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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 01 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:13] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1047076 filed by wmccloskey@mozilla.com.
  4. # [00:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1047076 — NEW, wmccloskey — Disable e10s if screen reader is installed
  5. # [01:07] <yash_> eeejay: hey, you there?
  6. # [01:07] <eeejay> yash_, hi
  7. # [01:08] <yash_> eeejay: I talked with TimAbraldes regarding the try fail, he suggested to talk with the the #build people
  8. # [01:09] <eeejay> yash_, great
  9. # [01:10] <yash_> But, It's taking a lot more than expected time
  10. # [01:10] <yash_> eeejay: and yeah, I have started working for the Mac also.
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  18. # [01:21] <eeejay> yash_, great!
  19. # [01:22] <yash_> eeejay: Did you try the patch on your local system, if that's possible?
  20. # [01:22] <eeejay> yash_, i don't have a win dev machine to build it on. i am relying on try :P
  21. # [01:23] <yash_> eeejay: oh
  22. # [01:24] <yash_> eeejay: actually, the code review is also getting delayed due to this.
  23. # [01:24] <eeejay> yash_, yes. correct. it will need to build on try before we send this for review
  24. # [01:25] <yash_> eeejay: hmm..that's why I started for mac while this is going on.
  25. # [01:26] <eeejay> yash_, ok. that sounds good. let me know when you resolve something. i'll take another look at the windows patch tomorrow for feedback (without actual testing)
  26. # [01:27] <yash_> eeejay: Sure.
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  43. # [05:14] <@firebot> alive@mozilla.com requested needinfo from yzenevich@mozilla.com on bug 1030465.
  44. # [05:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030465 — NEW, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Volume change should update the screen reader volume.
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  97. # [14:58] <@davidb> heyo
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  99. # [15:26] <@tbsaunde> heya
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  103. # [15:37] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(yzenevich@mozilla.com) on bug 1030465.
  104. # [15:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030465 — NEW, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Volume change should update the screen reader volume.
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  107. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> Good day tbsaunde, davidb, yzen, surkov! :)
  108. # [15:50] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
  109. # [15:51] <@davidb> hi hi hi hi hi
  110. # [15:51] <@davidb> yzen, linux caffe closed right?
  111. # [15:51] <@davidb> a while ago?
  112. # [15:51] <@yzen> yeah
  113. # [15:51] <@davidb> what is there now?
  114. # [15:52] <@yzen> the original owner's nephew took over and basically revamped it into something uninteresting
  115. # [15:52] <@davidb> boo
  116. # [15:52] <@yzen> yeah
  117. # [15:53] <@surkov> hey, MarcoZ!
  118. # [15:58] <@yzen> MarcoZ question for you about this bug 1030405
  119. # [15:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030405 — NEW — Dialer phone number text area should not say entry.
  120. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes?
  121. # [16:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ i was just comparing how things are announced with VO
  122. # [16:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ main difference is that we *always* announce the role
  123. # [16:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ i wonder if we can be smarter about it accessfu
  124. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I totally missed when this bug was filed, and was wondering who thought it wrong that the role be announced here. After all it is an entry field where a number is being input.
  125. # [16:01] <@yzen> MarcoZ eeejay thought it's confusing because it's readonly
  126. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> It isn't. You tap on it, and you have a keyboard that changes it, right? It's just that it is a number pad.
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  128. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> yzen: ^
  129. # [16:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ not in the phone app, in the phone app the keypad is present always , and the phone entry just displays it
  130. # [16:05] <@MarcoZ> Yes but conceptually, a keypad changes the contents of another field. So in a strict sense, this is still an entry field. :)
  131. # [16:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: ^
  132. # [16:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I don't see much difference to other fields, only that there is a regular keyboard with these other fields.
  133. # [16:15] <@yzen> MarcoZ right
  134. # [16:16] <@yzen> so i think it should be resolved as invalid then, MarcoZ , but do we want to report it's readonly ?
  135. # [16:17] <@yzen> MarcoZ i think entry makes sense especially when we ll have the ability to copy/paste the number in there ?
  136. # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes I think this bug is invalid. :)
  137. # [16:33] <@yzen> ok
  138. # [16:39] <@yzen> MarcoZ and regarding the read only state ?
  139. # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hm, you could try overriding with aria-readonly="false" and see if that wins. Not sure if the priority is still aria over native in this regard.
  140. # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> Or let me see if that is the correct attribute...
  141. # [16:47] <@yzen> MarcoZ sorry what i meant was if accessfu should report dead only state, atm it does not
  142. # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yes, correct attribute: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#aria-readonly
  143. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I think AccessFu should report read-only states of editables, yes.
  144. # [16:48] <@yzen> ok
  145. # [16:48] <@yzen> ill file a bug
  146. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Not all elements, since by default all text leafs and other stuff are, but editable text fields and entries etc. should have read-only reported if it is present.
  147. # [16:48] <@yzen> ya i m gonna file for text area and entry
  148. # [16:50] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1047428 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  149. # [16:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1047428 — NEW — [AccessFu] Report read only state for editables.
  150. # [17:05] <@firebot> mmucci@mozilla.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 1043372.
  151. # [17:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — NEW — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
  152. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> 50 minutes till meeting X.
  153. # [17:17] <@davidb> who is taking point? eeejay called the meeting IIRC so probably should run it?
  154. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> I think he will be.
  155. # [17:18] <@davidb> ok
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  157. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Probably he and yzen in tandem.
  158. # [17:18] <@davidb> ack
  159. # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> arg I hate software
  160. # [17:20] <eeejay> davidb, yeah
  161. # [17:21] <eeejay> yzen, where is does the -moz-element element live?
  162. # [17:21] <@yzen> eeejay https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/system/style/app_titlebar.css#L10
  163. # [17:23] <eeejay> thanks
  164. # [17:27] <eeejay> yzen, MarcoZ, is there a bug open yet for the software home button?
  165. # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> eeejayNot sure.
  166. # [17:28] <@yzen> eeejay I m fixing it :)
  167. # [17:28] <@yzen> right this moment
  168. # [17:28] <@yzen> didnt open yet
  169. # [17:28] <eeejay> good thing i asked!
  170. # [17:28] <@yzen> hehe
  171. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: yzen: It is surprising that, after so many visibility fixes, such new widgets still are being implemented wrong.
  172. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> And dismal.
  173. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> Sometimes makes one feel like all one does is preach to walls.
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  175. # [17:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah, but i m writing a test to go along with it so at least we wont regress there
  176. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> yzen: +1000
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  180. # [17:59] <@davidb> have a nice meeting guys
  181. # [18:00] <@MarcoZ> Thanks!
  182. # [18:01] <eeejay> davidb, thanks! you could join too
  183. # [18:01] <@davidb> got a conflict
  184. # [18:01] <@davidb> keep me in reserves :)
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  194. # [18:36] <eeejay> not too bad..
  195. # [18:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So what's that deal with the small and bigger status bar?
  196. # [18:37] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i think it kind of expands and contracts when you start scrolling down
  197. # [18:37] <@MarcoZ> Oh...Like the dynamic thingies in mobile browsers nowadays that only pop out when on the first or last screen of a page.
  198. # [18:39] <@MarcoZ> OK...I trust you guys on this one! I'll go off into my weekend now! Have a great extra day off, Toronto peeps!
  199. # [18:39] <eeejay> MarcoZ, thanks for sticking around. have a good weekend!
  200. # [18:40] <@MarcoZ> Thanks eeejay, you too!
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  206. # [18:48] <eeejay> yzen, not too bad, right?
  207. # [18:49] <@yzen> eeejay ya was thinking separate elements can work for us
  208. # [18:49] <eeejay> yzen, that with some aria-labelledby should do the trick
  209. # [18:50] <@yzen> yeah
  210. # [18:54] <@davidb> or aria-proxyfor :)
  211. # [18:59] <@davidb> aria-imageelementproxyhack
  212. # [18:59] <@davidb> hi maxli
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  215. # [19:54] <slee> davidb: ping
  216. # [19:54] <@davidb> slee, pong
  217. # [19:54] <slee> davidb: can I ask a general bugzilla q?
  218. # [19:55] <slee> So I created bug Bug 1047341 and now want to resolve it fixed
  219. # [19:55] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1047341 — UNCONFIRMED — [flatfish] Tablet not being seen by Ubuntu 12.04 when hotplugging
  220. # [19:55] <slee> but it wont let me do that. Perhaps as is unconfirmed
  221. # [19:55] <slee> what can I do?
  222. # [19:55] <slee> davidb: ^^
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  225. # [19:56] * slee how rude
  226. # [19:58] <@yzen> :)
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  229. # [19:59] <@yzen> slee it's probably a permission problem
  230. # [19:59] * @davidb shakes fist at internet connection
  231. # [19:59] <@davidb> slee, try again.
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  233. # [19:59] <slee> davidb: actually I leave it open as I thnk the hardware DOES have a problem.
  234. # [20:00] <slee> just adding comments
  235. # [20:00] <@davidb> ok well anyways, you now have the power, and the great responsibility
  236. # [20:01] <@davidb> (how on earth did you not already have it)
  237. # [20:01] <slee> davidb: ooooh lots of options now!!!!!
  238. # [20:01] <slee> dunno
  239. # [20:01] <slee> davidb: PS did you see my email about the new vouching?
  240. # [20:02] <@davidb> slee, yes I PMed you but not sure if i had a connection then
  241. # [20:02] <@davidb> do you see a private msg?
  242. # [20:02] <slee> no
  243. # [20:02] <@davidb> solved.
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  248. # [21:09] <@yzen> eeejay ping
  249. # [21:09] <eeejay> yzen, pong
  250. # [21:11] <@yzen> eeejay nvm :)
  251. # [21:11] <eeejay> :)
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