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- # Session Start: Wed Jul 30 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:00] <eeejay> yash_, i'll give it try now
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- # [02:10] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1044111 from --- to FIXED.
- # [02:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1044111 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [02:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1044111 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [02:11] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1044111 — FIXED, birunthan — Collapse test-only moz.build files under accessible/ into ancestor moz.build files
- # [02:12] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1045081 from --- to FIXED.
- # [02:13] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1045081 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [02:13] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1045081 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [02:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045081 — FIXED, tete009+bugzilla — TextRange.cpp failed to compile on VS2013: error C2872
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- # [08:49] <@firebot> bogdan.maris@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 1011736 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [08:49] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1011736 — FIXED, jwei — crash in mozilla::a11y::Accessible::Shutdown()
- # [09:06] <@firebot> bogdan.maris@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 906589 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [09:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/906589 — FIXED, surkov.alexander — crash in nsIContent::HasAttr(int, nsIAtom*)
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- # [11:16] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1031184 from nobody@mozilla.org to eric@pagefault.se.
- # [11:16] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 1031184 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [11:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1031184 — ASSIGNED, eric — Introduce a NativeDescription method to more easily customize accessible descriptions for various cl
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- # [14:15] <@MarcoZ> Good morning yzen!
- # [14:15] <@yzen> MarcoZ morning
- # [14:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Thanks for also heavily weighing in on bug 1042083! I still don't get what the actual goal is, and what the use cases are, why the colleagues are doing this crazy stuff. :/
- # [14:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1042083 — FIXED, etienne — Implement App Titlebar
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- # [14:16] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya i m gonna ask what exactly would the difference between the 2 codepaths
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- # [15:14] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ, got your email
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- # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
- # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I am very curious about that explanation as well!
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- # [16:27] <@MarcoZ> Spent some time testing latest Firefox for Android nightlies. No breakages. :)
- # [16:32] <@davidb> yzen, thanks for chat, i'm catching up on the bug now /cc MarcoZ
- # [16:33] <@yzen> MarcoZ awesome , i think bug 1030470 is going to be getting in soon, so that will be something to watch for
- # [16:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — NEW, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
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- # [16:53] <@davidb> one possible messy approach i really am reluctant to even paste http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b44289e756fc
- # [16:57] <@davidb> yzen, is there a Gaia developers guide?
- # [16:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: what part of that is messy?
- # [16:58] <@yzen> this ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Developing_Gaia
- # [16:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde, the use case, keeping hit regions updated with visual transformations
- # [16:59] <@davidb> yzen, thanks
- # [16:59] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
- # [17:03] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Oh I'm watching that bug closely! :)
- # [17:03] <@yzen> MarcoZ i actually have a usability question for you
- # [17:03] <@yzen> MarcoZ : so you might know that there are several volume channels in gaia: telephony, content, notification etc
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- # [17:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ depending on the app context volume buttons change different ones
- # [17:04] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes.
- # [17:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ im trying to fix the screen reader volume issues so i am thinking of using an audio.volume.tts channel
- # [17:05] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I think Android does it similarly. When TalkBack speaks, and you change the volume, its volume is changed AFAICT.
- # [17:05] <@MarcoZ> When it doesn't speak, you change the music playback or whatever relevant volume channel is active atm.
- # [17:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ sure but what if you are on the call, does the call volume change as well ?
- # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I've honestly never tried that.
- # [17:06] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya so my concern is around changing 2 channel volumes at the same time
- # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I believe the volume that gets changed on Android and iOS is that of the volume, not the over-all volume of the TTS or playback.
- # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> yzen: iOS does something like that. When you change the volume with the volume buttons while VoiceOver speaks, it changes the VO volume, but also the other volume relative to VoiceOver's, too.
- # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> yzen: VoiceOver also has a volume rotor setting which only changes the VO volume, leaves the others untouched, so the relative volume ratio is adjusted.
- # [17:09] <@yzen> MarcoZ ok so when you say other volume relative to VoiceOver, what do you mean by that ?
- # [17:10] <@yzen> you mean volume of something happening in parallel to VO ?
- # [17:22] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, like earcons, or system sounds, or audio playback etc.
- # [17:22] <@yzen> MarcoZ ok so this is then what im thinking: whenever the volume button are touched, the tts volume will always change if it is currently speaking?
- # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes.
- # [17:25] <@yzen> MarcoZ awesome :)
- # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> :)
- # [17:27] <@MarcoZ> OMG was just looking at the first bits of the patch for bug 1030470. I shouldn't have. ;)
- # [17:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — NEW, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
- # [17:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ ya we are moving all the l10n to gaia, and making AccessFu very lightweight
- # [17:29] <@yzen> sounds and vibration and all will be handled in gaia too
- # [17:29] <@yzen> AccessFu will basically have an event based API for its clients
- # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And what about Firefox for Android?
- # [17:32] <@yzen> MarcoZ firefox android basically stays as it is for now, we need to see if we can leverage some native l10n there and if so we will start supporting it as well
- # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Well, AccessFu is already localized on FF for Android. So there is not much need to change anything.
- # [17:33] <@MarcoZ> Or do you think this should all move into GeckoAccessibility.java?
- # [17:33] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah, but eeejay was saying there were some recent changes to android which will let us do less heavy lifting
- # [17:34] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Stuff coming in Android L?
- # [17:34] <@yzen> not sure
- # [17:34] <@MarcoZ> Well, we'll still have to be backwards-compatible to older versions, so the heavy-lifting won't go away soon I think.
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- # [20:45] <@yzen> eeejay, eeejay1 ready any time
- # [20:45] <eeejay> yzen, cool. give me 5
- # [20:46] <@yzen> ok
- # [20:53] <eeejay> yzen, plugging in now
- # [20:53] <@yzen> ok
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- # [22:00] <eeejay> yzen, i'm getting ERROR Failed to get a string from a bundle for grouping
- # [22:00] <eeejay> with the android presenter
- # [22:02] <@yzen> eeejay interesting
- # [22:03] <@yzen> we have it in roleRuleMap but not in the properties file
- # [22:03] <eeejay> yzen, yeah. the previous assumption is that unlocalized roles are simply not verbalized
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- # [22:04] <@yzen> eeejay so should it remain the same ?
- # [22:05] <@yzen> i had a strict option previously to account for that, i can re-introduce that
- # [22:05] <eeejay> yzen, maybe a warning, and return an empty string?
- # [22:06] <@yzen> eeejay that's what happens though, we catch it, log exception and return str in finally , which is '' by default
- # [22:06] <@yzen> eeejay or you mean just a warning ?
- # [22:07] <eeejay> oh, yeah
- # [22:07] <eeejay> yzen, maybe. or silent
- # [22:07] <eeejay> or ebug
- # [22:07] <eeejay> debug
- # [22:07] <@yzen> eeejay sounds good
- # [22:08] <@yzen> eeejay do you want me to mark you for re-review then ?
- # [22:08] <eeejay> yzen, nope
- # [22:08] <@yzen> ok
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