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  7. # [00:34] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1014673 from nobody@mozilla.org to jmathies@mozilla.com.
  8. # [00:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, jmathies, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
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  51. # [14:11] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 1016935 filed by cbook@mozilla.com.
  52. # [14:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016935 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent test_cssoverflow.html | Can't get accessible for [object HTMLDivElement]
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  56. # [14:24] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1015550 from --- to FIXED.
  57. # [14:24] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1015550 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  58. # [14:25] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1015550 from --- to mozilla32.
  59. # [14:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1015550 nor, --, mozilla32, quanxunzhen, RESO FIXED, Line boundary is incorrect for multi-char bullet
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  64. # [14:42] <@MarcoZ> Good day all!
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  68. # [14:55] <@MarcoZ> Morning yzen! :-)
  69. # [14:55] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
  70. # [14:55] <@MarcoZ> yzen: From the bugs filed and updated last night, I gather the meeting with the UX folks went very well! Glad to see color inversion etc. and zoom moving forward!
  71. # [14:56] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya they were really keen on getting to know what our roadmap passed the screen reader is
  72. # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Cool!
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  74. # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> So, when is code freeze for 2.0? End of July?
  75. # [14:58] <@MarcoZ> But we're targetting 2.1 anyway, right?
  76. # [14:58] <@yzen> Feature Landing June 9th, Feature complete July 21
  77. # [14:59] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes, that's October 21st
  78. # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Got it! :)
  79. # [14:59] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So, we'll have something in 2.0 that is usable in some more than just Settings, but 2.1 will be what we can actually tell users to really try out.
  80. # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Are we interested in building a small beta group for 2.1 stuff?
  81. # [15:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ i would think definitely :)
  82. # [15:01] <@yzen> MarcoZ i already feel slightly reluctant closing meta bugs just because i m a little paranoid about them having full coverage :)
  83. # [15:01] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK, so we definitely need a means to distribute nightly builds, or have nightly updates working, for those people. I don't want to ask beta testers to build Firefox OS themselves.
  84. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Don't worry about leaving meta bugs open just a bit longer. That doesn't hurt. We know what we've got, and everybody can see from the dependent bugs how far we've come.
  85. # [15:03] <@yzen> agree
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  89. # [15:16] <slee> MarcoZ: Hi
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  93. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> slee: Hi!
  94. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> slee: I honestly don't know what's up with the screen reader on the tablets yet.
  95. # [15:32] <slee> MarcoZ: no problem
  96. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> slee: I did not think 1.4 was ever this broken in general.
  97. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> sleSo these tablets have no way to get into recovery mode to wipe the user data once these folks turned on the screen reader?
  98. # [15:34] <slee> MarcoZ: that is the problem we are fighting with. No one knows and Asa not responding for requests for a contact
  99. # [15:34] <slee> Caspy7 has tried many key combinations.
  100. # [15:34] <slee> Also debug is off by default so ADB cannot connect.
  101. # [15:34] <slee> Wed like a harware way to get to fastboot but none found
  102. # [15:35] <slee> sigh
  103. # [15:35] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yes, adb debugging is off in phone builds as well by default.
  104. # [15:35] <@MarcoZ> slee: But I thought at least power + volume down held long enough would get one into recovery mode like on many Android-based phones.
  105. # [15:35] <slee> I got Chris Leung in china to call but got nowhere as it not a "commerical" device
  106. # [15:36] <slee> They say no. I;ve not got one to try. You will be 1st :)
  107. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> Sigh.
  108. # [15:36] <slee> I thought I'd try the same version on my phone but I don't think can build a specific Build ID?
  109. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> slee: No I don't think you can.
  110. # [15:36] <slee> I think I would need to find a dated commit in each repo and checkou each
  111. # [15:37] <@firebot> benjamin@smedbergs.us requested needinfo from dmajor@mozilla.co m on bug 1016545.
  112. # [15:37] <slee> I see nightlies but of course not for each device :(
  113. # [15:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016545 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, memory leak that kills Firefox in few seconds
  114. # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: That would certainly be possible, the git commit info is given in the more device info section.
  115. # [15:37] <slee> and dont't think I could use a nightly as a base to build anotehr device
  116. # [15:37] <slee> MarcoZ: but only one git info is given - not sure which repo it is as there are loads
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  118. # [15:38] <slee> MarcoZ: se we are stuck untill
  119. # [15:38] <slee> 1) you guys find a magic way to use screen reader
  120. # [15:39] <slee> 2) we figure how to flash the bricked devices
  121. # [15:39] <slee> If I was you when you get your tablet turn on debuggin and backup every thign on the device 1st
  122. # [15:40] <slee> double sigh
  123. # [15:42] <@firebot> curtisk@mozilla.com denied sec-bounty on bug 1016545.
  124. # [15:43] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yeah I will be cautious. :-)
  125. # [15:44] <slee> good luck!
  126. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yeah my device is due to arrive on Friday.
  127. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> slee: So hopefully I'll have some news by the end of the day.
  128. # [15:46] <slee> MarcoZ: When I look at nightlies on 2014-01-20 - the date in the build identifier for the tablets I only seel 1.1 and 1.2
  129. # [15:47] <slee> but device has 1.4 ?
  130. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> slee: The device is built by an external partner, and they probably used a custom build to create the images from which they set up the tablets.
  131. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> slee: In other words, they pulled in the source from our repos and built, and the date is given from that day. And we probably didn't have any devices in-house yet so no nightly builds for those tablets on our end.
  132. # [15:48] <slee> Ah. Of course. Hence no doubt why it is borked
  133. # [15:48] <slee> MarcoZ: but not even 1.4 for simulator etc?
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  135. # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Thanks for the forward!
  136. # [16:08] <@yzen> MarcoZ np :)
  137. # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> yzen: BTW, do you understand what RIL vs. non-RIL is? I don't even know what RIL stands for ATM.
  138. # [16:09] <@yzen> radio interface layer afaik
  139. # [16:09] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK, and what is that?
  140. # [16:10] <@yzen> MarcoZ (from the wiki page) android RIL has 2 components one of which is vendor RIL and is specific to the radio implementation which my guess is might be proprietary
  141. # [16:11] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK...
  142. # [16:11] <@yzen> MarcoZ not sure myself
  143. # [16:11] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So if I want to put my Flame back on a regular nightly, should I use a RIL or non-RIL build?
  144. # [16:12] <@yzen> so i think a RIL build will probably have the networking working
  145. # [16:13] <@yzen> since it will have the flame specific radio component there
  146. # [16:13] <@yzen> but i m guessing those are 2 orthogonal issues: where update channel is configurable in the dev settings, afaik
  147. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK, yeah just am thinking to use nightly updates once Bhearsum switches over so I can get the user experience potential beta testers will be getting.
  148. # [16:19] <@yzen> yep
  149. # [16:19] * @MarcoZ will use the Flash tool to get the current nightly once Ben has made the switch. See here: https://intranet.mozilla.org/QA/B2G_Flash_Tools
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  151. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> Oh fun, just tried installing a nightly update on the Hamachi device I've still got lying around, and which I flashed a regular nightly onto 2 weeks ago. It doesn't come back from the reboot after it started installing the update. It downloaded and uncompressed it, but now it's stuck.
  152. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: ^
  153. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> I know it's not a Flame, but thought you'd like to know. :-)
  154. # [16:49] <@yzen> MarcoZ does it say it's complete in terminal ?
  155. # [16:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Umm, I didn't update from the command line, it updated OTA.
  156. # [16:50] <@yzen> interseting
  157. # [16:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: It downloaded 57.6 mb, uncompressed them and then gave me a choice to install it, all in the utility tray. I said "Install now", and after that it restarted itself and hasn't come back since. ;-)
  158. # [16:51] <@yzen> :(
  159. # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> I'll ask in #qa and see if anyone knows.
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  162. # [17:10] <@firebot> vseerror@lehigh.edu requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gma il.com on bug 899450.
  163. # [17:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899450 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsCSSFrameConstructor::ContentRemoved @ mozilla::a11y::Accessible::EnsureChildren
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  166. # [17:35] <slee> MarcoZ: how do you do 2 finger swipe on home screen with screen reader on? or do you just keep single swiping and it scrolls?
  167. # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: Put the two fingers slightly apart. Works for me.
  168. # [17:40] <slee> I thought the screenreader used 2 finger swipe itself so masks the default action?
  169. # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> slee: Oh, what does the 2 finger swipe do without the screen reader on?
  170. # [18:04] <slee> It scrolls between home screen panels AFAIK. One is the groups and one the icons
  171. # [18:04] <slee> I don't have phone with me
  172. # [18:09] <@MarcoZ> slee: That is with 2 finger swipe with screen reader on, too.
  173. # [18:09] <@MarcoZ> Left and right.
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  175. # [18:12] <slee> OK so no problem - I may be getting mixed up anyway
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  184. # [18:52] <@davidb> heyo
  185. # [18:54] <tbsaunde> hey
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  200. # [20:23] <@yzen> eeejay hey
  201. # [20:23] <@eeejay> yzen, hi
  202. # [20:23] <@yzen> im ready whenever
  203. # [20:24] <@eeejay> yzen, 2 minutes
  204. # [20:24] <@yzen> sounds good
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  206. # [20:30] <@eeejay> yzen, opentok?
  207. # [20:30] <@yzen> eeejay there
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