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  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  12. # [02:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1104400 from --- to FIXED.
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  14. # [02:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1104400 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  15. # [02:52] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1104400 from --- to mozilla36.
  16. # [02:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1104400 — FIXED, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] content-script.js does not get loaded into app frames in Mulet
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  36. # [06:41] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1105611 filed by masayuki@d-toybox.com.
  37. # [06:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105611 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — nsIAccessibleEditableText doesn't support contenteditable editor which has pseudo elements (::before
  38. # [06:58] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1105611.
  39. # [06:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105611 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — nsIAccessibleEditableText doesn't support contenteditable editor which has pseudo elements (::before
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  53. # [08:35] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com requested needinfo from roc@ocallahan.org on bug 1105101.
  54. # [08:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105101 — ASSIGNED, athena@fastmail.fm — OS X CMD+Up and CMD+Down arrow key shortcuts no longer scroll web page
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  59. # [10:10] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105101 — ASSIGNED, athena@fastmail.fm — OS X CMD+Up and CMD+Down arrow key shortcuts no longer scroll web page
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  107. # [15:43] <~davidb> heyo
  108. # [15:48] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  109. # [15:48] <&MarcoZ> Hi yzen!
  110. # [15:48] <@yzen> MarcoZ hi
  111. # [15:48] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Wow, a lot of new names on some of our Gaia accessibility bugs!
  112. # [15:49] <@yzen> yeah, im trying to not skip anything, feel free to respond in if you feel like it :)
  113. # [15:51] <@yzen> MarcoZ also I wanted to spend some time and make a list of all relevant resources for new contributors to a11y bugs: such as how to get the code, how to use the screen reader, how to debug etc
  114. # [15:59] <@yzen> oh and MarcoZ I did try to reproduce the audio issue, i m not sure i have, but i've seen some issues with audio channels and power manager and sometimes that resulted in app crashes ...
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  116. # [15:59] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Interesting. This is definitely something I am going to show you and eeejay next week so you can see first-ahdn what is happening.
  117. # [16:03] <@yzen> MarcoZ hah interesting question for you
  118. # [16:03] <@yzen> MarcoZ imagine we have a element with role status
  119. # [16:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ it is an implicit live region
  120. # [16:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ now status gets aria-label attribute change
  121. # [16:04] <@yzen> MarcoZ because it's not really addition or text, we don't announce anything
  122. # [16:04] <@yzen> but it seems wrong to me
  123. # [16:06] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Phew, interesting. I don't think I've ever seen an aria-label on a live region. Usually, live regions, implicit or not, are containers within which text elements change, get added, deleted etc.
  124. # [16:06] <&MarcoZ> yzen: But these usually don't have labels themselves.
  125. # [16:06] <@yzen> MarcoZ right so this one is common i think, imagine a spinner or anything of such sort
  126. # [16:07] <@yzen> like an indicator of Calendar/Email syncing
  127. # [16:07] <@yzen> MarcoZ i m sure this is the same problem if prodress was used with valuetext attribute being updated, the event would just not happen
  128. # [16:07] <@yzen> s/prodress/progress
  129. # [16:09] <@yzen> MarcoZ so the only crazy workaround that i would not want to use is using font-size 0 and updating the inner text, but that's just not something im willing to do :(
  130. # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Hm, if a valuetext is updating and there is no appropriate event fired so the screen reader would announce it, that sounds like a definite bug to me.
  131. # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> yzen: e. g. a changing valuetext should trigger a valuechanged event or something that requires the screen reader to re-query NSIAccessibleValue interface.
  132. # [16:11] <@yzen> MarcoZ oh right well that's a different event i guess
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  134. # [16:12] <@yzen> MarcoZ i think this is more of an example of a progress that also needs to be a live region and announced to the user which seems like an incompatible thing , since the events do not overlap ?
  135. # [16:13] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Hm, a changing value, like a valuetext that is updating, should never be required to be a live region. It should be picked up by the events the value interface provides.
  136. # [16:14] <&MarcoZ> yzen: In other words, if you have a progress bar that is changing, indicating a synch process as you said in your example, the value text is changing, you should not ever be required to use a live region. If you do, it's a bug.
  137. # [16:14] <@yzen> MarcoZ right but if vc is not on that element you will not be aware of the progress right ?
  138. # [16:15] <@yzen> so lets say you started syncing and want to carry on within the app, or if auto-syncing is in progress, the sighted user will get a visual no matter where they are right now
  139. # [16:15] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Other screen readers pick up certain valuechange events from anywhere within the currently active window or application. For example in NVDA, when installing something, the focus is on a Cancel or whatever button, but progress bar beeps still come through indicating that something is happening. In desktop operating systems, progress bars aren't keyboard focusable.
  140. # [16:15] <&MarcoZ> yzen: What they don't do is pick up such value changes from background apps.
  141. # [16:17] <@yzen> MarcoZ ok that sounds like a reasonable approach
  142. # [16:18] <@yzen> (regarding the progress). Now if we can flesh out what should happen when we have a live region and its aria-label changes
  143. # [16:18] <@yzen> MarcoZ i feel like it's reasonable to support that - the attribute change event and if it's a label and a live region , what do you think ?
  144. # [16:20] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Interesting, if the label changes, do we get a namechange event?
  145. # [16:20] <@yzen> MarcoZ i can test that , i would hope so ?
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  149. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Again, regarding a live region element that has also an aria-label, don't know if I ever saw something like this in the wild or even in examples until now. So we may be touching new ground here.
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  151. # [16:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah, feels right to me..
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  153. # [16:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1105770 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  154. # [16:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105770 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Progress value/valuetext changes should be announced.
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  156. # [16:34] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Yup!
  157. # [16:36] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1105774 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  158. # [16:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105774 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Support name/aria-label attribute change for live regions.
  159. # [16:37] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 1105775 filed by cbook@mozilla.com.
  160. # [16:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105775 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_content_integration.html | Test timed out. - expected PASS
  161. # [16:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1105611.
  162. # [16:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105611 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — nsIAccessibleEditableText doesn't support contenteditable editor which has pseudo elements (::before
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  164. # [16:45] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 1105775 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  165. # [16:46] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 1105775 from Firefox to Core.
  166. # [16:48] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(yzenevich@mozilla.com) on bug 1086545.
  167. # [16:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1086545 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Speech sometimes gets interrupted when swiping and it is supposed to speak the newly focu
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  177. # [17:15] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1105611.
  178. # [17:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105611 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — nsIAccessibleEditableText doesn't support contenteditable editor which has pseudo elements (::before
  179. # [17:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1105611.
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  190. # [18:58] <@firebot> athena@fastmail.fm requested needinfo from the wind on bug 1105101.
  191. # [18:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1105101 — ASSIGNED, athena@fastmail.fm — OS X CMD+Up and CMD+Down arrow key shortcuts no longer scroll web page
  192. # [18:58] <@firebot> athena@fastmail.fm cancelled needinfo? on bug 1105101.
  193. # [19:01] <athena> hey, I'm trying to use the try chooser, and I can't figure out what the correct -u argument should be
  194. # [19:02] <athena> I'm used to mochitest-a11y from the commandline, but I don't see anything corresponding among the unit test suite options
  195. # [19:03] <athena> any suggestions for which one to use (or how to figure out whether it's one of mochitest-1 through 5?)
  196. # [19:10] <@yzen> athena i generally run all 5 (not sure which one includes a11y)
  197. # [19:35] <athena> Yzen: okay cool thanks!
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  214. # Session Close: Fri Nov 28 00:00:00 2014

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