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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 23 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  8. # [01:19] <@firebot> myk@mozilla.org cancelled needinfo?(myk@mozilla.org) on bug 938303.
  9. # [01:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938303 nor, --, ---, myk, ASSI, Can't disable cmd-q in Firefox on Mac OS X
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  14. # [02:20] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org cancelled needinfo?(jamie@nvaccess.or g) on bug 1014673.
  15. # [02:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Frequent loss of focus when navigating around web pages with NVDA
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  61. # [12:41] <@firebot> peter.retzer@gmail.com requested firefox-backlog from the wind on bug 492557.
  62. # [12:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, hobinjk, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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  64. # [12:45] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 492557.
  65. # [12:45] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from hobinjk@gmail.com on bug 492557.
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  84. # [14:56] <@MarcoZ> OK, first build takes a while.
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  87. # [14:58] <@yzen> MarcoZ morning
  88. # [14:58] <@MarcoZ> morning yzen! :)
  89. # [15:10] <@yzen> MarcoZ so 4 pull requests are in the review queue so not too long to wait for the utility tray :)
  90. # [15:10] <@yzen> MarcoZ also we are getting alive-live notifications :)
  91. # [15:12] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yay! I saw the pull requests.
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  102. # [15:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1011496 from --- to FIXED.
  103. # [15:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1011496 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  104. # [15:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1011496 from --- to mozilla32.
  105. # [15:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1011496 nor, --, mozilla32, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, complete the TextRange interface design
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  108. # [16:10] <slee> eeejay: one of the FFX tablets users manged to turn on screen reader and now can't do anything - not even turn off.
  109. # [16:10] <slee> I don't have device so have to try on my ZTE one.
  110. # [16:11] <slee> Tablets have a version of 1.4 but OP says vol up / down toggle doesn't work.
  111. # [16:11] <slee> andy ideas?
  112. # [16:11] <slee> I just notice on 1.3 that when I hold down the power button to get the power of meny - the screen reade navigates the invisible screen behind it. This can't turn off
  113. # [16:11] <slee> *thus
  114. # [16:15] <slee> Gijs: how is your plan to rid the world of Ukip?
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  116. # [16:16] <@yzen> slee as far as i know 1.4 should have the volume toggle, does the user know how to navigate with the screen reader?
  117. # [16:16] <@yzen> if so they should try getting to a11y settings there
  118. # [16:17] <slee> yzen: indeed I told him how to do it and he says no go. Perhaps a buggy build?
  119. # [16:17] <slee> I explained how to do it but he says doesn;t work
  120. # [16:17] <slee> I even blogged mainly for him - http://opendirective.net/blog/2014/05/help-i-bricked-my-firefox-os-1-3-device-by-enabling-the-accessibility-screen-reader/
  121. # [16:19] <Gijs> slee: they're still here, so it's failing so far...
  122. # [16:20] <Gijs> slee: I recall you wrote me a message about meeting up, but I completely forget where (mail, linkedin, facebook, or somewhere else...)
  123. # [16:20] <@yzen> slee hmm, if interacting with the screen reader doesn't work, is there an image to flash the device with (this sucks though :()?
  124. # [16:20] <Gijs> oh, email to my moco address, apparently
  125. # [16:20] <Gijs> that'd explain why it's gotten lost in the void
  126. # [16:20] * Gijs /still/ doesn't have aggressive email filtering setup there
  127. # [16:21] <slee> yzen: Agree were discussing that right now in 'tcp.
  128. # [16:21] <slee> however then you debug mode on and if you can't do anything at all that's impossible :(
  129. # [16:21] <slee> I'm hoping device hasa recovery mode, but noone knows yet
  130. # [16:22] <Gijs> slee: but thanks for your persistent support, it's been a great cheer-bringer. Learned something about Essex today as well (my fiancée is helpful in understanding all the cultural references :) )
  131. # [16:22] <slee> Gijs: np - lets figure somehting out
  132. # [16:22] <Gijs> slee: will do! I've saved the email now, so at least I will know where it is when I find some time to reply :|
  133. # [16:22] <slee> Gijs: no of that is true. Mind you I do like some of the very rude Essex girl jokes :)
  134. # [16:23] <Gijs> haha
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  138. # [16:24] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! Found the culprit for bug 1014673.
  139. # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
  140. # [16:25] <@surkov> what is that?
  141. # [16:25] <@surkov> i.e what was it?
  142. # [16:25] <@surkov> I see
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  144. # [16:30] <slee> MarcoZ :
  145. # [16:31] <slee> I just noticed on my One with 1.3 that the screen reader doesn't read the menu you get when hold power button down.
  146. # [16:31] <slee> was this fixed?
  147. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yes. That menu has changed recently. It may read the options when you touch them, swiping might not work.
  148. # [16:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: A lot of things didn't really work well yet in 1.3. ;-)
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  150. # [16:37] <slee> MarkoZ: is completely non reponsive so wonder if that was why the tablet user was unable ot tuen his device off.
  151. # [16:37] <slee> tablets have 1.4 though
  152. # [16:38] <slee> and guy claims volume toggle doesn't work either
  153. # [16:39] <slee> I'm going back to trunk on my phone
  154. # [16:40] <@yzen> MarcoZ hey
  155. # [16:41] <@yzen> MarcoZ another question for you :)
  156. # [16:41] <@yzen> im looking at the FTU app right now
  157. # [16:42] <@yzen> each page there has this progress bar that looks like a thin line with a thicker slider thingy moving from left to right when we move from page to page
  158. # [16:42] <@yzen> it's readonly so not actually a slider but more of a progress
  159. # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah I think I saw that.
  160. # [16:43] <@yzen> so right now for progress bar we only say the aria-valuenow
  161. # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> slee: I don't have my tablet yet, so can't test the volume shortcut myself.
  162. # [16:43] <slee> MarcoZ: time to nag Sammy :D
  163. # [16:44] <@yzen> it's not super helpful IMO since it's generally just a number that doesn't make sense without the context of min and max
  164. # [16:44] <@yzen> so the question is 2 fold i guess:
  165. # [16:45] <@yzen> should we update what we say for the progressbar in AccessFu
  166. # [16:45] <@yzen> and
  167. # [16:45] <@firebot> bas@basschouten.com requested needinfo from jmathies@mozilla. com on bug 1014673.
  168. # [16:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
  169. # [16:46] <@yzen> or should we have a proper label for the progress so for example "Page" or "Step", so we ll hear Step 1, Step 2 or Step 1 of N , Step 2 of N
  170. # [16:46] <@yzen> or both :)
  171. # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I think valuemin and valuemax don't make much sense, so I prefer the latter suggestion with the label.
  172. # [16:48] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i agree with valuemin not being helpful, but wouldn't you want to know how far along you are in context of the overall valuemax ?
  173. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Umm, yeah, that is true.
  174. # [16:52] <@yzen> MarcoZ there's also an option of using aria-valuetext for that ?
  175. # [16:52] <@yzen> i think ill do that :)
  176. # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yep, I almost forgot about aria-valuetext.
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  179. # [17:42] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Did our discussion help re the progress meters?
  180. # [17:44] <@yzen> MarcoZ very much yes :) ill be saying something like First Time Experience Step 1 of 9 progress bar
  181. # [17:44] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Nice!
  182. # [17:45] <@yzen> urgh the use of roles in css :(
  183. # [17:45] <@MarcoZ> yzen: You probably already noticed: The change buttons for the time zone region and city etc. don't work for some reason.
  184. # [17:45] <@yzen> ya
  185. # [17:46] <@yzen> just didnt get to that screen just yet
  186. # [17:46] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah really only makes sense in a very limited fashion to put roles in CSS! They should work with proper classes instead always!
  187. # [17:59] * @MarcoZ is off for the weekend. See you on Monday!
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  192. # [18:14] <@davidb> heyo
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  201. # [19:39] <@eeejay> yzen, hey
  202. # [19:40] <@yzen> eeejay hi
  203. # [19:41] <@eeejay> yzen, hey. just having a little debate in my head about roles
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  205. # [19:42] <@yzen> eeejay please tell :)
  206. # [19:42] <@eeejay> yzen, for the contacts list, should it be a plain list/listitem or listbox/option?
  207. # [19:42] <@yzen> eeejay are they clickable and atomic ?
  208. # [19:42] <@eeejay> i am having technical difficulties with the former, but we probably need to fix that anyway.
  209. # [19:43] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
  210. # [19:43] <@eeejay> at least initially
  211. # [19:43] <@yzen> what are other scenarios ? checkable, multi-selectable ?
  212. # [19:44] <@eeejay> i guess when in edit mode, they are multi-selectable
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  214. # [19:44] <@davidb> tbsaunde, how did that 'IPDL protocol error: could not look up PDocAccessible' get resolved?
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  216. # [19:46] <@yzen> eeejay sounds like a listbox option to me
  217. # [19:46] <@eeejay> yzen, ok. that makes life easier. we have a bug in a11y core on how doAction works
  218. # [19:47] <@eeejay> having it be option roles, makes that bug go away
  219. # [19:47] <@eeejay> but i'll work on it anyway,
  220. # [19:47] <@yzen> doAction in terms of listitem ?
  221. # [19:48] <@yzen> eeejay i think it''d be nice to have
  222. # [19:49] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. there is a problem with how our implementation works. text leafs inherit the action of the parent. but then the click hapens in the center coordinate of the parent
  223. # [19:49] <@eeejay> so if the <ol> has a click listener, and the listener gets the appropriate li from the target
  224. # [19:50] <@eeejay> and with doAction, we get bad results.
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  227. # [20:05] <davidb|afk> ok i gotta be afk for an hour
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  229. # [20:27] <@yzen> eeejay if we have a label and an entry, we will land on both right (in case they are siblings)?
  230. # [20:28] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
  231. # [20:28] <@yzen> k
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  242. # [21:48] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1015379 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  243. # [21:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1015379 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, LinkableAccessible::DoAction Does not correctly simulate mouse click
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