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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jun 16 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  27. # [06:00] <firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1025733 filed by matharpit1@gmail.com.
  28. # [06:00] <firebot> https://bugzil.la/1025733 — UNCONFIRMED — it is showing logen as a caption of the button, but it should be showing login
  29. # [06:02] <firebot> matharpit1@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1025733 from --- to INVALID.
  30. # [06:02] <firebot> matharpit1@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1025733 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
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  67. # [15:12] <@MarcoZ> Good day all!
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  70. # [15:23] <@davidb> heyo!
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  73. # [15:28] <@tbsaunde> heya
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  77. # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb, yzen! :)
  78. # [15:38] <@davidb> HI HI HI
  79. # [15:38] <@yzen> MarcoZ morning/afternnon
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  81. # [15:45] * @davidb --> coffee!
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  83. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hi, saw that bug 1018214 got backed out yet again. Were you going to disable those tests on Travis?
  84. # [15:47] <firebot> https://bugzil.la/1018214 — REOPENED, yzenevich — Write Gaia-ui accessibility tests for the utility tray.
  85. # [15:48] <SteveF> MarcoZ: a question: the html spec requires the following: for an option element - aria-selected and aria-checked states set to "true" if the element's selectedness is true, and "false" otherwise. which equates to having both selected and checked states set
  86. # [15:48] <@yzen> MarcoZ well i would like to get to the root of it, it looks like they pass on TBPL
  87. # [15:48] <SteveF> MarcoZ: does this sound right?
  88. # [15:48] <@yzen> i still think there's room for improvements with our accessible object in tests
  89. # [15:49] <SteveF> MarcoZ: also I did a little testing of browser support for the acc mapping requirements in the HTML spec http://stevefaulkner.github.io/html-mapping-tests/
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  92. # [15:55] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yeah really strange!
  93. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: I'd say for checkable items like radio buttons and check boxes, aria-selected is superflous.
  94. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: However, since the Windows history also contains checkable list items and even checkable tree items, for those, aria-selected *is* appropriate.
  95. # [15:57] <SteveF> MarcoZ: OK so for an <option> element?
  96. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: But then, list items or tree items should always have a defined aria-selected state IMO, so for them, checkable is the optional one.
  97. # [15:58] <SteveF> MarcoZ: thanks
  98. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: I believe option elements don't actually support being checkable, so those would always be aria-widgets.
  99. # [15:58] <SteveF> MarcoZ: so am talking about standard HTML option element in this case
  100. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: option elements are selected, or not, in any case. But checkable list items or tree items I only know from native Windows widgets, not HTML. So I assume checkable list items in HTML must be ARIA widgets.
  101. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Standard option elements aria-selected yes, aria-checked no.
  102. # [15:59] <SteveF> MarcoZ: that is what I have found in testing
  103. # [16:00] <SteveF> option has selected state but not checked
  104. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: And for input type="radio" or input type="checkbox", aria-checkable and aria-checked, but not aria-sele ted.
  105. # [16:00] <SteveF> MarcoZ: right
  106. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Sorry, checkable state from the native API, and aria-checked, but not aria-selected.
  107. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: And not aria-pressed.
  108. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: aria-pressed is for button or input type="button" which turns those into toggle buttons.
  109. # [16:02] <SteveF> marcoZ: right the requriements for natove HTML mappings in HTML are described in terms of ARIA semantics but its the platform API mappings that I am checking
  110. # [16:02] <SteveF> requirements for native
  111. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Gotcha!
  112. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: 1:1?
  113. # [16:03] <SteveF> so each requirement has to be converted into plaform acc API role/state/property
  114. # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ, you bet
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  118. # [16:21] <slee> MarcoZ: Good day to you too!
  119. # [16:32] <@MarcoZ> What the... Nightly builds of IE! Microsoft announces new IE dev channel: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/06/16/announcing-internet-explorer-developer-channel.aspx
  120. # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: davidb: ^
  121. # [16:33] <@davidb> finally
  122. # [16:33] <SteveF> MarcoZ: downloading :-)
  123. # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> This is almost like hell freezing over or something... Microsoft really have changed!
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  128. # [17:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde, ready to gab?
  129. # [17:13] <@davidb> tbsaunde?
  130. # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> davidb: sure
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  177. # [22:26] <firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1026125 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  178. # [22:26] <firebot> https://bugzil.la/1026125 — NEW — ShadowRoot nodes don't get accessible objects
  179. # [22:34] <firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1026132 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  180. # [22:34] <firebot> https://bugzil.la/1026132 — NEW — atk bullet / list item text bustage
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