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- # Session Start: Wed Aug 13 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052866 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
- # [00:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052866 — NEW — Expose IAccessibleText on tables, rows, etc.
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- # [00:58] <guigs21> hey is this the right channel to ask about an accessibility bug: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1014398
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- # [01:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1052903 filed by rmcguigan@mozilla.com.
- # [01:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052903 — NEW — 4.2 and 4.4 Talkback does not work in dropdown html elements
- # [01:25] <@MarcoZ> guigs21: I just replied with a request for some more exact steps. :)
- # [01:26] <guigs21> awesome, I could not get it to work in a drop down element, but could in the suggestions from the url bar, I hope they have more info :-)
- # [01:26] <guigs21> thank you MarcoZ
- # [01:27] <@MarcoZ> guigs21: FYI, I'm part of "they", meaning the Moz accessibility team. ;)
- # [01:27] <@MarcoZ> guigs21: On the web, no autocomplete is like the other, so it is important to know which web site you went to, what you entered etc.
- # [01:28] <guigs21> MarcoZ, it is a pleasure to meet you. ah, I can understand the ambiguity there
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- # [05:51] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053021 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
- # [05:51] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053021 — NEW, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Speed up gesture intervals. Enable a configurable responsiveness to user gestures.
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- # [15:44] <Jamie> eeejay: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5961813
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- # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Hi! Who is responsible for treeherder?
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- # [16:02] <@davidb> MarcoZ, oh good is treeherder on your list?
- # [16:02] <@davidb> for a11y review
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- # [16:13] <@davidb> Jamie, the meta bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972117
- # [16:13] <@firebot> Bug 972117 — NEW — [Meta] Doorhangers: don't auto focus, include in f6 key order
- # [16:24] <Gijs> davidb: not sure, but jgraham might know?
- # [16:24] <Gijs> err
- # [16:24] <Gijs> MarcoZ: ^^
- # [16:24] <joanie> tbsaunde: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Tools/WebKitTestRunner/InjectedBundle?order=name
- # [16:25] <joanie> That will show you how WebKit handles the problem of testing the platform a11y APIs
- # [16:25] <joanie> but without having to create an AT
- # [16:31] <joanie> Also: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Tools/TestWebKitAPI?order=name
- # [16:32] <@davidb> Gijs: Jamie and MarcoZ are surrounding me about bug 653226... i hope you guys can fit it into the next iteration :)
- # [16:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/653226 — NEW — Improve keyboard accessibility of type="menu-button" buttons
- # [16:34] <joanie> Cross platform tests live here: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/accessibility
- # [16:35] <joanie> Lastly, example of platform-specific a11y tests are here: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/platform/gtk/accessibility
- # [16:36] <Gijs> davidb: MarcoZ: requested info from the UX team
- # [16:37] <Gijs> davidb: MarcoZ: personally, I don't think the "pretend it's a menu button" suggestion is workable for mouse users, and I don't know how weird it is to do something else for keyboard users than for mouse users
- # [16:37] <Gijs> MarcoZ: for Neil's example in Windows, what do screenreaders do with that shutdown button? Is there no msaa role that covers those kinds of "split buttons" ?
- # [16:38] * Gijs kind of suspects screen readers just treat it as "special", also because it's the start menu and not an app? :(
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- # [16:43] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1016545 from --- to FIXED.
- # [16:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1016545 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [16:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1016545 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [16:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1016545 — FIXED, trev.saunders — memory leak that kills Firefox in few seconds
- # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: As I point out in the bug, the split button implementations at Microsoft's end are inconsistent, and that's the mildest description I can think of.
- # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> The least diplomatic is: They suck big deal.
- # [16:46] <Jamie> That said, there *is* a split button role
- # [16:47] <Jamie> I'm still not convinced we can't convince the world that split buttons aren't evil by doing it right (TM) :)
- # [16:47] <Jamie> Correction: there's a split button role in Windows, but probably not ATK (Linux) or Mac
- # [16:47] <Gijs> Jamie: NS_ERROR_NEGATIONS_OVERLOAD
- # [16:48] <Gijs> not convinced can't convince aren't evil?
- # [16:48] <Gijs> Jamie: what do you mean? :)
- # [16:48] <Jamie> Gijs: :) sorry
- # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: For example: The one on the start menu is anounced as a Split Button sub menu. Problem is: Blind users probably will hardly see it since they always use Alt+F4 from the desktop and get a completely different UX.
- # [16:48] <Gijs> no worries, I just... tried to parse that and then my brain broke.
- # [16:48] <Jamie> Gijs: I disagree with this. I never use alt+f4 from the desktop
- # [16:48] <Jamie> err
- # [16:48] <Jamie> last was for Marco
- # [16:49] <Jamie> Gijs: I meant: I reckon it might be possible to convince the world that split buttons aren't so evil by doing it right (TM)
- # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: OK, this was for Windows 7. Windows 8 gets rid of the announcement of role and sub menu status alltogether and just says "Shut down" or something.
- # [16:50] <Gijs> Jamie: I see. For Firefox, the lack of ATK and Mac support is going to be problematic...
- # [16:50] <Jamie> joanie: does ATK have a split button role?
- # [16:50] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: And there are split buttons in Windows Explorer which are announced completely differently than the one on the start menu. I am talking about the column headers.
- # [16:50] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I don't see any split buttons on Win8, so the announcement is correct, I think.
- # [16:50] <joanie> Jamie: I don't think so, but lemme look
- # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> There is no split button in ARIA.
- # [16:51] <Gijs> (in fact, I don't see any start menu, so I'm not sure where you're looking - I was talking about the context menu on the windows icon on the bottom left)
- # [16:51] <Gijs> (and yes, I'm on Windows 8.1 - I don't really understand what people meant by "the start menu is back" :| )
- # [16:51] <joanie> Jamie: we do not
- # [16:52] <Gijs> MarcoZ: so how are the column headers announced in explorer?
- # [16:53] * Gijs kind of assumes 2 separate buttons
- # [16:53] <Gijs> (or elements, anyway)
- # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> "Name split button collapsed". Gijs
- # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> Whereas on the Windows 7 start menu, it's "Shutdown split button sub menu".
- # [16:54] <Gijs> MarcoZ: delightful.
- # [16:54] <Gijs> (when my British-induced sarcasm gets annoying, please let me know)
- # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: No problem at all!
- # [16:54] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: I feel the same. I just think a menu button is the road of least resistance. ;)
- # [16:54] <Jamie> I think all accessibility people have a healthy dose of sarcasm. Mine's possibly unhlealthy...
- # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Oh and we can do onclick and oncommand and stuff in XUL, can't we?
- # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> So we can have different mouse and keyboard behavior for these different things. We already have two click targets on that widget anyway.
- # [16:56] <Gijs> MarcoZ: sure, we can do different behaviour, but it'd be... unusual.
- # [16:57] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I'm not really sure how this compares to what Neil's patch implements, and what UX thinks of all this
- # [16:57] <Gijs> MarcoZ: just trying to mediate and keep this flowing/going so finally we agree on doing <whatever> and then implement it
- # [16:58] <Gijs> MarcoZ: afaict the only difference with what Neil is suggesting is that you don't want <space> to activate the default action, you want it to open the menu, is that right?
- # [16:58] <Gijs> (ditto for the access key)
- # [16:58] <Gijs> (and for this to work, you'd need to ensure the default action is also in the dropdown)
- # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Right.
- # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: And remove the extraneous tabstop.
- # [16:59] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I thought Neil's plan involved 1 tabstop, too?
- # [16:59] * Gijs looks again
- # [16:59] <Gijs> MarcoZ: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653226#c14
- # [16:59] <@firebot> Bug 653226 — NEW — Improve keyboard accessibility of type="menu-button" buttons
- # [16:59] <Gijs> This patch: - removes the inner button from the tab order
- # [16:59] <Gijs> so I would assume there's only 1 tabstop left.
- # [17:00] <Jamie> davidb: any idea where the comment is concerning the fact that f6 works on Mac but not Windows?
- # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Well, I guess the big question would be: How do we expose this as a split button, if we go that route, and not as a menu button? Because a menu button clearly indicates that any of space, enter, down arrow opens the menu and doesn't perform the default action when pressing the Space bar.
- # [17:01] <Gijs> Jamie: I think I wrote something like that... somewhere...
- # [17:01] <Gijs> Jamie: the meta bug should help you find it?
- # [17:02] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I think Neil might be on board with the plan to have different keyboard/mouse interaction, see his last comment just now. :)
- # [17:05] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: The problem with split buttons is not only that they're not available on Mac and Linux, but also that Windows alone has at least 3 different ways to open the menu. Start menu has Right Arrow, The Paste split button in WordPad has Alt+DownArrow, and I saw at least one other where it was only DownArrow.
- # [17:06] <Gijs> MarcoZ: the ribbon buttons are accessible?!
- # [17:06] * Gijs thought toolbar buttons generally weren't
- # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Yes, they were made accessible in Office quite a while ago, and the Ribbons have always worked with the keyboard.
- # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> Microsoft even implements them using WAI-ARIA in their MS Office Online piece.
- # [17:09] <Jamie> davidb, MarcoZ, Gijs: Um... Davidb suggested I file a new bug for the f6 tab order thing, but that seems to be being discussed in bug 990045 and there's a need info request concerning it. Is opening a new bug just going to confuse things?
- # [17:09] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
- # [17:09] <@davidb> probably
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- # [17:09] <Jamie> having said that, ribbons are different in every single application that implements them...
- # [17:09] <Gijs> Jamie: yeah, I'd leave that discussion in that bug, if that's OK.
- # [17:10] <Jamie> Gijs: sure. just confusing because the bug doesn't note that in its summary. I'll just comment on the metabug and reference the comments so we don't lose it
- # [17:10] <Gijs> Jamie: sounds good
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- # [17:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053247 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [17:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053247 — NEW — [AccessFu] content integration test does not fully run
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- # [17:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053248 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [17:24] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053248 — NEW — [AccessFu] Add new debug domain for gestures
- # [17:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053250 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [17:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053250 — NEW — [AccessFu] When automoving to a remote iframe, preserve its current vc position if it has one
- # [17:28] <@davidb> eeejay, surkov, MarcoZ, joanie, tbsaunde, yzen, Jamie, choose one of these and let me know https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5963048
- # [17:29] <@yzen> davidb white anchovy for me
- # [17:30] <@davidb> if you prefer html the menu is here ossington.pizzerialibretto.com/menu
- # [17:30] <@eeejay> davidb, marinara. thanks!
- # [17:30] <@surkov> davidb: any works for me
- # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Cacciatore Salami, Tomato, Basil, Mozzarella, Herbs .....
- # [17:32] <@davidb> surkov, duck?
- # [17:32] <@surkov> davidb: yep, never tried it in pizza
- # [17:32] <@davidb> ok
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- # [17:46] <Jamie> davidb: Cacciatore Salami
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- # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> davidb: You were asking about treeherder earlier. I just tried this with a try push I saw in bug 1043372. And I see it uses belovid clickables that could just as well be buttons, but aren't. CC Gijs
- # [18:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — ASSIGNED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
- # [18:05] <@davidb> MarcoZ, yeah it looks like someone wanted a lot of control of the visuals... aria likely needed
- # [18:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ, i think it is clint's group but not sure who specifically
- # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So yeah that's what I think, too. I just wanna know who I can send http://www.marcozehe.de/2013/04/24/easy-aria-tip-6-making-clickables-accessible/
- # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Clint Talbert?
- # [18:07] <@davidb> yeah
- # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Cool!
- # [18:08] <@davidb> MarcoZ, if filing use https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Tree%20Management&component=Treeherder
- # [18:10] <joanie> Jamie: https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkText.html#AtkTextAttribute
- # [18:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Done, cc'd you.
- # [18:12] <@davidb> woot!
- # [18:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ, 44 seconds later it is marked P1
- # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> Wow!
- # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> joanie: tbpl.mozilla.org and I'll come explain what to look at
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- # [18:23] <Jamie> MarcoZ: http://community.nvda-project.org/log?rev=next&verbose=full
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- # [18:33] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: The "Font fix" sub chapter on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Developer_phone_guide/Flame
- # [18:48] <@tbsaunde> joanie: actually the text attribute patch I mentioned is in the tree bug 938197
- # [18:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/938197 — FIXED, trev.saunders — [ATK Accessibility] AtkTextAttributes derived names should be used on AtkText methods get_run/defaul
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- # [19:08] <joanie> ok, this pizza is doubleplus awesome. I'm glad I'm having lunch. Thanks mozilla and davidb. :)
- # [19:08] <@davidb> yay!
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- # [19:10] <@davidb> thank yzen for choosing the place
- # [19:10] <@davidb> and biking couriering
- # [19:10] <@yzen> :)
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- # [19:13] <@firebot> rmcguigan@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1052903 from --- to INVALID.
- # [19:13] <@firebot> rmcguigan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1052903 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [19:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052903 — INVALID — 4.2 and 4.4 Talkback does not work in dropdown html elements
- # [19:25] <@davidb> MarcoZ, want to meet with me at 2?
- # [19:25] <@davidb> (this morning escaped us)
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- # [19:31] <Jamie> The pizza was indeed awesome. :)
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- # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: have you started looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1052525 ?
- # [20:02] <@firebot> Bug 1052525 — NEW — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns the previous line instead of the line at offset
- # [20:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: not yet but it looks close to bug 1052504
- # [20:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052504 — NEW — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns an empty line instead of the line at offset
- # [20:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: there problem was is TreeWalker navigates into container while it should start navigation after container
- # [20:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ah, working on fixing it?
- # [20:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde, not yet
- # [20:04] <@surkov> probably I should
- # [20:05] <@surkov> I need to finish review of your patch about treeWalker
- # [20:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: you can now review my patch first ;)
- # [20:05] <@surkov> yeah :)
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- # [21:16] <@MarcoZ> yzen: https://intranet.mozilla.org/QA/B2G_Tips_and_Tricks#Flashing_PVT_Builds
- # [21:16] <@MarcoZ> LDAP credentials.
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- # [21:39] <@davidb> eeejay, moztrap seems to be the new litmus
- # [21:39] <@davidb> (... https://moztrap.mozilla.org/manage/cases/?)
- # [21:39] <@eeejay> yeah, saw that
- # [21:39] <@davidb> takes a lot of drilling down to actually see a test
- # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> Jamie: bug 924915
- # [21:39] <@eeejay> funny how we didn't know that
- # [21:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/924915 — NEW — Significant lag with high cpu changing selection when arrowing over mail folders with many messages
- # [21:39] <@davidb> eeejay, oh i knew it and forgot
- # [21:39] <@davidb> it has actually become a thing since i first looked into it
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- # [21:49] <Jamie> MarcoZ: bug 648504
- # [21:49] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/648504 — NEW — Alt-key access to pull-down Menu Bar menus does not work in full-screen mode
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- # [21:52] <Jamie> MarcoZ: bug 563909
- # [21:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/563909 — NEW — [meta] Add-Ons Manager redesign keyboard navigation bugs
- # [21:54] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 648504.
- # [21:59] <@davidb> eeejay, MarcoZ, surkov, tbsaunde, yzen, Jamie, joanie, so to recap from earlier chat, tonight is free for whatever, no formal plan... i'll probably stick around and grab a smallish dinner and a beer or two. not necessarily in that order.
- # [21:59] <joanie> :)
- # [21:59] * Jamie nods
- # [21:59] <joanie> I'm uber full, but my kidneys may have room ;)
- # [21:59] <@eeejay> davidb, you may do a small beer, and then dinner
- # [22:00] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from bmcbride@mozilla.com on bug 580537.
- # [22:00] <@davidb> eeejay, not likely
- # [22:00] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 580537 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
- # [22:00] <Jamie> davidb: err, oops, weren't we going to do the aria 1.1 talk after lunch?
- # [22:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/580537 — NEW — Set useful initial focus in Add-ons Manager
- # [22:00] <@davidb> Jamie, yes but more important conversations seemed to be happening
- # [22:00] <Jamie> :)
- # [22:01] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com granted firefox-backlog on bug 648504.
- # [22:01] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com) on bug 648504.
- # [22:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/648504 — NEW — Alt-key access to pull-down Menu Bar menus does not work in full-screen mode
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- # [22:35] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1053430 filed by giles@mozilla.com.
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- # [22:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053430 — NEW — Twitter breaks cmd-t to open a new tab
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- # [23:04] <@davidb> oh good
- # [23:04] <@davidb> i hit that bug today ^
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- # [23:08] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1053430 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [23:08] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1053430 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [23:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053430 — DUPLICATE — Twitter breaks cmd-t to open a new tab
- # [23:09] <Gijs> (it is a sad old bug)
- # [23:18] <@davidb> oh
- # [23:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053462 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
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- # [23:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053462 — NEW — Add fromUserInput field to pivot move events and move methods
- # [23:24] <Jamie> surkov, joanie, tbsaunde: Updated text interface change proposal: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/TextInterface.Next
- # [23:24] <@surkov> thanks!
- # [23:25] <@surkov> i’ve got some beer though ;)
- # [23:26] <@davidb> that will help
- # [23:26] <Jamie> oops, just made one more tiny (but significant) update
- # [23:27] <Jamie> and, uh, I forgot something else... damn it
- # [23:28] <@surkov> Jamie: what for are compare methods()?
- # [23:30] <Jamie> surkov: Many use cases; e.g. working out whether the caret has moved when events aren't being used for some reason, working out whether one is at the start or the document/line/paragraph, ...
- # [23:30] <Jamie> surkov: working out whether the selection has grown larger or smaller and in which direction
- # [23:30] <Jamie> surkov: possibly need to update use cases :)
- # [23:31] <@surkov> Jamie, yeah, please :) something that’s evident for you not really evident for me :)
- # [23:31] <Jamie> surkov: right now, we do this by just comparing offsets and, if necessary, indexAtParent and ancestor traversal (ugly)
- # [23:31] <@surkov> especially when I’m accompanied by beer :)
- # [23:31] * Jamie grins
- # [23:33] <@surkov> Jamie: same about setEndPoint, btw, when I get text range for selection and then change it then should selection be chagned too?
- # [23:34] <@surkov> or textRange is unrelated concept
- # [23:34] <@surkov> and you should do something like setSelection(textRange)
- # [23:34] <Jamie> TextRAnges should be independent unless select() is called
- # [23:34] <@surkov> I see
- # [23:34] <@davidb> surkov, beer doesn't help? http://xkcd.com/323/
- # [23:34] <Jamie> this allows me to walk around the document without affecting caret/selection
- # [23:35] <@surkov> davidb: maybe I passed the top already or it’s still ahead :)
- # [23:35] <Jamie> I'll add this as a use case too; i.e. review of the document without affecting the caret/selection
- # [23:35] <@davidb> surkov, yeah, takes practice to get it right
- # [23:35] <@surkov> :)
- # [23:35] <@surkov> maybe I need mentor here :)
- # [23:36] <Jamie> tbsaunde: surkov: btw, we were talking about IAccessibleEditableText the other day. Gecko does indeed implement this... but at least right now, copyToClipboard, etc. do... a whole load of nothing
- # [23:36] <@davidb> :)
- # [23:36] <@surkov> Jamie: really? I supposed it’s working
- # [23:37] <@surkov> :)
- # [23:37] <@surkov> but I’ve got impression that editableText is sort of mistake
- # [23:37] <@davidb> yeah the copy stuff never worked IIRC
- # [23:37] <Jamie> Mick is pretty sure he recalls that Aaron said it was only implemented to satisfy some check or other, but that it actually didn't do anything useful. Of course, a lot ahs changed since Aaron left
- # [23:37] <@surkov> hm, I missed that somehow
- # [23:37] <@surkov> yeah but probably not in this area
- # [23:38] <@surkov> I didn’t really touch it beucase I believed nobody uses it
- # [23:38] <Jamie> And really important point... Sider is good
- # [23:38] <@surkov> except some orca bugs of course
- # [23:39] <Jamie> Well, it might actually be useful, e.g. to copy text including formatting to the clipboard. It's very difficult for a blind user to select text unless they use... hahaha... caret navigation (eh eh Joanie)?
- # [23:40] <@tbsaunde> Jamie: yeah we certainly have code that tries to do something, and istr a test
- # [23:41] <@davidb> hmm yeah http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/editabletext/test_2.html?force=1#26
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