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- # Session Start: Tue May 27 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> On Windows you fucker!
- # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> Oh, not on...
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- # [15:17] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(jmathies@mozilla. com) on bug 1014673.
- # [15:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
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- # [15:24] <@yzen> morning y'all
- # [15:24] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi, have you had a chance to try the utility tray/notifications ?
- # [15:25] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah, and I love it! :)
- # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I, of course, fell into the trap that I double-tapped the "Close Utility Tray" button, and it didn't work. :-)
- # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Opening it, and turning on and off items, works extremely well.
- # [15:27] <@yzen> sweet
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- # [15:28] <@yzen> can you swipe left and right to dismiss notifications ?
- # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> yzen: The question is, if we can't just simply act on the double-tap on that Close Utility Tray button instead of requiring the user to swipe upwards.
- # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I need to send myself an SMS to actually test that. Is there a difference between swiping right and left? If so, what is it?
- # [15:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ nope both dismiss it
- # [15:29] <@yzen> that's all
- # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK!
- # [15:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya i would be fine with double clicking but that means we would need a tap or click handler on the button to close the tray, which might be not what the interaction folks would want with it
- # [15:31] <@yzen> ooh, one more question MarcoZ have you tried the media player widget in the tray ?
- # [15:32] <@yzen> that led me to realizing that we need to do some sound volume manipulation: when the screen reader is speaking - lower all other sound (music, radio, etc to a minimum)
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- # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Nope I haven't, I haven't put music onto the device yet.
- # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I also didn't see them yet, which is probably why.
- # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, we definitely need an audio ducking feature (that's what it is generally called).
- # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> Oh fun, network operator has SMS delivery problems.
- # [15:41] <@yzen> did you get a notification about it ;)?
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> No. :)
- # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> The message I sent myself hasn't shown up yet, that's how I am noticing.
- # [15:43] <@yzen> oh :(
- # [15:44] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i m kind of scared to resolve bugs like bug 994696, just not sure if all of the things are resolved (besides the depends on bugs)
- # [15:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994696 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Make notifications and alerts accessible.
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- # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I think it is OK to do so. The remaining bugs, if any, will be additions to existing stuff/fixing regressions.
- # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> If you feel all is generally accessible around a certain app or area of the product, feel free to close meta bugs as well.
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- # [15:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde, what is DocAccessibleParent::RecvHideEvent about?
- # [15:59] <tbsaunde> davidb: handling hid events coming from the child
- # [15:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde, why do we call aRoot->Shutdown() ?
- # [16:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: because aRoot is the accessible being hidden so that subtree should go away
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- # [16:13] <@davidb> yzen, let's roll
- # [16:13] <@yzen> MarcoZ k
- # [16:13] <@yzen> davidb k
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- # [16:49] <@yzen> MarcoZ more questions for you
- # [16:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Go right ahead!
- # [16:50] <@yzen> MarcoZ so the tutorial in the FTU app, does it even make sense to a screen reader user? i feel like there should be one specific to the screen reader
- # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I agree.
- # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: No it doesn't make much sense I think. TBH I haven't even looked at it since I assumed the tour to be graphical.
- # [16:51] <@yzen> yes it is :)
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- # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> yzen: BTW cannot test SMS or so at the moment, because the provider just now has an outage. Or rather, for the last 3 hours already.
- # [16:53] <@yzen> wow
- # [16:54] <@yzen> MarcoZ oh you can do it with out test apps too if you'd like to see how it works
- # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> yzen: How?
- # [16:55] <@yzen> MarcoZ so on the last page of the home screen there's a "UI Tests" app
- # [16:55] <@yzen> just go in there
- # [16:56] <@yzen> and there's a test for notification there where you can click and get a moznotification
- # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I don't have a UI Tests app icon. I only have two home screens, and the last two on the second are Music and Video.
- # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Do I need to enable something in the Developer settings?
- # [17:00] <@yzen> hmm weird
- # [17:00] <@yzen> maybe i have a debug build
- # [17:01] <@yzen> i just do make reset-gaia on my phone
- # [17:01] <@yzen> maybe try that with profile deleted
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- # [17:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ, the Ux and components and a11y meeting is at 1pm EST - are you interested in dialing in?
- # [17:03] <@davidb> you could skype to my laptop
- # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK! See PM. :)
- # [17:04] <@davidb> ack
- # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> yzen: No I am definitely not running a debug build, and I just recently put a self-pulled Gaia on the device with make reset-gaia. So I think it has to do with that. I am not really comfortable with debug builds. I'll tinker around and somehow get a notification sooner or later.
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- # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And just now the network came back. :)
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- # [17:15] <@davidb> any shout outs for a11y at today's dev meeting?
- # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Getting rid of a notification works fine, however it is still available in the swiping order right after the "Close Utility Tray" button.
- # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> yzen: If there was no notification, there is still an empty phantom link following that button, btw.
- # [17:16] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, although people are already on top of it sort of, bug 1014673 is worth mentioning since this blocks OMTC.
- # [17:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
- # [17:18] <@yzen> MarcoZ great
- # [17:18] <@yzen> did you get aria live notification ?
- # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> yzen: When the message about a missed call came in, it only said "Message heading level 1". The phone was ina locked state then.
- # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> yzen: When I deleted the notification, it was repeated once.
- # [17:20] <@yzen> interesting gonna try now
- # [17:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ, do we know for sure it is OMTC?
- # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: We definitely do. I bisected it to the exact changeset, and turning the pref off in about:config also fixes the problem.
- # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> It's all in the comments.
- # [17:24] <@davidb> thanks.
- # [17:24] <@davidb> MarcoZ, I thought so, just wondered why Bas questioned it.
- # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I dunno.
- # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> My proof is quite solid.
- # [17:25] * @davidb nods
- # [17:36] <@davidb> MarcoZ hey - can you him jimm?
- # [17:36] <@davidb> Bug 1014673
- # [17:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
- # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> davidb: him jimm?
- # [17:37] <@davidb> haha, i meant help jimm
- # [17:37] <@davidb> lol
- # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Not really I am afraid. The moment I try to debug with a screen reader, things usually act up badly because of all the messaging back and forth.
- # [17:38] <@davidb> MarcoZ, he is only asking for STR deatils
- # [17:38] <@davidb> details even
- # [17:39] <@davidb> (i think)
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- # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Gave jimm a crash course in some basic NVDA use on the bug.
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- # [17:55] <tbsaunde> lunch?
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- # [18:02] <eitan> yzen: hey. want to meet in a11y vidyo room?
- # [18:02] <@yzen> ok
- # [18:05] * @MarcoZ will join in.
- # [18:18] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com denied firefox-backlog on bug 722178.
- # [18:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722178 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Microsoft Magnifier tool does not focus (follow) text editing cursor properly when the cursor is not
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- # [18:47] <slee> Another TCP bod has enabled the screen reader and bricked his device :(
- # [18:48] <slee> What is up with these devs? Normally no-one bothers much about a11y :)
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- # [18:57] <@davidb> eeejay, any idea what is going on? ^
- # [18:57] <@davidb> yzen, meeting in shepherd
- # [18:57] <@davidb> sheppard
- # [18:58] <@yzen> no that i know that the map actually resembles ttc i think i can find it :)
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- # [19:05] <@yzen> eeejay are you joining sheppard meeting room ?
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- # [19:12] <eitan> yzen: i’m in the room
- # [19:15] <@davidb> eeejay is that you?
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- # [19:20] <slee> davidb: eeejay: The build on the tablets is Boot2Gecko 1.4.0.0-prerelease 20140120153642
- # [19:21] <slee> Can anything be done when screen reader is turned on. £ people now have bricked tablets :(
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- # [19:21] <slee> yzen: please see ^^
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- # [19:37] <@davidb> eeejay, can you hear ok
- # [19:37] <@davidb> ?
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- # [20:39] <eitan> davidb: the sound went out
- # [20:40] <eitan> say bye to everyone!
- # [20:40] <@davidb> oops - i left
- # [20:40] <eitan> davidb: 1:1 soon?
- # [20:40] <@davidb> eitan, is now good?
- # [20:40] <eitan> davidb: i need 5 minutes
- # [20:40] <@davidb> eitan, sure. ping me when ready
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- # [20:46] <eitan> davidb: ready!
- # [20:46] <eitan> fancy site?
- # [20:46] <@davidb> eitan sure
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- # [20:47] <@davidb> eitan can you hear me?
- # [20:47] <@davidb> eeejay ^
- # [20:48] <eitan> davidb: no
- # [20:48] <@davidb> eeejay, see me?
- # [20:48] <@davidb> eitan i hear you
- # [20:48] <eitan> nope
- # [20:48] <@davidb> trying again
- # [20:48] <@davidb> eitan, my connection seems bad
- # [20:49] <eitan> hm, looks like a sound issie
- # [20:49] <eitan> issue
- # [20:49] <eitan> see you fine
- # [20:49] <@davidb> eitan, is there a throbber in the tab on your browser?
- # [20:49] <@davidb> mine never stops
- # [20:49] <eitan> no
- # [20:54] <eitan> vidyo?
- # [20:54] <eitan> skype?
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- # [20:56] <@davidb> eitan, hardware fail
- # [20:56] <eitan> ah
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- # [21:14] <@davidb> surkov, are you okay with tbsaunde leaving some fprintf's in his patch?
- # [21:17] <@surkov> davidb: are they ifdefed? in general we have logging namespace for that
- # [21:17] <@davidb> nope
- # [21:18] <@surkov> having something constantly printing is not good
- # [21:21] <@davidb> eeejay, does bug 869533 sound like what we want?
- # [21:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869533 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support simple lossy global scaling of chrome
- # [21:22] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah
- # [21:22] <@davidb> eeejay, do we have one for inversion?
- # [21:22] <@eeejay> davidb, i don't think so
- # [21:23] <@davidb> eeejay, bug 796230
- # [21:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796230 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [Accessibility] Enabling Invert Colors will cause janky performance
- # [21:23] <@davidb> eeejay, i guess referring to that bug now would be unhelpful?
- # [21:23] <@eeejay> davidb, that was a svg filter hack
- # [21:23] * @davidb nods
- # [21:23] <@eeejay> it could be, for historical purposes
- # [21:25] <@davidb> eeejay, would you like to file a new bug?
- # [21:25] <@eeejay> davidb, sure
- # [21:26] <@davidb> eeejay, cool let me know and i can add to an email and fire it off
- # [21:27] <@eeejay> davidb, i'll open one for a simple invert, we may want to get another high contrast filter too in the future
- # [21:28] * @davidb nods
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- # [21:29] <@eeejay> davidb, i'm checking if it is already possible with the color management feature
- # [21:29] <@davidb> ok
- # [21:39] <@davidb> eeejay, any insight?
- # [21:39] <@davidb> (you should eat)
- # [21:39] <@eeejay> davidb, nah. won't work
- # [21:39] <@davidb> ok
- # [21:39] <@eeejay> i should eat
- # [21:39] <@eeejay> filing now
- # [21:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: there's no point in ifdefing code that never runs in real cases anyway
- # [21:43] <@eeejay> davidb, bug 1016539
- # [21:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016539 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add preference for inverting colors
- # [21:43] <@davidb> ta
- # [21:46] <@eeejay> lunch!
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- # [22:08] <@surkov> tbsaunde: is there a point in code that never runs? :)
- # [22:11] <tbsaunde> surkov: I mean it never runs for users yet
- # [22:11] <tbsaunde> it will someday, but only for me now
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- # [22:13] <@surkov> if those ifdefs aren’t ever supposed to be used for debugging proposes later then yes
- # [22:26] <tbsaunde> surkov: huh?
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- # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 938303 from --- to FIXED.
- # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 938303 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 938303 from --- to Firefox 32.
- # [22:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938303 nor, --, Firefox 32, myk, RESO FIXED, Can't disable cmd-q in Firefox on Mac OS X. Both new shortcut(such as Cmd-Ctl-Q) and Cmd-Q invokes "
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