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- # Session Start: Wed Aug 20 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:10] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok, I have an idea which fixes the issue you are seeing, and in my head it makes good sense. /me grins
- # [00:11] <joanie> but I want to regression test it fully first
- # [00:21] <@tbsaunde> joanie: sorry, went early and just came home, but yeah, moving the caret like that sounds like a bug
- # [00:22] <@tbsaunde> but if you can avoid triggering it without being sad that's probably worth doing for now
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- # [00:33] <eeejay> yzen, *sigh* something just got really slow with the latest mater
- # [00:33] <eeejay> master
- # [00:33] <@yzen> eeejay gecko or gaia ?
- # [00:34] <eeejay> yzen, not sure. let me work with a clean gecko branch
- # [00:34] <@yzen> eeejay which part exactly ? i was testing the sound playback improvements and it seemed to be working pretty fast for me
- # [00:34] <@yzen> i flashed the engineering built in the morning and latest gaia around 3pm my time
- # [00:35] <eeejay> yzen, eveything is slugish. i see a lot of show/hide events from the status bar
- # [00:35] <eeejay> i hope it is not that
- # [00:35] <eeejay> i just pulled in gaia master
- # [00:35] <@yzen> hmm
- # [00:35] <eeejay> rebuilding without the crash patch i just made
- # [00:37] <eeejay> i think its gaia
- # [00:42] <@yzen> i tried on the desktop gaia, it works ok
- # [00:46] <eeejay> yzen, it is a subtle but noticeable for me. or maybe was it always this slow?
- # [00:46] <@yzen> let me flash latest gaia
- # [00:53] <yash_> eeejay: http://yesitsyash.blogspot.in/2014/08/firefox-text-to-speech-api.html
- # [00:54] <@yzen> eeejay ya you are right, it does feel sluggish
- # [00:55] <eeejay> yash_, cool!
- # [00:55] <eeejay> yash_, when you are ready with a new patch, ask smaug for review
- # [00:55] <eeejay> yzen, it wasn't like that last week, right?
- # [00:56] <@yzen> it wasnt for me until i updated just now
- # [00:56] <eeejay> yeah
- # [00:56] <@yzen> yeah it's pretty bad
- # [00:57] <yash_> eeejay: stuck in that language thing. I had found a solution, which uses some function, but unfortunately that function is not available for windows xp
- # [00:57] <eeejay> yash_, i saw that on irc.
- # [00:57] <eeejay> yash_, i am surprised there is no XP equivalent
- # [00:58] <yash_> eeejay: yeah :-/
- # [00:58] <yash_> eeejay: will see tomorrow once again, if something can be done about that
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- # [01:00] <yash_> eeejay: regarding the mochitest, what do I have to do?
- # [01:00] <eeejay> yash_, did you manage to rn the mochitests locally?
- # [01:01] <yash_> eeejay: not yet
- # [01:01] <yash_> eeejay: I didn't try actually
- # [01:01] <eeejay> yash_, so once you do, you will see that they fail, and you will need to update them to pass :)
- # [01:01] <yash_> eeejay: hmm..ok :)
- # [01:18] <@firebot> ddixon@qanalydocs.com requested needinfo from jmitchell@qanalydocs.com on bug 1055004.
- # [01:18] <@firebot> ddixon@qanalydocs.com set status-b2g-v2.1 to affected on bug 1055004.
- # [01:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
- # [01:39] <@firebot> jmitchell@qanalydocs.com cancelled needinfo?(jmitchell@qanalydocs.com) on bug 1055004.
- # [01:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [02:40] <joanie> tbsaunde: Please pull master and try again with your list items.
- # [02:41] <joanie> I need groceries now. But I'll check back.
- # [02:41] * joanie waves
- # [02:43] <@tbsaunde> joanie: after I go eat something :)
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- # [04:00] <@tbsaunde> joanie: works, thanks!
- # [04:00] <@tbsaunde> joanie: if you don't mind please make sure there's a bug for that caret move event thing we should really fix that
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- # [09:22] <@MarcoZ> Morning!
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- # [10:01] <slee> MarcoZ: Morning. how's the jet lag?
- # [10:09] <@firebot> zcampbell@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(zcampbell@mozilla.com) on bug 1055004.
- # [10:10] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — NEW, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
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- # [10:50] <Jamie> Hi all! :) Anyone know who would be an ideal reviewer for bug 305206? I'm thinking robcee or msucan based on commit logs, but not sure
- # [10:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/305206 — NEW — Make browser Console work better with screen readers
- # [10:56] <Gijs> Jamie: yes.
- # [10:56] <Gijs> ;)
- # [10:57] <Jamie> gijs: one of the above, you, or someone else? :)
- # [10:57] <Gijs> Jamie: one of the above, I believe.
- # [10:57] * Jamie nods.
- # [10:57] <Jamie> ta
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- # [11:25] <@MarcoZ> Jamie: Hi! Yes, either is a good candidate, if they don't want to review it themselves, they can always redirect to one of their team mates.
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- # [11:25] <Jamie> MarcoZ: Ok. trying to work out whether I can give this any test coverage, but I cna't really see a way
- # [11:25] <Jamie> MarcoZ: also, should I obsolete the previous richlistbox patch and assign this to myself?
- # [11:26] <Jamie> Not sure what the etiquette is there. The old patch is dead I assume, but it was never obsoleted
- # [11:27] <Jamie> MarcoZ: will request feedback from you again anyway, as I changed the output to role="document" and tweaked the live region code a bit
- # [11:28] <@MarcoZ> Jamie: Yes, please hijack the bug and mark the other patches obsolete. They are probably invalid anyway, since they are based on much older code.
- # [11:30] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Re my comment in bug 1055973, if you want to introduce real modality in web content (this is basically web content now), you could look at the HTML5 dialog and modality thing that just got dropped because no good consensus was reached and browser implementor interest was quite low, IIRC. However, implementing this properly would do many many web developers a huge favor. :)
- # [11:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055973 — NEW — Navigating by TAB key, it should be only in between the browser UI and the sub-dialog
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- # [11:35] <Gijs> MarcoZ: boo. OK, good to know.
- # [11:35] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I think I have a bit too much on my plate right now to drive re-adoption of a dropped spec... but I'll keep it in mind. :(
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- # [12:01] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Resolution on bug 1052000 from FIXED to ---.
- # [12:01] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 1052000 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
- # [12:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052000 — REOPENED, trev.saunders — atk_text_get_text_at_offset sometimes returns more than one line when asking for the line at offset
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- # [14:53] <@yzen> MarcoZ morning
- # [14:56] <@MarcoZ> Morning yzen!
- # [14:56] <@yzen> MarcoZ eeejay and I spotted some sluginess of the screen reader last night, have you tried latest masters ?
- # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Not the very latest. Let me update...
- # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: The Monday build is OK for me, downloading latest master now.
- # [15:01] <@yzen> yeah
- # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> yzen: It's restarting...
- # [15:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1056047 filed by emorley@mozilla.com.
- # [15:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056047 — NEW — Intermittent PROCESS-CRASH | runner.py | application crashed [@ mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::Update
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- # [15:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Yup, screen reader is busted. it is not sluggish it is completely dead. You can toggle, and you get the message "To enable" and later even "to disable", but the actual "screen reader started" or "screen reader stopped" never comes.
- # [15:06] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Touch screen behaves as if no screen reader is running even when the next 3 volume rockers give you "to disable screen reader".
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- # [15:09] <@yzen> hmm i have the screen reader but EBT is super slow
- # [15:09] <@yzen> that's what eeejay noticed too
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- # [15:23] <@yzen> MarcoZ screen reader seems fine for me
- # [15:23] <@yzen> MarcoZ as in it's working
- # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Definitely not for me. I can try to reboot once more, but for me in the current nightly, it is definitely busted.
- # [15:26] <@yzen> MarcoZ try make reset-gaia with latest master
- # [15:26] <@yzen> it will delete user data though
- # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> yzen: I am not on dev builds, I am on what comes OTA on regular user nightlies.
- # [15:27] <@yzen> ok
- # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> yzen: And that is definitely busted.
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- # [15:46] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1030468 from --- to FIXED.
- # [15:46] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1030468 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [15:46] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1030468 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [15:47] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1030468 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] VC rectangle needs to work with scaled content
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- # [17:47] <eeejay> MarcoZ, is this on master, or are you trying out any gaia patches?
- # [17:48] <eeejay> MarcoZ, because if you are trying the edge gesture patch, it has a dependant gecko patch
- # [17:52] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Pure master.
- # [17:53] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Straight from Over-the-air updates.
- # [17:53] <eeejay> MarcoZ, I'll update and flash now
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- # [18:11] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i think i found the regression
- # [18:12] <@yzen> eeejay so when i get aria-hidden attribute changed to true, where do you think i should autoMove ?
- # [18:12] <eeejay> yzen, same logic as HIDE
- # [18:16] <eeejay> MarcoZ, https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/3bb8e41245a1b1f456f45c2e6494e4dfb0072aab
- # [18:18] <@yzen> eeejay so we would like to have targetPrevSibling and targetParent as part of event attributes for it as well ?
- # [18:19] <eeejay> yzen, not necessary since it is not getting pruned
- # [18:19] <@yzen> eeejay oh right ok
- # [18:19] <eeejay> yzen, evt.accessible.parent, evt.accessible.nextSibling should work
- # [18:19] <@yzen> well with hide we go to previous one
- # [18:22] <eeejay> yzen, right, sorry
- # [18:27] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 919279.
- # [18:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/919279 — NEW — No consistent way to get from web page to menu bar and back using braille display
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- # [18:32] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: yzen: So, I should just wait for a fix and then see that I get the next build onto the device, right?
- # [18:32] <eeejay> MarcoZ, correct
- # [18:33] <eeejay> MarcoZ, working on a fix now
- # [18:37] <@MarcoZ> Thanks! I will go offline now anyway, and recore an AudioBoo and write a 30DaysWithAndroid blog post where I'll bitch about scrolling.
- # [18:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: yzen: ^
- # [18:37] <eeejay> MarcoZ, what is an audioboo?
- # [18:38] <@yzen> MarcoZ sounds good
- # [18:38] <@MarcoZ> An AudioBoo is sort of a podcast, http://audioboo.fm is a site where one can easily record and share audio snippets or recordings up to an hour long and share to social networks.
- # [18:38] <@MarcoZ> Have been using it for some years now.
- # [18:39] <@MarcoZ> OK, I'll just leave this running in the background. Off to record. ;)
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- # [19:42] <jamesn> has anything changed recently where more divs are getting exposed as sections to the a11y API?
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- # [19:46] <jamesn> we have a bunch of places where the number of tab pages or menu items are no longer being announced correctly because of intermediate div elements which are now being exposed as sections to the API
- # [19:46] <jamesn> to resolve this we end up having to code <div role="presentation"> which seems a little bizarre
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- # [20:03] <@MarcoZ> jamesn: Not aware of anything, perhaps tbsaunde is. Surkov is on vacation this week unfortunately.
- # [20:16] <eeejay> MarcoZ, landing a fix in inbound now
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- # [20:21] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yay!
- # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> eeejay++
- # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> And now, I'm off for the night.
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- # [20:27] <@yzen> eeejay hi, ready whenever
- # [20:27] <eeejay> yzen, cool. 1 minute?
- # [20:27] <@yzen> ok
- # [20:39] <eeejay> yzen, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1056205
- # [20:39] <@firebot> Bug 1056205 — NEW, eitan — Screen reader no longer works
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- # [22:05] <@firebot> alex_mayorga@yahoo.com changed the Status on bug 1043372 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [22:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1043372 — FIXED, gijskruitbosch+bugs — Figure out keyboard-accessible alternative for the webrtc global indicator
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- # [22:29] <@yzen> eeejay hey, in case we get aria-hidden change to false, do we want to do anything special ?
- # [22:30] <eeejay> yzen, if the element has a role of dialog, we want to do the same as DOCUMENT_LOADING_COMPLETE
- # [22:30] <eeejay> yzen, btw. i am working on the audiochannel thing
- # [22:30] <eeejay> yzen, that is why the screen goes blank sometimes after unlocking
- # [22:31] <@yzen> eeejay huh, is there an error ?
- # [22:32] <eeejay> yzen, no. just tracked it down to: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/system/js/visibility_manager.js#L135
- # [22:32] <eeejay> the speech audio channel shows up as "none"
- # [22:32] <eeejay> it should probably be "normal"
- # [22:33] <@yzen> huh
- # [22:33] <@yzen> eeejay so in terms of DOCUMENT_LOAD_COMPLETE, shouldn't we do it only if vc posistion is not yet set ?
- # [22:33] <eeejay> yzen, i think always, no? it is when a dialog pops up
- # [22:34] <@yzen> eeejay well i think in that case current vc position subtree should either be hidden or aria hidden ?
- # [22:36] <@yzen> eeejay unless it's marked as a live region (then it will be announved) but still vc does not change
- # [22:37] <eeejay> yzen, tricky condition
- # [22:37] <eeejay> yzen, what if the cursor is on the status bar?
- # [22:38] <eeejay> and what if it is show and then hide
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- # [23:05] <@yzen> eeejay ok so ill do the same thing as load document, if it's going to cause problems we can follow up ?
- # [23:06] <@yzen> eeejay also in terms of just show we only support it for live regions atm, would we want to do the same ? i feel like it's sort of the same ?
- # [23:07] <eeejay> i think we should only support it for live regions
- # [23:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1056334 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
- # [23:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056334 — NEW — Expose accessible "showlongdesc" action and context menu for empty images
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