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- # Session Start: Mon Sep 22 00:00:00 2014
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [11:01] <@MarcoZ> Man, am I glad I don't read Mozilla e-mail on weekends! *vommits across desk*
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- # [15:30] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:34] <@davidb> aaronlev, unfortunately I don't think I can show up at the camp
- # [15:34] <@davidb> 1 daughter going to a party in morning and the other daughter's bday party in the afternoon
- # [15:34] * @davidb emails billy
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- # [15:38] <SteveF> "unfortunately I don't think I can show up at the camp" typical
- # [15:38] <@davidb> SteveF :P
- # [15:39] <SteveF> davidb: and you don't have to thank me for building bridges and making new friends for Mozilla while you were sleeping...
- # [15:39] <SteveF> coz i haven't :-(
- # [15:39] <@davidb> SteveF, what is going on?
- # [15:39] * @davidb is trying to catch up on some muck
- # [15:40] <SteveF> https://gist.github.com/stevefaulkner/08835978d5c60777bc9a
- # [15:40] <SteveF> just the usual 4 lrgs good 2 legs bad
- # [15:41] <@davidb> hi SteveF
- # [15:41] <SteveF> or 2 legs good, 4 legs bad - depending on how many legs you perceive yourself to have
- # [15:42] <SteveF> i.e me degassing
- # [15:42] <SteveF> shaking fist a dominant paradigm
- # [15:43] <SteveF> a/at/
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- # [16:13] <@davidb> tbsaunde, morning.
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- # [16:26] <SteveF> davidb: don't be disappointed in me dad
- # [16:26] <@davidb> you're grounded son
- # [16:26] * @davidb is *still* catching up
- # [16:27] <tbsaunde> davidb: hey, just about to head in
- # [16:27] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i'm wfh
- # [16:27] <@davidb> fwiw
- # [16:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: ah, ok
- # [16:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde, would still like to catch up with you in abotu 30 mins?
- # [16:30] <@davidb> SteveF, when people talk about PP in the context of w3c specs, what does PP stand for?
- # [16:31] <SteveF> patent protection i think
- # [16:31] <@davidb> ok thanks
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- # [16:32] <tbsaunde> davidb: phone?
- # [16:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde, sure or IRC
- # [16:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i want to ping you on the geo-decision :)
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- # [16:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: ah, I'd probably rather irc then anything that needs more we can do later in the week if your in?
- # [16:33] <@davidb> fine with me. and i'll in every other day this week.
- # [16:34] <tbsaunde> davidb: k
- # [16:40] <SteveF> davidb: am discussing automated acc layer testing with some of your mozilla brethren. what are the impediments to exposing acc layer to auto test tools?
- # [16:40] <@davidb> SteveF, this is something surkov and I have chatted about a bunch
- # [16:41] <@davidb> we don't want to open it up as a security attack surface to web content just yet.
- # [16:41] <@davidb> it would need to be for testing only somehow, at least initially
- # [16:42] <@davidb> which we do for our automated tests.
- # [16:42] <@davidb> SteveF, where is that discussion happening?
- # [16:43] <SteveF> whatwg irc with jgraham who is heavily into the test suite stuff
- # [16:43] <@davidb> SteveF, alice is working on this kind of thing at google afaik
- # [16:43] <@davidb> well +1 for testing.
- # [16:43] <@davidb> SteveF, https://github.com/GoogleChrome/accessibility-developer-tools
- # [16:44] <SteveF> davidb: well in chrome you can get a dump of the platform acc tree at least via chrome://accessibility
- # [16:44] <@davidb> it is on the backburner to figure out if we can collaborate here
- # [16:44] <SteveF> cool
- # [16:44] <@davidb> unforunately our front burner is a long list of work
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- # [16:44] <SteveF> i hear you
- # [16:44] <@davidb> jgraham, +1 for testing.
- # [16:46] <SteveF> davidb: so it is possible but needs work?
- # [16:47] <@davidb> yes.
- # [16:47] <@davidb> we currently test our a11y core layer via automated tests but we don't open this up for web content (ripe security attack surface).
- # [16:49] <@davidb> will consider for Q4 (and look at google collab as I said)
- # [16:50] <SteveF> cool stuff is beyond my intellectual pay grade but good to know
- # [16:53] <@davidb> pfffft
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- # [18:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1061671 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [18:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1061671 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — Intermittent test_content_integration.html | spoken: ["wow",{"string":"headingLevel","args":[1]},"su
- # [18:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1067509 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [18:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1067509 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] Refactor content tests.
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- # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde, surkov, I wonder if we want jesse to fuzz our code again/more.
- # [19:28] <@davidb> (re security attack surface)
- # [19:29] <@davidb> cuz he will if asked
- # [19:29] <@surkov> it’d be good however we have bunch of unaddressed issues still
- # [19:29] <@davidb> true. and maybe we should hold off until after e10s
- # [19:29] * @davidb ponders
- # [19:30] <@davidb> btw
- # [19:30] <@davidb> surkov, how might your light patch in bug 1041070 affect our perf?
- # [19:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1041070 — ASSIGNED, trev.saunders@gmail.com — Update `CacheChildren` and `ShutdownChildrenInSubtree` to avoid locking up main thread
- # [19:31] <@davidb> do all mochitests pass?
- # [19:31] <@surkov> davidb: we do have bunch of complains because of this bug, it seems to be pretty serious issue, I think mochitests pass but I don’t guaranee we have enough test coverage for it
- # [19:32] <@davidb> hmmm
- # [19:32] <@davidb> when do we branch
- # [19:32] <@davidb> oct 13?
- # [19:33] <@davidb> it'd be good to get some usage
- # [19:35] <@davidb> BTW I like the AutoTreeMutation idea...
- # [19:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde, where are you at with that bug? are you against taking surkov's patch?
- # [19:38] <@davidb> presumably you could still follow up with your stuff?
- # [19:39] <@davidb> surkov, do you still have concerns if we run the AutoTreeMutation in debug only?
- # [19:40] <@surkov> davidb: I don’t like to keep debug and release much different, but if we agrreed to land it on temporary basis to see if it hits prolblems then it’s fine with me of course
- # [19:40] <@davidb> i think that intuition is right.
- # [19:42] * @davidb ponders making it nightly only
- # [19:43] <@davidb> surkov, oh you didn't say you hunch regarding perf with your patch? anything to worry about?
- # [19:43] <@davidb> you/your
- # [19:45] <@surkov> davidb: can you rephrase it pls?
- # [19:45] <@davidb> surkov, will your patch affect performance?
- # [19:45] <@surkov> davidb: only positevly :)
- # [19:46] <@davidb> good answer :)
- # [19:47] * @davidb needs to think
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- # [20:03] <@davidb> doh
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- # [20:06] <tbsaunde> davidb: same, I really don't want to change stuff without asserts or much more test coverage
- # [20:07] <@davidb> ok so it is about risk yeah
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