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  21. # [02:26] <eeejay> yzen, am i in the right vidyo room?
  22. # [02:27] <@yzen> getting there
  23. # [02:28] <eeejay> yzen, we are in rob's room (don't call him directly)
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  32. # [03:04] <eeejay> yzen, g'night!
  33. # [03:04] <@yzen> eeejay thanks, fyi i was thinking of putting in the l10n patch into gecko today, unless i should hold off for a bit ?
  34. # [03:05] <eeejay> yzen, sounds good! try is happy? I'll rebuild and test tomorrow
  35. # [03:05] <eeejay> fyi. i am dealing with settings markup, cleaning up the <small> tag placement
  36. # [03:05] <@yzen> eeejay yeah, ill wait for try and if all good will commit it
  37. # [03:05] <@yzen> ok tty tomorrow
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  83. # [14:09] <@davidb> heyo
  84. # [14:18] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  85. # [14:18] <@davidb> hi hi
  86. # [14:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Already at the office?
  87. # [14:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ, nope wfm next 3 days to make up for disappearing next week (wink)
  88. # [14:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Gotcha! :)
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  90. # [14:24] <@tbsaunde> davidb: just tell your family to be less demanding ;p
  91. # [14:25] <@davidb> s'ok, i like being able to have lunch with my little one
  92. # [14:27] <@tbsaunde> yeah, wfh is nice, I'm just teasing
  93. # [14:28] <@davidb> ;p
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  101. # [14:47] <@davidb> firebot: 0x5a5a5a5e?
  102. # [14:47] <@firebot> davidb: 0x5A5A5A5E = 1515870814, 013226455136, 0b1011010010110100101101001011110
  103. # [14:48] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1048240 from --- to FIXED.
  104. # [14:48] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1048240 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  105. # [14:48] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1048240 from --- to mozilla34.
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  107. # [14:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1048240 — FIXED, ehsan — Fix more bad implicit constructors in accessible
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  135. # [15:36] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1030470 from --- to FIXED.
  136. # [15:37] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1030470 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  137. # [15:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
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  143. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> Hi yzen!
  144. # [15:58] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi :)
  145. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So, the biggie landed, eh? :) bug 1030470
  146. # [15:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
  147. # [16:00] <@yzen> MarcoZ yep , should be on nightly shortly :)
  148. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Is this a change in policy, marking a bug as resolved fixed when it lands on inbound?
  149. # [16:01] <@yzen> MarcoZ oooops, that's gaia :) gonna reopen it
  150. # [16:02] <@yzen> MarcoZ thanks for spotting
  151. # [16:02] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1030470 from FIXED to ---.
  152. # [16:02] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1030470 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  153. # [16:03] <@yzen> firebot is so awesome :)
  154. # [16:03] <@firebot> yzen: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is so awesome :)' might be.
  155. # [16:09] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I had a question this morning from archaeopteryx (hope I spelled that right) about whether the braille abbreviated strings have to be the same in all languages. I thought our code was smart enough to actually find those roles and other strings that need braille abbreviations, and if not available, just fall back to the regular ones, in a way that is language-agnostic. So one could have...
  156. # [16:09] <@MarcoZ> ...different abbreviated sets of strings in different languages.
  157. # [16:11] <@yzen> MarcoZ well not any more, as we are not evaluating string in gecko.. we now have 2 sets for roles: with and without the Abbr prefix, they can be the same (in cases where we had no Abbr available before) or shorter (as before)
  158. # [16:12] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hm, okay...Not sure how to relay that to the translators.
  159. # [16:14] <@yzen> MarcoZ well i think our abbreviations where language dependent anyways like table -> tbl for example, which maybe means they should make a judgement call when localizing, if there's a shorter abbreviation that is commonly understandable in the particular language they should use it, if not, they should keep the full role name ?
  160. # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> yzen: So, the rule sets have to be in sync now? E. g. we have to have a braille role and a speech role name for everything?
  161. # [16:16] <@yzen> yes, if one is missing we ll see a warning
  162. # [16:16] <@yzen> if in debug mode
  163. # [16:21] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK.
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  165. # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Reading the patches of bug 1030470 to see if I actually get what you were doing. Basicaly you've turned all speech generation into JSON objects that get fed from somewhere else with actual strings, right?
  166. # [16:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — REOPENED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
  167. # [16:28] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes
  168. # [16:29] <@MarcoZ> yzen: OK, and only when we're still running in Android we actually pull the stuff from the string bundle that Gecko has.
  169. # [16:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ accessfu now has an API for it's B2G presenter that emits mozChromeEvents
  170. # [16:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes correct
  171. # [16:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ the json is part of the above event detail , so gaia or something else can deal with it
  172. # [16:29] * @MarcoZ is totally blown away by what is possible in JS nowadays without a single line of C++ code. ;)
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  174. # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Ah, and the tests now actually test for the keywords, not the actual localized English strings for roles and our other constructs. And Gaia, or Android, or whoever, are responsible to deliver the relevant actual strings for those keywords back to AccessFu to speak, right?
  175. # [16:35] <@yzen> MarcoZ almost. Android strings are generated in AccessFu as you said before; we don't actually talk back to AccessFu but it's in the plans. Currently we use speech synthesis in gaia directly through our system accessibility component there
  176. # [16:35] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Ah, so the speech is now actually generated in Gaia rather than AccessFu.
  177. # [16:35] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes
  178. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> Interesting...
  179. # [16:38] <@yzen> MarcoZ so lets say we have a 3rd party that speech synthesis etc it is now possible in gaia
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  181. # [16:45] <@MarcoZ> Nice! :)
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  186. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> Had his trip reminder for Toronto from Egencia in the inbox this morning. Things I like to see! :)
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  212. # [20:59] <@tbsaunde> davidb: feel like looking at treehearder accessibility?
  213. # [20:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde, treehearder?
  214. # [21:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: the tbpl replacement thing
  215. # [21:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde, oh, sure, where can i do that?
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  218. # [21:02] <@yzen> eeejay ready whenever you have time
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  220. # [21:02] <@eeejay> yzen, cool. opening opentok now
  221. # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: sample link https://treeherder.mozilla.org/ui/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=4b2330a04750
  222. # [21:11] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1030468 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  223. # [21:11] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030468 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] VC rectangle needs to work with scaled content
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  225. # [21:27] <@davidb> eeejay, do you know if there is a gaia sister bug to bug 1016539?
  226. # [21:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1016539 — NEW, jmuizelaar — Add support for accelerated inverted color rendering
  227. # [21:28] <@eeejay> davidb, no. i don't think there is
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  229. # [21:29] <@davidb> eeejay, i think you might be on the hook for that? (see comment 15) :)
  230. # [21:29] <@eeejay> ah damn
  231. # [21:29] <@eeejay> yeah. i'll open one now
  232. # [21:29] <@davidb> awesome, please mention/link it in the bug
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  234. # [22:05] <@davidb> ty
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