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  38. # [11:01] <@MarcoZ> Man, am I glad I don't read Mozilla e-mail on weekends! *vommits across desk*
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  59. # [15:30] <@davidb> heyo
  60. # [15:34] <@davidb> aaronlev, unfortunately I don't think I can show up at the camp
  61. # [15:34] <@davidb> 1 daughter going to a party in morning and the other daughter's bday party in the afternoon
  62. # [15:34] * @davidb emails billy
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  65. # [15:38] <SteveF> "unfortunately I don't think I can show up at the camp" typical
  66. # [15:38] <@davidb> SteveF :P
  67. # [15:39] <SteveF> davidb: and you don't have to thank me for building bridges and making new friends for Mozilla while you were sleeping...
  68. # [15:39] <SteveF> coz i haven't :-(
  69. # [15:39] <@davidb> SteveF, what is going on?
  70. # [15:39] * @davidb is trying to catch up on some muck
  71. # [15:40] <SteveF> https://gist.github.com/stevefaulkner/08835978d5c60777bc9a
  72. # [15:40] <SteveF> just the usual 4 lrgs good 2 legs bad
  73. # [15:41] <@davidb> hi SteveF
  74. # [15:41] <SteveF> or 2 legs good, 4 legs bad - depending on how many legs you perceive yourself to have
  75. # [15:42] <SteveF> i.e me degassing
  76. # [15:42] <SteveF> shaking fist a dominant paradigm
  77. # [15:43] <SteveF> a/at/
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  82. # [16:13] <@davidb> tbsaunde, morning.
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  84. # [16:26] <SteveF> davidb: don't be disappointed in me dad
  85. # [16:26] <@davidb> you're grounded son
  86. # [16:26] * @davidb is *still* catching up
  87. # [16:27] <tbsaunde> davidb: hey, just about to head in
  88. # [16:27] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i'm wfh
  89. # [16:27] <@davidb> fwiw
  90. # [16:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: ah, ok
  91. # [16:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde, would still like to catch up with you in abotu 30 mins?
  92. # [16:30] <@davidb> SteveF, when people talk about PP in the context of w3c specs, what does PP stand for?
  93. # [16:31] <SteveF> patent protection i think
  94. # [16:31] <@davidb> ok thanks
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  96. # [16:32] <tbsaunde> davidb: phone?
  97. # [16:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde, sure or IRC
  98. # [16:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde, i want to ping you on the geo-decision :)
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  100. # [16:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: ah, I'd probably rather irc then anything that needs more we can do later in the week if your in?
  101. # [16:33] <@davidb> fine with me. and i'll in every other day this week.
  102. # [16:34] <tbsaunde> davidb: k
  103. # [16:40] <SteveF> davidb: am discussing automated acc layer testing with some of your mozilla brethren. what are the impediments to exposing acc layer to auto test tools?
  104. # [16:40] <@davidb> SteveF, this is something surkov and I have chatted about a bunch
  105. # [16:41] <@davidb> we don't want to open it up as a security attack surface to web content just yet.
  106. # [16:41] <@davidb> it would need to be for testing only somehow, at least initially
  107. # [16:42] <@davidb> which we do for our automated tests.
  108. # [16:42] <@davidb> SteveF, where is that discussion happening?
  109. # [16:43] <SteveF> whatwg irc with jgraham who is heavily into the test suite stuff
  110. # [16:43] <@davidb> SteveF, alice is working on this kind of thing at google afaik
  111. # [16:43] <@davidb> well +1 for testing.
  112. # [16:43] <@davidb> SteveF, https://github.com/GoogleChrome/accessibility-developer-tools
  113. # [16:44] <SteveF> davidb: well in chrome you can get a dump of the platform acc tree at least via chrome://accessibility
  114. # [16:44] <@davidb> it is on the backburner to figure out if we can collaborate here
  115. # [16:44] <SteveF> cool
  116. # [16:44] <@davidb> unforunately our front burner is a long list of work
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  118. # [16:44] <SteveF> i hear you
  119. # [16:44] <@davidb> jgraham, +1 for testing.
  120. # [16:46] <SteveF> davidb: so it is possible but needs work?
  121. # [16:47] <@davidb> yes.
  122. # [16:47] <@davidb> we currently test our a11y core layer via automated tests but we don't open this up for web content (ripe security attack surface).
  123. # [16:49] <@davidb> will consider for Q4 (and look at google collab as I said)
  124. # [16:50] <SteveF> cool stuff is beyond my intellectual pay grade but good to know
  125. # [16:53] <@davidb> pfffft
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  136. # [18:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1061671 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  137. # [18:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1061671 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — Intermittent test_content_integration.html | spoken: ["wow",{"string":"headingLevel","args":[1]},"su
  138. # [18:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 1067509 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  139. # [18:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1067509 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] Refactor content tests.
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  150. # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde, surkov, I wonder if we want jesse to fuzz our code again/more.
  151. # [19:28] <@davidb> (re security attack surface)
  152. # [19:29] <@davidb> cuz he will if asked
  153. # [19:29] <@surkov> it’d be good however we have bunch of unaddressed issues still
  154. # [19:29] <@davidb> true. and maybe we should hold off until after e10s
  155. # [19:29] * @davidb ponders
  156. # [19:30] <@davidb> btw
  157. # [19:30] <@davidb> surkov, how might your light patch in bug 1041070 affect our perf?
  158. # [19:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1041070 — ASSIGNED, trev.saunders@gmail.com — Update `CacheChildren` and `ShutdownChildrenInSubtree` to avoid locking up main thread
  159. # [19:31] <@davidb> do all mochitests pass?
  160. # [19:31] <@surkov> davidb: we do have bunch of complains because of this bug, it seems to be pretty serious issue, I think mochitests pass but I don’t guaranee we have enough test coverage for it
  161. # [19:32] <@davidb> hmmm
  162. # [19:32] <@davidb> when do we branch
  163. # [19:32] <@davidb> oct 13?
  164. # [19:33] <@davidb> it'd be good to get some usage
  165. # [19:35] <@davidb> BTW I like the AutoTreeMutation idea...
  166. # [19:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde, where are you at with that bug? are you against taking surkov's patch?
  167. # [19:38] <@davidb> presumably you could still follow up with your stuff?
  168. # [19:39] <@davidb> surkov, do you still have concerns if we run the AutoTreeMutation in debug only?
  169. # [19:40] <@surkov> davidb: I don’t like to keep debug and release much different, but if we agrreed to land it on temporary basis to see if it hits prolblems then it’s fine with me of course
  170. # [19:40] <@davidb> i think that intuition is right.
  171. # [19:42] * @davidb ponders making it nightly only
  172. # [19:43] <@davidb> surkov, oh you didn't say you hunch regarding perf with your patch? anything to worry about?
  173. # [19:43] <@davidb> you/your
  174. # [19:45] <@surkov> davidb: can you rephrase it pls?
  175. # [19:45] <@davidb> surkov, will your patch affect performance?
  176. # [19:45] <@surkov> davidb: only positevly :)
  177. # [19:46] <@davidb> good answer :)
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  181. # [20:03] <@davidb> doh
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  183. # [20:06] <tbsaunde> davidb: same, I really don't want to change stuff without asserts or much more test coverage
  184. # [20:07] <@davidb> ok so it is about risk yeah
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