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  81. # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> On Windows you fucker!
  82. # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> Oh, not on...
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  84. # [15:17] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(jmathies@mozilla. com) on bug 1014673.
  85. # [15:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
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  89. # [15:24] <@yzen> morning y'all
  90. # [15:24] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi, have you had a chance to try the utility tray/notifications ?
  91. # [15:25] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah, and I love it! :)
  92. # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I, of course, fell into the trap that I double-tapped the "Close Utility Tray" button, and it didn't work. :-)
  93. # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Opening it, and turning on and off items, works extremely well.
  94. # [15:27] <@yzen> sweet
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  96. # [15:28] <@yzen> can you swipe left and right to dismiss notifications ?
  97. # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> yzen: The question is, if we can't just simply act on the double-tap on that Close Utility Tray button instead of requiring the user to swipe upwards.
  98. # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I need to send myself an SMS to actually test that. Is there a difference between swiping right and left? If so, what is it?
  99. # [15:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ nope both dismiss it
  100. # [15:29] <@yzen> that's all
  101. # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK!
  102. # [15:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya i would be fine with double clicking but that means we would need a tap or click handler on the button to close the tray, which might be not what the interaction folks would want with it
  103. # [15:31] <@yzen> ooh, one more question MarcoZ have you tried the media player widget in the tray ?
  104. # [15:32] <@yzen> that led me to realizing that we need to do some sound volume manipulation: when the screen reader is speaking - lower all other sound (music, radio, etc to a minimum)
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  109. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Nope I haven't, I haven't put music onto the device yet.
  110. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I also didn't see them yet, which is probably why.
  111. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, we definitely need an audio ducking feature (that's what it is generally called).
  112. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> Oh fun, network operator has SMS delivery problems.
  113. # [15:41] <@yzen> did you get a notification about it ;)?
  114. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> No. :)
  115. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> The message I sent myself hasn't shown up yet, that's how I am noticing.
  116. # [15:43] <@yzen> oh :(
  117. # [15:44] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i m kind of scared to resolve bugs like bug 994696, just not sure if all of the things are resolved (besides the depends on bugs)
  118. # [15:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994696 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Make notifications and alerts accessible.
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  120. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I think it is OK to do so. The remaining bugs, if any, will be additions to existing stuff/fixing regressions.
  121. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> If you feel all is generally accessible around a certain app or area of the product, feel free to close meta bugs as well.
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  124. # [15:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde, what is DocAccessibleParent::RecvHideEvent about?
  125. # [15:59] <tbsaunde> davidb: handling hid events coming from the child
  126. # [15:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde, why do we call aRoot->Shutdown() ?
  127. # [16:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: because aRoot is the accessible being hidden so that subtree should go away
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  130. # [16:13] <@davidb> yzen, let's roll
  131. # [16:13] <@yzen> MarcoZ k
  132. # [16:13] <@yzen> davidb k
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  138. # [16:49] <@yzen> MarcoZ more questions for you
  139. # [16:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Go right ahead!
  140. # [16:50] <@yzen> MarcoZ so the tutorial in the FTU app, does it even make sense to a screen reader user? i feel like there should be one specific to the screen reader
  141. # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I agree.
  142. # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: No it doesn't make much sense I think. TBH I haven't even looked at it since I assumed the tour to be graphical.
  143. # [16:51] <@yzen> yes it is :)
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  145. # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> yzen: BTW cannot test SMS or so at the moment, because the provider just now has an outage. Or rather, for the last 3 hours already.
  146. # [16:53] <@yzen> wow
  147. # [16:54] <@yzen> MarcoZ oh you can do it with out test apps too if you'd like to see how it works
  148. # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> yzen: How?
  149. # [16:55] <@yzen> MarcoZ so on the last page of the home screen there's a "UI Tests" app
  150. # [16:55] <@yzen> just go in there
  151. # [16:56] <@yzen> and there's a test for notification there where you can click and get a moznotification
  152. # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I don't have a UI Tests app icon. I only have two home screens, and the last two on the second are Music and Video.
  153. # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Do I need to enable something in the Developer settings?
  154. # [17:00] <@yzen> hmm weird
  155. # [17:00] <@yzen> maybe i have a debug build
  156. # [17:01] <@yzen> i just do make reset-gaia on my phone
  157. # [17:01] <@yzen> maybe try that with profile deleted
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  159. # [17:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ, the Ux and components and a11y meeting is at 1pm EST - are you interested in dialing in?
  160. # [17:03] <@davidb> you could skype to my laptop
  161. # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK! See PM. :)
  162. # [17:04] <@davidb> ack
  163. # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> yzen: No I am definitely not running a debug build, and I just recently put a self-pulled Gaia on the device with make reset-gaia. So I think it has to do with that. I am not really comfortable with debug builds. I'll tinker around and somehow get a notification sooner or later.
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  167. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And just now the network came back. :)
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  169. # [17:15] <@davidb> any shout outs for a11y at today's dev meeting?
  170. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Getting rid of a notification works fine, however it is still available in the swiping order right after the "Close Utility Tray" button.
  171. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> yzen: If there was no notification, there is still an empty phantom link following that button, btw.
  172. # [17:16] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, although people are already on top of it sort of, bug 1014673 is worth mentioning since this blocks OMTC.
  173. # [17:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
  174. # [17:18] <@yzen> MarcoZ great
  175. # [17:18] <@yzen> did you get aria live notification ?
  176. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> yzen: When the message about a missed call came in, it only said "Message heading level 1". The phone was ina locked state then.
  177. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> yzen: When I deleted the notification, it was repeated once.
  178. # [17:20] <@yzen> interesting gonna try now
  179. # [17:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ, do we know for sure it is OMTC?
  180. # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: We definitely do. I bisected it to the exact changeset, and turning the pref off in about:config also fixes the problem.
  181. # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> It's all in the comments.
  182. # [17:24] <@davidb> thanks.
  183. # [17:24] <@davidb> MarcoZ, I thought so, just wondered why Bas questioned it.
  184. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I dunno.
  185. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> My proof is quite solid.
  186. # [17:25] * @davidb nods
  187. # [17:36] <@davidb> MarcoZ hey - can you him jimm?
  188. # [17:36] <@davidb> Bug 1014673
  189. # [17:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
  190. # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> davidb: him jimm?
  191. # [17:37] <@davidb> haha, i meant help jimm
  192. # [17:37] <@davidb> lol
  193. # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Not really I am afraid. The moment I try to debug with a screen reader, things usually act up badly because of all the messaging back and forth.
  194. # [17:38] <@davidb> MarcoZ, he is only asking for STR deatils
  195. # [17:38] <@davidb> details even
  196. # [17:39] <@davidb> (i think)
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  198. # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Gave jimm a crash course in some basic NVDA use on the bug.
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  200. # [17:55] <tbsaunde> lunch?
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  202. # [18:02] <eitan> yzen: hey. want to meet in a11y vidyo room?
  203. # [18:02] <@yzen> ok
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  205. # [18:18] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com denied firefox-backlog on bug 722178.
  206. # [18:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722178 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Microsoft Magnifier tool does not focus (follow) text editing cursor properly when the cursor is not
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  211. # [18:47] <slee> Another TCP bod has enabled the screen reader and bricked his device :(
  212. # [18:48] <slee> What is up with these devs? Normally no-one bothers much about a11y :)
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  217. # [18:57] <@davidb> eeejay, any idea what is going on? ^
  218. # [18:57] <@davidb> yzen, meeting in shepherd
  219. # [18:57] <@davidb> sheppard
  220. # [18:58] <@yzen> no that i know that the map actually resembles ttc i think i can find it :)
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  226. # [19:05] <@yzen> eeejay are you joining sheppard meeting room ?
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  228. # [19:12] <eitan> yzen: i’m in the room
  229. # [19:15] <@davidb> eeejay is that you?
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  231. # [19:20] <slee> davidb: eeejay: The build on the tablets is Boot2Gecko 1.4.0.0-prerelease 20140120153642
  232. # [19:21] <slee> Can anything be done when screen reader is turned on. £ people now have bricked tablets :(
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  235. # [19:21] <slee> yzen: please see ^^
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  238. # [19:37] <@davidb> eeejay, can you hear ok
  239. # [19:37] <@davidb> ?
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  260. # [20:39] <eitan> davidb: the sound went out
  261. # [20:40] <eitan> say bye to everyone!
  262. # [20:40] <@davidb> oops - i left
  263. # [20:40] <eitan> davidb: 1:1 soon?
  264. # [20:40] <@davidb> eitan, is now good?
  265. # [20:40] <eitan> davidb: i need 5 minutes
  266. # [20:40] <@davidb> eitan, sure. ping me when ready
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  269. # [20:46] <eitan> davidb: ready!
  270. # [20:46] <eitan> fancy site?
  271. # [20:46] <@davidb> eitan sure
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  274. # [20:47] <@davidb> eitan can you hear me?
  275. # [20:47] <@davidb> eeejay ^
  276. # [20:48] <eitan> davidb: no
  277. # [20:48] <@davidb> eeejay, see me?
  278. # [20:48] <@davidb> eitan i hear you
  279. # [20:48] <eitan> nope
  280. # [20:48] <@davidb> trying again
  281. # [20:48] <@davidb> eitan, my connection seems bad
  282. # [20:49] <eitan> hm, looks like a sound issie
  283. # [20:49] <eitan> issue
  284. # [20:49] <eitan> see you fine
  285. # [20:49] <@davidb> eitan, is there a throbber in the tab on your browser?
  286. # [20:49] <@davidb> mine never stops
  287. # [20:49] <eitan> no
  288. # [20:54] <eitan> vidyo?
  289. # [20:54] <eitan> skype?
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  294. # [20:56] <@davidb> eitan, hardware fail
  295. # [20:56] <eitan> ah
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  304. # [21:14] <@davidb> surkov, are you okay with tbsaunde leaving some fprintf's in his patch?
  305. # [21:17] <@surkov> davidb: are they ifdefed? in general we have logging namespace for that
  306. # [21:17] <@davidb> nope
  307. # [21:18] <@surkov> having something constantly printing is not good
  308. # [21:21] <@davidb> eeejay, does bug 869533 sound like what we want?
  309. # [21:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869533 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support simple lossy global scaling of chrome
  310. # [21:22] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah
  311. # [21:22] <@davidb> eeejay, do we have one for inversion?
  312. # [21:22] <@eeejay> davidb, i don't think so
  313. # [21:23] <@davidb> eeejay, bug 796230
  314. # [21:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796230 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [Accessibility] Enabling Invert Colors will cause janky performance
  315. # [21:23] <@davidb> eeejay, i guess referring to that bug now would be unhelpful?
  316. # [21:23] <@eeejay> davidb, that was a svg filter hack
  317. # [21:23] * @davidb nods
  318. # [21:23] <@eeejay> it could be, for historical purposes
  319. # [21:25] <@davidb> eeejay, would you like to file a new bug?
  320. # [21:25] <@eeejay> davidb, sure
  321. # [21:26] <@davidb> eeejay, cool let me know and i can add to an email and fire it off
  322. # [21:27] <@eeejay> davidb, i'll open one for a simple invert, we may want to get another high contrast filter too in the future
  323. # [21:28] * @davidb nods
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  325. # [21:29] <@eeejay> davidb, i'm checking if it is already possible with the color management feature
  326. # [21:29] <@davidb> ok
  327. # [21:39] <@davidb> eeejay, any insight?
  328. # [21:39] <@davidb> (you should eat)
  329. # [21:39] <@eeejay> davidb, nah. won't work
  330. # [21:39] <@davidb> ok
  331. # [21:39] <@eeejay> i should eat
  332. # [21:39] <@eeejay> filing now
  333. # [21:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: there's no point in ifdefing code that never runs in real cases anyway
  334. # [21:43] <@eeejay> davidb, bug 1016539
  335. # [21:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016539 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add preference for inverting colors
  336. # [21:43] <@davidb> ta
  337. # [21:46] <@eeejay> lunch!
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  344. # [22:08] <@surkov> tbsaunde: is there a point in code that never runs? :)
  345. # [22:11] <tbsaunde> surkov: I mean it never runs for users yet
  346. # [22:11] <tbsaunde> it will someday, but only for me now
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  348. # [22:13] <@surkov> if those ifdefs aren’t ever supposed to be used for debugging proposes later then yes
  349. # [22:26] <tbsaunde> surkov: huh?
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  351. # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 938303 from --- to FIXED.
  352. # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 938303 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  353. # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 938303 from --- to Firefox 32.
  354. # [22:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938303 nor, --, Firefox 32, myk, RESO FIXED, Can't disable cmd-q in Firefox on Mac OS X. Both new shortcut(such as Cmd-Ctl-Q) and Cmd-Q invokes "
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