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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 11 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  43. # [14:15] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
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  45. # [14:29] <@yzen> hi MarcoZ
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  53. # [15:11] <@yzen> MarcoZ what are your thoughts about tests ?
  54. # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I am not sure exactly. Normally I'd say intermittently failing tests cover a potential problem.
  55. # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Are these tests timing out, or asking for stuff too early, or what?
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  58. # [15:31] <@davidb> heyo!
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  60. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Jesus, I really get confused as to where these Gaia tests are being run. Travis, TBPL, where else?
  61. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Oh yes devices, apparently in some form of manual test runs.
  62. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Do you have a full picture of where they run what?
  63. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb|afk!
  64. # [15:32] <@yzen> MarcoZ so they run on travis, also tbpl on different platforms and once a day on device
  65. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So if they run on device and encounter failures, we should get notified.
  66. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> yzen: In the a11y bits.
  67. # [15:33] <@yzen> MarcoZ well recently some of my tests were backed out because our a11y click functionality was not working well (the accessible was not found in time - room for improvement here) these are eeejay's tests i m not sure what's going on other than there might be a regression in terms of switching to a vertical homescreen
  68. # [15:34] <@yzen> MarcoZ i m not sure we do :(
  69. # [15:34] <@yzen> MarcoZ in fact im not sure if something actually works on device unless i run it personally
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  71. # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Well, as I said yesterday, the home screen is blank for me on a device running on the latest nightly build from pvtbuilds.
  72. # [15:38] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah :( the test reviewers are backlogged right now i guess, i have 3 reviews waiting :(
  73. # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So we need to make sure we understand why the failures happen, to avoid stuff that runs on a certain setTimeout or equivalent, etc. tomake them more reliable. We *need* those tests working, or the guys will constantly break us.
  74. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I totally lost track of what is still in there in terms of tests and what got backed out. We should get together with Zac and try to clear this up.
  75. # [15:40] * @MarcoZ feels frustration rising...
  76. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> And a large part has to do with the Gaia folks checking in stuff (like the vertical home screen) with lots of tests disabled just because they want to get a damn feature landed.
  77. # [15:42] <@yzen> MarcoZ that's not all :) there's also a different outcome of the same tests running on Travis and TBPL
  78. # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah so why is that? Does Travis run with a different version of Gecko?
  79. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Some of our tests rely on stuff in AccessFu that needs to be in sync or stuff will fall over.
  80. # [15:45] <@yzen> MarcoZ something to do with gaia build i think because i can 100% pass the ftu test on Travis and 100% fail on TBPL
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  82. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> yzen: That is horrifying...
  83. # [15:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde, you around? mhoye is doing pizza roll call in #toronto
  84. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> These guys don't seem to have their infrastructure figured out at all yet.
  85. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> I want Pizza!
  86. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> :D
  87. # [15:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ, hehe
  88. # [15:46] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i'm probably going to gusto101 with yura and whoever, so that's an option
  89. # [15:46] <@yzen> MarcoZ so at this point there are 2 causes for failures that i can think of: our a11y activation procedure is time dependent; we fail visibility tests intermittently because of transitions
  90. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Anything we can do about those?
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  92. # [15:51] <@yzen> MarcoZ transitions should be handled upstream i believe with marionette, the a11y clicking i think we can improve
  93. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK!
  94. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Care to repoyl to zac's e-mail?
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  98. # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> Bwahahahahahaha! "The devs change the HTML more often than they change their underpants"... I LOVE that one!
  99. # [16:48] <@davidb> heh
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  105. # [17:01] <@davidb> surkov, how was camping?
  106. # [17:01] <@surkov> davidb: maybe the best I had in Canada
  107. # [17:02] <@davidb> excellent
  108. # [17:02] <@davidb> i'll want details
  109. # [17:02] <@surkov> no other people on the whole island
  110. # [17:02] <@davidb> awesome
  111. # [17:03] <@surkov> warm water on the lake, swimming
  112. # [17:03] <@davidb> really!?
  113. # [17:03] <@surkov> yep
  114. # [17:03] <@surkov> I’m quite flexible to temperature but my kids are not
  115. # [17:03] * @davidb nods
  116. # [17:04] <@surkov> I couldn’t get out my older daughter from water :)
  117. # [17:04] <@davidb> hehehe
  118. # [17:04] <@surkov> really nice nature, wild noices, that was first time when I heard bullfrog :)
  119. # [17:04] <@davidb> oh yeah - they are loud
  120. # [17:05] <@davidb> i like them
  121. # [17:05] <@surkov> one of them lived near of our camp :)
  122. # [17:05] <@davidb> hhaha
  123. # [17:05] <@surkov> I was scaried for a bit when it started :)
  124. # [17:06] <@davidb> did you canoe to the island?
  125. # [17:06] <@surkov> yes
  126. # [17:07] <@surkov> dog always wanted to escape from boat and my wife got nervious when boating :)
  127. # [17:07] <@davidb> :)
  128. # [17:07] <@davidb> you all survived
  129. # [17:08] <@davidb> catch any fish?
  130. # [17:08] <@surkov> yep :)
  131. # [17:08] <@davidb> eat them?
  132. # [17:08] <@surkov> nah, I still don’t have any equipment
  133. # [17:08] <@davidb> ah ok
  134. # [17:08] <@davidb> you could roast some bullfrog :)
  135. # [17:08] <@surkov> I want for the next time
  136. # [17:08] <@surkov> really?
  137. # [17:08] <@davidb> haha well not serious but you could i suppose
  138. # [17:09] <@surkov> ok
  139. # [17:09] <@surkov> I’ve never eat frogs at all :)
  140. # [17:09] <@davidb> http://www.realcajuncooking.com/2011/07/cajun-fried-bullfrog-legs.html
  141. # [17:09] <@davidb> (me neither)
  142. # [17:11] <@surkov> yeah, I could catch one :) it doesn’t move away when you are really close :)
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  152. # [18:19] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm wondering how much of these failed tests are because of the getAccessible routine
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  154. # [18:29] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1021874 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  155. # [18:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1021874 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] B2G keyboard does not work when entry in same process is focused
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  158. # [18:54] <@yzen> eeejay i wonder too, but i think when we have wait for condition, the timeout is much higher than 100ms
  159. # [18:55] <@eeejay> yzen, so we only try for 100 ms, right?
  160. # [18:56] <@yzen> ya 10 times 10ms each, but i m not sure how many times state is changed within wait for condition
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  162. # [18:57] <@eeejay> hm
  163. # [18:57] <@eeejay> i'm looking at bug 1022132
  164. # [18:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022132 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [UI Tests] Intermittent Failure on Travis: TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | test_a11y_unlock_to_homescreen.py
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  169. # [19:03] <@yzen> eeejay i guess it might be, if the call to getAccessible results in an exception, accessible is not found we will time out
  170. # [19:04] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. but you would expect it to be a permanent failure if that were the case
  171. # [19:05] <@yzen> eeejay well perhaps 100ms is enough in cases when it passes ?
  172. # [19:05] <@eeejay> good q
  173. # [19:06] <@eeejay> if i understood marionette better, i would create an accessible client object
  174. # [19:07] <@eeejay> client-side
  175. # [19:08] <@yzen> btw eeejay we can meet any time if you'd like, im not playing soccer today
  176. # [19:09] <@eeejay> yzen, cool
  177. # [19:27] <@eeejay> yzen, still looking into this. maybe in 20?
  178. # [19:27] <@yzen> ok
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  198. # [21:07] <@eeejay> yzen, the good news is, that the lockscreen test failure is a legitimate bug..
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  200. # [21:07] <@eeejay> of the lockscreen
  201. # [21:07] <@eeejay> but i hate that code so much...
  202. # [21:08] <@yzen> :) :(
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  204. # [21:10] <@davidb> there is not status: RESOLVED HATETHISCODE
  205. # [21:10] <@davidb> because i would have found that by now
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  209. # [21:34] <@eeejay> yzen, you know about gaia_ui_tests_report.html ?
  210. # [21:34] <@yzen> if you run with travis locally yeah
  211. # [21:35] <@eeejay> yzen, in tbpl and travis, it uploads to amazon
  212. # [21:36] <@eeejay> aw
  213. # [21:36] <@eeejay> s
  214. # [21:36] <@eeejay> aws
  215. # [21:36] <@yzen> oh cool
  216. # [21:36] <@eeejay> so its a good source of forensics for unreproduceable tests
  217. # [21:38] <@eeejay> why does amir remove the review flag??
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