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  18. # [02:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1029129 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  19. # [02:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1029129 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  20. # [02:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1029129 — WORKSFORME — Weird focus indicator to right of search box.
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  93. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  94. # [15:42] <@davidb> heyo!
  95. # [15:43] <@davidb> MarcoZ, i'm wondering if i need to test non screen reader keyboard use of bug 1021618
  96. # [15:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1021618 — ASSIGNED, MattN+bmo — Create the foundation for converting preference dialogs to be in-content
  97. # [15:43] <@davidb> hg diff
  98. # [15:43] <@davidb> heh
  99. # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It would probably be a good idea.
  100. # [15:44] <@davidb> yeah
  101. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> davidb: We still have a general problem with in-content XUL stuff, that has been around since the on-set of the new Add-Ons Manager, and which was never really dealt with, and that is the fact that, upon initially opening, keyboard focus lands in limbo land, and you have to press an extra tab to get it to the first focusable element.
  102. # [15:46] <@davidb> crap the patch didn't apply
  103. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563911
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  105. # [15:46] <@firebot> Bug 563911 — NEW — Extraneous tabstop when navigating from the tab bar to the Add-Ons Manager categories list
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  107. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I also see this when opening the new Tools/Options dialog.
  108. # [15:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ, do you recall why it wasn't fixed?
  109. # [15:48] <@davidb> bbiab
  110. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No. Guess nobody cared enough, and I also somehow let it slip since this isn't the most frequented dialog ever. But since it now also shows in other places, it becomes more important.
  111. # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ, did the patch apply for you?
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  118. # [16:45] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, with one hunk applied with fuzz 2 lines.
  119. # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Inbound pulled this morning.
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  123. # [17:01] <@MarcoZ> Good morning yzen! :)
  124. # [17:01] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi hi
  125. # [17:01] <@davidb> yo
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  130. # [17:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ, inbound from about an hour ago didn't take the patch cleanly
  131. # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did you get it to apply?
  132. # [17:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ, no i was interrupted with a quick bsmedberg meeting
  133. # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh! Yeah I cloned this morning, like a few hours ago, and that state definitely does take the patch.
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  135. # [17:06] <@davidb> ok
  136. # [17:07] <@davidb> i'll need to manually apply for content.js i guess
  137. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> yzen: What's current/next on your list of things you're working on?
  138. # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh yeah, that's the file that got applied with a fuzz offset of 2 lines in one hunk for me.
  139. # [17:08] <@yzen> MarcoZ well im working on value selector accessibility/visibility, which is the thing you use to select date time and single/multi select. also I m going to try figuring out the l10n of accessfu in gaia
  140. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Great stuff!
  141. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: On a different topic: Did you see my comments in bug 1029133?
  142. # [17:09] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1029133 — NEW — about:app-manager (web ide) accessibility review
  143. # [17:11] <@davidb> MarcoZ, cool. I think we'll need a photon dependent triage as next step... get some aria and keyboard going.
  144. # [17:11] <@davidb> probably file dependent bugs.
  145. # [17:11] <@davidb> MarcoZ, I wonder if a community person would like to take this on?
  146. # [17:11] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The thing is that this touches on a lot of different areas in the dev tools.
  147. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> So whoever does this will best take a look at *all* the dev tools.
  148. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> Like I said, we need someone to do this work, because I think the dev tools team just won't do it.
  149. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> Sorry for being so honest, but frustration about this is running high with me.
  150. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> I did not get a reply to my e-mail to Rob, either.
  151. # [17:13] <@davidb> let me talk to him
  152. # [17:13] <@davidb> he might be waiting for the q3 goals planning
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  154. # [17:15] <@davidb> nothing like the smell of build scroll in the morning
  155. # [17:18] <@davidb> MarcoZ, PMed ya
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  157. # [17:21] <SteveF> surkov: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26172#c6
  158. # [17:22] <@surkov> reading
  159. # [17:23] <SteveF> surkov: and this one https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26149
  160. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It is so embarrassing that the most accessible browser in the world has such inaccessible dev tools.
  161. # [17:23] <@surkov> ok
  162. # [17:23] <SteveF> surkov: my thinking is current IE behaviour is fine, why ask them to change?
  163. # [17:23] <@surkov> agree
  164. # [17:24] <SteveF> can you comment on bug so i can close?
  165. # [17:25] <SteveF> thanks
  166. # [17:26] <SteveF> surkov: on alt="" what requriements do you think there should be?
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  169. # [17:57] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1028563 from --- to FIXED.
  170. # [17:57] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1028563 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  171. # [17:57] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1028563 from --- to mozilla33.
  172. # [17:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1028563 — FIXED, birunthan — Flatten away public/src subdirectories under accessible/
  173. # [17:59] <@davidb> MattN, hi, for bug 1021618 I applied your patch and ran it (about:preferences) but the dialogs don't appear in-content for me. Is there a config flag?
  174. # [17:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1021618 — ASSIGNED, MattN+bmo — Create the foundation for converting preference dialogs to be in-content
  175. # [18:01] * @davidb peruses bug
  176. # [18:01] <@davidb> maybe my manual rejects patch application had some fail
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  178. # [18:09] <MattN> davidb: only the 3 dialogs I listed should be in-content
  179. # [18:09] <MattN> *4
  180. # [18:09] <MattN> do those work?
  181. # [18:10] <@davidb> MattN, i tried color and languages
  182. # [18:10] <@davidb> they created new windows
  183. # [18:10] <@davidb> but it was content.js that didn't apply cleanly
  184. # [18:10] <MattN> yeah, that is the file for that tab
  185. # [18:10] <@davidb> maybe i missed something
  186. # [18:10] * @davidb nods
  187. # [18:10] <MattN> try General => Use bookmark…
  188. # [18:11] <MattN> that is from a different file
  189. # [18:11] <@davidb> MattN, anyways i'm filing a general keyboard use bug to make sure we run through everything.
  190. # [18:11] <@davidb> oh
  191. # [18:13] <@surkov> SteveF: different browsers do different things, perhpas we could allow the fork
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  194. # [18:16] <@davidb> MattN, i'll check it after lunch thanks
  195. # [18:16] <MattN> ok, thanks
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  215. # [19:53] <@davidb> MattN, i have to be on the road in 7 minutes... keyboard-only use is still not working for me. it works for you?
  216. # [19:53] <MattN> davidb: which OS?
  217. # [19:53] <@davidb> MattN 10.9.3
  218. # [19:54] <@davidb> MattN, if i click in the dialog first i can interact with it
  219. # [19:54] <MattN> same for me and it's working
  220. # [19:54] <MattN> debug or opt build?
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  222. # [19:54] <@davidb> debug
  223. # [19:54] <MattN> does the ESC key work?
  224. # [19:54] <@davidb> yes
  225. # [19:54] <MattN> before clicking?
  226. # [19:54] <@davidb> when you launch the dialog where do you see focus? are you using the tab key?
  227. # [19:55] <@davidb> yes, before clicking
  228. # [19:55] <MattN> I don't see focus but if I use the down arrow, the blue selection moves in the bookmark tree
  229. # [19:55] <@davidb> MattN, oh! it does work for me - i just can't see focus
  230. # [19:55] <MattN> I think the focus rect being invisible in the prefs is a known issue
  231. # [19:56] <@davidb> MattN, ok i'll comment
  232. # [19:56] <@davidb> MattN, any idea why colors and font etc wasn't inline for me?
  233. # [19:56] <MattN> I figured that was just the bitrot issue
  234. # [19:56] <@davidb> ok
  235. # [19:56] <MattN> the font one wasn't one I converted though IIRC
  236. # [19:57] <MattN> because it was more complicated
  237. # [19:57] <MattN> the color one should work
  238. # [19:57] <@davidb> ok
  239. # [19:58] <MattN> make sure content.js uses gSubDialog.open instead of openDialog
  240. # [19:58] <@davidb> MattN, thanks very much for reaching out - getting a11y+ in before landing is the way to go.
  241. # [19:58] <MattN> for the ones I changed
  242. # [19:58] <@davidb> i will have to check in about 100 mins
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  244. # [19:58] <MattN> ok, I will probably have a new patch with feedback addressed
  245. # [19:58] <@davidb> excellent
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