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- # Session Start: Wed Jun 11 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [14:15] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
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- # [14:29] <@yzen> hi MarcoZ
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- # [15:11] <@yzen> MarcoZ what are your thoughts about tests ?
- # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I am not sure exactly. Normally I'd say intermittently failing tests cover a potential problem.
- # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Are these tests timing out, or asking for stuff too early, or what?
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- # [15:31] <@davidb> heyo!
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- # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Jesus, I really get confused as to where these Gaia tests are being run. Travis, TBPL, where else?
- # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Oh yes devices, apparently in some form of manual test runs.
- # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Do you have a full picture of where they run what?
- # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb|afk!
- # [15:32] <@yzen> MarcoZ so they run on travis, also tbpl on different platforms and once a day on device
- # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So if they run on device and encounter failures, we should get notified.
- # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> yzen: In the a11y bits.
- # [15:33] <@yzen> MarcoZ well recently some of my tests were backed out because our a11y click functionality was not working well (the accessible was not found in time - room for improvement here) these are eeejay's tests i m not sure what's going on other than there might be a regression in terms of switching to a vertical homescreen
- # [15:34] <@yzen> MarcoZ i m not sure we do :(
- # [15:34] <@yzen> MarcoZ in fact im not sure if something actually works on device unless i run it personally
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- # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Well, as I said yesterday, the home screen is blank for me on a device running on the latest nightly build from pvtbuilds.
- # [15:38] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah :( the test reviewers are backlogged right now i guess, i have 3 reviews waiting :(
- # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So we need to make sure we understand why the failures happen, to avoid stuff that runs on a certain setTimeout or equivalent, etc. tomake them more reliable. We *need* those tests working, or the guys will constantly break us.
- # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I totally lost track of what is still in there in terms of tests and what got backed out. We should get together with Zac and try to clear this up.
- # [15:40] * @MarcoZ feels frustration rising...
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> And a large part has to do with the Gaia folks checking in stuff (like the vertical home screen) with lots of tests disabled just because they want to get a damn feature landed.
- # [15:42] <@yzen> MarcoZ that's not all :) there's also a different outcome of the same tests running on Travis and TBPL
- # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah so why is that? Does Travis run with a different version of Gecko?
- # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Some of our tests rely on stuff in AccessFu that needs to be in sync or stuff will fall over.
- # [15:45] <@yzen> MarcoZ something to do with gaia build i think because i can 100% pass the ftu test on Travis and 100% fail on TBPL
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- # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> yzen: That is horrifying...
- # [15:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde, you around? mhoye is doing pizza roll call in #toronto
- # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> These guys don't seem to have their infrastructure figured out at all yet.
- # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> I want Pizza!
- # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> :D
- # [15:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ, hehe
- # [15:46] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i'm probably going to gusto101 with yura and whoever, so that's an option
- # [15:46] <@yzen> MarcoZ so at this point there are 2 causes for failures that i can think of: our a11y activation procedure is time dependent; we fail visibility tests intermittently because of transitions
- # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Anything we can do about those?
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- # [15:51] <@yzen> MarcoZ transitions should be handled upstream i believe with marionette, the a11y clicking i think we can improve
- # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK!
- # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Care to repoyl to zac's e-mail?
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- # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> Bwahahahahahaha! "The devs change the HTML more often than they change their underpants"... I LOVE that one!
- # [16:48] <@davidb> heh
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- # [17:01] <@davidb> surkov, how was camping?
- # [17:01] <@surkov> davidb: maybe the best I had in Canada
- # [17:02] <@davidb> excellent
- # [17:02] <@davidb> i'll want details
- # [17:02] <@surkov> no other people on the whole island
- # [17:02] <@davidb> awesome
- # [17:03] <@surkov> warm water on the lake, swimming
- # [17:03] <@davidb> really!?
- # [17:03] <@surkov> yep
- # [17:03] <@surkov> I’m quite flexible to temperature but my kids are not
- # [17:03] * @davidb nods
- # [17:04] <@surkov> I couldn’t get out my older daughter from water :)
- # [17:04] <@davidb> hehehe
- # [17:04] <@surkov> really nice nature, wild noices, that was first time when I heard bullfrog :)
- # [17:04] <@davidb> oh yeah - they are loud
- # [17:05] <@davidb> i like them
- # [17:05] <@surkov> one of them lived near of our camp :)
- # [17:05] <@davidb> hhaha
- # [17:05] <@surkov> I was scaried for a bit when it started :)
- # [17:06] <@davidb> did you canoe to the island?
- # [17:06] <@surkov> yes
- # [17:07] <@surkov> dog always wanted to escape from boat and my wife got nervious when boating :)
- # [17:07] <@davidb> :)
- # [17:07] <@davidb> you all survived
- # [17:08] <@davidb> catch any fish?
- # [17:08] <@surkov> yep :)
- # [17:08] <@davidb> eat them?
- # [17:08] <@surkov> nah, I still don’t have any equipment
- # [17:08] <@davidb> ah ok
- # [17:08] <@davidb> you could roast some bullfrog :)
- # [17:08] <@surkov> I want for the next time
- # [17:08] <@surkov> really?
- # [17:08] <@davidb> haha well not serious but you could i suppose
- # [17:09] <@surkov> ok
- # [17:09] <@surkov> I’ve never eat frogs at all :)
- # [17:09] <@davidb> http://www.realcajuncooking.com/2011/07/cajun-fried-bullfrog-legs.html
- # [17:09] <@davidb> (me neither)
- # [17:11] <@surkov> yeah, I could catch one :) it doesn’t move away when you are really close :)
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- # [18:19] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm wondering how much of these failed tests are because of the getAccessible routine
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- # [18:29] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1021874 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [18:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1021874 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] B2G keyboard does not work when entry in same process is focused
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- # [18:54] <@yzen> eeejay i wonder too, but i think when we have wait for condition, the timeout is much higher than 100ms
- # [18:55] <@eeejay> yzen, so we only try for 100 ms, right?
- # [18:56] <@yzen> ya 10 times 10ms each, but i m not sure how many times state is changed within wait for condition
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- # [18:57] <@eeejay> hm
- # [18:57] <@eeejay> i'm looking at bug 1022132
- # [18:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022132 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [UI Tests] Intermittent Failure on Travis: TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | test_a11y_unlock_to_homescreen.py
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- # [19:03] <@yzen> eeejay i guess it might be, if the call to getAccessible results in an exception, accessible is not found we will time out
- # [19:04] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. but you would expect it to be a permanent failure if that were the case
- # [19:05] <@yzen> eeejay well perhaps 100ms is enough in cases when it passes ?
- # [19:05] <@eeejay> good q
- # [19:06] <@eeejay> if i understood marionette better, i would create an accessible client object
- # [19:07] <@eeejay> client-side
- # [19:08] <@yzen> btw eeejay we can meet any time if you'd like, im not playing soccer today
- # [19:09] <@eeejay> yzen, cool
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> yzen, still looking into this. maybe in 20?
- # [19:27] <@yzen> ok
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- # [21:07] <@eeejay> yzen, the good news is, that the lockscreen test failure is a legitimate bug..
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- # [21:07] <@eeejay> of the lockscreen
- # [21:07] <@eeejay> but i hate that code so much...
- # [21:08] <@yzen> :) :(
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- # [21:10] <@davidb> there is not status: RESOLVED HATETHISCODE
- # [21:10] <@davidb> because i would have found that by now
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- # [21:34] <@eeejay> yzen, you know about gaia_ui_tests_report.html ?
- # [21:34] <@yzen> if you run with travis locally yeah
- # [21:35] <@eeejay> yzen, in tbpl and travis, it uploads to amazon
- # [21:36] <@eeejay> aw
- # [21:36] <@eeejay> s
- # [21:36] <@eeejay> aws
- # [21:36] <@yzen> oh cool
- # [21:36] <@eeejay> so its a good source of forensics for unreproduceable tests
- # [21:38] <@eeejay> why does amir remove the review flag??
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