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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 09 00:00:01 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [01:04] <@firebot> james.nurthen@oracle.com changed the Component on bug 1007975 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  7. # [01:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, div with display:table exposes table semantics
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  17. # [03:24] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 650585 from ehsan@mozilla.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  18. # [03:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650585 nor, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, [needs feedback surkov] Remove flaky timeouts from the accessibility tests
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  32. # [06:24] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1001945 from --- to FIXED.
  33. # [06:24] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1001945 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  34. # [06:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001945 nor, --, ---, yzenevich, RESO FIXED, Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
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  50. # [11:57] <@firebot> mdeboer@mozilla.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 1004320.
  51. # [11:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1004320 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Default Theme under Gnome3 high contrast mode is showing as a rectangle on curved tabs
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  59. # [13:07] <SteveF> hey MarcoZ:
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  62. # [13:09] <@MarcoZ> Hi SteveF!
  63. # [13:10] <SteveF> MarcoZ: hopefully get some usefuldiscussion going on the heading issue
  64. # [13:10] <SteveF> useful discussion
  65. # [13:10] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Would be fantastic!
  66. # [13:11] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: And I agree with your tweets from yesterday that having a working implementation to demonstrate this is hugely helpful. Reminds me of how WAI-ARIA first got started: Implement a working concept in Firefox and take the spec from there, at least part way.
  67. # [13:11] <@MarcoZ> Only that this time, it's a web component.
  68. # [13:12] <SteveF> MarcoZ: yes, i think it will be a useful pattern going forward
  69. # [13:13] * @MarcoZ nods in agreement.
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  74. # [13:46] <@MarcoZ> OK, took a bit longer, but in the meantime I flashed a Firefox OS phone. ;-)
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  86. # [15:07] <@davidb> heyo
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  88. # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  89. # [15:24] <@davidb> hi hi
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  92. # [15:41] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
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  94. # [15:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox-esr to unaffected on bug 1001945.
  95. # [15:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox30 to unaffected on bug 1001945.
  96. # [15:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox31 to affected on bug 1001945.
  97. # [15:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox32 to fixed on bug 1001945.
  98. # [15:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1001945 from --- to mozilla32.
  99. # [15:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001945 nor, --, mozilla32, yzenevich, RESO FIXED, Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
  100. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> Hi yzen!
  101. # [16:02] <@yzen> MarcoZ rocket bar is now accessible in master
  102. # [16:02] <@yzen> just wanted to share the news :)
  103. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yay! Is this in today's Nightly build already, or is it going to be tomorrow's?
  104. # [16:02] <@davidb> elton john should write a song
  105. # [16:03] <@yzen> probably tomorrow, it was merged some time in my sleep
  106. # [16:03] <@davidb> "And I think it's gonna be a long long time..."
  107. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Look forward to trying it!
  108. # [16:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heh, I approve! ;-)
  109. # [16:06] <@davidb> heheh
  110. # [16:10] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Component on bug 1007975 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  111. # [16:10] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Product on bug 1007975 from Firefox to Core.
  112. # [16:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, div with display:table exposes table semantics
  113. # [16:11] <@MarcoZ> Sighs...Pure HTML versus computed layout.
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  115. # [16:13] <@davidb> don't let tbsaunde see this, he'll start manoeuvring his satellite
  116. # [16:16] <tbsaunde> heh
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  118. # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm asking myself what all this is about...We've done it this way for years, basing our a11y tree on the layout framing rather than "pure HTML without taking CSS into account". Why this backlash now?
  119. # [16:32] <@davidb> specification machinery slowing tackling it?
  120. # [16:32] <@davidb> what is the right behaviour?
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  124. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Well, according to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/display, it says "table behaves like the html:table element".
  125. # [16:36] <@davidb> what is the counterargument?
  126. # [16:36] <@davidb> i guess i can read
  127. # [16:37] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Would you care to look at bug 1007975 or bug 1005271 and comment on our approach to take CSS into account when constructing the accessibility tree?
  128. # [16:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, div with display:table exposes table semantics
  129. # [16:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1005271 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Data Table with display:block exposes no table semantics
  130. # [16:37] <SteveF> MarcoZ: will do
  131. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Thanks!
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  135. # [17:23] <tbsaunde> MarcoZ: because people are craycray
  136. # [17:24] * tbsaunde seriously suspects "fixing" the first of those bugs wouldn't be web compatable
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  141. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> Yikes, that was a complete Windows freeze. O_O
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  145. # [17:51] <@davidb> voraciousness
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  147. # [17:57] <tbsaunde> davidb: you still interested in a MEC trip?
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  150. # [17:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde, yes, let's chat after lunch
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  175. # [22:33] <@yzen> eeejay hey
  176. # [22:33] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
  177. # [22:34] <@yzen> eeejay i was in the middle of adding wheel event handlers to statusbar and utility trays and i realized that we would really need to instructional messages because the use will have no idea what to do
  178. # [22:35] <@eeejay> yzen, true
  179. # [22:35] <@eeejay> descriptions, perhaps
  180. # [22:36] <@yzen> eeejay i was thinking that too, perhaps a wrapper method around addeventlistener that does it automatically and is a member of AccessibilityHelper
  181. # [22:36] <@yzen> ?
  182. # [22:36] <@yzen> not sure if that's helpful
  183. # [22:37] <@eeejay> yzen, i would leave that to a second round of improvements.
  184. # [22:37] <@yzen> eeejay so you think just adding the ability for now ?
  185. # [22:37] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
  186. # [22:39] <@yzen> eeejay i m just worried that down the road people might be skeptical about multi app changes.. (like with tabs)
  187. # [22:39] <@yzen> but you are right
  188. # [22:40] <@eeejay> yzen, they will be skeptical now too, and it will just delay the feature :)
  189. # [22:40] <@yzen> heh true
  190. # [22:40] <@eeejay> yzen, i think we have deeper bugs to get to first
  191. # [22:40] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm very concerned about the l10n one
  192. # [22:40] <@eeejay> afraid that our accessfu strings are not localized
  193. # [22:41] <@yzen> hmm they are not included correctly :(?
  194. # [22:42] <@yzen> maybe it makes sense to see if any other gecko l10n gets packaged correctly
  195. # [22:43] <@yzen> eeejay also i m kinda digging a deeper whole with the utility tray ... widgets that show up there are parts of other not p1 apps like cost control etc
  196. # [22:43] <@eeejay> yzen, i am worried that gecko is simply unlocalized because it is chromeless
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