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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:13] <satdav> tbsaunde, or eeejay you about
- # [00:16] <satdav> guigs2, I am thinking you might be better to email dbolter@mozilla.com hes based in toronto
- # [00:16] <satdav> hes the ally managed
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- # [00:18] <guigs2> will do, thank you for the tip satdav :-)
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- # [05:40] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1030470 from --- to FIXED.
- # [05:41] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1030470 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
- # [05:41] <@firebot> nigelbabu@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1030470 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [05:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
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- # [10:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 990039.
- # [10:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — NEW — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
- # [10:29] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 962007.
- # [10:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Trying to manipulate the Click-To-Play doorhanger no longer works with the keyboard
- # [10:32] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 990045.
- # [10:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
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- # [13:23] <@firebot> philipp@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(philipp@mozilla.com) on bug 1043372.
- # [13:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
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- # [14:17] <@davidb> heyo!
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- # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com cancelled needinfo?(jdiggs@igalia.com) on bug 947265.
- # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com changed the Resolution on bug 947265 from --- to INCOMPLETE.
- # [14:27] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com changed the Status on bug 947265 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [14:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/947265 — INCOMPLETE — Endless focus grabs when tabbing to entries on a github gist
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- # [14:50] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
- # [14:50] <@davidb> hi hi
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- # [14:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I just uncovered how Amazon does the magic in their Kindle app on Android and on their own devices where you can explore word by word in a text book. Looks like they just mark it inaccessible to TalkBack and do bloody self-voicing magic. Capture the gesture and speak the words as a finger passes over them.
- # [14:51] <@MarcoZ> And there I was wondering for months how they'd utilized the Android a11y APIs to make that work. Looks like they didn't at all.
- # [14:52] <@davidb> well huh.
- # [14:52] <@MarcoZ> maxli: In case you're curious what some people do to make their stuff accessible on Android (that is, if you still care), read my above messages to davidb. ;)
- # [14:52] <@davidb> note we could always ask peter korn in the future... i think he is running a11y there now.
- # [14:53] <@MarcoZ> He is. I just don't know how closed-sourced (and therefore closed-mouthed) they are, want, or have, to be.
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- # [14:54] <@MarcoZ> I guess they really didn't have much other choice. And I bet that's also how they made the Silk browser accessible on their Kindle devices.
- # [14:54] <@davidb> yeah
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- # [15:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 738221 from nobody@mozilla.org to rimjhim.mazumder17@gmail.com.
- # [15:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 738221 from mozilla14 to ---.
- # [15:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/738221 — NEW, rimjhim.mazumder17 — get rid nsIAccessibilityService
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- # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Ah, a general IRC clean-up. ;)
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- # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> Happy flying off IRC today.
- # [15:26] <@davidb> MarcoZ, hmmm?
- # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Lost connection to IRC twice within 15 minutes.
- # [15:28] <@davidb> ahh
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- # [16:06] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from enndeakin@gmail.com on bug 990045.
- # [16:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
- # [16:23] <Gijs> MarcoZ: do you have a test page for CTP for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=962007 ?
- # [16:23] <@firebot> Bug 962007 — NEW — Trying to manipulate the Click-To-Play doorhanger no longer works with the keyboard
- # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: I believe I was seeing this all over the place, when Youtube wanted Flash, or I think I was on Google Translate, which wanted it, too.
- # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> I also may have seen this in an instance where someone wanted to run the Java plugin.
- # [16:26] <@MarcoZ> Anyway, this CTP seems to be a two-step process, once you allow, and then you get another set of buttons with "Allow once", "Allow always" etc., and that one is totally keyboard inaccessible when it comes up.
- # [16:26] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Thanks so much for jumping on these!
- # [16:28] <Gijs> MarcoZ: but flash is allowed by default, right?
- # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Flash is set to "ask" by default I believe.
- # [16:31] <Gijs> MarcoZ: uh, really?
- # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> And when you say "Allow" for a particular site, you get those other options.
- # [16:32] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Yes.
- # [16:32] * Gijs grabs a clean profile
- # [16:34] <Gijs> MarcoZ: isn't for me, clean profile, current nightly...
- # [16:35] <Gijs> MarcoZ: if I manually open the doorhanger and click "Block", and reload the page, the doorhanger doesn't open automatically... :|
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- # [16:42] <Gijs> MarcoZ: OK, managed to reproduce now... I can always tab around and activate that way, but access keys don't work...
- # [16:42] * Gijs pokes some more
- # [16:42] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Phew!
- # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: But now you get a glimpse of why I and other blind Firefox users find these so frustrating. And for each thing, the doorhangers behave differently. From CTP to WebRTC to passwords to ...
- # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Hi! Good news, Firefox on Android isn't broken after bug 1030470.
- # [16:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030470 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Accessfu.properties localization needs to work in Gaia.
- # [16:43] <@yzen> MarcoZ PHEW :)
- # [16:44] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Also in localized builds, e.g., German.
- # [16:44] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right...
- # [16:45] <Gijs> (My fiancée is now singing Queen to me because I am looking at pages that use "Flash")
- # [16:45] <Gijs> (sometimes working at home is... interesting)
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- # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Bwahahahahaha! I like the way she thinks!
- # [16:51] <@davidb> you should sing back to her... "Never Gonna Give You Up"
- # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> ROFLMAO!
- # [17:05] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 962007.
- # [17:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
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- # [17:29] * @MarcoZ needs to head off earlier today, doctor's appt. Nothing serious. :)
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- # [17:30] <Gijs> ouch, just too late to grab Marco for another question... hrmpf
- # [17:30] <@davidb> Gijs, you could twitter DM him
- # [17:30] <Gijs> davidb: well, maybe you can help...
- # [17:31] <Gijs> davidb: do you happen to have good STR to get the initial plugin "do you want to allow this plugin" doorhanger prompt?
- # [17:31] <Gijs> rather than the one that only has "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" ?
- # [17:31] <@davidb> not off hand
- # [17:31] <Gijs> maybe this has changed since bug 962007 was initially reported...
- # [17:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — NEW — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
- # [17:31] <@davidb> quite possible
- # [17:31] <Gijs> I'll just ask him for feedback on this patch
- # [17:32] <@davidb> ok
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- # [17:36] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 962007 from nobody@mozilla.org to gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com.
- # [17:36] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 962007 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [17:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
- # [17:37] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from gavin.sharp@gmail.com on bug 962007.
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- # [17:48] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@googlemail.com on bug 990039.
- # [17:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — NEW — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
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- # [18:21] <@davidb> interesting (re gecko caret control) https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2014-August/msg00021.html
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- # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 990039.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 990039 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 990039 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990039 — DUPLICATE — Door hanger for Click To Play not fully keyboard accessible
- # [19:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1050383 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [19:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1050383 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] Support gaia edge gestures
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- # [21:09] <@firebot> mmucci@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(gavin.sharp@gmail.com) on bug 962007.
- # [21:09] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
- # [21:14] <Archaeopteryx> yzen: hi, i've a question concerning gaias accessibility.properties and the part about braille support and abbreviations: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/system/locales/accessibility.en-US.properties#L233
- # [21:14] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx sure
- # [21:15] <Archaeopteryx> 1. can I localize the abbreviated versions?
- # [21:15] <Archaeopteryx> 2. some translations are pretty long in German. I guess I am not allowed to shorted them?
- # [21:16] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx ya Marco and I were talking about it. I think they should be localized and shortened based on localizers judgement. so if there's a shorter abbreviation for a role in some language, it should totally be used
- # [21:18] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx originally when we had no abbreviation, we would defer to the full version which would be long anyways
- # [21:18] <Archaeopteryx> okay, thank you
- # [21:18] <@yzen> Archaeopteryx np
- # [21:23] <@eeejay> yzen, love the new m-c/master
- # [21:23] <@yzen> eeejay :)
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- # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 962007 from --- to FIXED.
- # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 962007 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [23:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 962007 from --- to Firefox 34.
- # [23:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962007 — FIXED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Accesskeys don't let you activate the click-to-play "Allow Now" and "Allow and Remember" buttons
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- # [23:40] <yash_> eeejay: Hey, for the whitespace issue, is doing "set ts=2 sw=2 sts=2 et cindent" in my .vimrc and then indenting the file enough? or do I need to do something more?
- # [23:40] <@eeejay> yash_, probably good enough. ultimately, you will need to double check for yourself.
- # [23:41] <yash_> eeejay: hmm, ok
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