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  1. # Session Start: Sat Sep 13 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  12. # [01:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 1066165.
  13. # [01:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1066165 — UNCONFIRMED — After using accessibility tool FF31 freezes while modifying the DOM with huge elements
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  21. # [02:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1066901 filed by wmccloskey@mozilla.com.
  22. # [02:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1066901 — NEW — e10s accessibility prompt has problems
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  201. # [18:48] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1020039 from --- to FIXED.
  202. # [18:48] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1020039 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  203. # [18:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1020039 — FIXED, surkov.alexander — Intermittent relations/test_embeds.xul | Can't get accessible for [object XULElement]
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  219. # [22:08] <joanie> Silly user experience question: Should Tab-focusable objects have Tab-focusable children? Is this a feature or a bug, in other words. :)
  220. # [22:13] <tbsaunde> joanie: I guess it depends on the use? I don't see an immediate reason it should be illegal though its sounds kind of funny
  221. # [22:14] <joanie> Thunderbird does it for the 'edit contact' button
  222. # [22:14] <joanie> so tabbing forward you focus the readonly entry whose child is the button
  223. # [22:14] <joanie> when you tab forward again, you give focus to that child button
  224. # [22:15] <joanie> going forward doesn't cause Orca to do anything annoying
  225. # [22:15] <joanie> but when shift tabbing, the edit contact button gets focus first, and Orca presents the ancestry for context
  226. # [22:15] <joanie> you shift tab again and the parent entry (which was just prsented as context) gets focus
  227. # [22:15] <joanie> so Orca is chatty.
  228. # [22:16] <joanie> And the fix seems like a sad hack
  229. # [22:16] <joanie> so before I do that, I'm questioning if this is bad ui design which should be changed by non-joanie /me smiles
  230. # [22:16] <tbsaunde> joanie: so, I assume that <div tabindex=..><div tabindex=...>... is legal
  231. # [22:16] <joanie> dunno
  232. # [22:17] <joanie> this is the first I've thought about it
  233. # [22:17] <joanie> but I don't like it ;)
  234. # [22:17] <tbsaunde> joanie: so, other than for AT stuff it doesn't really mater in the UI if its a child or a sibling right?
  235. # [22:18] <joanie> conceptually, and visually (focus rectangle), it strikes me as weird
  236. # [22:18] <joanie> but it does not impact my usage
  237. # [22:19] <joanie> actually the focus rectangle isn't drawn around both
  238. # [22:19] <joanie> so I withdraw that
  239. # [22:19] <joanie> I stand by my "it's conceptually weird" assertion, however ;)
  240. # [22:20] <tbsaunde> joanie: fair, not sure what I think on that front, and I see how its hard to deal with for you
  241. # [22:21] <tbsaunde> and really I don't care one way or another, but it seems to me you might want to do something nice even if its crazy because $website can do this too
  242. # [22:22] <tbsaunde> but its probably not hard to change tb though talk to Jamie about that, he's the one who seems to fix tb things
  243. # [22:23] <joanie> Yeah, I will probably deal with it in Orca, but after code freeze
  244. # [22:23] <tbsaunde> joanie: you should also talk to Jamie about that header thing, he fixed something very related in tb a little while ago, either he fixed or he broke it probably ;)
  245. # [22:24] <joanie> That might explain the ROLE_UNKNOWN
  246. # [22:24] <joanie> or maybe that is what he fixed
  247. # [22:24] <joanie> and it hasn't hit stable yet
  248. # [22:30] <tbsaunde> joanie: ROLE_UNKNOWN? I was talking about bug 1066974 which seems to be unrelated to roles
  249. # [22:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1066974 — UNCONFIRMED — The From label, To label and ETC are not exposed correctly to orca.
  250. # [22:31] <joanie> yes and no
  251. # [22:31] <joanie> yes, unrelated
  252. # [22:31] <joanie> but the parent, which has the correct name ("CC") is role unknown
  253. # [22:31] <joanie> and a parent of the thing that is broken
  254. # [22:31] <joanie> role unknown should not appear in the tree
  255. # [22:32] <joanie> if you don't know what it is, I sure as hell don't
  256. # [22:32] <joanie> s/you/the app/
  257. # [22:32] <joanie> s/me/the screen reader/
  258. # [22:32] <joanie> s/hell/heck/
  259. # [22:32] <joanie> ;)
  260. # [22:37] <tbsaunde> joanie: hm, interesting mention it in the bug I guess
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  262. # Session Close: Sun Sep 14 00:00:00 2014

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