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  1. # Session Start: Thu Aug 14 00:00:01 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  8. # [00:15] <@davidb> eeejay, do we have a user guide for the FFOS screenreader?
  9. # [00:16] <@eeejay> davidb, we should do it this weekk
  10. # [00:16] <@davidb> heh
  11. # [00:18] <@eeejay> davidb, that is kind of what we were thinking for comms talk
  12. # [00:18] * @davidb nods
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  29. # [03:22] <Jamie> joanie: haha. still hacking?
  30. # [03:26] <joanie> sorta
  31. # [03:26] <joanie> about to get booze
  32. # [03:26] <joanie> showing Trev the holy hand grenade of antioch on youtube first
  33. # [03:26] <joanie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
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  35. # [03:34] <Jamie> hahaha
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  50. # [05:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hey :)
  51. # [05:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hey :)
  52. # [05:19] <@surkov> karaoke? :)
  53. # [05:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: nah, just doing a little more work
  54. # [05:20] <@surkov> I see
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  57. # [06:48] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@googlemail.com on bug 1045518.
  58. # [06:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045518 — NEW — Bad performance degradation with NVDA under Windows XP in FF 32
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  67. # [09:43] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1053021 from --- to FIXED.
  68. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1053021 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  69. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1053021 from --- to mozilla34.
  70. # [09:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053021 — FIXED, yzenevich — [AccessFu] Speed up gesture intervals. Enable a configurable responsiveness to user gestures.
  71. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1052000 from nobody@mozilla.org to trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  72. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1052000 from --- to FIXED.
  73. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1052000 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  74. # [09:44] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1052000 from --- to mozilla34.
  75. # [09:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052000 — FIXED, trev.saunders — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns more than one line when asking for the line at offset
  76. # [09:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1043372 from --- to FIXED.
  77. # [09:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1043372 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  78. # [09:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1043372 from --- to Firefox 34.
  79. # [09:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — FIXED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
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  117. # [15:12] <Jamie> MarcoZ: mention
  118. # [15:12] <@yzen> MarcoZ
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  121. # [15:13] <Jamie> yzen: ha ha, beat you
  122. # [15:13] <@yzen> :)
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  125. # [15:20] <@MarcoZ> Jamie2: Seeing you!
  126. # [15:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053765 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  127. # [15:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053765 — NEW — Putting role="log" on a table tag breaks row and cell accessibles.
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  130. # [15:30] <@davidb> surkov, are you sort of driving bug 1001634?
  131. # [15:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1001634 — NEW, jwei — Add MathMLAccessible class
  132. # [15:30] <@surkov> I”m trying
  133. # [15:30] <@surkov> but don’t spend much time on it
  134. # [15:30] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 1045518.
  135. # [15:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045518 — NEW — Bad performance degradation with NVDA under Windows XP in FF 32
  136. # [15:31] * @davidb nods
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  141. # [15:35] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1053248 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  142. # [15:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053248 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] Add new debug domain for gestures
  143. # [15:35] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1053247 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  144. # [15:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053247 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] content integration test does not fully run
  145. # [15:36] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1053250 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  146. # [15:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053250 — NEW, eitan — [AccessFu] When automoving to a remote iframe, preserve its current vc position if it has one
  147. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@googlemail.com on bug 1045518.
  148. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1045518 from --- to FIXED.
  149. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1045518 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  150. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com set status-firefox32 to wontfix on bug 1045518.
  151. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com set status-firefox33 to fixed on bug 1045518.
  152. # [15:43] <@firebot> lmandel@mozilla.com set status-firefox34 to fixed on bug 1045518.
  153. # [15:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045518 — FIXED — Bad performance degradation with NVDA under Windows XP in FF 32
  154. # [15:44] <@yzen> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/gPp0mS1XV0
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  169. # [16:41] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 1045518.
  170. # [16:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045518 — FIXED — Bad performance degradation with NVDA under Windows XP in FF 32
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  175. # [17:09] <@davidb> thoughts on lunch (for later)?
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  177. # [17:15] <Jamie> davidb: food of some description?
  178. # [17:15] * Jamie is just so helpful
  179. # [17:15] <@davidb> oh, good idea
  180. # [17:18] <@davidb> maybe http://www.pamier-kabob.com/menu.php ?
  181. # [17:18] <@davidb> or banh mi again
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  183. # [17:18] <@davidb> or people could venture out
  184. # [17:19] <@davidb> together or fractured
  185. # [17:19] <@davidb> something tells me i shouldn't suggest too many options to this group
  186. # [17:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: there's the middle easern place just past ban mi
  187. # [17:23] <@davidb> tbsaunde, the pita place?
  188. # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> ya
  189. # [17:23] <@davidb> do you recall the name?
  190. # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> nack
  191. # [17:24] <@davidb> well how about pamier kabob?
  192. # [17:24] <@davidb> people want to throw me orders?
  193. # [17:25] <@davidb> oh wait a minute!
  194. # [17:25] <@surkov> davidb: http://www.ambereuropeanrestaurant.com/ :)
  195. # [17:25] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not really excited, but if its what people want I'll deal
  196. # [17:26] <@davidb> lunch is rarely exciting
  197. # [17:27] <@tbsaunde> you know what I mean ;p
  198. # [17:30] <@davidb> surkov: http://www.hungarythai.com/hungarian_main_courses.php
  199. # [17:30] <@surkov> davidb: yeah, hungarian must be pretty close too
  200. # [17:31] <@surkov> other option http://kavkaz.ca/ (pretty close to my home :) )
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  202. # [17:32] <@surkov> but that hungarian is walkable which is good
  203. # [17:32] <@davidb> yum
  204. # [17:32] <@surkov> just sort of bit strange to see hungarian and tai in one box :)
  205. # [17:32] <@davidb> the hungarian place gets mixed reviews
  206. # [17:33] <@davidb> we could try it for lunch one day
  207. # [17:33] <@davidb> (not this week necessarily)
  208. # [17:34] <@surkov> yeah
  209. # [17:34] <@surkov> for today there’s a season hit http://pravdavodkabar.com/ :)
  210. # [17:35] <@surkov> it’s even enough to read teh site name
  211. # [17:35] <@davidb> heheh
  212. # [17:35] <@davidb> this is really close right?
  213. # [17:38] <@davidb> http://www.banhmiboys.com/menu.htm
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  215. # [17:40] <@surkov> yeah, that one is close
  216. # [17:40] <@davidb> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5979073
  217. # [17:44] <Jamie> davidb: pork belly please
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  220. # [17:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5979073
  221. # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: five spice pork belly.
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  224. # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> Jamie: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16572338/accessing-nsiaccessibletext-xpcom-interface
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  231. # [18:18] <Jamie> MarcoZ: This is pretty much what they're doing: data:text/html,<body role="application"><div contentEditable="true" role="textbox"><p>asdf</p></div></body>
  232. # [18:18] <Jamie> MarcoZ: Notice that the focus according to Firefox never hits the paragraph, which is correct behaviour according to Firefox. NVDA does fake the focus when you move the caret, though.
  233. # [18:18] <Jamie> MarcoZ: However, in this case, for some reason, caret events are fired just fine
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  235. # [19:03] <Jamie> MarcoZ: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5979984
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  243. # [19:27] <@eeejay> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Mobile/ScreenReader
  244. # [19:27] <@eeejay> davidb, ^
  245. # [19:28] <@davidb> holy crap - with movies
  246. # [19:28] <@davidb> \o/
  247. # [19:30] <@MarcoZ> :)
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  259. # [19:54] <@davidb> joanie http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-accessibility-tf
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  262. # [20:13] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1052122 from nobody@mozilla.org to trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  263. # [20:13] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1052122 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  264. # [20:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052122 — ASSIGNED, trev.saunders — derecursify TreeWalker::NextChild
  265. # [20:15] <Jamie> joanie: so longdesc on img and iframe is under this section: "Some attributes from HTML4 are no longer allowed in HTML. The specification defines how user agents should process them in legacy documents, but Web developers are not allowed use them and they will not validate."
  266. # [20:15] <Jamie> also note the typo in the spec :)
  267. # [20:16] <Jamie> joanie: see also http://community.nvda-project.org/ticket/809 and bug 1996 for rather extended arguments about why it should be supported and how many use cases there are in the wild
  268. # [20:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1996 — WONTFIX — Support LONGDESC for IMG
  269. # [20:17] <Jamie> joanie: and see also http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#absent-attributes
  270. # [20:17] <Jamie> is that enough links to make you want to die?
  271. # [20:21] * @davidb mumbles about aria-hidden also lurking
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  277. # [20:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053942 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  278. # [20:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053942 — NEW — document accessible may never quite busy state
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  283. # [20:58] <@surkov> I wrote a small tool to visualize a11y doc loading logs, what is a good place to keep it?
  284. # [20:59] <@davidb> like a repo?
  285. # [20:59] <@surkov> yeah
  286. # [20:59] <@davidb> github?
  287. # [20:59] <@surkov> where there?
  288. # [21:01] <@surkov> Marco, did you hear any JAWS page loading problems in Firefox 30+
  289. # [21:01] <@surkov> MarcoZ: ^
  290. # [21:02] <@davidb> the bug table at pomegranate was taken so i booked http://queenmothercafe.ca/menu.htm#dinner
  291. # [21:02] <@davidb> we can cancel if that is horrible to anyone :)
  292. # [21:02] <@davidb> bug/big :)
  293. # [21:03] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Nope, hadn't heard anything re JAWS document loading problems.
  294. # [21:03] <@surkov> ok
  295. # [21:03] <@yzen> davidb what time ?
  296. # [21:03] <@surkov> MarcoZ: please keep an eye on that, people complain
  297. # [21:04] <@surkov> a bad thing we don’t have steps to reproduce
  298. # [21:04] <@davidb> yzen 7
  299. # [21:04] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Any exact steps? I just recently ran Firefox and JAWS and didn't notice anything unusual.
  300. # [21:04] <@surkov> yeah, no steps
  301. # [21:04] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK.
  302. # [21:04] <@davidb> surkov, did bret report this?
  303. # [21:04] <@surkov> yes
  304. # [21:04] <@surkov> he saw it once and some people also saw it
  305. # [21:05] <@davidb> yzen, does that work for you?
  306. # [21:05] <@yzen> yeah totes
  307. # [21:06] <@davidb> i'm looking forward to it... good food
  308. # [21:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053953 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  309. # [21:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053953 — NEW — No caret events fired on unclosed iframe document with javascript: URL
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  312. # [21:18] <Jamie> So anyone still interested in a math ramble/demo?
  313. # [21:18] <Jamie> and when?
  314. # [21:18] <@surkov> that’d be good
  315. # [21:19] <@surkov> I can do anytime
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  317. # [21:19] <@surkov> davidb: what about repo ideas?
  318. # [21:20] <@davidb> surkov, i'd ask yzen or eeejay. probably simplest to use a personal git repo
  319. # [21:20] <@davidb> on github
  320. # [21:21] <@eeejay> for ia2? sure. janina will probably not like that
  321. # [21:22] <Jamie> surkov: in the test case, there's a line taht says: iframe.src = "javascript:undefined";
  322. # [21:24] <@surkov> eeejay: no internal gecko stuff, it’s visualizer for A11YLOG enviropment variable
  323. # [21:24] <@surkov> it’s just bunch of JS
  324. # [21:24] <@eeejay> surkov, awesome. can't wait to try it
  325. # [21:25] <Jamie> NV Access has a Git repo for IA2 already
  326. # [21:25] <Jamie> http://bitbucket.org/nvaccess/ia2
  327. # [21:26] <Jamie> You're welcome to fork it or whatever
  328. # [21:29] <@surkov> it’s not IA2 related, it’s just for easier understanding a11y gecko logging
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  335. # [21:55] <@davidb> Jamie, "If not already excluded from the accessibility tree per the above rules, user agents SHOULD NOT include the following elements in the accessibility tree: Elements, including their descendents, that have a WAI-ARIA global attribute of aria-hidden="true"
  336. # [21:55] <@davidb> from http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/
  337. # [21:55] <@davidb> originally it was MUST NOT, but I asked for the change to SHOULD NOT for now
  338. # [21:56] <Jamie> joanie: <span onClick="foo">blah</span>
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  340. # [21:59] <Jamie> joanie: data:text/html,<ul role="listbox"><li role="option" tabindex="-1" onClick="foo()">l</li></ul>
  341. # [21:59] <Jamie> davidb: right, so that seems pretty clear
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  343. # [22:12] <@davidb> bug 780888
  344. # [22:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/780888 — WONTFIX — Actually prune the aria-hidden tree
  345. # [22:13] <Jamie> aria-hidden bug 972845
  346. # [22:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/972845 — NEW — Do not expose elements with aria-hidden="true" via ATK
  347. # [22:22] <Jamie> inherit aria-hidden: bug 786143
  348. # [22:22] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/786143 — REOPENED — inherit aria-hidden through subtree
  349. # [22:24] <Jamie> surkov: David's going to write a patch for bug 972845. will you r+ or r-?
  350. # [22:24] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/972845 — NEW — Do not expose elements with aria-hidden="true"
  351. # [22:25] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1053998 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  352. # [22:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053998 — NEW — add few bits for doclifecycle logging
  353. # [22:25] <@surkov> Jamie: it’d be good to get an agreement before doing actual work
  354. # [22:25] <@surkov> Jamie: what’s about that google’s example?
  355. # [22:26] <@surkov> in general I’m ok with aria-hidden but the spec should be cleared
  356. # [22:26] <Jamie> surkov: Google do stuff like this: <div><textarea aria-hidden="true"></textarea></div>. the textarea gets focus, but it's not really visible; it's just a way to handle clipboard, etc.</div>
  357. # [22:27] <@surkov> in that case I’d say AIRA has to provide a way to specify a11y focus
  358. # [22:27] <Jamie> surkov: so, in that case, focus would need to be "faked" on the nearest ancestor; this is what Chrome does
  359. # [22:27] <@surkov> the browser shouldn’t get in that case
  360. # [22:27] <@davidb> yeah error handling should be interoperable
  361. # [22:27] <Jamie> surkov: but what will the browser do if the tree is pruned and something inside it gets focus?
  362. # [22:28] <@surkov> to filter out author errors from legal usage
  363. # [22:28] <@surkov> I wanted to not hide focus but that doesn’t go with google example
  364. # [22:28] <@surkov> so in this case I would suggset to introduce new ARIA attribute to specify a11y focus
  365. # [22:29] <@surkov> like <textarea aria-hidden=“true” aria-focus=“fakefocus”></textarea>
  366. # [22:30] <Jamie> surkov: that doesn't fix the problem *now*, though
  367. # [22:30] <@surkov> but that’s crazy, I guess they could support clipboard otherwise
  368. # [22:31] <Jamie> surkov: let me put it another way: if we prune the tree, what will you do if the textarea gets focus? will you just expose the textarea or will you expose the whole tree? e.g. <div aria-hidden="true"><div><textarea></textarea></div></div>
  369. # [22:31] <Jamie> surkov: do you expose just the div or do you just expose the textarea?
  370. # [22:31] <Jamie> err
  371. # [22:31] <Jamie> do you expose the top div and all descendants or just the textarea
  372. # [22:31] <@surkov> let me check
  373. # [22:32] <@surkov> but in general we can implement any behavior
  374. # [22:32] <@surkov> so not sure I follow the question
  375. # [22:32] <Jamie> mm, I mean... in the absence of aria-focus, what do you propose firefox should do?
  376. # [22:33] <Jamie> davidb wants interoperability and i tend to agree, which means focus should be faked to the nearest non-hidden ancestor
  377. # [22:33] <@surkov> ah, expose textarea
  378. # [22:33] <@surkov> because I would consider that as author error
  379. # [22:34] <@surkov> Jamie: well, that’s not super easy
  380. # [22:34] <@surkov> we could fire focus event but then we should support things like foucsed event
  381. # [22:35] <@surkov> I meant focused state
  382. # [22:35] <@surkov> and that should be tricky part
  383. # [22:35] <@surkov> or add some complexity
  384. # [22:35] <@surkov> :)
  385. # [22:35] <Jamie> surkov: so you don't expose the divs above the textarea, though?
  386. # [22:35] <Jamie> surkov: so the textarea sort of just magically pops into existence in the tree?
  387. # [22:35] <Jamie> when it gets focus
  388. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 1053250.
  389. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1053250 from --- to FIXED.
  390. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1053250 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  391. # [22:36] <@surkov> I don’t really have solution
  392. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1053250 from --- to mozilla34.
  393. # [22:36] <@surkov> that depends on what we want
  394. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 1053247.
  395. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1053247 from --- to FIXED.
  396. # [22:36] <@surkov> if we want to make that google testcase working at any means then we should follow google
  397. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1053247 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  398. # [22:37] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1053247 from --- to mozilla34.
  399. # [22:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053250 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] When automoving to a remote iframe, preserve its current vc position if it has one
  400. # [22:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053247 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] content integration test does not fully run
  401. # [22:37] <@surkov> if we think about web then perhaps we should do something different
  402. # [22:37] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1053248 from --- to FIXED.
  403. # [22:37] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1053248 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  404. # [22:37] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1053248 from --- to mozilla34.
  405. # [22:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053248 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Add new debug domain for gestures
  406. # [22:38] <@surkov> if you mean unattached tree idea then it doesn’t popup when focused, it’s just unattached from main tree
  407. # [22:38] <@surkov> when you get an event then you can get that example and crawl the tree
  408. # [22:38] <@surkov> but you cannot find that accessible if you traverse main tree
  409. # [22:41] <@surkov> anyway it sounds like we started from wrong side. First of all we need to figure out if that google example is valid one, i.e. goes with the spec
  410. # [22:42] <@surkov> and if it’s valid and good use case but spec is ambigious then we need to fix the spec
  411. # [22:42] <Jamie> spec does not sate what should happen to focus if this occurs
  412. # [22:42] <Jamie> just another example of how badly aria-hidden is specified
  413. # [22:42] <@surkov> yeah then we have to fix the spec
  414. # [22:43] <@surkov> it is specified badly
  415. # [22:43] <Jamie> sure, but again, that doesn't help us now
  416. # [22:43] <@surkov> I don’t have magic pill :)
  417. # [22:44] * Jamie grins
  418. # [22:44] <@surkov> if we just follow chrome then we don’t really need a spec
  419. # [22:44] <Jamie> haha
  420. # [22:53] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1010195 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  421. # [22:53] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 1010195 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  422. # [22:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1010195 — WORKSFORME — [AccessFu] Not possible to enter a SIM PIN on a FF OS phone
  423. # [22:54] <@davidb> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dk60t/we_build_internet_explorer_i_know_right_ask_us/
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  434. # [23:24] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Resolution on bug 972845 from --- to WONTFIX.
  435. # [23:24] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 972845 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  436. # [23:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/972845 — WONTFIX — Do not expose elements with aria-hidden="true"
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