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  21. # [01:50] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1106932 filed by mzehe@mozilla.com.
  22. # [01:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1106932 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Make the Hello button available to keyboard users
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  101. # [09:08] <@firebot> liuke@mgsei.com set status-b2g-v2.1 to verified on bug 1069877.
  102. # [09:08] <@firebot> liuke@mgsei.com set status-b2g-v2.2 to verified on bug 1069877.
  103. # [09:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1069877 — FIXED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Entering SIM PIN broken, focus gets taken from password entry field
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  146. # [15:02] <~davidb> heyo
  147. # [15:39] <tbsaunde> heya
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  149. # [15:44] <~davidb> hi hi hi
  150. # [15:49] <aaronlev> hey davidb
  151. # [15:49] <~davidb> hi aaronlev
  152. # [15:50] <aaronlev> trying to get our SVG UI to be accessible :/
  153. # [15:50] <aaronlev> it works with firefox and nvda, haha
  154. # [15:50] <~davidb> lol
  155. # [15:50] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: heya
  156. # [15:51] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb, aaronlev! :)
  157. # [15:52] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: can i ask you an end-user question?
  158. # [15:52] <aaronlev> if we have a button that opens up an ARIA dialog
  159. # [15:52] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Always, Sir!
  160. # [15:52] <aaronlev> would you expect it to automatically leave forms mode?
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  162. # [15:52] <aaronlev> would you expect it to automatically enter forms mode?
  163. # [15:52] <aaronlev> i meant enter forms mode
  164. # [15:53] <aaronlev> there's no extra text in the dialog that needs browsing through
  165. # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Hm, in an ARIA dialog, yes. ARIA dialog is basically an implicit role "application" kind of thing.
  166. # [15:53] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: that's what i thought, although it seems different screen readers may treat it differently
  167. # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: So if you set focus on an input field inside the dialog or such, that should definitely turn on forms mode.
  168. # [15:53] <aaronlev> ok
  169. # [15:53] <aaronlev> we have a slider
  170. # [15:54] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Yes, role "application" and "dialog" are being treated a bit inconsistently at times. NVDA recently made a change where role "application" no longer automatically forces browse mode off, because so many authors mis-use it.
  171. # [15:54] <aaronlev> oh!
  172. # [15:54] <aaronlev> that's good info
  173. # [15:55] <aaronlev> so is there any way to get nvda to switch automatically?
  174. # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Basically, the "application" thing is being inserted into NVDA's virtual buffer like an object now, you can press Enter on it, that will enter the area and turn off browse mode.
  175. # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> Of course, if you set focus to something inside it automatically when it opens, that happens automatically still.
  176. # [15:55] <aaronlev> ok
  177. # [15:56] <aaronlev> that's helpful
  178. # [15:56] <aaronlev> i wonder how i would have figured this out if i didn't ask
  179. # [15:56] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: So setting focus to something interactive should do the trick.
  180. # [15:56] <aaronlev> window-eyes has aria support now too, but i'm not sure how good it is yet
  181. # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: The standard behavior for any dialog is to have focus set on something interactive, in Windows and other operating systems. So not setting focus to anything interactive inside a dialog is generally considered a bug. ;)
  182. # [15:57] <aaronlev> true
  183. # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> aaronlev: Did Window-Eyes finally stop scraping the DOM and use proper IA2?
  184. # [15:57] <aaronlev> we're having a hard time getting stuff working in IE in SVG with screen readers, but that's not your problem :)
  185. # [15:58] <&MarcoZ> Oh yea, IE is very special in that regard.
  186. # [15:58] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: to tell the truth i don't know ...
  187. # [15:58] <&MarcoZ> Even ChromeVox recently stopped scraping the DOM and is now using Chrome's impl of proper accessibility APIs more, so I read on a WAI list. :)
  188. # [15:58] <aaronlev> hmm interesting
  189. # [15:59] <aaronlev> sitecues uses the DOM, but of course we're sort of a weird beast and not a full screen reader by any stretch of the imaginination
  190. # [15:59] <aaronlev> we're kind of a beginner's magnifier and screen reader that sites can insert into their <head>
  191. # [15:59] <aaronlev> well, beginner, but still awesome :)
  192. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> Aha!
  193. # [16:01] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Breakfast soon'ish?
  194. # [16:01] <~davidb> MarcoZ, yeah... how about your lobby in 20 mins?
  195. # [16:01] <~davidb> tbsaunde, you hungry?
  196. # [16:01] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Perfect!
  197. # [16:05] <aaronlev> Anyone know if NVDA/JAWS use UI Automation or the DOM in iE?
  198. # [16:05] <aaronlev> it's been a while :)
  199. # [16:06] <@surkov> I think they should use some UIA over DOM
  200. # [16:06] <aaronlev> surkov!
  201. # [16:06] <aaronlev> hey :)
  202. # [16:06] <@surkov> hey!
  203. # [16:07] <&MarcoZ> surkov: aaronlev: Yes, but because they can't just support the newest IE 11, but need to be backwards compatible, but UIA impl is only in IE 10 and higher I think, that support is very limited still. They still need to do all that DOM scraping for older versions.
  204. # [16:08] <aaronlev> mmm
  205. # [16:08] <&MarcoZ> This may change, though, with Microsoft's more aggressive upgrade incentives.
  206. # [16:08] <aaronlev> this is true for both NVDA and JAWS?
  207. # [16:08] <&MarcoZ> Can't speak for JAWS at all.
  208. # [16:08] <aaronlev> when can we get the world off of IE9, i'm not sure why anyone uses that
  209. # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Heh, once corporates move away from Win XP maybe. ;) ;) ;)
  210. # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Oh wait, they still use IE 7 all across. *grins*
  211. # [16:09] <&MarcoZ> Now I am bitchy. :D
  212. # [16:10] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: if that's the bitchiest you get, then we're going to be o.k.
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  214. # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> Oh it's still early in the morning. There's potential for improvement. :)
  215. # [16:11] <&MarcoZ> But off for breakfast now. See you later!
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  307. # [23:48] <&MarcoZ> Battery is close to dead.
  308. # [23:48] <&MarcoZ> So if I go offline, I'm only here in person. ;)
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The end :)