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- # [11:35] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 919279.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/919279 — NEW — No consistent way to get from web page to menu bar and back using braille display
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- # [11:37] <@MarcoZ> Good day all!
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- # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> Hi surkov! How was camping?
- # [14:58] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
- # [14:58] <@davidb> heyo!
- # [14:58] <@surkov> Hey, MarcoZ, yeah, it was quite good
- # [14:58] <@surkov> hi, davidb
- # [14:58] <@davidb> hi hi hi
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- # [15:10] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb, yzen! :)
- # [15:10] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
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- # [15:12] <dj_dij> help!
- # [15:13] <@MarcoZ> dj_dij: What's up?
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- # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ, ready when you are
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- # [16:11] <@yzen> tbsaunde ping
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- # [16:16] <aaronlev> yo richardschwerdtfeger
- # [16:16] <aaronlev> pretty long user name
- # [16:16] <richardschwerdtfeger> Hi Aaron
- # [16:16] <aaronlev> thank god for autocomplete
- # [16:16] <richardschwerdtfeger> yeah,
- # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> never got around to changing it.
- # [16:17] <@davidb> lol
- # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> but you know who it was.
- # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> how have you been?
- # [16:17] <aaronlev> pretty awesome
- # [16:17] <aaronlev> life is good
- # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> yzen: pong
- # [16:18] <aaronlev> looking forward to reconnecting with folks at some point
- # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> how is that? doing cool work? kids good? traveling? etc.
- # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> yzen?
- # [16:18] <@davidb> hey you guys going to CSUN?
- # [16:18] <aaronlev> richardschwerdtfeger: all of it
- # [16:18] <@yzen> tbsaunde would you have time to review bug 1056803?
- # [16:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056803 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich — Add an object attribute changed event interface.
- # [16:19] * aaronlev raises his coffee in toast of all his old accessibility friends
- # [16:19] <@davidb> cheers
- # [16:19] <aaronlev> i need to say hi to everyone once in a while
- # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> yzen: sometime today yeah
- # [16:19] <aaronlev> csun, yep
- # [16:19] <aaronlev> going to toronto accessibility camp as well
- # [16:19] <@davidb> oh yeah
- # [16:19] <richardschwerdtfeger> cool!
- # [16:20] <aaronlev> davidb: you're going right?
- # [16:20] <@yzen> tbsaunde awesome, no rush!
- # [16:20] <@davidb> aaronlev, plan to
- # [16:20] <aaronlev> surkov: yo, you gotta come to the toronto accessibility conference
- # [16:20] <richardschwerdtfeger> david, you are buying the beer right?
- # [16:20] <aaronlev> it was really impressive last year
- # [16:20] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger :)
- # [16:20] <@davidb> it could happen
- # [16:20] <@surkov> aaronlev: sounds good
- # [16:20] <aaronlev> gotta register
- # [16:20] <@surkov> link?
- # [16:21] <richardschwerdtfeger> aaronlev, looking out for you :-)
- # [16:21] <aaronlev> i just rgistered myself
- # [16:21] <aaronlev> www.accessibilitycampto.org/register.php
- # [16:21] <@surkov> thks!
- # [16:21] <@davidb> i already registered
- # [16:21] <@davidb> surkov it is a saturday i think
- # [16:21] <aaronlev> richardschwerdtfeger: meaning? :) ....
- # [16:22] <@davidb> aaronlev, making sure i buy you beer :)
- # [16:22] <richardschwerdtfeger> aarlonlev, free beer from David
- # [16:22] <aaronlev> haha
- # [16:22] <richardschwerdtfeger> davidb, you going to be at TPAC?
- # [16:22] <aaronlev> i had the smoker going all afternoon yesterday
- # [16:22] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger, haven't thought about it
- # [16:22] <aaronlev> ribs, cornish hens, salmon, more
- # [16:23] <aaronlev> good time to drink a beer
- # [16:23] <richardschwerdtfeger> arronlev, what do you have for a smoker?
- # [16:24] <aaronlev> i can't remember the brand: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152216839481090&set=np.390625130.643207501&type=1&theater¬if_t=close_friend_activity
- # [16:24] <aaronlev> not sure if it will let you see that or not
- # [16:24] <aaronlev> it has 2 doors, a tall upright one
- # [16:25] <richardschwerdtfeger> aarlonlev, says the page is unavailable
- # [16:25] <richardschwerdtfeger> aaronlev, I have been looking at this: https://www.google.com/search?q=bradley+smoker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=bradley+smoker&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=shop
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- # [16:26] <aaronlev> yep, you really can't go wrong
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- # [16:26] <aaronlev> i need to use propane
- # [16:26] <richardschwerdtfeger> I have been hearing good things about it.
- # [16:27] <@surkov> aaronlev: unfortunately it looks that I have to move my family to Cirque du Soleil 27 September
- # [16:32] <@davidb> surkov, your family is joining the circus?
- # [16:32] * @davidb <-- always the last to know
- # [16:32] <@surkov> davidb: joining? not sure I get you
- # [16:33] <@davidb> just kidding around
- # [16:33] <@surkov> ok, good :)
- # [16:33] <@davidb> choosing a meaning for "move my family to"
- # [16:33] <@davidb> :)
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- # [16:34] * @tbsaunde was confused by that phrasing ;)
- # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> Heh, English with its lots of similar phrases! :)
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- # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> Hi aaronlev! :)
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- # [17:17] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gmail.com on bug 1020039.
- # [17:17] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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- # [17:19] <satdav> davidb, Hello one of the SuMo staff was looking for you
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- # [17:20] <satdav> I told her to email you, it was about speaking to your self about accessibility training, and what to look out for in SuMo
- # [17:20] <satdav> for accessibility related stuff
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- # [17:57] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ping
- # [17:58] <joanie> tbsaunde: pong
- # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> joanie: unping, seems the issue was a gohst
- # [18:02] <joanie> heh
- # [18:03] <@tbsaunde> joanie: though btw I bet that google search nstuff is why "want" a caret that can move within a combobox
- # [18:04] <joanie> I'd have to look.
- # [18:04] <joanie> If the items are selectable, like an expanded combo box
- # [18:04] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'm just guessing ;)
- # [18:04] <joanie> then I don't think we do want a caret
- # [18:04] <joanie> I think we want selection to occur
- # [18:05] <@tbsaunde> I think what's going though just from reading mail is that you have a expandable combox, but you can also type in it
- # [18:05] <joanie> I'd have to see what is happening with combo boxes with entries
- # [18:05] <joanie> but I'm on holiday
- # [18:05] <joanie> was asleep after hacking on Orca all night
- # [18:05] <@tbsaunde> then you shouldn't be here ;p
- # [18:06] <joanie> sadly I was asked for more details on my response to the W3C re longdesc
- # [18:06] * joanie sighs
- # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1055004 from --- to FIXED.
- # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1055004 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [18:06] <joanie> but I am going back to "away"
- # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1055004 from --- to mozilla34.
- # [18:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — FIXED, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
- # [18:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gmail.com) on bug 1055004.
- # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> food?
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- # [18:20] <aaronlev> hey MarcoZ good to "see you", at least online
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- # [19:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: can you look at that intermitant test thing? or what are you up to?
- # [19:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: bug number?
- # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: bug 1020039
- # [19:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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- # [19:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: isn’t it plugin related?
- # [19:04] <@surkov> ah no
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- # [19:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any ideas/
- # [19:10] <@surkov> need to take a look at log, must be timed related
- # [19:10] <@surkov> timed -> timing
- # [19:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: want to do that then?
- # [19:11] <@surkov> I’ll take a look
- # [19:12] <satdav> tbsaunde, hello I was wondering due to you use a screen reader what should we be looking out for at SuMo side regarding accessibility
- # [19:12] <@tbsaunde> thanks
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- # [19:24] <@yzen> eeejay ping
- # [19:24] <eeejay> yzen, hey
- # [19:25] <@yzen> eeejay hi, when we have a switch component, which role is the correct one
- # [19:25] <@yzen> >
- # [19:25] <@yzen> ?
- # [19:25] <eeejay> hah
- # [19:25] <eeejay> yzen, probably checkbutton. why?
- # [19:26] <@yzen> eeejay well, i am trying to use checkbox, but i get 2 checked messages
- # [19:26] <@yzen> since i m explicitly setting aria-checked on it
- # [19:26] <eeejay> hm, that sounds familiar. i thought we resolved that already
- # [19:26] <eeejay> maybe the vc is being reset?
- # [19:27] <@yzen> let me check
- # [19:27] <eeejay> yzen, you working on the switch component?
- # [19:28] <@yzen> eeejay working on contacts app
- # [19:28] <eeejay> yzen, cool
- # [19:28] <@yzen> there are a bunch of old widgets there that do what switch component does
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- # [19:28] <eeejay> i might apply the patch from bug 887541, and test web components to see that it actually resolves our issues
- # [19:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/887541 — NEW, wchen — Implement web components event retargeting.
- # [19:29] <@yzen> cool
- # [19:30] <eeejay> brb
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- # [20:01] <eeejay> yzen, how badly do we fail if there is no localized string in gaia?
- # [20:01] <satdav> davidb, ping me when you are about
- # [20:01] <@yzen> eeejay afaik it will just be silent
- # [20:01] <@davidb> źle
- # [20:01] <@yzen> for that string
- # [20:02] <eeejay> yzen, ok. asking because maxli has a patch for read-only
- # [20:02] <@yzen> eeejay ya i saw
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- # [20:03] <@yzen> eeejay we can open a follow up, but i m pretty sure it will just say nothing in place for readonly state
- # [20:03] <eeejay> yzen, i'm concerned that it is going to add chatter where we don't want it
- # [20:04] <eeejay> ie. do other arbitrary acc objects have that state?
- # [20:04] <@yzen> eeejay same, i was only hoping to add it to editable things
- # [20:05] <@yzen> eeejay i think we always report it
- # [20:05] <@davidb> surkov, maybe eeejay should steal the review on bug 980510 ?
- # [20:05] <eeejay> yzen, what do you mean?
- # [20:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/980510 — NEW — [AccessFu] After moving by granularity, swiping to next object brings up current object.
- # [20:05] <@yzen> eeejay just looking at the spec
- # [20:06] <@surkov> davidb: I’m fine with that
- # [20:06] <@yzen> eeejay things like columnheaers can have it, etc
- # [20:06] <eeejay> oh
- # [20:11] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gmail.com) on bug 1020039.
- # [20:11] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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- # [20:57] <satdav> davidb, ping
- # [21:03] <satdav> surkov, or yzen or tbsaunde if you are free we are having a meeting in 1 hour time about accessibility in the SuMo room
- # [21:03] <satdav> about accessibility
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- # [21:38] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from enndeakin@gmail.com on bug 990045.
- # [21:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
- # [21:39] <satdav> davidb, sent you a pm about the mailing list
- # [21:40] <@yzen> tbsaunde updated the patch for bug 1056803, thanks for the feedback
- # [21:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056803 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich — Add an object attribute changed event interface.
- # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1052054 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 1052054 from --- to FIXED.
- # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 1052054 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [21:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052054 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Rename accessfu-output event to accessibility-output
- # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 1052054 from FIXED to ---.
- # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 1052054 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
- # [21:54] <@tbsaunde> yzen: why are you still storing a string instead of an atom though?
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- # [22:21] <satdav> yzen, is their a accessibility forums for Mozilla
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- # [22:29] <satdav> surkov, is their any plans to update https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/AT-Windows-API
- # [22:29] <satdav> as Isee you are the one who last done it
- # [22:30] <@surkov> satdav: no nearest plans, why do you ask?
- # [22:30] <satdav> surkov, you free for a quick 5 minutes chat
- # [22:30] <satdav> in the sumo vidyo room
- # [22:32] <satdav> surkov, would you be planning on updating them
- # [22:33] <@surkov> iirc that document was simple port from old access pages, we had different set of documents but they are not updated nowdays
- # [22:33] <@surkov> I do not really make documentation stuffs these days
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- # [23:13] <@yzen> eeejay hey
- # [23:14] <eeejay> yzen, hi
- # [23:14] <@yzen> eeejay davidb and I noticed we don't say screen reader on any more, is that because of that event issue you worked on last week ?
- # [23:14] <@yzen> channel issue that is
- # [23:14] <@davidb> nor do i get any EBT speech
- # [23:15] <@davidb> i will debug more when out of meeting
- # [23:16] <@davidb> actually no sounds are working period
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- # [23:21] <eeejay> yzen, what we talking about?
- # [23:21] <@yzen> eeejay remember the issue with sounds channels and, if im not mistaken, a fix involving a timeout ?
- # [23:22] <eeejay> yzen, for volume change, or screen visibility?
- # [23:22] <eeejay> davidb, you using mozilla-inbound?
- # [23:22] <@yzen> eeejay the homescreen
- # [23:23] <eeejay> yzen, the homescreen going away issue? I ended up playing with the channels in the tts code, and it is not that. tts uses the 'normal' channel
- # [23:23] <eeejay> yzen, i got another fix in
- # [23:23] <eeejay> so the homescreen should never disappear anymore.
- # [23:24] <@yzen> eeejay oh ok, it might be something else then, i thing some time around last week we lost screen reader started/stopped notification... but i guess it's slightly different from davidb's problem since his build seems to be broken
- # [23:24] <@yzen> s/thing/think
- # [23:25] <eeejay> i landed the accessibility-output rename patch
- # [23:25] <eeejay> waiting for it to hit central, and then i will land the gaia patch
- # [23:25] <@yzen> cool
- # [23:25] <eeejay> at that point you will need updated both to get speech
- # [23:26] <@yzen> eeejay ok ill test then
- # [23:26] <eeejay> don't know if that is what davidb is experiencing
- # [23:26] <@yzen> eeejay well he s on the engineering build (the one we did in toronto for you as well) from m-c
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- # [23:33] <@davidb> the issue i have is that no sound comes out of my phone currently... for anything
- # [23:33] <@davidb> anyways gotta go
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