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- # Session Start: Wed May 07 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [15:11] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [15:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) on bug 1005271.
- # [15:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1005271 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Data Table with display:block exposes no table semantics
- # [15:41] <@davidb> MarcoZ, let me know when you get your reference phone
- # [15:42] <@davidb> please
- # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Will do!
- # [15:56] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from james.nurthen@ora cle.com on bug 1005271.
- # [15:56] * slee fingers in ears singing"la la la, not listening to you talking about flame"
- # [15:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1005271 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Data Table with display:block exposes no table semantics
- # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! Regarding bug 1005271, why does the layout engine not consider a table with display: block; to be a table? Is this a valid assumption?
- # [15:58] <@davidb> slee, :) are you considering FFOS tablet as a base for your simplified UI project (senior users stuff)?
- # [15:59] * @davidb picks a banana
- # [16:00] <slee> davidb: leave your banana alone!
- # [16:00] <slee> davidb: yes that was the original idea. It HAS to be open web implemented and FirefoxOS just needs a manifest.
- # [16:01] <slee> the original maavis project was XUL and XBL so will port to HTML + web components on FirefoxOS
- # [16:01] <slee> that's the theory anyway :)
- # [16:02] <slee> davidb: there is one guy working through the tablet shipping so I will have a long wait
- # [16:03] <slee> my hope is also to help fix bugs along the way
- # [16:03] <@firebot> jchaulk@mozilla.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 962073.
- # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962073 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Cannot focus download window, with keyboard only, if focus was lost since its creation
- # [16:05] <@davidb> slee, oh you don't have it yet
- # [16:05] <@davidb> web components isn't ready AFAIK
- # [16:06] <@davidb> slee, i'm curious if the new FFOS UI work dovetails... maybe it is simple enough?
- # [16:06] <@davidb> (Haida)
- # [16:06] <slee> davidb: no :( Sammy is doing USA 1st then alphaetically so will eb way down the list
- # [16:06] <@davidb> eb?
- # [16:06] <slee> webcomponents is still evolving so lots of churn but platform.js polyfils
- # [16:07] <@davidb> oh you can use the polyfils then?
- # [16:07] <@davidb> cool
- # [16:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Also don't have my tablet yet. Am waiting patiently.
- # [16:07] <slee> it seems so. Then X-tags + Brick or polymer build on top with extra layers
- # [16:08] <@davidb> MarcoZ, do you have an ETA?
- # [16:08] <slee> MarcoZ: could be a long wait :(
- # [16:08] <@davidb> i thought the world had solved shipping
- # [16:08] <slee> sammy said hopes to complete shiping by end of month
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No.
- # [16:08] <slee> 1 gut not enough IMHO
- # [16:08] <slee> some of the European hackers are really keen
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> Perhaps Sammy puts both devices in one package. If he's smart and wants to cut down on shipping costs. :-)
- # [16:09] <slee> *guy
- # [16:09] <@davidb> i guess sammy has to prioritize flame shipping
- # [16:09] <slee> bad Sammy!
- # [16:09] <@davidb> slee, right, and when it rains it pours
- # [16:09] <slee> didn't realise he was doing both - must be pretty sweaty in shipping room
- # [16:10] <@davidb> his tongue is covered in stamp glue
- # [16:10] <slee> davidb: what did you mean "i'm curious if the new FFOS UI work dovetails... maybe it is simple enough?"
- # [16:10] <@davidb> slee, well i'm thinking in design principles
- # [16:10] <slee> dovetails with what exactly?
- # [16:10] <slee> go on...
- # [16:10] <@davidb> if it gels with your design
- # [16:11] <@davidb> i need to find a video of your UI and Haida UI
- # [16:11] <slee> Haida?
- # [16:11] <@davidb> oh https://wiki.mozilla.org/FirefoxOS/Haida will have a replaceable homescreen :)
- # [16:12] <@davidb> anyways, probably worth you checking it out
- # [16:13] <slee> OK thanks. Maavis UI is framework and expects to be restyled http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F1ATPYSv02Y
- # [16:14] <slee> David: Haida looks to be what I wanted to find - so far only found visual style guidelines for FFxOS, no navigation, guestures etc.
- # [16:15] <slee> I know is open, but if every app is different in all respects that is painful for users.
- # [16:15] <@davidb> of course
- # [16:15] <slee> Microsoft's WinJS is quite tightly specified in comparison, ditto iOS and Android
- # [16:15] <@davidb> HTH
- # [16:15] <slee> thanks!
- # [16:16] <@davidb> i trust our Ux to be asking for the right things from frameworks
- # [16:16] <@davidb> np
- # [16:16] <@davidb> (frameworks/guidelines)
- # [16:24] <@firebot> james.nurthen@oracle.com cancelled needinfo?(james.nurthen@ora cle.com) on bug 1005271.
- # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1005271 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Data Table with display:block exposes no table semantics
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- # [17:22] <@davidb> MarcoZ, ping
- # [17:22] <@davidb> MarcoZ, do you have bandwidth to update/pressure/drive https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/issues/1803 ?
- # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Looking...
- # [17:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ, there was a noob question there about "What are screen readers capable of in terms of web technology?"
- # [17:33] <Gijs> To be fair, that issue is /very/ generically phrased.
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- # [17:41] <@davidb> Gijs yes
- # [17:41] <@davidb> MarcoZ Gijs makes a good pt ^
- # [17:42] <@davidb> it needs help making actionable requests
- # [17:53] <@davidb> FOOD
- # [17:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde, hungry yet?
- # [17:54] <tbsaunde> davidb: sure
- # [17:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde, ok let's find something
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- # [18:05] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Commented on the issue. Yeah this looks like a very generic issue, and the work *must* be split into smaller chunks and separate issues. But this can serve as a good starting point.
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- # [19:02] <@eeejay> yzen, hey. i have one last thing to say about the patch in bug 1001945
- # [19:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001945 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, NEW, Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
- # [19:03] <@yzen> eeejay ya?
- # [19:05] <@eeejay> yzen, can't we change and reverrt back the max times in AccessFuTest runTests/finish?
- # [19:11] <@yzen> eeejay finish yes , wondering about changing them in runTests
- # [19:12] <@eeejay> yzen, ok. just a suggestion. anything that will make the spam stop is fine :)
- # [19:12] <@eeejay> yzen, if you are happy with the patch as-is, i could r+ it
- # [19:13] <@yzen> eeejay ill see if i can it a little better, ill report or ping you about it
- # [19:13] <@eeejay> ok
- # [19:13] <@yzen> s/can/can make
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- # [19:36] <@yzen> eeejay any time if you like
- # [19:42] <@eeejay> yzen, summit or patch?
- # [19:42] <@yzen> summit
- # [19:43] <@eeejay> yzen, cool, on the hour? 17 minutes?
- # [19:43] <@yzen> yep
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