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  8. # [00:13] <satdav> tbsaunde, or eeejay you about
  9. # [00:16] <satdav> guigs2, I am thinking you might be better to email dbolter@mozilla.com hes based in toronto
  10. # [00:16] <satdav> hes the ally managed
  11. # [00:16] <satdav> manager
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  13. # [00:18] <guigs2> will do, thank you for the tip satdav :-)
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  42. # [05:40] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1030470 from --- to FIXED.
  43. # [05:41] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1030470 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  44. # [05:41] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1030470 from --- to mozilla34.
  45. # [05:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
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  56. # [10:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 990039.
  57. # [10:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — NEW — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
  58. # [10:29] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 962007.
  59. # [10:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Trying to manipulate the Click-To-Play doorhanger no longer works with the keyboard
  60. # [10:32] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 990045.
  61. # [10:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
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  73. # [13:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
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  84. # [14:17] <@davidb> heyo!
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  87. # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com cancelled needinfo?(jdiggs@igalia.com) on bug 947265.
  88. # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com changed the Resolution on bug 947265 from --- to INCOMPLETE.
  89. # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com changed the Status on bug 947265 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  90. # [14:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/947265 — INCOMPLETE — Endless focus grabs when tabbing to entries on a github gist
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  95. # [14:50] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  96. # [14:50] <@davidb> hi hi
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  98. # [14:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I just uncovered how Amazon does the magic in their Kindle app on Android and on their own devices where you can explore word by word in a text book. Looks like they just mark it inaccessible to TalkBack and do bloody self-voicing magic. Capture the gesture and speak the words as a finger passes over them.
  99. # [14:51] <@MarcoZ> And there I was wondering for months how they'd utilized the Android a11y APIs to make that work. Looks like they didn't at all.
  100. # [14:52] <@davidb> well huh.
  101. # [14:52] <@MarcoZ> maxli: In case you're curious what some people do to make their stuff accessible on Android (that is, if you still care), read my above messages to davidb. ;)
  102. # [14:52] <@davidb> note we could always ask peter korn in the future... i think he is running a11y there now.
  103. # [14:53] <@MarcoZ> He is. I just don't know how closed-sourced (and therefore closed-mouthed) they are, want, or have, to be.
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  105. # [14:54] <@MarcoZ> I guess they really didn't have much other choice. And I bet that's also how they made the Silk browser accessible on their Kindle devices.
  106. # [14:54] <@davidb> yeah
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  108. # [15:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 738221 from nobody@mozilla.org to rimjhim.mazumder17@gmail.com.
  109. # [15:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 738221 from mozilla14 to ---.
  110. # [15:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/738221 — NEW, rimjhim.mazumder17 — get rid nsIAccessibilityService
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  117. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Ah, a general IRC clean-up. ;)
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  124. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> Happy flying off IRC today.
  125. # [15:26] <@davidb> MarcoZ, hmmm?
  126. # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Lost connection to IRC twice within 15 minutes.
  127. # [15:28] <@davidb> ahh
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  130. # [16:06] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from enndeakin@gmail.com on bug 990045.
  131. # [16:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
  132. # [16:23] <Gijs> MarcoZ: do you have a test page for CTP for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962007 ?
  133. # [16:23] <@firebot> Bug 962007 — NEW — Trying to manipulate the Click-To-Play doorhanger no longer works with the keyboard
  134. # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: I believe I was seeing this all over the place, when Youtube wanted Flash, or I think I was on Google Translate, which wanted it, too.
  135. # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> I also may have seen this in an instance where someone wanted to run the Java plugin.
  136. # [16:26] <@MarcoZ> Anyway, this CTP seems to be a two-step process, once you allow, and then you get another set of buttons with "Allow once", "Allow always" etc., and that one is totally keyboard inaccessible when it comes up.
  137. # [16:26] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Thanks so much for jumping on these!
  138. # [16:28] <Gijs> MarcoZ: but flash is allowed by default, right?
  139. # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Flash is set to "ask" by default I believe.
  140. # [16:31] <Gijs> MarcoZ: uh, really?
  141. # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> And when you say "Allow" for a particular site, you get those other options.
  142. # [16:32] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Yes.
  143. # [16:32] * Gijs grabs a clean profile
  144. # [16:34] <Gijs> MarcoZ: isn't for me, clean profile, current nightly...
  145. # [16:35] <Gijs> MarcoZ: if I manually open the doorhanger and click "Block", and reload the page, the doorhanger doesn't open automatically... :|
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  147. # [16:42] <Gijs> MarcoZ: OK, managed to reproduce now... I can always tab around and activate that way, but access keys don't work...
  148. # [16:42] * Gijs pokes some more
  149. # [16:42] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Phew!
  150. # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: But now you get a glimpse of why I and other blind Firefox users find these so frustrating. And for each thing, the doorhangers behave differently. From CTP to WebRTC to passwords to ...
  151. # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hi! Good news, Firefox on Android isn't broken after bug 1030470.
  152. # [16:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
  153. # [16:43] <@yzen> MarcoZ PHEW :)
  154. # [16:44] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Also in localized builds, e.g., German.
  155. # [16:44] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right...
  156. # [16:45] <Gijs> (My fiancée is now singing Queen to me because I am looking at pages that use "Flash")
  157. # [16:45] <Gijs> (sometimes working at home is... interesting)
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  159. # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Bwahahahahaha! I like the way she thinks!
  160. # [16:51] <@davidb> you should sing back to her... "Never Gonna Give You Up"
  161. # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> ROFLMAO!
  162. # [17:05] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 962007.
  163. # [17:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
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  171. # [17:29] * @MarcoZ needs to head off earlier today, doctor's appt. Nothing serious. :)
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  173. # [17:30] <Gijs> ouch, just too late to grab Marco for another question... hrmpf
  174. # [17:30] <@davidb> Gijs, you could twitter DM him
  175. # [17:30] <Gijs> davidb: well, maybe you can help...
  176. # [17:31] <Gijs> davidb: do you happen to have good STR to get the initial plugin "do you want to allow this plugin" doorhanger prompt?
  177. # [17:31] <Gijs> rather than the one that only has "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" ?
  178. # [17:31] <@davidb> not off hand
  179. # [17:31] <Gijs> maybe this has changed since bug 962007 was initially reported...
  180. # [17:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
  181. # [17:31] <@davidb> quite possible
  182. # [17:31] <Gijs> I'll just ask him for feedback on this patch
  183. # [17:32] <@davidb> ok
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  188. # [17:36] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 962007 from nobody@mozilla.org to gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com.
  189. # [17:36] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 962007 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  190. # [17:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
  191. # [17:37] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from gavin.sharp@gmail.com on bug 962007.
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  194. # [17:48] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@googlemail.com on bug 990039.
  195. # [17:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — NEW — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
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  202. # [18:21] <@davidb> interesting (re gecko caret control) https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2014-August/msg00021.html
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  204. # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 990039.
  205. # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 990039 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  206. # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 990039 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  207. # [19:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — DUPLICATE — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
  208. # [19:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1050383 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  209. # [19:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1050383 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] Support gaia edge gestures
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  221. # [21:09] <@firebot> mmucci@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(gavin.sharp@gmail.com) on bug 962007.
  222. # [21:09] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
  223. # [21:14] <Archaeopteryx> yzen: hi, i've a question concerning gaias accessibility.properties and the part about braille support and abbreviations: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/system/locales/accessibility.en-US.properties#L233
  224. # [21:14] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx sure
  225. # [21:15] <Archaeopteryx> 1. can I localize the abbreviated versions?
  226. # [21:15] <Archaeopteryx> 2. some translations are pretty long in German. I guess I am not allowed to shorted them?
  227. # [21:16] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx ya Marco and I were talking about it. I think they should be localized and shortened based on localizers judgement. so if there's a shorter abbreviation for a role in some language, it should totally be used
  228. # [21:18] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx originally when we had no abbreviation, we would defer to the full version which would be long anyways
  229. # [21:18] <Archaeopteryx> okay, thank you
  230. # [21:18] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx np
  231. # [21:23] <@eeejay> yzen, love the new m-c/master
  232. # [21:23] <@yzen> eeejay :)
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  250. # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 962007 from --- to FIXED.
  251. # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 962007 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  252. # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 962007 from --- to Firefox 34.
  253. # [23:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — FIXED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
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  255. # [23:40] <yash_> eeejay: Hey, for the whitespace issue, is doing "set ts=2 sw=2 sts=2 et cindent" in my .vimrc and then indenting the file enough? or do I need to do something more?
  256. # [23:40] <@eeejay> yash_, probably good enough. ultimately, you will need to double check for yourself.
  257. # [23:41] <yash_> eeejay: hmm, ok
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