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  12. # [01:12] <yash_> eeejay: Hey, I am getting a timeout when running the mochitest on my system. Here's the output : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/6151404
  13. # [01:13] <yash_> the try log shows the error almost at the point when my system shows timeout.
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  18. # [01:35] <eeejay> yash_, don't know. it is not very telling. i suggest you sprinkle some info() prints and figure it out
  19. # [01:35] <eeejay> hard to tell from that output
  20. # [02:25] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1052054 from --- to FIXED.
  21. # [02:25] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1052054 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  22. # [02:25] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1052054 from --- to mozilla34.
  23. # [02:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052054 — FIXED, eitan — [AccessFu] Rename accessfu-output event to accessibility-output
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  72. # [12:54] <SteveF> icaag: you name always reads a I cack to me, which is sorta like saying you are taking a dump - i have a childish mind
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  90. # [14:43] <SteveF> MarcoZ: have run into an issue with <div> mapping to IA2 section role. A web app uses divs with tabindex=0 and it also requires the virtual cursor be turned off. With NVDA in this circumstance it announces the role when the div gets focus.
  91. # [14:45] <SteveF> MarcoZ: think that div should map to grouping role as section has specific meaning in HTML
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  94. # [14:54] <@davidb> heyo!
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  97. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Hm, should the role on that div not be something more useful instead? Not sure if we can easily change the div role of "section" without breaking stuff. surkov might know where the history if div mapping to section comes from.
  98. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Somehow a role of "grouping" sounds a bit scary to me. With the many divs out there in a single web app...
  99. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hi!
  100. # [15:32] <@davidb> hi hi
  101. # [15:32] <@surkov> I guess gropuing role on div breaks somehow user expierence
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  103. # [15:33] <@surkov> btw I’m not sure I follow the focusable div problem
  104. # [15:34] <SteveF> MarcoZ: in the cases where it is used in the web app grouping is best role, i think. In this case, problem is <div> does not represent anything itself in HTML so having it as section seems incorrect
  105. # [15:34] <SteveF> and in this case was reported as incorrect noise by user
  106. # [15:35] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: So how do we distinguish a div from another? Meaning how are we supposed to tell when to expose it or not?
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  108. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: The moment a div becomes focusable the user is obviously meant to do something with it. So it should probably get a proper role from the web app author.
  109. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> I mean, they *did* go to the length of putting tabindex on it.
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  112. # [15:39] <SteveF> MarcoZ: yes thats what i have recommended, in some cases role=group made sense
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  114. # [15:43] <SteveF> MarcoZ: its an edge case anyway, unless in focus cursor the div not announced
  115. # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Yeah, and I'd say it's an author error. I know "section" may technically not be the best role for divs, but grouping seems even more wrong to me.
  116. # [15:44] <@firebot> wilsonpage@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1057304 from --- to FIXED.
  117. # [15:44] <@firebot> wilsonpage@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1057304 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  118. # [15:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1057304 — FIXED — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::ProcessContentInserted(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsTArray<n
  119. # [15:45] <SteveF> MarcoZ: while I'm on the subject why is main element exposed as role=paragraph now that can't be right :-)
  120. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Hm, because the original author wrote it as such, the review passed, and nobody objected?
  121. # [15:48] <SteveF> MarcoZ: may be
  122. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: WASN't it you even who wrote the patch for main? Don't remember.
  123. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> Whoops, didn't mean to write all-caps there.
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  125. # [15:50] <SteveF> MarcoZ: no, i aksed daveb about it at the time he said something to the effect of "doesn't matter for IA2" which i thought was odd, but don't question the BOSS
  126. # [15:52] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  127. # [15:53] <@davidb> the boss has no clothes
  128. # [15:54] <@davidb> what are we talking about?
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  130. # [15:55] <SteveF> MarcoZ: davidb: never mind it got sorted ages ago, had same discussion and filed bug when i was younger
  131. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Oh, which bug? The original implementation was done by hsivonen in Bug 820508.
  132. # [15:56] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/820508 — FIXED, hsivonen — Add support for <main> element
  133. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Exposure of the <main> element.
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  135. # [16:00] <SteveF> MarcoZ: didn't get resolved in end, we had a conversation about it back at start of 2013 http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/accessibility/20130130#l-96
  136. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: So all good?
  137. # [16:01] <@yzen> thanks MarcoZ ;)
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  139. # [16:01] <SteveF> MarcoZ: sure unless somebody wants to expose paragraphs
  140. # [16:02] <SteveF> marcoZ: will file bug :-)
  141. # [16:03] <@davidb> it sounded like everything just worked
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  143. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Just re-read the conversation.
  144. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yup it definitely does!
  145. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> Nobody's complained in the last 20 months.
  146. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> yzen: You're welcome! :)
  147. # [16:19] <SteveF> MarcoZ: damn it I am complaining now...!
  148. # [16:20] <@MarcoZ> *chuckles* But you said "all good" previously. :D
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  156. # [17:10] <davidb> MarcoZ, richardschwerdtfeger is asking about pdf.js a11y in #developers
  157. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Umm...ah....OK....pdf....umm... ;)
  158. # [17:15] <davidb> heh
  159. # [17:17] <@MarcoZ> richardschwerdtfeger: I pointed out to a PDF-affine group last year that we'd need help with tagged PDF support in pdf.js if they wanted it. They were all interested in seeing it happen. You know...Umm... Just not by them. :/
  160. # [17:18] <davidb> yeah we don't really have anyone to work on it, best person is now our CTO ;)
  161. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Right, and that means, no longer available.
  162. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> But perhaps IBM would like to work on it and contribute?
  163. # [17:20] <davidb> heh, I suggested that in a PM :)
  164. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> Heh
  165. # [17:28] <davidb> ok i need to step away for a bunch
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  182. # [19:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1058750 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  183. # [19:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1058750 — NEW — [AccessFu] Can't activate keyboard in unfocused iframes
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  186. # [20:03] <davidb> eeejay,yzen, the "VC rectangle needs to work with scaled content." goal is done right?
  187. # [20:05] <eeejay> davidb, yes
  188. # [20:05] <davidb> thanks
  189. # [20:24] <@yzen> eeejay was the gaia patch landed ? i lost the sr too :)
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  191. # [20:25] <eeejay> yzen, not yet
  192. # [20:26] <@yzen> cool, ill apply your pr locally
  193. # [20:27] <@yzen> eeejay was it part of edge gestures bug ?
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  210. # [21:40] <eeejay> yzen, landed.. sorry
  211. # [21:40] <@yzen> eeejay \o/
  212. # [21:40] <eeejay> i was waiting for m-c, and then for tests to be green
  213. # [21:41] <@yzen> eeejay does it mean the simulator will be broken ?
  214. # [21:41] <eeejay> yzen, yes :(
  215. # [21:41] <eeejay> i'll update it
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  218. # [21:49] <@yzen> eeejay i see some weird issue with the latest masters :( . You know how we do visibility along with the transition of screen, for some reason now the vc highlight follow it off screen and then disappears (since the visibility is unset), but the layout gets messed up now
  219. # [21:49] <@yzen> s/follow/follows
  220. # [21:49] <eeejay> uck
  221. # [21:49] <eeejay> which app?
  222. # [21:50] <@yzen> contacts at least now looking at other stuff
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  233. # [22:17] <eeejay> yzen, updated simulator is already on amo
  234. # [22:21] <@firebot> alice0775@yahoo.co.jp changed the Component on bug 1058423 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  235. # [22:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1058423 — NEW — Hangs up at loading Ohloh Code Search
  236. # [22:27] <@yzen> eeejay wow thans!
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