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  1. # Session Start: Wed Nov 19 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1099362 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  4. # [00:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1099362 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  5. # [00:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1099362 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — accessibility events sent by the JAWS screen reader are getting fired at the wrong element
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  91. # [15:23] <~davidb> heyo
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  94. # [15:28] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jdiggs@igalia.com on bug 1013584.
  95. # [15:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1013584 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [ATK] Children of tables and lists with role='presentation' should each be exposed as if they were d
  96. # [15:32] <@yzen> MarcoZ heh we got the summer for bug 1101141 spelled correctly on the 4th try :)
  97. # [15:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1101141 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [email/UI] cards should be exclusively visible.
  98. # [15:32] <@yzen> thanks
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  100. # [15:37] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Heh you're welcome! It annoyed me that the speech synth was constantly speaking it wrong, so I just corrected it. ;)
  101. # [15:38] <~davidb> elusively visible
  102. # [15:39] <@yzen> i figured :)
  103. # [15:39] <~davidb> yzen, do you guys wish aria-hidden would just prune the tree?
  104. # [15:40] <~davidb> MarcoZ, surkov, what is the status of aria-modal?
  105. # [15:40] <~davidb> (i realize that is a subject jump)
  106. # [15:40] <@surkov> last I time I heard people were ok with it
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  108. # [15:41] <@yzen> davidb, surkov i think i got convinced that aria hidden should still have an accessible
  109. # [15:41] <~davidb> yzen, and the subtree?
  110. # [15:41] <@yzen> unlike role="presentation" for example
  111. # [15:41] <@yzen> yeah
  112. # [15:41] <@surkov> yzen: convience me? :)
  113. # [15:41] <@yzen> well we've talked about it last week
  114. # [15:42] <@surkov> no extra arguments?
  115. # [15:43] <@yzen> i guess not, aria-hidden to me means that the accessible is hidden where role="presentation" is an explicit way to say something should not have an accessible. also that example with chaining things like labelledby, describedby etc
  116. # [15:43] <@yzen> that go through an element that has aria-hidden
  117. # [15:43] <@yzen> but that's just me
  118. # [15:43] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Like surkov, that's the last I heard/read, too.
  119. # [15:44] <@surkov> yzen: I’d say it’s just extra use case of accessible aria-hidden, which is +1 but not sure how it’s heavy
  120. # [15:45] <~davidb> i think we should implement aria-modal
  121. # [15:45] <tbsaunde> davidb: link to spec?
  122. # [15:45] <~davidb> at least begin, in case we need to inform the spec
  123. # [15:45] <~davidb> tbsaunde, don't have it
  124. # [15:46] <~davidb> one question is, do we implement it or does the AT or?
  125. # [15:47] <~davidb> we could treat all accessibles outside the aria-modal tree a certain way, or destroy them, or
  126. # [15:47] <~davidb> tbsaunde, good morning by the way. where are we with stability?
  127. # [15:48] <~davidb> looks like tomcat closed that bug which we might want to leave open
  128. # [15:48] <~davidb> but not a big deal
  129. # [15:48] <tbsaunde> davidb: I checked in the patch from yesterday, now I just need to figure this stuff out
  130. # [15:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> davidb: boh
  131. # [15:48] <tbsaunde> yeah, figured I'd reopen when I get around to it
  132. # [15:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> which one
  133. # [15:48] <~davidb> tbsaunde, yeah i'm curious if you have a way forward on the figuring out part. are you still targeting the talos angle?
  134. # [15:49] <~davidb> Tomcat|sheriffduty, no worries. bug 1088148
  135. # [15:49] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1088148 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — [e10s] crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::AddChildDoc(mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent*,
  136. # [15:49] <tbsaunde> davidb: I think so, and maybe that other one with a test case though its annoying he's still using enablePrvilidge
  137. # [15:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ohh!
  138. # [15:50] <~davidb> Tomcat|sheriffduty, by the way, hi!
  139. # [15:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> davidb: oh thats the merge tool we use but there is a bugzilla keyword "leave-open" if this is set the merge tool does not close the bug when something from the bug land on m-c
  140. # [15:50] <~davidb> ah right1
  141. # [15:50] <~davidb> !
  142. # [15:50] <~davidb> i'll leave it to tbsaunde if he wants to do that
  143. # [15:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> davidb: oh yeah hi :)
  144. # [15:51] <~davidb> :)
  145. # [15:51] <tbsaunde> I didn't really think about it last night, and either way its one trip to my browser so w/e
  146. # [15:51] <~davidb> ack
  147. # [15:56] <~davidb> surkov, for Firefox 33 release 90% of our a11y consumers (according to telemetry) are "Unknown". 9% are UIAutomation.
  148. # [15:56] <@surkov> cool
  149. # [15:56] <~davidb> really? :)
  150. # [15:56] <@surkov> that depends
  151. # [15:56] <~davidb> I think the rest are NVDA
  152. # [15:56] <@surkov> no jaws?
  153. # [15:57] <~davidb> surkov, http://is.gd/mtLoNP
  154. # [15:57] <~davidb> yeah there are jaws etc
  155. # [15:57] <~davidb> surkov, legend is here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/windows/msaa/Compatibility.h#55
  156. # [15:57] <~davidb> kazaguru shows up
  157. # [15:58] <@surkov> what’s amount of fx33 users?
  158. # [15:58] <~davidb> dunno
  159. # [15:58] <@surkov> I’m curious what percent of them is 4m of a11y
  160. # [15:59] <~davidb> there is currently work to answer these questions more accurately
  161. # [15:59] <~davidb> it is hard, because opt-in
  162. # [16:00] <@surkov> davidb: how do you rean those 10?
  163. # [16:00] <@surkov> rean->readd
  164. # [16:01] <@surkov> is it bitmask?
  165. # [16:02] <~davidb> yeah
  166. # [16:04] <@surkov> then 10 is 1010 which means jaws + we which is non sense
  167. # [16:05] <~davidb> no 10 is just 10
  168. # [16:06] <~davidb> you'd have to look where we send the data - but it is processed correctly IIRC
  169. # [16:07] <@surkov> davidb: what is 3, 4 and 5 then?
  170. # [16:07] <@surkov> or 8 or 9
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  172. # [16:09] <~davidb> << is just a shift operator
  173. # [16:10] <~davidb> so 1 << 5, is 100000 or whatever
  174. # [16:11] <~davidb> so each bit represents the presence of a consumer
  175. # [16:11] <@surkov> yes but diagram has something on 3 mark
  176. # [16:11] <@surkov> if 10 is 10 then 3 is 3
  177. # [16:11] <~davidb> right ?
  178. # [16:11] <~davidb> window eyes
  179. # [16:12] <@surkov> oh, so the number on diagram is second operand
  180. # [16:12] <~davidb> i'm not sure what that means :)
  181. # [16:12] <~davidb> but the histogram should be reflecting the legend
  182. # [16:12] <~davidb> it is smart
  183. # [16:12] <@surkov> I meant we have 1 << x and those x are on diagram
  184. # [16:12] <~davidb> yeah
  185. # [16:12] <@surkov> not 1 << x
  186. # [16:13] <~davidb> right
  187. # [16:13] <@surkov> ok
  188. # [16:13] <~davidb> \o/
  189. # [16:13] <@surkov> so we need to expand those unknown
  190. # [16:13] <~davidb> yeah
  191. # [16:13] <~davidb> it would be interesting
  192. # [16:13] <~davidb> surkov, perhaps we could ask for access to the raw dll data for those and look for correlations
  193. # [16:14] <~davidb> but not sure if the consumers bother injecting.
  194. # [16:14] <@surkov> yeah, do you want to (iirc that’s somethign you did in the past)
  195. # [16:14] <~davidb> i want the answers yeah. on my list for now.
  196. # [16:15] <~davidb> surkov, or maybe i'll ask dominic over at google if they've already done it
  197. # [16:15] <@surkov> ok, cool
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  206. # [16:35] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com cancelled needinfo?(jdiggs@igalia.com) on bug 1013584.
  207. # [16:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1013584 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [ATK] Children of tables and lists with role='presentation' should each be exposed as if they were d
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  210. # [17:23] <~davidb> MarcoZ, so quiet today :)
  211. # [17:23] <~davidb> probably having dinner
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  215. # [17:31] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Actually no, playing with mobile devices and testing.
  216. # [17:31] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Dinner is in an hour.
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  218. # [17:42] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i can just add you to my choices?
  219. # [17:42] <~davidb> there really isn't anything else
  220. # [17:46] <~davidb> surkov, is now good? (lunch)
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  223. # [17:56] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Please do! :)
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  244. # [19:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 1100986.
  245. # [19:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1100986 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Cannot read Web site elements with physical mouse in version 33 while using Window-Eyes screen reade
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  256. # [20:52] <@yzen> eeejay any time ?
  257. # [20:53] <eeejay> sure, setting up. opentok?
  258. # [20:54] <@yzen> yeah
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