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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [03:43] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1055370 filed by vlad@vladikoff.com.
- # [03:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055370 — NEW — Cannot navigate about:preferences using the keyboard on OS X
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- # [04:37] <@firebot> MattN+bmo@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1055370 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [04:37] <@firebot> MattN+bmo@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1055370 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [04:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055370 — DUPLICATE — Cannot navigate about:preferences using the keyboard on OS X
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- # [08:54] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gmail.com) on bug 1055004.
- # [08:54] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [09:39] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 1055004.
- # [09:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [09:56] <@MarcoZ> Morining!
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- # [10:33] <slee_away> MarcoZ: Morning
- # [10:33] <slee_away> did your flatfish arrive? Was discussing with eeejay yesterday
- # [10:42] * slee_away is now known as slee
- # [10:48] <@MarcoZ> slee: Have had it for quite a while already. And we discussed the screen reader problems some time ago if you remember. :)
- # [10:49] <@MarcoZ> slee: I did try to add a newer build to it to see if the problems we saw in the initial release still existed, but that broke my device somewhat.
- # [10:49] <slee> Yes we did. But didn't recall if you had one yet.
- # [10:49] <@MarcoZ> slee: Do you know of a good and easy way to get the initial build back? Is there a download somewhere?
- # [10:49] <slee> MarcoZ: I don't think so but I did wonder that myself.
- # [10:50] <slee> MarcoZ: we now have a set of builds, including a stable one.
- # [10:50] <slee> you should also update the bootloader so can get into fastboot easily
- # [10:51] <slee> https://wiki.mozilla.org/FirefoxOS/TCP/Flashing_the_Flatfish_bootloader
- # [10:51] <slee> https://wiki.mozilla.org/FirefoxOS/TCP/Flashing_your_device/
- # [10:51] <slee> MarcoZ: ^^
- # [10:52] <slee> Marco I wondered if the screenreader bug if no icons had been fixed - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018144
- # [10:52] <@firebot> Bug 1018144 — NEW — [flatfish] Cannot navigate from 1st to 2nd home with screen reader when no icons
- # [10:53] <slee> MarcoZ: Now I remember you and your partner played with the device. - doah!
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- # [11:37] <@MarcoZ> slee: I'm being prevented from some bloody virus scanning mechanism to download some of the files I need for this procedure to work.
- # [11:37] <@MarcoZ> s/from/by/
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- # [11:42] <slee> MarcoZ: :( Bugger. It worked OK for me. But drop box is a bit crap and sometimes I had to download each file separately rather than the zip
- # [11:43] <@MarcoZ> slee: The problem is: One of the files is the batch file I need to flash that damn thing.
- # [11:44] <slee> MarcoZ: OK, say which and I'll send you a renamed copy.
- # [11:44] <slee> are you doing bootloader or main OS?
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- # [11:47] <slee> MarcoZ: I just email flash-all-fastboot.txt. If AV barfs on that I guess I could try zipping it.
- # [11:47] <@MarcoZ> slee: Got it. I will need to do the boot loader first, then the working build.
- # [11:48] <slee> MarcoZ: good idea too do bootloader 1st. Once you done that you can actually flash any OS, not just the one given in the bootloader instructions
- # [12:00] <slee> MarcoZ: I guess the fast boot mode is completely inaccessible other than you can use "fastboot devices" on you PC to check
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- # [12:19] <@MarcoZ> Yay. Bricked! :/ Device does not come up in fastboot mode after the firmware upgrade.
- # [12:19] <@MarcoZ> slee: ^
- # [12:28] <slee> MarcoZ: YOu ran PhoenixSuite?
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- # [12:29] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yeeees....
- # [12:30] <slee> An it uploaded image OK? Is it at all accessible?
- # [12:30] <@MarcoZ> Ah. It's in FastBoot again. However it does not install the USB driver now.
- # [12:30] <@MarcoZ> And now the lovely flashing tool is "waiting for device" and doesn't find it.
- # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> I get the three low frequency sounds Windows 7 makes when it recognizes a USB device, but doesn't have a proper driver. Windows also doesn't find a proper driver for this thingie, already tried.
- # [12:31] <slee> The Pheonix driver is supposed to do it. but fails on WIn 9. Are you on 8?
- # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> slee: It wasn't, but my wife helped me. And it is now in FastBoot mode again. It had uploaded the image, but wanted to do it several times. I told it not to repeat that, since it had already done so.
- # [12:32] <@MarcoZ> However now, in FastBoot mode, it doesn't get recognized by Windows.
- # [12:32] <@MarcoZ> I'm on 7.
- # [12:32] <slee> MarcoZ: so that's easier
- # [12:32] <@MarcoZ> It shows up as "Android fastboot" in device manager.
- # [12:33] <@MarcoZ> Under "Other devices"
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- # [12:34] <slee> MarcoZ: and no error in dev manager?
- # [12:34] <slee> in which case it should be OK.
- # [12:34] <slee> try "fastboot devices"
- # [12:34] <@MarcoZ> slee: It says it hasn't got a proper driver, so there *is* an error.
- # [12:34] <slee> assuming you download a fastboot.exe
- # [12:34] <slee> OK
- # [12:34] <slee> https://wiki.mozilla.org/FirefoxOS/TCP/Installing_USB_Drivers_on_Windows
- # [12:35] <slee> MarcoZ: ^^ so perhaps Phoenix failed to install them
- # [12:35] <slee> MarcoZ: here are those drivers - https://www.dropbox.com/s/u4ezu3kdynjq57o/flatfish_drivers.zip
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- # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yay, that's working, and it's now flashing the stable build.
- # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> Thanks!
- # [12:39] <slee> \0/
- # [12:39] <@MarcoZ> Yikes, what a...
- # [12:40] <slee> MarcoZ: Yeah - vendor screw up. The next batch will have a proper bootloader.
- # [12:41] <slee> But then that's what this TCP programme is about - find the bugs and fix them. Ready for it to go mainstream.
- # [12:41] <slee> So from now on flashing should be easy.
- # [12:42] <slee> the script should get ADB to reboot into fastboot and do it's stuff
- # [12:42] <@MarcoZ> slee: Yeah, right.
- # [12:42] <slee> My Linux PC looses ADB connection for unknown reason which is a pain if doing own builds
- # [12:42] <@MarcoZ> slee: And the build I have on now still doesn't have the screen reader toggle, so it's probably still an early 1.4 build.
- # [12:43] <slee> You should be OK if flashing from WIndows
- # [12:43] <@MarcoZ> slee: YesWindows is what I use most.
- # [12:43] <slee> the builds here are 2.1 https://wiki.mozilla.org/FirefoxOS/TCP/Flashing_your_device/
- # [12:44] <slee> MarcoZ: Wish we could still build on WIndows :(
- # [12:44] <slee> One of those builds is called "stable" and is last know good one from master
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- # [12:51] <@MarcoZ> Ah! The builds still don't contain the Pico TTS files!
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- # [12:53] <@MarcoZ> Now if I only remembered how to flash them...
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- # [13:49] <@MarcoZ> OK, worked too. Talking tablet.
- # [13:49] <@MarcoZ> slee: ^
- # [13:50] <slee> MarcoZ: Cool - do you have pointer to flashing Pico?
- # [13:50] <slee> Also how to build them so can pass on
- # [13:53] <@firebot> florin.strugariu@softvision.ro cancelled needinfo?(florin.strugariu@softvision.ro) on bug 1055004.
- # [13:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
- # [13:54] <@MarcoZ> slee: Not really, the files I have here are from a Flame build and just flashed via adb running as root.
- # [13:54] <@MarcoZ> slee: The files should normally be included in the Flatfish build process.
- # [13:55] <@MarcoZ> The Flame had a similar bug a few months ago.
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- # [14:00] <@MarcoZ> slee: bug 1055494, please feel free to copy relevant people you know are working on the build system.
- # [14:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055494 — NEW — [TCP] Pico language files are not copied to Flatfish device
- # [14:01] <slee> MarcoZ: Ack
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- # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> slee_away: No, the problem that if there are no items on the home screen other than the dock, one cannot change home screens, is not solved yet. CC yzen.
- # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Background: On the Flatfish tablet, there is no vertical home screen, but a horizontal one as used to be on the Flame, too. And the first page is empty, except for dock items.
- # [15:51] <@yzen> MarcoZ that's flatfish ?
- # [15:51] <@yzen> yeah
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- # [15:52] <slee> MarcoZ: what was that Pico bug again? I've lost the history as PC shutdown Or is there an archive for this channel?
- # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> slee: The pico bug is bug 1055494.
- # [15:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055494 — NEW — [TCP] Pico language files are not copied to Flatfish device
- # [15:54] <slee> MarcoZ: got it
- # [16:05] <@yzen> MarcoZ i guess edge gestures are not enabled on flat fish either, otherwise we could do something about it
- # [16:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Doesn't look like it, although I don't know for sure. slee might know.
- # [16:07] <slee> MarcoZ: yzen the swip up from bottom is enabled. Not sure about 2 finger which might clash with ScreenReader.
- # [16:08] <@yzen> slee if you are in an app, and more than one app has been opened, can you do an left(right) edge swipe to switch between apps ?
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> slee: The two finger edge gestures would be in effect when the screen reader is active, simulating the single-finger edge gestures that need to be performed when it is not active.
- # [16:10] <slee> MarcoZ: On my tablet with a 2.1 build, single swipe up goes to home, 2 finger swipe up goes to task switcher
- # [16:11] <slee> this is what I was concerend aboyt. Will you do 3 finger swipe up for the 2 finger swipe up?
- # [16:11] <slee> *about
- # [16:11] <slee> PS I just tested it for real on the device
- # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> slee: yzen, eeejay and I have been concentrating on the edge gestures and such for the Flame primarily so far. In fact, some of this hasn't even landed yet, e. g. only the ground work. Not sure how we'll deal with the two finger swipe up for the app switcher yet.
- # [16:27] <slee> MarcoZ: Sure. Though Flame has a home button anyway where flatfish doesn't
- # [16:28] <slee> FYI the edge gestures don't handle device rotation well, but then support for rotation is poor in general
- # [16:28] <@firebot> jsmith@mozilla.com set blocking-b2g to 2.1? on bug 1055004.
- # [16:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> OK, going offline a bit earliert oday. Brain still pretty much fried from jetlag.
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- # [19:21] <DannyFritz> Does anyone have an opinion on using the role HTML attribute for things other than ARIA roles? https://github.com/AmpersandJS/ampersand/issues/21
- # [19:22] <eeejay> DannyFritz, bad idea?
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- # [19:23] <DannyFritz> can you elaborate on the github issue? :P
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- # [19:25] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1048240.
- # [19:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1048240 — FIXED, ehsan — Fix more bad implicit constructors in accessible
- # [19:34] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1016545.
- # [19:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1016545 — FIXED, trev.saunders — memory leak that kills Firefox in few seconds
- # [19:35] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1053248.
- # [19:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053248 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Add new debug domain for gestures
- # [19:36] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1053998.
- # [19:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1053998 — FIXED, surkov.alexander — add few bits for doclifecycle logging
- # [19:36] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1045081.
- # [19:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1045081 — FIXED, tete009+bugzilla — TextRange.cpp failed to compile on VS2013: error C2872
- # [19:36] <eeejay> hey lizzard! what is the qe-verify- flag? are we in trouble?
- # [19:36] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com denied qe-verify on bug 1052000.
- # [19:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052000 — FIXED, trev.saunders — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns more than one line when asking for the line at offset
- # [19:37] <lizzard> eeejay: No, it's just our new, slightly annoying, version of [qa-] which means I'm not asking anyone in our enormous fleet of testers to test these fixes
- # [19:37] <lizzard> Sorry about the channel spam
- # [19:37] <lizzard> we should fix that...
- # [19:38] <eeejay> lizzard, sounds good. it is not the spam as much as the "-" flags that make me think we did something wrong
- # [19:38] <lizzard> Also, if you want QA help in verifying a fix, you can add qe-verify+ to a bug.
- # [19:39] <lizzard> er, we are still QA, but our flag is "QE" confusingly
- # [19:39] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1055004 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [19:39] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous.org) on bug 1055004.
- # [19:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [19:46] <@firebot> mmucci@mozilla.com granted qe-verify on bug 1043372.
- # [19:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — FIXED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
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- # [19:52] <@firebot> wilsonpage@mozilla.com requested needinfo from zcampbell@mozilla.com on bug 1055004.
- # [19:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [20:12] <@yzen> eeejay ping
- # [20:12] <eeejay> yzen, hi
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- # [20:13] <@yzen> eeejay hi, so i was looking more at aria-hidden, object attribute change event, and i can't think of a way how to determine which attributes changed.. was that why we didnt listen for it originally ?
- # [20:13] <eeejay> yzen, hm.. maybe
- # [20:14] <eeejay> that would be useful, eh?
- # [20:14] <@yzen> heh
- # [20:15] <eeejay> yzen, we may need to implement that
- # [20:15] <@yzen> eeejay yeah
- # [20:15] <@yzen> i was going to say
- # [20:15] <@yzen> ok
- # [20:15] <eeejay> unless we are missing something, tbsaunde?
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- # [20:32] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr requested needinfo from jdiggs@igalia.com on bug 916419.
- # [20:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/916419 — NEW — Expose MathML as a hierarchical accessible tree
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- # [20:43] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 919279 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
- # [20:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/919279 — NEW — No consistent way to get from web page to menu bar and back using braille display
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- # [21:22] <joanie> tbsaunde: you happen to know off the top of your head if <abbr></abbr> is reliably exposed as ATK_ROLE_TEXT?
- # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> joanie: "reliably" meaning what exactly in the presence of role=?
- # [21:27] <joanie> awwww hell. Good point.
- # [21:27] * joanie sets that aside for another day
- # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> joanie: don't you just love the web?
- # [21:29] <joanie> "love" meaning what exactly in the presence of role=?
- # [21:30] * joanie grins and decides to roll the release
- # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> joanie: something your pasifist side won't like
- # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> ;-)
- # [21:35] <@tbsaunde> joanie: fwiw ignoring aria the answer should be yes its ATK_ROLE_TEXT
- # [21:36] <joanie> ok cool, thanks!
- # [21:37] <@tbsaunde> its always nice when people want help with easy things
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- # [21:51] <satdav> yzen, Hello can I ask what office you are based in
- # [21:51] <@yzen> satdav toronto
- # [21:51] <satdav> as I know rachael from the SuMo team is looking for advice from someone in mv or remote about accessiblity training
- # [21:52] <satdav> would davidb be the best contact for that do you think
- # [21:52] <@yzen> satdav i would thing so yes, he's away this week though
- # [21:52] <satdav> oh thats fine
- # [21:52] <satdav> yzen, shes also been speaking to maroz about the screenreader stuff
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- # [21:54] <yash_> eeejay: Hey, I uploaded the video .
- # [21:54] <satdav> yzen, you on the mailing list for ally
- # [21:55] <satdav> as I dont think I know you
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- # [21:56] <satdav> yzen, who is the ally contact for firefox if you dont mind me asking
- # [21:56] <eeejay> yash_, cool! on a call now..
- # [21:56] <@yzen> satdav i m pretty sure i am on the list. re contact: i would think it's davidb or marcoz
- # [21:57] <yash_> eeejay: sure
- # [21:57] <satdav> eeejay, is that a call we can join contributors
- # [21:57] <eeejay> satdav, no, sorry
- # [21:57] <satdav> ok its fine
- # [21:58] <satdav> eeejay, what is your knowledge of firefox
- # [21:59] <satdav> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/accessibility-features-firefox-make-firefox-and-we?esab=a&s=Accessibility&r=0&as=s
- # [21:59] <satdav> would you suggest any more on that blog
- # [22:02] <@tbsaunde> joanie: if your board it would be great if you could look at what is going on with the bullet item on http://globau.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/happy-bmo-push-day-107/ I expect it'll be a hundred times less painful than fb ;)
- # [22:03] <joanie> heh
- # [22:03] <joanie> after I roll the release and do some other things, I'll take a look
- # [22:03] <joanie> tbsaunde: I assume you ruled out it being your bug, right?
- # [22:03] <joanie> list items are odd and there are some strange bugs
- # [22:04] <@tbsaunde> joanie: actually I bet it is our bug, I just want to have a small test case to debug
- # [22:04] <joanie> aha
- # [22:04] <joanie> ok, I'll add it to my list
- # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> thanks, I'll be happy to take a break from this crazy rabit whole of punctuation areound line endings
- # [22:05] <joanie> and I'm always looking for more crazy test cases for the orca regression tests
- # [22:06] <@tbsaunde> makes sense
- # [22:14] <joanie> tbsaunde: steps to reproduce?
- # [22:14] <joanie> Orca's presenting that content when I arrow
- # [22:14] <joanie> at least down by line
- # [22:14] <joanie> using orca master + FF 31
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- # [22:15] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hm, orca from friday + nightly ff skips lines
- # [22:16] <joanie> lemme try nightly
- # [22:16] <@tbsaunde> and when you go up from the buttom it can't go up all the way
- # [22:16] <joanie> up there are still some, ahem, issues I'm debugging
- # [22:16] <joanie> if you are seeing problems with down lemme pull nightly
- # [22:17] <joanie> and also be sure nothing major was changed in Orca since Friday that might impact it
- # [22:17] <joanie> nothing major that should impact line nav since Friday
- # [22:18] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr requested needinfo from marco.zehe@googlemail.com on bug 919279.
- # [22:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/919279 — NEW — No consistent way to get from web page to menu bar and back using braille display
- # [22:19] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah, just installing master orca to be sure
- # [22:19] <joanie> tbsaunde: confirmed with nightly
- # [22:19] <joanie> no it's a change in Gecko
- # [22:19] <joanie> but did you fix something or break something? /me smiles and looks
- # [22:20] <@tbsaunde> I'm hoping for fixed and expecting broke ;)
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- # [22:35] <joanie> tbsaunde: well, it looks like something is fixed but I wonder if something also broke
- # [22:35] <joanie> lemme see if I can trim the test case down a bit
- # [22:38] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hahaha, that'd be great
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- # [22:58] <joanie> tbsaunde: I'll look at the a11y aspects but in the meantime, here's a simple test case http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6058471
- # [23:00] <@tbsaunde> joanie: so a totally standard nothing fancy unordered list
- # [23:00] <joanie> yup
- # [23:00] <joanie> with 34 orca does the right thing
- # [23:00] <joanie> with nightly it doesn't
- # [23:01] <joanie> oops with 31 it does the right thing
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- # [23:09] <joanie> tbsaunde: the only thing I'm noticing so far is that the space after the bullet is back (a good thing). That might have broken a sad hack I had to add a while back because of list item bugs
- # [23:09] <joanie> lemme see if I rip out those hacks what happens
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- # [23:11] <joanie> tbsaunde: that solves the skipping for me
- # [23:11] <joanie> though now Orca is repeating items
- # [23:12] <joanie> so there is likely another thing I need to change
- # [23:12] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hm, standing by
- # [23:12] <joanie> and then re-rerun the regression tests
- # [23:12] <joanie> but this may be purely your fix and my sad hack
- # [23:12] <joanie> rather than something y'all broke
- # [23:13] <@tbsaunde> that'd be sweeet
- # [23:13] <joanie> on several levels
- # [23:13] <joanie> because I can fix orca like now (now == when I verify everything
- # [23:14] <satdav> I wish davidb was about to get the moderator password for the ally list
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- # [23:25] <joanie> tbsaunde: I remember now what I was hacking around:
- # [23:26] <joanie> If you set the caret in a list item at the list item marker offset
- # [23:26] <joanie> Gecko turns around and emits a caret moved event for a different offset
- # [23:26] <joanie> you really must not do that ;)
- # [23:27] <joanie> it convinces Orca the caret is at the end of the item
- # [23:27] <joanie> so the sad hack was to just not upset gecko by setting the caret there
- # [23:28] <joanie> I think the orca hack may need to be modified to take the added space into account
- # [23:28] * joanie tries that
- # [23:28] <eeejay> yash_, where is this video? :)
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- # [23:43] <joanie> tbsaunde: I'll give this some more thought later. But in the meantime, if you agree that setting the caret at the offset of the list marker should not trigger the caret to move to a different offset, that would be a nice fix to see in Gecko.
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