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  57. # [09:35] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro cancelled needinfo?(paul.silaghi@softvision.ro) on bug 1051882.
  58. # [09:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1051882 — NEW — [Linux] Accesskeys don't let you activate the CTP doorhanger buttons
  59. # [10:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 971144 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  60. # [10:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 971144 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  61. # [10:10] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/971144 — WORKSFORME — Intermittent test_HTMLSpec.html | Different amount of expected children of ['figure@id="figure" node
  62. # [10:12] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 936176 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  63. # [10:12] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 936176 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  64. # [10:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/936176 — WORKSFORME — Intermittent test_focus_autocomplete.xul | uncaught exception - NS_NOINTERFACE: 'Component does not
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  68. # [10:45] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1051882 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  69. # [10:45] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1051882 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  70. # [10:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1051882 — WORKSFORME — [Linux] Accesskeys don't let you activate the CTP doorhanger buttons
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  91. # [12:16] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org cancelled needinfo?(jamie@nvaccess.org) on bug 764757.
  92. # [12:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/764757 — NEW — NVDA announces incorrect number of items when display:inline-block; is used
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  112. # [15:07] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Just closed bug 1008989 as WFM, can no longer reproduce. :)
  113. # [15:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1008989 — WORKSFORME — Doorhangers sometimes disappear without a chance to interact with them
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  119. # [15:22] <eeejay> MarcoZ, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/eisaacson@mozilla.com-3f18984861fa/try-win32/firefox-34.0a1.en-US.win32.zip
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  122. # [15:28] <Jamie> Joanie: Surkov: So I'm envisaging a TextWalker interface with two methods:
  123. # [15:28] <Jamie> surkov: joanie: getUnitBoundaries(Accessible baseAccessible, Accessible* startAccessible, long* startOffset, Accessible* endAccessible, long* endOffset)
  124. # [15:28] <Jamie> surkov: joanie: findNextChange(Accessible startAccessible, long startOffset, Accessible endAccessible, long endOffset, Accessible* changeAccessible, long* changeOffset)
  125. # [15:30] <@surkov> why is it TextWalker, will be responsible for setting/reading selection and caret?
  126. # [15:30] <joanie> Jamie: what if there are multiple objects in the middle?
  127. # [15:30] <@surkov> it gets down
  128. # [15:30] <joanie> what orca constructs now is a list of tuples:
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  130. # [15:39] <Jamie> surkov, joanie: try this: getUnitBoundaries(Accessible accessible, long offset, Accessible* startAccessible, long* startOffset, Accessible* endAccessible, long* endOffset)
  131. # [15:39] <Jamie> getUnitBoundaries(Accessible accessible, long offset, Unit unit, Accessible* startAccessible, long* startOffset, Accessible* endAccessible, long* endOffset)
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  134. # [15:45] <joanie> http://fpaste.org/124960/
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  139. # [16:09] <Jamie> joanie: <p>a <button>b<br>c</button></p>
  140. # [16:10] <Jamie> joanie: Ideally, when you read the first line, it should say "a button b"
  141. # [16:10] <Jamie> not "a button b c"
  142. # [16:10] <Jamie> More complex: <p>a<button>b<br>c</button>d</p>
  143. # [16:10] <joanie> i'm not so sure it should
  144. # [16:10] <@surkov> created page to write down text interafce ideas: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/TextInterface.Next
  145. # [16:16] <Jamie> <p>a<span onClick="blah">b<br>c</span>d</p>
  146. # [16:16] <Jamie> and, furthermore: <p>a<span role="button" onClick="blah">b<br>c</span>d</p>
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  149. # [16:36] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1050383 from --- to FIXED.
  150. # [16:36] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1050383 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  151. # [16:36] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1050383 from --- to mozilla34.
  152. # [16:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1050383 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Support gaia edge gestures
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  157. # [16:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ, joanie, Jamie, surkov, tbsaunde, yzen, eeejay, shall we do pizza or burritos today?
  158. # [16:55] <eeejay> hum!
  159. # [16:55] <eeejay> dunno
  160. # [16:55] <@davidb> maybe we can do me va me tomorrow maybe
  161. # [16:56] <Jamie> davidb: tricky. um... err... I'm happy with either, but if I had to break a tie, I'd choose... um... burritos?
  162. # [16:56] <@davidb> ack
  163. # [16:56] <@davidb> and of course their menu is a gif
  164. # [16:58] <@surkov> if that’s a choice then I would go with burritos
  165. # [16:59] <@surkov> ie. chosing from this range
  166. # [17:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052478 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  167. # [17:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052478 — NEW — Punctuation inside embedded object breaks word offsets
  168. # [17:00] <@davidb> ok options are here:
  169. # [17:00] <@davidb> burritos
  170. # [17:00] <@davidb> flour or whole wheat
  171. # [17:00] <@davidb> toppings: rice, beans, lettuce, pico de gallo, corn, cilantro
  172. # [17:00] <@davidb> main ingredient option: black bean, pinto bean, vegetarian (house seasoned soy), dark meat chicken, chicken breast (chipotle or mole), beef (ground or finely diced steak), chorizo (sausage), pulled pork, fish, shrimp
  173. # [17:01] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 657080 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  174. # [17:01] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 657080 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  175. # [17:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/657080 — WORKSFORME — Binding CTRL+PGUP/PGDOWN cannot prevent browser tab switching
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  177. # [17:06] <eeejay> davidb: thanks! I'll have [flour, all toppings, vegetarian]
  178. # [17:07] <@yzen> flour: beans, lettuce, pico de gallo, cilantro ; dark meat chicken
  179. # [17:08] <@davidb> inaccessible menu is here: http://www.burroburrito.com/images/can_menu_big.gif
  180. # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Flour, all toppings, chicken breast mole.
  181. # [17:09] <Jamie> davidb: flour, rice, beans, lettuce, pico de gallo, chicken breast (mole). thanks!
  182. # [17:13] <@surkov> Jamie: comments/additions? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/TextInterface.Next#Text_Range_API
  183. # [17:13] <@surkov> davidb: same as yours, i.e. steak beef etc
  184. # [17:14] <@davidb> eeejay, topics: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5945295
  185. # [17:21] <Jamie> surkov: looks great. Joanie argues that no embedded objects for inlines reduces complexity greatly because anything other than inline should always break the word/line
  186. # [17:21] <Jamie> surkov: so it does sort of cover #1
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  188. # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1052000
  189. # [17:23] <@firebot> Bug 1052000 — NEW — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns more than one line when asking for the line at offset
  190. # [17:24] <@tbsaunde> davidb: chicken mole with everything on wheet
  191. # [17:24] <@davidb> ack
  192. # [17:24] <@tbsaunde> spicy
  193. # [17:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052498 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  194. # [17:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052498 — NEW — Punctuation after new line breaks embedded objects
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  198. # [17:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052504 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  199. # [17:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052504 — NEW — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns an empty line instead of the line at offset
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  201. # [17:41] <@surkov> Jamie: agree, it doens’t remove complexity at all like if AT needs to read selection spanned through paragraphs, in case of text ranges all AT should do is like getSelectionRange().getText()
  202. # [17:43] <Jamie> surkov: true, except no AT ever just wants the text. most want objects and attributes
  203. # [17:43] <Jamie> surkov: so that means you need that segmented ranges stuff
  204. # [17:44] <@surkov> Jamie: like array = getSegmentedRanges()? that seems to be still less complicated if array traversal is less complex than tree traversal
  205. # [17:45] <@surkov> Jamie, do AT needs attributes for selected text?
  206. # [17:45] <Jamie> surkov: possibly, re attribs for selected text
  207. # [17:45] <@surkov> ok
  208. # [17:46] <Jamie> surkov: but yes, inline text is still complex for selection
  209. # [17:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052513 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  210. # [17:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052513 — NEW — Selection offsets broken on descendant accessibles
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  213. # [17:57] <Jamie> surkov, joanie: Does ATK have an equivalent for IAccessible2_2::accessibleWithCaret?
  214. # [17:57] <@surkov> not yet afaik
  215. # [17:59] <Jamie> bug 573719
  216. # [17:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/573719 — NEW — IAccessible2 - Recursively finding the object containing the caret is painfully slow.
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  218. # [18:13] <eeejay> yzen, MarcoZ, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jkk6ximszso31y3/AACCYlfKSHZyi6v3DEmB951ua
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  221. # [18:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052525 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  222. # [18:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052525 — NEW — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns the previous line instead of the line at offset
  223. # [18:26] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1052498
  224. # [18:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052498 — NEW — Punctuation after new line breaks embedded objects
  225. # [18:34] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1052498
  226. # [18:35] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1052478, bug 1052498
  227. # [18:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052478 — NEW — Punctuation inside embedded object breaks word offsets
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  231. # [18:48] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 657080 from WORKSFORME to ---.
  232. # [18:48] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 657080 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  233. # [18:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/657080 — REOPENED — Binding CTRL+PGUP/PGDOWN cannot prevent browser tab switching
  234. # [18:52] <joanie> http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/14/5209622/google-has-bought-robotics-company-boston-dynamics
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  240. # [19:13] <Jamie> joanie: this one will hit you if you ever need to get the selection from a descendant inside it (e.g. you're on a link inside a paragraph and the whole paragraph is selected): bug 1052513
  241. # [19:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052513 — NEW — Selection offsets broken on descendant accessibles
  242. # [19:15] <Jamie> joanie: this one is the bug about onMouseOver, but as I said, I'm not sure yet whether this is actually a good idea (TM): bug 543932
  243. # [19:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/543932 — NEW — expose onmouseover/out and :hover pseudo file via accessible actions
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  246. # [19:23] <@davidb> tbsaunde, we could attempt your talk at 1:30
  247. # [19:25] <Jamie> joanie: this one will be relevant to you too, but it's probably related closely to some of the bugs I filed today: bug 872397
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  249. # [19:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/872397 — NEW — moving by words having @ char is inconsistent
  250. # [19:29] <eeejay> tbsaunde, e10s?
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  252. # [19:34] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1052569 filed by mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
  253. # [19:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052569 — NEW — Prevent web pages from overriding core tab/window-management shortcuts
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  283. # [20:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it’d be good to have that patch landed, it’d be good to have missed code for review
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  298. # [21:05] <eeejay> Jamie, surkov, joanie, could we talk about doAction at 4?
  299. # [21:06] <@davidb> count me in!
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  302. # [21:13] <@MarcoZ> Will be there, too!
  303. # [21:17] <@surkov> sure
  304. # [21:17] <@surkov> eeejay: do you have bug number?
  305. # [21:18] <eeejay> surkov, bug 1017322
  306. # [21:18] <eeejay> surkov, (and bug 1015379)
  307. # [21:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1017322 — NEW — mouse events via doAction don't have correct event target.
  308. # [21:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1015379 — NEW — LinkableAccessible::DoAction Does not correctly simulate mouse click
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  319. # [21:35] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 1052569.
  320. # [21:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052569 — NEW — Prevent web pages from overriding core tab/window-management shortcuts
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  323. # [21:46] <@surkov> Jamie, joanie I lean towards that we should go with TextRange approach (one extra argument: soft line break offset problem)
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  327. # [22:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what is the text supposed ot be for <p>a<input type=text>b</p> ?
  328. # [22:19] <@surkov> a* where * is embed char
  329. # [22:19] <@surkov> a*b
  330. # [22:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, and if you get text for embedd char through child its ' ' ?
  331. # [22:21] <@tbsaunde> though you kind of can't because no accessible for empty text leaf
  332. # [22:21] <joanie> but there's no ' ' there, right?
  333. # [22:21] <@surkov> yes it should empty string
  334. # [22:21] <@tbsaunde> ah, I see
  335. # [22:22] <@tbsaunde> that's kind of strange but I guess makes sense
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