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  52. # [11:35] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@googlemail.com) on bug 919279.
  53. # [11:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/919279 — NEW — No consistent way to get from web page to menu bar and back using braille display
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  56. # [11:37] <@MarcoZ> Good day all!
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  78. # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> Hi surkov! How was camping?
  79. # [14:58] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  80. # [14:58] <@davidb> heyo!
  81. # [14:58] <@surkov> Hey, MarcoZ, yeah, it was quite good
  82. # [14:58] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  83. # [14:58] <@davidb> hi hi hi
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  88. # [15:10] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb, yzen! :)
  89. # [15:10] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
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  91. # [15:12] <dj_dij> help!
  92. # [15:13] <@MarcoZ> dj_dij: What's up?
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  109. # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ, ready when you are
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  111. # [16:11] <@yzen> tbsaunde ping
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  115. # [16:16] <aaronlev> yo richardschwerdtfeger
  116. # [16:16] <aaronlev> pretty long user name
  117. # [16:16] <richardschwerdtfeger> Hi Aaron
  118. # [16:16] <aaronlev> thank god for autocomplete
  119. # [16:16] <richardschwerdtfeger> yeah,
  120. # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> never got around to changing it.
  121. # [16:17] <@davidb> lol
  122. # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> but you know who it was.
  123. # [16:17] <richardschwerdtfeger> how have you been?
  124. # [16:17] <aaronlev> pretty awesome
  125. # [16:17] <aaronlev> life is good
  126. # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> yzen: pong
  127. # [16:18] <aaronlev> looking forward to reconnecting with folks at some point
  128. # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> how is that? doing cool work? kids good? traveling? etc.
  129. # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> yzen?
  130. # [16:18] <@davidb> hey you guys going to CSUN?
  131. # [16:18] <aaronlev> richardschwerdtfeger: all of it
  132. # [16:18] <@yzen> tbsaunde would you have time to review bug 1056803?
  133. # [16:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056803 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich — Add an object attribute changed event interface.
  134. # [16:19] * aaronlev raises his coffee in toast of all his old accessibility friends
  135. # [16:19] <@davidb> cheers
  136. # [16:19] <aaronlev> i need to say hi to everyone once in a while
  137. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> yzen: sometime today yeah
  138. # [16:19] <aaronlev> csun, yep
  139. # [16:19] <aaronlev> going to toronto accessibility camp as well
  140. # [16:19] <@davidb> oh yeah
  141. # [16:19] <richardschwerdtfeger> cool!
  142. # [16:20] <aaronlev> davidb: you're going right?
  143. # [16:20] <@yzen> tbsaunde awesome, no rush!
  144. # [16:20] <@davidb> aaronlev, plan to
  145. # [16:20] <aaronlev> surkov: yo, you gotta come to the toronto accessibility conference
  146. # [16:20] <richardschwerdtfeger> david, you are buying the beer right?
  147. # [16:20] <aaronlev> it was really impressive last year
  148. # [16:20] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger :)
  149. # [16:20] <@davidb> it could happen
  150. # [16:20] <@surkov> aaronlev: sounds good
  151. # [16:20] <aaronlev> gotta register
  152. # [16:20] <@surkov> link?
  153. # [16:21] <richardschwerdtfeger> aaronlev, looking out for you :-)
  154. # [16:21] <aaronlev> i just rgistered myself
  155. # [16:21] <aaronlev> www.accessibilitycampto.org/register.php
  156. # [16:21] <@surkov> thks!
  157. # [16:21] <@davidb> i already registered
  158. # [16:21] <@davidb> surkov it is a saturday i think
  159. # [16:21] <aaronlev> richardschwerdtfeger: meaning? :) ....
  160. # [16:22] <@davidb> aaronlev, making sure i buy you beer :)
  161. # [16:22] <richardschwerdtfeger> aarlonlev, free beer from David
  162. # [16:22] <aaronlev> haha
  163. # [16:22] <richardschwerdtfeger> davidb, you going to be at TPAC?
  164. # [16:22] <aaronlev> i had the smoker going all afternoon yesterday
  165. # [16:22] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger, haven't thought about it
  166. # [16:22] <aaronlev> ribs, cornish hens, salmon, more
  167. # [16:23] <aaronlev> good time to drink a beer
  168. # [16:23] <richardschwerdtfeger> arronlev, what do you have for a smoker?
  169. # [16:24] <aaronlev> i can't remember the brand: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152216839481090&set=np.390625130.643207501&type=1&theater&notif_t=close_friend_activity
  170. # [16:24] <aaronlev> not sure if it will let you see that or not
  171. # [16:24] <aaronlev> it has 2 doors, a tall upright one
  172. # [16:25] <richardschwerdtfeger> aarlonlev, says the page is unavailable
  173. # [16:25] <richardschwerdtfeger> aaronlev, I have been looking at this: https://www.google.com/search?q=bradley+smoker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=bradley+smoker&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=shop
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  175. # [16:26] <aaronlev> yep, you really can't go wrong
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  177. # [16:26] <aaronlev> i need to use propane
  178. # [16:26] <richardschwerdtfeger> I have been hearing good things about it.
  179. # [16:27] <@surkov> aaronlev: unfortunately it looks that I have to move my family to Cirque du Soleil 27 September
  180. # [16:32] <@davidb> surkov, your family is joining the circus?
  181. # [16:32] * @davidb <-- always the last to know
  182. # [16:32] <@surkov> davidb: joining? not sure I get you
  183. # [16:33] <@davidb> just kidding around
  184. # [16:33] <@surkov> ok, good :)
  185. # [16:33] <@davidb> choosing a meaning for "move my family to"
  186. # [16:33] <@davidb> :)
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  188. # [16:34] * @tbsaunde was confused by that phrasing ;)
  189. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> Heh, English with its lots of similar phrases! :)
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  191. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> Hi aaronlev! :)
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  196. # [17:17] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gmail.com on bug 1020039.
  197. # [17:17] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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  200. # [17:19] <satdav> davidb, Hello one of the SuMo staff was looking for you
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  202. # [17:20] <satdav> I told her to email you, it was about speaking to your self about accessibility training, and what to look out for in SuMo
  203. # [17:20] <satdav> for accessibility related stuff
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  207. # [17:57] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ping
  208. # [17:58] <joanie> tbsaunde: pong
  209. # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> joanie: unping, seems the issue was a gohst
  210. # [18:02] <joanie> heh
  211. # [18:03] <@tbsaunde> joanie: though btw I bet that google search nstuff is why "want" a caret that can move within a combobox
  212. # [18:04] <joanie> I'd have to look.
  213. # [18:04] <joanie> If the items are selectable, like an expanded combo box
  214. # [18:04] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'm just guessing ;)
  215. # [18:04] <joanie> then I don't think we do want a caret
  216. # [18:04] <joanie> I think we want selection to occur
  217. # [18:05] <@tbsaunde> I think what's going though just from reading mail is that you have a expandable combox, but you can also type in it
  218. # [18:05] <joanie> I'd have to see what is happening with combo boxes with entries
  219. # [18:05] <joanie> but I'm on holiday
  220. # [18:05] <joanie> was asleep after hacking on Orca all night
  221. # [18:05] <@tbsaunde> then you shouldn't be here ;p
  222. # [18:06] <joanie> sadly I was asked for more details on my response to the W3C re longdesc
  223. # [18:06] * joanie sighs
  224. # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1055004 from --- to FIXED.
  225. # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1055004 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  226. # [18:06] <joanie> but I am going back to "away"
  227. # [18:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1055004 from --- to mozilla34.
  228. # [18:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1055004 — FIXED, eitan — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIContent*, bool)
  229. # [18:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gmail.com) on bug 1055004.
  230. # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> food?
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  232. # [18:20] <aaronlev> hey MarcoZ good to "see you", at least online
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  241. # [19:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: can you look at that intermitant test thing? or what are you up to?
  242. # [19:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: bug number?
  243. # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: bug 1020039
  244. # [19:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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  246. # [19:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: isn’t it plugin related?
  247. # [19:04] <@surkov> ah no
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  251. # [19:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any ideas/
  252. # [19:10] <@surkov> need to take a look at log, must be timed related
  253. # [19:10] <@surkov> timed -> timing
  254. # [19:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: want to do that then?
  255. # [19:11] <@surkov> I’ll take a look
  256. # [19:12] <satdav> tbsaunde, hello I was wondering due to you use a screen reader what should we be looking out for at SuMo side regarding accessibility
  257. # [19:12] <@tbsaunde> thanks
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  259. # [19:24] <@yzen> eeejay ping
  260. # [19:24] <eeejay> yzen, hey
  261. # [19:25] <@yzen> eeejay hi, when we have a switch component, which role is the correct one
  262. # [19:25] <@yzen> >
  263. # [19:25] <@yzen> ?
  264. # [19:25] <eeejay> hah
  265. # [19:25] <eeejay> yzen, probably checkbutton. why?
  266. # [19:26] <@yzen> eeejay well, i am trying to use checkbox, but i get 2 checked messages
  267. # [19:26] <@yzen> since i m explicitly setting aria-checked on it
  268. # [19:26] <eeejay> hm, that sounds familiar. i thought we resolved that already
  269. # [19:26] <eeejay> maybe the vc is being reset?
  270. # [19:27] <@yzen> let me check
  271. # [19:27] <eeejay> yzen, you working on the switch component?
  272. # [19:28] <@yzen> eeejay working on contacts app
  273. # [19:28] <eeejay> yzen, cool
  274. # [19:28] <@yzen> there are a bunch of old widgets there that do what switch component does
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  276. # [19:28] <eeejay> i might apply the patch from bug 887541, and test web components to see that it actually resolves our issues
  277. # [19:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/887541 — NEW, wchen — Implement web components event retargeting.
  278. # [19:29] <@yzen> cool
  279. # [19:30] <eeejay> brb
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  284. # [20:01] <eeejay> yzen, how badly do we fail if there is no localized string in gaia?
  285. # [20:01] <satdav> davidb, ping me when you are about
  286. # [20:01] <@yzen> eeejay afaik it will just be silent
  287. # [20:01] <@davidb> źle
  288. # [20:01] <@yzen> for that string
  289. # [20:02] <eeejay> yzen, ok. asking because maxli has a patch for read-only
  290. # [20:02] <@yzen> eeejay ya i saw
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  294. # [20:03] <@yzen> eeejay we can open a follow up, but i m pretty sure it will just say nothing in place for readonly state
  295. # [20:03] <eeejay> yzen, i'm concerned that it is going to add chatter where we don't want it
  296. # [20:04] <eeejay> ie. do other arbitrary acc objects have that state?
  297. # [20:04] <@yzen> eeejay same, i was only hoping to add it to editable things
  298. # [20:05] <@yzen> eeejay i think we always report it
  299. # [20:05] <@davidb> surkov, maybe eeejay should steal the review on bug 980510 ?
  300. # [20:05] <eeejay> yzen, what do you mean?
  301. # [20:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/980510 — NEW — [AccessFu] After moving by granularity, swiping to next object brings up current object.
  302. # [20:05] <@yzen> eeejay just looking at the spec
  303. # [20:06] <@surkov> davidb: I’m fine with that
  304. # [20:06] <@yzen> eeejay things like columnheaers can have it, etc
  305. # [20:06] <eeejay> oh
  306. # [20:11] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gmail.com) on bug 1020039.
  307. # [20:11] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — NEW — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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  317. # [20:57] <satdav> davidb, ping
  318. # [21:03] <satdav> surkov, or yzen or tbsaunde if you are free we are having a meeting in 1 hour time about accessibility in the SuMo room
  319. # [21:03] <satdav> about accessibility
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  329. # [21:38] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com requested needinfo from enndeakin@gmail.com on bug 990045.
  330. # [21:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/990045 — NEW — Don't Auto-focus the Save Password prompt
  331. # [21:39] <satdav> davidb, sent you a pm about the mailing list
  332. # [21:40] <@yzen> tbsaunde updated the patch for bug 1056803, thanks for the feedback
  333. # [21:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1056803 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich — Add an object attribute changed event interface.
  334. # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1052054 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  335. # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 1052054 from --- to FIXED.
  336. # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 1052054 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  337. # [21:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052054 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Rename accessfu-output event to accessibility-output
  338. # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 1052054 from FIXED to ---.
  339. # [21:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 1052054 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  340. # [21:54] <@tbsaunde> yzen: why are you still storing a string instead of an atom though?
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  345. # [22:21] <satdav> yzen, is their a accessibility forums for Mozilla
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  347. # [22:29] <satdav> surkov, is their any plans to update https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/AT-Windows-API
  348. # [22:29] <satdav> as Isee you are the one who last done it
  349. # [22:30] <@surkov> satdav: no nearest plans, why do you ask?
  350. # [22:30] <satdav> surkov, you free for a quick 5 minutes chat
  351. # [22:30] <satdav> in the sumo vidyo room
  352. # [22:32] <satdav> surkov, would you be planning on updating them
  353. # [22:33] <@surkov> iirc that document was simple port from old access pages, we had different set of documents but they are not updated nowdays
  354. # [22:33] <@surkov> I do not really make documentation stuffs these days
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  364. # [23:13] <@yzen> eeejay hey
  365. # [23:14] <eeejay> yzen, hi
  366. # [23:14] <@yzen> eeejay davidb and I noticed we don't say screen reader on any more, is that because of that event issue you worked on last week ?
  367. # [23:14] <@yzen> channel issue that is
  368. # [23:14] <@davidb> nor do i get any EBT speech
  369. # [23:15] <@davidb> i will debug more when out of meeting
  370. # [23:16] <@davidb> actually no sounds are working period
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  372. # [23:21] <eeejay> yzen, what we talking about?
  373. # [23:21] <@yzen> eeejay remember the issue with sounds channels and, if im not mistaken, a fix involving a timeout ?
  374. # [23:22] <eeejay> yzen, for volume change, or screen visibility?
  375. # [23:22] <eeejay> davidb, you using mozilla-inbound?
  376. # [23:22] <@yzen> eeejay the homescreen
  377. # [23:23] <eeejay> yzen, the homescreen going away issue? I ended up playing with the channels in the tts code, and it is not that. tts uses the 'normal' channel
  378. # [23:23] <eeejay> yzen, i got another fix in
  379. # [23:23] <eeejay> so the homescreen should never disappear anymore.
  380. # [23:24] <@yzen> eeejay oh ok, it might be something else then, i thing some time around last week we lost screen reader started/stopped notification... but i guess it's slightly different from davidb's problem since his build seems to be broken
  381. # [23:24] <@yzen> s/thing/think
  382. # [23:25] <eeejay> i landed the accessibility-output rename patch
  383. # [23:25] <eeejay> waiting for it to hit central, and then i will land the gaia patch
  384. # [23:25] <@yzen> cool
  385. # [23:25] <eeejay> at that point you will need updated both to get speech
  386. # [23:26] <@yzen> eeejay ok ill test then
  387. # [23:26] <eeejay> don't know if that is what davidb is experiencing
  388. # [23:26] <@yzen> eeejay well he s on the engineering build (the one we did in toronto for you as well) from m-c
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  392. # [23:33] <@davidb> the issue i have is that no sound comes out of my phone currently... for anything
  393. # [23:33] <@davidb> anyways gotta go
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