parent docs know which child accessibles are docs and keep a list of them (4) think of something else
- # [20:28] <tbsaunde> 3 is just more of what we already do so safe, but it requires a bunch of extra complexity
- # [20:29] <@surkov> I don’t get (1) at all. If we can get rid a problem wihtout any consequent problems then it’s what we should do
- # [20:30] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, but I have no idea if anybody relies on being able to get accessible in sub doc from parent
- # [20:31] <@surkov> do you mean GetAccessibleByUniqueIDInSubtree?
- # [20:33] <tbsaunde> surkov: yes
- # [20:33] <@surkov> it’s in use I believe
- # [20:33] <@surkov> so (2) sounds like what we currently have (array is replaced to hash)?
- # [20:35] <tbsaunde> surkov: you mean there are windows people who rely on the sub doc part? or just htat that function is called sometimes?
- # [20:35] <@surkov> yeah, AT
- # [20:36] <tbsaunde> surkov: no, 2 is that the parent doc accessible cache is a union of the accessibles in that doc and its sub docs
- # [20:36] <tbsaunde> whyyyy what for?
- # [20:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: about (1) AT has a root document and need to get any objects from underlying tree by unique ID
- # [20:38] <tbsaunde> surkov: that's not really an answer ;)
- # [20:38] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it is, all events are fired against root document because it has HWND only, that’s why they have root accessilbe only
- # [20:39] <@surkov> so they have root doc, have uniqueID from event and they need to get event target
- # [20:40] <tbsaunde> oh ffs
- # [20:40] <tbsaunde> surkov: now its answer ;)
- # [20:40] <@surkov> it’s just more detailed answer :)
- # [20:40] <@surkov> about (3) currently docs are not child accessible so not sure how it’s possible at all
- # [20:42] <@davidb> "An example of when this value is useful is if the AT wants to build a cache. The AT could cache the uniqueIDs in addition to other data being cached. When an event is fired the AT could map the uniqueID to its internal model. Thus, if there's a REORDER/SHOW/HIDE event the AT knows which part of the internal structure has been invalidated and can refetch just that part."
- # [20:43] <@davidb> http://is.gd/fgx5V3
- # [20:43] <tbsaunde> surkov: but without detail its kind of useless answer ;) like saying I'm hammering this nail with a screw driver because I don't have a hammer
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- # [20:43] <tbsaunde> surkov: doc is grand child of another doc through Outerdoc though
- # [20:44] <@surkov> ok, from this point of view
- # [20:45] <@surkov> what’s difference between 2 and 3?
- # [20:45] <@surkov> and difference from what we have
- # [20:45] <tbsaunde> surkov: 3 is same setup we have now
- # [20:46] <tbsaunde> 2 is different in that docs now about accessibles in child docs
- # [20:46] <@surkov> ok except I’ve never thought about child documents as children of parent documents :) but that’s rather terminology
- # [20:46] <@surkov> so current approach is just an implemnetation of (3)?
- # [20:47] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah
- # [20:48] <tbsaunde> surkov: I always thought about it with docs child of other docs, and then subgraph of just docs
- # [20:48] <@surkov> I see
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- # [21:57] <yzen> eeejay regarding bug 1001945, do you want me to do anything else or should i just r? again ?
- # [21:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001945 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
- # [21:58] <@eeejay> yzen, was it your error?
- # [21:58] <yzen> eeejay i mentioned in the reply comment, they are in dom_helper.js (those vars)
- # [22:00] <@eeejay> oooh
- # [22:01] <@eeejay> i hate js so much
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- # [22:01] <@eeejay> that implicit global scope is wild..
- # [22:02] <yzen> ya.. what i can also make is change the settings before dom_helper is loaded in the actual test file
- # [22:02] <yzen> if that makes it less confusing
- # [22:03] <@eeejay> yzen, could we have all these original* variables at least defined in the same place?
- # [22:04] <yzen> eeejay ok, jsatcommon ?
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- # [22:11] <@eeejay> yzen, sure, or dom_helper?
- # [22:11] <yzen> ok
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