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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 28 00:00:00 2016
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  16. # [02:39] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1243331 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  17. # [02:39] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1243331 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  18. # [02:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243331 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — [gcc 4.8] error: typedef '_GStaticAssertCompileTimeAssertion_0' locally defined but not used [-Werro
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  21. # [04:14] <~davidb> lol
  22. # [04:36] <@tbsaunde> ?
  23. # [05:10] <~davidb> "Where's the alcohol?"
  24. # [05:10] <~davidb> admittedly said quite a while ago
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  33. # [07:37] <@firebot> dlande.mozilla@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1243651 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  34. # [07:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243651 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Icon and text buttons are incorrect width.
  35. # [08:54] <@firebot> past@mozilla.com granted qe-verify on bug 1243353.
  36. # [08:54] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243353 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Make the "Report errors like this" option keyboard accessible on the cert error page
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  39. # [10:57] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1243651 from Disability Access to Toolbars and Customization.
  40. # [10:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243651 — INVALID, nobody@mozilla.org — Icon and text buttons are incorrect width.
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  43. # [12:28] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1243077 from --- to FIXED.
  44. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1243077 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  45. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox47 to fixed on bug 1243077.
  46. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1243077 from --- to mozilla47.
  47. # [12:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243077 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — start implementing nsIAccessible for proxied accessibles
  48. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1243077 from --- to FIXED.
  49. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1243077 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  50. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox47 to fixed on bug 1243077.
  51. # [12:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1243077 from --- to mozilla47.
  52. # [12:57] <Gijs> Is there a11y tree stuff in the devtools yet? :)
  53. # [12:58] <Gijs> dom inspector doesn't work in e10s
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  56. # [13:24] <@tbsaunde> surkov: in the office?
  57. # [13:24] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yep
  58. # [13:24] <@surkov> hi
  59. # [13:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi :)
  60. # [13:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: want to come look at something for me for a sec?
  61. # [13:25] <@surkov> sure
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  68. # [14:56] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: There's an a11y inspection add-on eeejay was working on not too long ago, but I don't know how far that has progressed.
  69. # [14:56] <&MarcoZ> It's not part of the official set of dev tools yet.
  70. # [14:56] <Gijs> MarcoZ: ok!
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  72. # [15:04] <~davidb> heyo
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  76. # [15:33] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  77. # [15:33] <~davidb> hi hi
  78. # [15:33] <~davidb> i'm still waiting at home for someone to show before i head in
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  84. # [16:48] <~davidb> http://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2016/01/20/moving-forward-on-accessibility-announcing-new-structure-and-leads/
  85. # [16:48] <~davidb> i guess this is old news
  86. # [16:49] <~davidb> "creation of a centralized accessibility team"
  87. # [16:51] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, I was wondering about that, too. Seems the strategy to spread the responsibilities out into the several teams didn't work out as was hoped.
  88. # [16:52] <helenvholmes> hey friends! I would like some advice on a bug
  89. # [16:52] <helenvholmes> bug 1177108
  90. # [16:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1177108 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Add a keyboard shortcut to launch the eyedropper
  91. # [16:53] <helenvholmes> we're debating a keyboard shortcut for the eyedropper tool. People are looking for my advice on whether or not a keyboard shortcut would be a good idea (and if we did implement it, how it would behave)
  92. # [16:53] <helenvholmes> and I was wondering if y'alls had any knowledge/expertise in the area
  93. # [16:54] <&MarcoZ> helenvholmes: What does that eyedropper tool do?
  94. # [16:55] <helenvholmes> currently, you 1) click the eyedropper button
  95. # [16:55] <&MarcoZ> To my knowledge, this is one of those tools I, as a totally blind person, haven't been able to figure out at all yet.
  96. # [16:55] <helenvholmes> 2) hover over the page; it attached this magnifying glass to your mouse with a hex code of the center of the magnifying glass
  97. # [16:56] <helenvholmes> 3) you click, and the hex value of the color you were hovering over is copied to your clipboard
  98. # [16:56] <~davidb> sounds like a keyboard usage pattern would be in combination with mouse keys
  99. # [16:57] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, and that would mean we'd have to fix caret navigation for this (and other) feature to make sense for keyboard users at all.
  100. # [16:57] <~davidb> oh and maybe explore by touch as well
  101. # [16:57] <~davidb> this is more pixel navigation
  102. # [16:57] <&MarcoZ> davidb: helenvholmes: For example, after my blog post on Tuesday, I was notified that right-clicking/Shift+F10 and choosing "Inspect Element" isn't sensitive to the current caret position when caret browsing is used.
  103. # [16:58] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah but how do you navigate by pixel with the keyboard? That would also need to be implemented, then.
  104. # [16:58] <~davidb> mouse keys
  105. # [16:58] <~davidb> it is an os level thing
  106. # [16:59] <~davidb> (see also, painful)
  107. # [16:59] <helenvholmes> man, that would be downright annoying with a larger monitor
  108. # [16:59] <helenvholmes> even a not-large monitor, yikes
  109. # [16:59] <~davidb> boy howdy
  110. # [16:59] <&MarcoZ> Oh yeah, right, but do all desktop operating systems have that? I know Windows does, but does OS X have it, too? And Linux?
  111. # [17:00] <~davidb> but maybe someone has come up with sort low res nav and high res nav for fine tuned selection combo (if that makes sense)
  112. # [17:00] <~davidb> osx has something
  113. # [17:00] <~davidb> i imagine linux does
  114. # [17:00] <~davidb> for osx supposedly Option-Command-F5
  115. # [17:00] <~davidb> brings up the dialog to allow selection of mouse keys
  116. # [17:01] * &MarcoZ is just imagining the eyedropper to e enhanced to do automatic color contrast analyzing and giving warnings if the ratio is too low. ;-)
  117. # [17:01] <~davidb> helenvholmes: so mouse keys basically allows mouse simulation via keyboard, nothing to really do on our end AFAIK
  118. # [17:02] <~davidb> it might be worth brainstorming a better way, not sure
  119. # [17:02] <helenvholmes> all right
  120. # [17:02] <~davidb> MarcoZ: right :)
  121. # [17:02] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Right, only for invokation, like press the hotkey to get it going, then use mouse keys.
  122. # [17:02] <~davidb> yeah
  123. # [17:02] <helenvholmes> but at the end: a hotkey would be the right way to go?
  124. # [17:03] <~davidb> helenvholmes: yeah for a user who would then presumably use mouse keys a hotkey or at least some way of invoking via keyboard is probably needed
  125. # [17:03] <&MarcoZ> helenvholmes: Yes.
  126. # [17:03] <helenvholmes> All right, thank you both very much!
  127. # [17:03] <~davidb> (although you could also invoke via mouse keys)
  128. # [17:04] <helenvholmes> I'll think through the UX of the specifics in the bug...
  129. # [17:04] <~davidb> awesome
  130. # [17:04] <&MarcoZ> helenvholmes: Although when thinking about it more: Keyboard shortcuts aren't endlessly available. At some point we will run out of them. So thinking about a hotkey that brings up a list of tools to choose from might be an interesting idea as well.
  131. # [17:04] <&MarcoZ> Like some we already have could stay this way, but for others, a tool to choose one from a list might be interesting to avoid too many keyboard shortcut clashes.
  132. # [17:04] <helenvholmes> That sounds like a good idea since we have a selection of tools that are very similar in nature
  133. # [17:04] <helenvholmes> (page rulers, a measurement tool, the eyedropper)
  134. # [17:05] <helenvholmes> possibly also screenshotting
  135. # [17:05] <helenvholmes> might be worth bundling them.
  136. # [17:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1243785 filed by mzehe@mozilla.com.
  137. # [17:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1243785 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — In Open-Xchange, missing events cause NVDA's virtual buffer to not update properly
  138. # [17:33] <~davidb> MarcoZ: how are you for caffeine?
  139. # [17:35] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I actually asked yzen for a "disgusting energy drink" earlier. Somehow am dead tired. yzen recommended the fruit drink you also like. :-)
  140. # [17:36] <@yzen> MarcoZ did it work :) ?
  141. # [17:36] <&MarcoZ> And that seems to have helped indeed, am no longer as tired as I was an hour ago. :-)
  142. # [17:36] <&MarcoZ> Yeah feels like it.
  143. # [17:36] <&MarcoZ> yzen: ^
  144. # [17:37] <~davidb> cool, and that doesn't have caffeine
  145. # [17:38] <&MarcoZ> davidb: As long as it wakes me up, I don't really care how it does that. ;-)
  146. # [17:41] * ~davidb prepares a bucket of ice water
  147. # [17:41] <~davidb> yeah the drink has B vitamins etc, should help energy levels
  148. # [17:44] <&MarcoZ> davidb: What's it called exactly? Wonder if we have that in Germany, too.
  149. # [17:45] <&MarcoZ> Hey, and you leave that ice water where it is! ;) ;) ;)
  150. # [17:45] <&MarcoZ> (speaking of chills... Has someone turned down the temperature in this room? Feels a bit like it.
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  153. # [18:46] <@firebot> blassey.bugs@lassey.us requested needinfo from jgriffiths@mozilla.com on bug 1203059.
  154. # [18:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1203059 — REOPENED, jgriffiths@mozilla.com — [e10s] Default shortcuts are not supressed when overridden by web-application
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  157. # [19:37] <~davidb> MarcoZ: oops sorry missed your question. I think it is called 'little big shot energy' drink
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  165. # [20:57] <@firebot> jgriffiths@mozilla.com requested needinfo from jmathies@mozilla.com on bug 1203059.
  166. # [20:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1203059 — REOPENED, jgriffiths@mozilla.com — [e10s] Default shortcuts are not supressed when overridden by web-application
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