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- # [01:50] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1106932 filed by mzehe@mozilla.com.
- # [01:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1106932 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Make the Hello button available to keyboard users
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- # [09:08] <@firebot> liuke@mgsei.com set status-b2g-v2.1 to verified on bug 1069877.
- # [09:08] <@firebot> liuke@mgsei.com set status-b2g-v2.2 to verified on bug 1069877.
- # [09:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069877 — FIXED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Entering SIM PIN broken, focus gets taken from password entry field
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- # [15:02] <~davidb> heyo
- # [15:39] <tbsaunde> heya
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- # [15:44] <~davidb> hi hi hi
- # [15:49] <aaronlev> hey davidb
- # [15:49] <~davidb> hi aaronlev
- # [15:50] <aaronlev> trying to get our SVG UI to be accessible :/
- # [15:50] <aaronlev> it works with firefox and nvda, haha
- # [15:50] <~davidb> lol
- # [15:50] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: heya
- # [15:51] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb, aaronlev! :)
- # [15:52] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: can i ask you an end-user question?
- # [15:52] <aaronlev> if we have a button that opens up an ARIA dialog
- # [15:52] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Always, Sir!
- # [15:52] <aaronlev> would you expect it to automatically leave forms mode?
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- # [15:52] <aaronlev> would you expect it to automatically enter forms mode?
- # [15:52] <aaronlev> i meant enter forms mode
- # [15:53] <aaronlev> there's no extra text in the dialog that needs browsing through
- # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Hm, in an ARIA dialog, yes. ARIA dialog is basically an implicit role "application" kind of thing.
- # [15:53] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: that's what i thought, although it seems different screen readers may treat it differently
- # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: So if you set focus on an input field inside the dialog or such, that should definitely turn on forms mode.
- # [15:53] <aaronlev> ok
- # [15:53] <aaronlev> we have a slider
- # [15:54] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Yes, role "application" and "dialog" are being treated a bit inconsistently at times. NVDA recently made a change where role "application" no longer automatically forces browse mode off, because so many authors mis-use it.
- # [15:54] <aaronlev> oh!
- # [15:54] <aaronlev> that's good info
- # [15:55] <aaronlev> so is there any way to get nvda to switch automatically?
- # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Basically, the "application" thing is being inserted into NVDA's virtual buffer like an object now, you can press Enter on it, that will enter the area and turn off browse mode.
- # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> Of course, if you set focus to something inside it automatically when it opens, that happens automatically still.
- # [15:55] <aaronlev> ok
- # [15:56] <aaronlev> that's helpful
- # [15:56] <aaronlev> i wonder how i would have figured this out if i didn't ask
- # [15:56] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: So setting focus to something interactive should do the trick.
- # [15:56] <aaronlev> window-eyes has aria support now too, but i'm not sure how good it is yet
- # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: The standard behavior for any dialog is to have focus set on something interactive, in Windows and other operating systems. So not setting focus to anything interactive inside a dialog is generally considered a bug. ;)
- # [15:57] <aaronlev> true
- # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Did Window-Eyes finally stop scraping the DOM and use proper IA2?
- # [15:57] <aaronlev> we're having a hard time getting stuff working in IE in SVG with screen readers, but that's not your problem :)
- # [15:58] <&MarcoZ> Oh yea, IE is very special in that regard.
- # [15:58] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: to tell the truth i don't know ...
- # [15:58] <&MarcoZ> Even ChromeVox recently stopped scraping the DOM and is now using Chrome's impl of proper accessibility APIs more, so I read on a WAI list. :)
- # [15:58] <aaronlev> hmm interesting
- # [15:59] <aaronlev> sitecues uses the DOM, but of course we're sort of a weird beast and not a full screen reader by any stretch of the imaginination
- # [15:59] <aaronlev> we're kind of a beginner's magnifier and screen reader that sites can insert into their <head>
- # [15:59] <aaronlev> well, beginner, but still awesome :)
- # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> Aha!
- # [16:01] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Breakfast soon'ish?
- # [16:01] <~davidb> MarcoZ, yeah... how about your lobby in 20 mins?
- # [16:01] <~davidb> tbsaunde, you hungry?
- # [16:01] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Perfect!
- # [16:05] <aaronlev> Anyone know if NVDA/JAWS use UI Automation or the DOM in iE?
- # [16:05] <aaronlev> it's been a while :)
- # [16:06] <@surkov> I think they should use some UIA over DOM
- # [16:06] <aaronlev> surkov!
- # [16:06] <aaronlev> hey :)
- # [16:06] <@surkov> hey!
- # [16:07] <&MarcoZ> surkov: aaronlev: Yes, but because they can't just support the newest IE 11, but need to be backwards compatible, but UIA impl is only in IE 10 and higher I think, that support is very limited still. They still need to do all that DOM scraping for older versions.
- # [16:08] <aaronlev> mmm
- # [16:08] <&MarcoZ> This may change, though, with Microsoft's more aggressive upgrade incentives.
- # [16:08] <aaronlev> this is true for both NVDA and JAWS?
- # [16:08] <&MarcoZ> Can't speak for JAWS at all.
- # [16:08] <aaronlev> when can we get the world off of IE9, i'm not sure why anyone uses that
- # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Heh, once corporates move away from Win XP maybe. ;) ;) ;)
- # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Oh wait, they still use IE 7 all across. *grins*
- # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Now I am bitchy. :D
- # [16:10] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: if that's the bitchiest you get, then we're going to be o.k.
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- # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> Oh it's still early in the morning. There's potential for improvement. :)
- # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> But off for breakfast now. See you later!
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- # [23:48] <&MarcoZ> Battery is close to dead.
- # [23:48] <&MarcoZ> So if I go offline, I'm only here in person. ;)
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- # Session Close: Thu Dec 04 00:00:00 2014
The end :)