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  84. # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> yzen: eeejay: Hi! The SIM PIN entry is once again broken in the 2.1 builds. Some time between Tuesday's and the current build.
  85. # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Could the uplift of bug 1062816 require a backout of some other workaround or so?
  86. # [15:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1062816 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — [2.1][Flame] Rocketbar often accepts just one character press and starts then loading some web page
  87. # [15:01] <@MarcoZ> shit...Bug 1062016 even.
  88. # [15:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1062016 — FIXED, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] Editing state does not remain consistent with focused state of entry
  89. # [15:07] <@MarcoZ> *bangs head against desk* Why does this stuff continually break?
  90. # [15:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1068734 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  91. # [15:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1068734 — NEW, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — dexpcomify remaining accessible classes
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  99. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Morning all!
  100. # [15:31] <@davidb> heyo
  101. # [15:32] <@davidb> FWIW I am WFH today
  102. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hey, what a coincidence! Me too! :)
  103. # [15:33] <@davidb> pffft
  104. # [15:33] <@davidb> :)
  105. # [15:34] <@MarcoZ> Hi yzen! Good morning!
  106. # [15:36] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
  107. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Did you see my earlier messages?
  108. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> yzen: The PIN entry is broken again in aurora/2.1.
  109. # [15:37] <Gijs> MarcoZ / davidb: so let's say I have a single label with the start of the sentence, followed by 3 radio buttons, all 3 having a label which completes the sentence, in XUL.
  110. # [15:37] <Gijs> If it helps, the start is "Forget the last"
  111. # [15:37] <Gijs> and the radio buttons have time frame labels (5 minutes, 1 hour, all day)
  112. # [15:38] <Gijs> MarcoZ / davidb: what's the correct way to label this? Do I need to make some kind of link between the start of the sentence and the radiogroup?
  113. # [15:38] <Gijs> set aria-labelledby="description-id" on the XUL <radiogroup>, or something?
  114. # [15:38] <@davidb> this is MarcoZ's ballywick
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  117. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Well, the correct thing would be to give the label and radio buttons IDs, and then set aria-labelledby on the radio buttons pointing to a string that first has the ID of the label and then the ID of that individual radio button, separted by a space.
  118. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: However, in the case of a radio button group, it would be OK to simply correctly use a radiogroup and the buttons within them, label them correctly so that the first half of the sentence gets spoken as the user moves into the radio group initially, but doesn't get repeated when they change the radio button focus with the arrow keys.
  119. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> In fact, some users would even prefer the title of the radio group be spoken only once as long as one moves focus within it only.
  120. # [16:04] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right... but it seems like a radiogroup doesn't have a label attribute, so I need to use aria-labelledby on it to point to the <description> or <label> that has the label for the group, right?
  121. # [16:04] <Gijs> (the description needs to be there for sighted users, too)
  122. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: An example of a good radio group/radio buttons would be in Settings, General, Save Downloads to...
  123. # [16:04] <Gijs> MarcoZ: ah, great, I'll have a look at what it does
  124. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> Gijs: Correct.
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  126. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> yzen: eeejay: So, any idea what could have caused the SIM PIN entry to fail yet once again? As soon as I try to focus the password field by double-tapping, focus gets redirected to the header, and the keyboard disappears again.
  127. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> This is on the 2.1 Aurora builds, not Master.
  128. # [16:18] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, I seem to be unable to set a PIN on my sim to test that. just tried
  129. # [16:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, master works?
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  133. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Don't want to put Master on that device currently, to be able to keep track of the status of 2.1. And only have that one SIM card and can't swap it to another device without help. And my wife isn't available currently.
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  140. # [17:20] <slee> MarcoZ: ping
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  144. # [17:29] <slee> guys: where can I see the code used to build FirefoxOS nightlies?
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  146. # [17:41] <tbsaunde> does anyone know which of the gaia test things do a11y stuff?
  147. # [17:41] <@davidb> yzen, eeejay ^
  148. # [17:42] <@yzen> tbsaunde we have gaia ui tests (python) for accessibility
  149. # [17:42] <@yzen> tbsaunde they run on try
  150. # [17:42] <tbsaunde> yzen: and which try chooser thing is that?
  151. # [17:43] <@eeejay> in tbpl it shows up as "Gip"
  152. # [17:44] <@yzen> tbsaunde gaia-ui-tests
  153. # [17:44] <@yzen> tbsaunde and b2g desktop builds
  154. # [17:44] <@eeejay> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/tests/atoms/accessibility.js
  155. # [17:45] <tbsaunde> yzen: k, I don't care what it does I just don't feel like being acked out over it
  156. # [17:45] <@yzen> tbsaunde ok
  157. # [17:54] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, surkov, if i change caretOffset in js on a text accessible, i should get a caret changed event, right?
  158. # [17:55] <@surkov> eeejay: technically you should but if you ask then probably you don’t
  159. # [17:55] <@surkov> right?
  160. # [17:56] <@eeejay> surkov, i am trying to understand code from maxli
  161. # [17:56] <@surkov> ok :)
  162. # [17:56] <@eeejay> surkov, we change the caretOffset and then manually present to the user
  163. # [17:56] <@surkov> I see
  164. # [17:57] <@eeejay> surkov, in linux, i see no a11y caret change events, but in mac i see one once in a while
  165. # [17:57] <@surkov> it’s strange, what a test case?
  166. # [17:58] <@eeejay> surkov, accText.caretOffset++, sometimes we get an event, sometimes not
  167. # [17:58] <@surkov> what accText is?
  168. # [18:00] <@eeejay> surkov, an entry accessible, for example
  169. # [18:01] <@surkov> ok, some debugging is needed
  170. # [18:01] <@eeejay> surkov, indeed!
  171. # [18:01] <@surkov> :)
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  175. # [18:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: know when mrbkap|pto gets back?
  176. # [18:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde, no idea. i don't see any recent pto in our app - but that could be because they are making pto private
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  182. # [19:22] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069449 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  183. # [19:22] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069449 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Input type number incremental value change does not result in any accessible events.
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  188. # [19:37] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde, anyone want to go deeper on bug 1066539? should we take the null check to stop the bleeding?
  189. # [19:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1066539 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocManager::AddListeners(nsIDocument*, bool)
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  191. # [19:38] <@surkov> davidb: I would go with null-check
  192. # [19:39] <@davidb> surkov, do you think if you spent a bit more time investigating we'd get closer to the root cause?
  193. # [19:39] <@surkov> davidb: probably, not sure how big that bit will be though
  194. # [19:40] <@davidb> yeah. crashes should get fairly high priority so it depends what priority stuff you are active on right now.
  195. # [19:40] <@davidb> it'd be awesome to know what is happening
  196. # [19:43] <@surkov> davidb: as you know we can quit the crash pretty quick by landing null-check, then we have some document creation issue, I’m not sure how it’s urgent. in the meantime I’m looking at xpcom tree segregation
  197. # [19:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde?
  198. # [19:45] <@surkov> davidb: anyway, it looks like tbsaunde has been driven the bug, so maybe you should address the question to him
  199. # [19:46] <@davidb> e10s beckons
  200. # [19:46] <@davidb> surkov btw did you see william chen's analysis on bug 1040735?
  201. # [19:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1040735 — ASSIGNED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::Accessible::BindToParent(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, unsigned int)
  202. # [19:46] <@surkov> I must missed it
  203. # [19:47] <@surkov> thanks for pointing it out
  204. # [19:47] <@davidb> you're very welcome
  205. # [19:47] <@davidb> (rare that you miss stuff)
  206. # [19:48] <@surkov> we all humans
  207. # [19:48] <tbsaunde> I don't see why xpcom stuff is very important, so I'd say figure out the document creation thing,
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  209. # [19:50] <tbsaunde> surkov: davidb ^
  210. # [19:51] <@surkov> yeah, I saw it
  211. # [19:51] <@davidb> me too
  212. # [19:51] <@davidb> (saw it)
  213. # [19:52] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gmail.com on bug 1061671.
  214. # [19:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1061671 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_content_integration.html | spoken: ["wow",{"string":"headingLevel","args":[1]},"su
  215. # [19:52] <@surkov> tbsaunde since you’ve got some discussion in the bug why don’t you want to continue it
  216. # [19:52] <@surkov> I guess it involves some code reading you might be familiar a bit with
  217. # [19:53] <@davidb> i looked around that code (not ours) and it was ... hairy.
  218. # [19:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: I'll see if there's more to say, but istm me it more wants poking at dump in debugger
  219. # [19:54] <tbsaunde> surkov: why don't *you* look at if you want to fix it?
  220. # [19:55] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I rather want to have it fixed :)
  221. # [19:55] <tbsaunde> huh?
  222. # [19:56] <@davidb> we have a bunch of crashers to go round
  223. # [19:56] <@davidb> (not enough STRs)
  224. # [19:56] <@surkov> we have to do somethign with that
  225. # [19:57] <tbsaunde> we don't have all that many
  226. # [19:57] <tbsaunde> ?
  227. # [19:57] <@surkov> my firefox crashes almost everyday, it seems like crashes are getting common problem for Mozilla
  228. # [19:57] <@davidb> we have 24 but i think we need to close a bunch as obsolete
  229. # [19:57] <@davidb> my FF rarely crashes
  230. # [19:57] <@surkov> that’s probably a difference in reaction :)
  231. # [19:57] <@davidb> surkov, are you sending reports to soccorro?
  232. # [19:58] <@surkov> I bet they are sent automatically
  233. # [19:58] <@davidb> about:crashes for me shows sept 9th as the last time
  234. # [19:58] <tbsaunde> davidb: same
  235. # [19:58] <@davidb> (and that was 3 times in rapid succession as i was debugging something)
  236. # [19:58] <tbsaunde> its been months for me
  237. # [19:58] <@davidb> that's great to hear
  238. # [20:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from yzenevich@mozilla.com on bug 1061671.
  239. # [20:03] <@davidb> hmmm i see a potentially exploitable stack for one of our crashers...
  240. # [20:04] <@davidb> oh no this one is slightly different
  241. # [20:04] * @davidb goes about filing
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  243. # [20:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde, probably surkov sees more crashes as he triages incoming bugs from certain AT vendors :)
  244. # [20:11] <@davidb> although hopefully not too many crashers
  245. # [20:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, nobugs ~== doesn't exist
  246. # [20:13] <@davidb> truth
  247. # [20:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde, you mentioned you'd see if there was more to say to nudge progress on that crasher, anything like that is great
  248. # [20:18] <@davidb> goes without saying
  249. # [20:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: I was looking at another one, but I'll get to it
  250. # [20:19] <@davidb> ty
  251. # [20:37] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 654027 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  252. # [20:38] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 654027 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  253. # [20:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/654027 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsINode::GetOwnerDoc() ]
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  256. # [20:57] <tbsaunde> davidb: nothing more to say without somene poking at dumps
  257. # [20:59] <@davidb> sigh
  258. # [21:06] * khuey is now known as khuey|food
  259. # [21:07] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 868209.
  260. # [21:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/868209 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] User report: Browser crashes with EBT on ICS
  261. # [21:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous.org) on bug 868209.
  262. # [21:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 868209 from --- to INCOMPLETE.
  263. # [21:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 868209 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  264. # [21:08] <@davidb> afk for a while
  265. # [21:08] * davidb is now known as davidb|afk
  266. # [21:50] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(yzenevich@mozilla.com) on bug 1061671.
  267. # [21:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1061671 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_content_integration.html | spoken: ["wow",{"string":"headingLevel","args":[1]},"su
  268. # [21:57] * khuey|food is now known as khuey
  269. # [22:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069574 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  270. # [22:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069574 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Read specialized screen reader hint tags
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  276. # [22:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069586 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  277. # [22:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069586 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Double tap on focused entry should move cursor between start and end of field
  278. # [22:29] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069588 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  279. # [22:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069588 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Collapsed combobox options are spoken in some views
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  283. # [22:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069594 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  284. # [22:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069594 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Don't blur text edit fields on cursor change
  285. # [22:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069598 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  286. # [22:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069598 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Implement gesture quicknav
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  288. # [22:44] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1069600 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  289. # [22:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069600 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Implement gesture text navigation
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  301. # [23:46] <satdav> surkov, or eeejay can you hel us out at SuMo
  302. # [23:46] <satdav> we are looking for a name or a contact for ally
  303. # [23:46] <satdav> we need someone from desktop same for b2g and mobile
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