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  47. # [10:36] <slee> MarcoZ: so today you might get your new toy? ;)
  48. # [10:49] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yup, waiting for the FedEx delivery. :-)
  49. # [11:06] <firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1018092 filed by reqman@freemail.gr.
  50. # [11:06] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018092 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Firefox 29+: switching to tab group shows incorrect tabs
  51. # [12:04] <@MarcoZ> slee: So...I have no idea what people are doing. The one thing that does not work for some reason is Pico, so when the screen reader is turned on, it doesn't speak.
  52. # [12:05] <slee> MarcoZ: There seems to be some saying they turned on anotehr option and the screen reader came on.
  53. # [12:05] <@MarcoZ> But it does the audible clicks, and it shows the focus ring. My wife was able to swipe left and right, she was even able to lock and unlock the screen when the focus ring is on the lock icon.
  54. # [12:05] <slee> so you have it already?
  55. # [12:05] <slee> can you turn the screenreader off?
  56. # [12:05] <@MarcoZ> The one thing that does not work is swiping from bottom up to leave an application. So even when they turn the screen reader on, they can drag the finger around the screen until the focus ring is on the Screen reader checkbox, then double-tap to turn it off again.
  57. # [12:05] <@MarcoZ> Works without problems here.
  58. # [12:06] <@MarcoZ> slee: There is only one option to turn on the screen reader, and that is in the Developer options in Settings.
  59. # [12:06] <slee> hold on - what is drag? - that's a new option for me
  60. # [12:07] <@MarcoZ> slee: And yes, my wife can turn the screen reader on and off at will.
  61. # [12:07] <slee> I know - it's all so weird
  62. # [12:07] <slee> does volume toggle work as well
  63. # [12:07] <@MarcoZ> slee: She even can turn on all those debugging options above the screen reader setting like crazy and turn the screen reader along with them, and focus indicator still works and she can turn it off again.
  64. # [12:08] <@MarcoZ> slee: Just slide your finger around the display at will, and focus ring will follow when screen reader is on. So they just have to either tap on the checkbox so it gets highlighted, then double-tap, or slide the finger around the display, or swipe left and right through the options if they want to.
  65. # [12:09] <@MarcoZ> slee: No, the volume toggle was introduced at a later date then January 20. I believe it was early March.
  66. # [12:09] <slee> oh - thats new to me. Will try on One. Does it scroll when you hit the edges
  67. # [12:09] <@MarcoZ> No it won't scroll.
  68. # [12:09] <@MarcoZ> And that's on purpose, otherwise you'd have an everchanging display.
  69. # [12:09] <slee> so you swip left/right to move when at edge?
  70. # [12:09] <slee> Sure!
  71. # [12:09] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yes, or do a two finger swipe up to scroll down.
  72. # [12:10] <slee> MarcoZ: This is bonkers. I need to talk through with others who have problem
  73. # [12:11] <slee> Can you confirm my blog was correct in that where ever they end up the can single swip and double tap to get to the screen reader setting and turn it off?
  74. # [12:12] <slee> MarcoZ: can your wife check that turning on none of settings get into a weird f*ck up mode
  75. # [12:13] <slee> MarcoZ: thanks so much - though it more confused now :(
  76. # [12:13] <slee> I want my tablet!!!!
  77. # [12:14] * slee throws toys out of pram
  78. # [12:21] <slee> MarcoZ: can you try to get back to home screen and then swipe across to settings icon?
  79. # [12:22] <slee> some people had a problem there. I can't on my ZTEONe - probably as 2 finger swipe is not usable
  80. # [12:23] <slee> On the ZTE I can focus the scroll bar but not interact with it
  81. # [12:23] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yes, your blog post was totally correct, and it works.
  82. # [12:23] <slee> Good. Ill add the sliding access too
  83. # [12:24] <@MarcoZ> slee: Just tap any item on the main screen and swipe up or down.
  84. # [12:24] <@MarcoZ> The status bar at the top only works in nightly builds of Gaia since last week.
  85. # [12:24] <@MarcoZ> slee: Getting to the settings after restarting the device is also possible.
  86. # [12:24] <slee> slider - ah _ flashed from master last week
  87. # [12:25] <slee> how?
  88. # [12:26] <slee> MarcoZ: So I'm on the hoe scrren left panel (groups) how do I get to status icon without 2 finger swipe?
  89. # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> slee: Umm, *where* are you?
  90. # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> slee: What status icon do you want to go to?
  91. # [12:31] <slee> so I press the hardware home button (can you find that?)
  92. # [12:32] <@MarcoZ> Not on the Tablet, doesn't exist there, but yeah on a phone it is.
  93. # [12:32] <slee> dam - I meant **settings** icon
  94. # [12:32] <slee> really - I thought all devices need a home button?
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  96. # [12:32] <@MarcoZ> slee: If you're on the first home screen, focus *any* of the icons in the top row of folders, like "social". Just tap it once so focus ring is on it. Then, do a two finger swipe left.
  97. # [12:33] <slee> Does that work on tablet?
  98. # [12:33] <@MarcoZ> slee: And I now see what the problem with the tablets is. Somehow, there is no item in the general home screen area on the first home screen. Only the bottom icons are there.
  99. # [12:33] <slee> ZTE is NOT multi touch so two finger is a no go :(
  100. # [12:33] <slee> MarcoZ: hold on - say tha tagain?
  101. # [12:34] <@MarcoZ> slee: It *has* to work. I remember getting to the settings on the ZTE Open. It just takes longer to get it right. Tideous, I know, but it must work. I did it.
  102. # [12:34] <slee> OK - you have magic fingers :)
  103. # [12:34] <@MarcoZ> slee: There are no icons on the first home screen of the tablet.
  104. # [12:34] * slee give the ZTE lots of V-signs
  105. # [12:34] <@MarcoZ> Except the bottom row that is on all home screens.
  106. # [12:35] <@MarcoZ> slee: But we'd need focus on an item in the main home screen area to be able to initiate the two finger swipe.
  107. # [12:35] <slee> MarcoZ: so none of the GROUP icons that must get focus 1st!
  108. # [12:35] <slee> we agree.
  109. # [12:35] <slee> soooooo is there a work around
  110. # [12:35] <@MarcoZ> slee: So for people to turn off the screen reader on their tablets now, who restarted the tablet, there is only one way.
  111. # [12:35] <slee> go on!
  112. # [12:35] <@MarcoZ> slee: Connect the tablet to a computer.
  113. # [12:36] <@MarcoZ> In a command shell, run adb pull data data
  114. # [12:36] <@MarcoZ> That pulls the data partition from the device to a data sub folder on the machine.
  115. # [12:36] <slee> Marco arrrgggg - debuging is *off* by default! so no ADB connection
  116. # [12:36] <@MarcoZ> In the sub folders that are being created, find the prefs.js file.
  117. # [12:36] <slee> sorry - caty on
  118. # [12:36] <@MarcoZ> find the line that says something about screen reader or screenReader, and set its value to 0, is probably 1.
  119. # [12:37] <slee> *carry
  120. # [12:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: On my tablet, debugging was set to "ADB only2 by default.
  121. # [12:37] <@MarcoZ> sorry " not 2.
  122. # [12:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: After the prefs.js file has been edited, it should be pushed back to the device:
  123. # [12:38] <slee> thanks!
  124. # [12:38] <slee> MarcoZ: that's easier than pushing gaia etc
  125. # [12:38] <@MarcoZ> adb push data/b2g/profilename/prefs.js /data/
  126. # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> slee: (or whatever the directory name ends up being).
  127. # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> slee: then adb reboot.
  128. # [12:39] <slee> MarcoZ: so if we find a way get the group icons screen reader will work again?
  129. # [12:39] <slee> MarcoZ: could we perhaps do with prefs? Prolly a Q for #b2g
  130. # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> slee: My tablet was even rooted by default. e. g. adb was running as root when i first initiated a connection. And again, it was already set to "ADB Only" in the Remote Debugging thingie.
  131. # [12:40] <@MarcoZ> slee: Or just install any app from the market place, that would put an icon on the first home screen I think.
  132. # [12:40] <slee> MarcoZ: so why are people saying it is off. They must have turned off :(
  133. # [12:40] <@MarcoZ> slee: Probably. I don't think the devices are set up differently from device to device. So I presume they turned it off.
  134. # [12:40] <slee> OK! but again need to turn screen reader off 1st to get to market place? Or is there away?
  135. # [12:41] <slee> yeh!
  136. # [12:41] <@MarcoZ> slee: Or they are on Linux and didn't do the proper setup for the Android.rules file.
  137. # [12:41] <@MarcoZ> slee: Nope turn off screen reader first.
  138. # [12:41] <slee> hmmm
  139. # [12:41] <@MarcoZ> slee: Sheesh, why do these people turn it on in the first place?
  140. # [12:42] <slee> One clamed he did not - hmmmm
  141. # [12:42] <@MarcoZ> I don't believehim. :P
  142. # [12:42] <slee> I will report it back. Actually it needs to be a bug.
  143. # [12:42] <@MarcoZ> Many males often do things they claim they didn't.
  144. # [12:42] <slee> I'ss assume you are correct and not the otehrs :)
  145. # [12:43] <@MarcoZ> slee: Oh yeah I already found quite a number of bugs we need to file against the screen reader for the tablets.
  146. # [12:43] <slee> MarcoZ: way to go!
  147. # [12:43] <slee> see you should have had your tablet 1st thing!
  148. # [12:44] <slee> We tried to rpioritse shipping but Sammy is sticking to US 1st then country by country
  149. # [12:44] <slee> you were lucky1
  150. # [12:44] <slee> From your comments on Males above I can tell you are used to tech support :)
  151. # [12:45] <slee> MarcoZ: Thank you so much - we have been awesome! I'll pass the bug # to you in a while
  152. # [12:51] <@MarcoZ> slee: OK! :-)
  153. # [12:51] <slee> actuall at least 2 bugs
  154. # [12:51] <slee> I've given up on 2 finger swipe on ZTE for now :(
  155. # [13:01] <slee> MarcoZ: I can't see a screenreader or a11y component listed in bugzilla for gaia
  156. # [13:01] <slee> wha tshould I used
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  161. # [13:26] <@MarcoZ> slee: The standard component for Gaia you want to report a bug about, e. g. the home screen, settings or the like. And use the keyword access to indicate an accessibility bug. You can also directly CC me on the bug.
  162. # [13:26] <@MarcoZ> If you have access to those fields, you can also make it block bug 893789.
  163. # [13:26] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893789 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Meta] GAIA accessibility bugs
  164. # [13:30] <slee> MarcoZ: Bug 1018144
  165. # [13:30] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018144 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [flatfish] Cannot navigate from 1st to 2nd home with screen reader when no group icons
  166. # [13:32] <slee> MarcoZ: also Bug 1018145
  167. # [13:32] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018145 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [flatfish] The pico synthetic speech is not working with the screen reader
  168. # [13:36] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yeah that latter one is probably a dupe of bug 1007452, which was recently fixed for the 2.0/master branch.
  169. # [13:36] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007452 nor, --, ---, eitan, RESO FIXED, Pico language files are not copied to target device
  170. # [13:36] <slee> MarcoZ: do you want me to do anyhting?
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  172. # [13:51] <@MarcoZ> slee: Not yet.
  173. # [13:52] <slee> MarcoZ: did you actuall try that DB command to turn off screen reader? I know you did connect as you said was root. so that's prolly good enough for me.
  174. # [13:52] <slee> I'm just thinking of wha tt osay when people say it doesn't work - sigh
  175. # [13:53] <@MarcoZ> slee: I am just now performing those steps myself.
  176. # [13:54] <slee> :)
  177. # [13:55] <slee> I'm off to lunch. My new toy to play with is a bunch of ink cartidges :(
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  180. # [14:27] <firebot> yfdyh000@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1018092 from Keyboard Navigation to Panorama.
  181. # [14:27] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018092 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Firefox 29+: switching to tab group shows incorrect tabs
  182. # [14:47] <firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) on bug 1014673.
  183. # [14:48] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1014673 maj, --, ---, jmathies, NEW, Significant increase of WM_GETOBJECT handling failures
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  190. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  191. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> Hi yzen!
  192. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> I can haz Flatfish!
  193. # [15:47] <@davidb> heyo
  194. # [15:47] <@davidb> good good
  195. # [15:47] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi, im pretty stoked about the bugs :)
  196. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Heh yeah, I was surprised to find that the tablet does not have a home button like the phones do, and that you swipe from the bottom up to dismiss the current application.
  197. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And that other one surprised me, too. For one, would never have thought we'd ship something with basically a blank first home screen. :-)
  198. # [15:51] <@yzen> heh
  199. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I am now building B2G for the Flatfish to get it up to our level of master to see what the a11y looks like there.
  200. # [15:51] <@yzen> id be curious to know :)
  201. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I'll update the bugs if the findings are any different on Master.
  202. # [15:53] <@davidb> MarcoZ, nice that you sorted out slee's issue
  203. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I liked that, too! The big relieving news for us is that the screen reader, in principle, works on the tablet as it does on a phone.
  204. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The problems are a combination of at least two bugs that leave even me stuck with not much to do after the tablet has been rebooted, or an app has been started.
  205. # [15:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ, solvable i hope?
  206. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Well, that's for our Gaia experts yzen and eeejay to find out, but I would say yes. :-)
  207. # [15:58] <@davidb> go team!
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  210. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Oh one thing: When I swipe left from the first home screen icon on the current page, or the "I'm thinking of" entry field, I land on a slider that is either 0 if I'm on the 1st, or 1 if I'm on the second home screen page. Is this thing actually visible?
  211. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did you get my Twitter DM from yesterday around your lunch time?
  212. # [15:59] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes, we will fix it for the homescreen
  213. # [15:59] <@yzen> right now it's sort of a read only
  214. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So can one actually interact with this, in theory? I mean if the screen reader is not running?
  215. # [15:59] <@yzen> but that should be an additional way of getting around pages, i m guessing that the slider will go away for vertical homescreen
  216. # [16:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ not atm
  217. # [16:00] <@yzen> read only
  218. # [16:00] <@yzen> they use slider just cause
  219. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK! If it was, this could be a way to scroll even away from empty pages.
  220. # [16:00] <@davidb> MarcoZ, i did, i'm still thinking
  221. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: All right!
  222. # [16:00] <@davidb> MarcoZ, sorry for delay
  223. # [16:00] <slee> MarcoZ: thanks for testing and providing reset instructions - sounds like it caused some disucssion in the a11y team :)
  224. # [16:01] <@yzen> slee thanks for all the bugs
  225. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> slee: You're welcome!
  226. # [16:01] <slee> yzen: np - it's great to back
  227. # [16:01] <@davidb> yeah slee, thanks for raising the alarm
  228. # [16:01] <slee> group hug :)
  229. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> slee: BTW if you're also interested in this: bug 1018188.
  230. # [16:01] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018188 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Flatfish] When screen reader is on, swiping from bottom up to close an app does not work
  231. # [16:01] <@davidb> :)
  232. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> :)
  233. # [16:02] <slee> thanks - so far those playing with the screen reader have not been users
  234. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> slee: Heh yeah!
  235. # [16:02] <slee> interestng as WIndows use swipe *down* to close apps
  236. # [16:03] <slee> but it's great to start with a high profile a11y bug - lets them all know it exists
  237. # [16:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i still in the ftu
  238. # [16:04] <slee> MarcoZ: davidb yzen: We still have mystery of why they turned it on though. Perhaps there is somehting else going on we've yet to find
  239. # [16:04] <@yzen> and im digging the hole deeper and deeper
  240. # [16:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ so i m having lots of issues with contact import
  241. # [16:06] <@yzen> MarcoZ it's one of those things with multiple overlaying apps, since they are not controlled by the win management system
  242. # [16:06] <@yzen> MarcoZ and if i start hiding things i absolutely must handle all cases when apps get dismissed, closed, killed etc
  243. # [16:07] * @yzen ranting :)
  244. # [16:12] <slee> MarcoZ: BTW did you prove installing an app resulted in an icon on the 1st home page?
  245. # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> slee: Nope because I didn't get to the second screen to open the Market Place.
  246. # [16:14] <slee> ah - lets assume it works for now :)
  247. # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Oh my, that sounds like a real pain. Wonder *why* these aren't all being controlled by the window manager. My feeling says they *should* be.
  248. # [16:14] <slee> I'll stop butting in
  249. # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> slee: All good :)
  250. # [16:15] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya, I think ill file that stuff separately
  251. # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes. Maybe take some steps first. The Contacts app has some issues of its own anyway, so some of these will probably resolve itself when the contacts app is fixed.
  252. # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Take some steps for FtU first that are easier and get you a good part of the way, like the time zone and other screens.
  253. # [16:17] <@yzen> ya that's working now, MarcoZ
  254. # [16:21] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Very cool!
  255. # [16:22] <@yzen> ok ill make some pull requests i think :)
  256. # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Look forward to skimming the patches!
  257. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> slee: BTW you cannot edit comments in Bugzilla.
  258. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> slee: Once commented, it's set in stone. :-)
  259. # [16:23] <slee> MarcoZ: bum - is a good policy I gues, so I will have to be extra careful from now on
  260. # [16:23] <slee> hah
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  265. # [17:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ i have 3 PR's let me know if you were to try them :)
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  267. # [17:16] <@yzen> MarcoZ it will still be exposed to the listbox option from the sub-tree.
  268. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Oh OK, thanks!
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  270. # [17:46] <Bryen> ping davidb Hiya, how have you been?
  271. # [17:46] <@davidb> yo
  272. # [17:47] <Bryen> davidb, I'm wondering, before I write an email to you, if it is too late to invite Mozilla to have a booth at the International DeafBlind Expo in uly?
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  274. # [17:49] <@davidb> Bryen yeah too late i think
  275. # [17:49] <Bryen> ok just saved some bandwidth bits not sending an email then hehe
  276. # [18:00] <slee> Bryen: HI - long time no see
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  281. # [18:41] <@eeejay> surkov, hey
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  284. # [19:13] <@eeejay> hey yash_
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  286. # [19:57] <Bryen> hey slee
  287. # [19:57] <Bryen> shoot Imissed slee
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  290. # [20:04] <@davidb> relocating...
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  293. # [20:10] <@surkov> eeejay: hey
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  298. # [20:41] <tbsaunde> davidb|afk: what happened to bug 899450 ?
  299. # [20:41] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899450 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsCSSFrameConstructor::ContentRemoved @ mozilla::a11y::Accessible::EnsureChildren
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  303. # [20:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i didn't progress on it
  304. # [20:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i'd like to update my windows vm and look at a dump but not sure when
  305. # [20:45] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  306. # [20:47] <@davidb> in other news my bike got caught in my drive down garage drain. apparently i am still able to do a hand stand.
  307. # [20:49] <@eeejay> hehe
  308. # [20:52] <firebot> mhoye@mozilla.com requested needinfo from singh.kushagra93@ gmail.com on bug 634827.
  309. # [20:53] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634827 nor, --, ---, singh.kushagra93, NEW, don't set up selection listeners for controls other than text fields
  310. # [20:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde, trying my current setup
  311. # [20:54] * @davidb loads dmp
  312. # [20:55] <@davidb> crap forgot symbol server
  313. # [20:55] <@davidb> oh hmm that is set
  314. # [20:56] <firebot> singh.kushagra93@gmail.com requested needinfo from mhoye@mozilla.com on bug 634827.
  315. # [20:56] <@davidb> oh duh
  316. # [20:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde, gotta go afk again i'll look at this a bit later. at least the crash isn't exploitable and isn't frequent AFAIK
  317. # [20:57] <firebot> mhoye@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(mhoye@mozilla.com ) on bug 634827.
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  319. # [20:59] <tbsaunde> davidb|afk: no hurry, just wondered where we are at
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  322. # [21:02] <slee> yzen: ping
  323. # [21:04] <firebot> mhoye@mozilla.com requested needinfo from sid3129@gmail.com on bug 755621.
  324. # [21:04] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755621 nor, --, ---, sid3129, ASSI, Add downcasting for nsXULTreeItemAccessibleBase
  325. # [21:06] <@yzen> slee hi
  326. # [21:06] <slee> quick Q - the tablet has no home button. There for to get to switcher you use 2 finger up swipe AFAIK
  327. # [21:06] <slee> what if screen reader is on?
  328. # [21:08] <@yzen> slee what exactly do you mean by the switcher ?
  329. # [21:08] <slee> switch between apps. Like Alt-Tab on windows. Long press on FXOS home button
  330. # [21:09] <slee> also I can't get screen reader to work in the browser on recent build - can't get to adress bar
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  332. # [21:10] <@yzen> slee right, so atm you were only able to get to that menu with the home button, i would file a bug for that
  333. # [21:13] <@yzen> slee_away we have a meta bug for edge gestures , does yours sounds like it might be from that category ?
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  335. # [21:19] <slee> yzen: it might be - I don't have device so am just guessing it will be problem. Creating a bug seems bad form
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  347. # [22:33] <@davidb> surkov, yzen, tbsaunde you doing the talent show?
  348. # [22:33] <@yzen> heh
  349. # [22:34] <@yzen> only if by doing you mean attending , in my case
  350. # [22:34] <@davidb> OMG I am missing a Crepe Station
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