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  1. # Session Start: Tue May 13 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:29] <eeejay> surkov, ping
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  19. # [02:01] <@surkov> eeejay: pong
  20. # [02:01] <eeejay> surkov, hey. i just wanted your feedback on bug 1009143
  21. # [02:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1009143 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add option to match containers in pivot API
  22. # [02:01] <eeejay> before i write a patch - although it is not a high priority right now
  23. # [02:02] <@surkov> eeejay: I didn’t read it yet but wanted
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  57. # [12:32] <@firebot> francis.uy@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 973381 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  58. # [12:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=973381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Disable annoying navigation coming with Option key
  59. # [12:39] <@firebot> francis.uy@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(francis.uy@gmail. com) on bug 501057.
  60. # [12:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=501057 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Three finger swipe (left) causes Firefox to hide
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  79. # [15:07] <@davidb> heyo
  80. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb! I got a flame!
  81. # [15:21] <@davidb> woot woot!
  82. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Indeed a nice phone.
  83. # [15:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ, i discovered that OSX removes the mounted Volume I created following Yura's blog post, when reboot.
  84. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh, I just flashed with the QA tool that pulls the latest nightly, haven't built for myself yet, and I used my Ubuntu VM. Yeah it disconnects and reconnects the device when it is rebooted.
  85. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> But that flashing tool used adb, didn't mount any volumes.
  86. # [15:33] <@davidb> I'm talking about "* The host path of the shared folder is missing: /Volumes/firefoxos/B2G"
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  88. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> Ouch!
  89. # [15:33] <@davidb> yeah that housed all the things
  90. # [15:33] <@davidb> i read a related thread on apple forums this morning
  91. # [15:34] <@davidb> need to work around it somehow
  92. # [15:34] <@davidb> probably just stay away from /Volumes
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  96. # [15:34] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Unfortunately, due to bug 1008502, I cannot do much with any current build. Hope yzen and eeejay soon have this resolved.
  97. # [15:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1008502 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Regression: Items in list are inoperable
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  100. # [15:50] <ACSpike> Hello, I just discovered caret browsing. It seems like it could be an accessibility feature, except that I can't figure out how to get it to navigate through all of the elements on the page in a logical order seems like it is skipping nested divs. Is there a manual out there that explains how to interact with caret browsing?
  101. # [15:52] <@davidb> ACSpike indeed it does relate to a11y. I'm not fresh on current caret bugs though... surkov? ^
  102. # [15:52] <@davidb> MarcoZ, yeah.
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  105. # [15:56] <maxli> Hi davidb!
  106. # [15:56] <@davidb> heyo!
  107. # [15:59] <ACSpike> Is there any trick for descending into an iframe using normal keyboard navigation?
  108. # [16:05] <@surkov> ACSpike: tab or access keys, iframe is just part of document so no special processing
  109. # [16:06] <ACSpike> surkov, I must be doing something wrong then. It's being skipped in the tab order (there's no tabindex specified)
  110. # [16:07] <ACSpike> surkov: any ideas about my previous question regarding caret navigation skipping around objects on the page?
  111. # [16:09] <ACSpike> I suppose skipping the iframe means that firefox doesn't see any links or form elements inside the frame. (its a vimeo embed iframe). That's why I was hoping to try caret navigation, but I can't figure out how to make the caret move where I want.
  112. # [16:18] <@surkov> ACSpike: are you running under F7 mode?
  113. # [16:19] <ACSpike> surkov: both with and without it. I'm just trying to test my site for keyboard navigation in firefox.
  114. # [16:19] <@surkov> ACSpike: you may run into the bug, perhaps makes sense file a bug and attach a test case?
  115. # [16:20] <ACSpike> surkov: so that means, "there is no manual" ? :-)
  116. # [16:21] <@surkov> well, regarding iframe I think no because I believe it doesn’t have any special processing
  117. # [16:22] <ACSpike> Oh, I just found out there are different modes for tab navigation too.
  118. # [16:22] <ACSpike> See there are missing bits of manual scattered around
  119. # [16:23] <@davidb> tbsaunde you around?
  120. # [16:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: just about to head in
  121. # [16:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde, cool
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  123. # [16:55] <SteveF> MarcoZ: re display:table bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 am looking at data on when its used wild to see if it is used for data tables or for layout I am guessing primarily layout but will confirm
  124. # [16:55] <@firebot> Bug 1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, div with display:table exposes table semantics
  125. # [16:59] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, just got in
  126. # [17:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde, cool, got some time to chat?
  127. # [17:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: its your time to do with as you wish
  128. # [17:02] <@davidb> seems appropriate, omw
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  136. # [17:31] <SteveF> MarcoZ; responded on bug: "I took a quick look at some pages from http://www.webdevdata.org searching for display:table. From a limited search I could find no examples of use of display:table for styling tabular data. Admittedly I only looked at about a dozen pages."
  137. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Thanks! Well, in any case, it would be a layout engine bug if at all, since that tells us we're dealing with a table.
  138. # [17:33] <SteveF> OK
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  140. # [17:37] <SteveF> MarcoZ; suggest there is potential there for a lot of spurious tables...
  141. # [17:39] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Question is what we should do with this. Especially surkov should also see this.
  142. # [17:44] <SteveF> MarcoZ; suggest if layoutGuess=true and tag not = table then should not be role=table
  143. # [17:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1007975 from --- to WONTFIX.
  144. # [17:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1007975 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  145. # [17:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, div with display:table exposes table semantics
  146. # [18:22] <@firebot> felash@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1007975 from WONTFIX to ---.
  147. # [18:22] <@firebot> felash@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1007975 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  148. # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, div with display:table exposes table semantics
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  182. # [20:35] <@davidb> woot my EFF baseball hat shipped
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  184. # [20:43] <icaaq> hi, have you read http://alistapart.com/article/accessibility-the-missing-ingredient ping SteveF
  185. # [20:43] <SteveF> yes
  186. # [20:43] <@davidb> lol
  187. # [20:43] <@davidb> not yet
  188. # [20:43] <@davidb> oh i thought SteveF wrote it
  189. # [20:43] <SteveF> nope was an IBM bod
  190. # [20:44] <@davidb> hmmm "To test our cart on a screen reader, we’re going to use ChromeVox"
  191. # [20:44] * icaaq shivers when he sees <body role="application">
  192. # [20:45] <@davidb> OMG tl;dr
  193. # [20:45] * @davidb files it
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  196. # [21:12] <SteveF> yes the <body role=application> is scary
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  203. # [21:52] <davidb> tbsaunde, you are now syndicated on planet
  204. # [21:52] <davidb> just saying.
  205. # [21:52] * davidb perspires
  206. # [21:54] <tbsaunde> davidb: I saw
  207. # [21:54] <davidb> ack
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  209. # [21:55] <tbsaunde> I should really finish up configuring a mail server so I can talk about how crazy it is
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  211. # [21:58] <davidb> heh
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  213. # [22:02] <davidb> ok laters
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