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  1. # Session Start: Tue May 13 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:01] * Bert trying to find Eric's first post...
  4. # [00:01] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Feb/0304.html ?
  5. # [00:02] <Bert> Yes, that's what I found.
  6. # [00:02] <Bert> -edge or -bound. Not really convincing.
  7. # [00:02] <Bert> But I'm interested in his opinion on -box.
  8. # [00:02] <fantasai> email him
  9. # [00:03] <fantasai> I think I'll have less luck getting a response
  10. # [00:03] <Bert> ACTION: Bert to ask Eric Meyer what he thinks about renaming 'bg-origin' to 'bg-box'
  11. # [00:03] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  12. # [00:03] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-65 - Ask Eric Meyer what he thinks about renaming 'bg-origin' to 'bg-box' [on Bert Bos - due 2008-05-19].
  13. # [00:05] <fantasai> ISSUE-46 tentatively accepted
  14. # [00:05] <fantasai> ok
  15. # [00:05] <fantasai> We're done!
  16. # [00:05] <fantasai> yay~~~~
  17. # [00:06] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai write up 2008-05-12 backgrounds and borders discussion
  18. # [00:06] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  19. # [00:06] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-66 - Write up 2008-05-12 backgrounds and borders discussion [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-05-19].
  20. # [00:06] <Bert> Perfect! It's midnight and I've worked 14 hours today. Time for a rest :-)
  21. # [00:07] <fantasai> hehe
  22. # [00:07] <bjoern> good night Bert.
  23. # [00:07] <fantasai> yes, sleep well :) have happy dreams~
  24. # [00:07] <anne> it's too hot here to get much done :(
  25. # [00:07] <Bert> Hi Bjoern!
  26. # [00:07] <Bert> Too hot? Where are you?
  27. # [00:07] <anne> like ~28C or something
  28. # [00:08] <fantasai> you call that hot?
  29. # [00:08] <anne> the Netherlands, funnily enough
  30. # [00:08] <anne> fantasai, yeah
  31. # [00:08] <fantasai> I'd consider it very warm :)
  32. # [00:08] <anne> normally i work at ~18C
  33. # [00:08] <fantasai> wow
  34. # [00:09] <fantasai> it's a big change
  35. # [00:09] <fantasai> but I remember being in school when it was above 30
  36. # [00:09] <fantasai> that was hot :)
  37. # [00:09] <anne> fair enough
  38. # [00:10] <fantasai> /and/ humid
  39. # [00:10] <fantasai> :/
  40. # [00:10] * fantasai remembers about eating lunch
  41. # [00:10] <bjoern> We need another degree for the 28, -> http://grafik.mannheim-wetter.info/
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  49. # [08:18] <MikeSmith> do any browsers support string-set and string() referencing yet?
  50. # [08:21] <MikeSmith> and/or is there any way other than string-set+string() that I can use to retrieve the head/title contents and display them elsewhere in document? (e.g, with content: <title>)
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  61. # [09:47] <fantasai> MikeSmith: PrinceXML might have experimental support for it
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  63. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> fantasai: thanks
  64. # [10:19] <jdaggett> fantasai: quick question
  65. # [10:20] <jdaggett> do you build CSS text within the css3-src dir?
  66. # [10:21] <jdaggett> should i be checking figure images into both css3-src/css3-fonts *and* csswg/css3-fonts?
  67. # [10:27] <anne> just move everything to dev.w3.org
  68. # [10:27] <anne> that's the long term goal
  69. # [10:29] <Bert> Choose one or the other. www.w3.org allows automatic generation files and you don't have to be as careful what you write in the draft. dev.w3.org makes it easier to show drafts to non W3C members.
  70. # [10:30] <Bert> I prefer the former, it avoids confusion over the status of drafts between /TR and editor's draft, but each editor can choose what he likes.
  71. # [10:32] <Bert> (Of course, if there are co-editors, they have to agree among them selves :-) )
  72. # [10:32] <jdaggett> great, thanks
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  87. # [14:34] <glazou> hi
  88. # [14:34] <glazou> fantasai: yt ?
  89. # [14:34] <glazou> peterl,plinss: ping
  90. # [14:36] <glazou> time zones can be painful *sigh*
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  92. # [15:46] * glazou will be back later
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  97. # [17:14] <anne> crap, the telcon was yesterday
  98. # [17:15] <anne> or maybe not
  99. # [17:15] * anne is confused
  100. # [17:15] <sharovatov> :)
  101. # [17:16] <sharovatov> they were talkin all evening long... fantasai and Bert :)
  102. # [17:17] <anne> so it seems, yes
  103. # [17:17] <anne> ah, every wednesday
  104. # [17:19] <sharovatov> :)
  105. # [17:19] <sharovatov> thanks for your website, btw.
  106. # [17:19] <sharovatov> very interesting.
  107. # [17:20] <anne> thanks, i should update it more often :)
  108. # [17:21] <krijnh> (You should)
  109. # [17:21] <sharovatov> btw, is here any irc channel where it's ok to discuss CSS implementation issues? Or is it ok to discuss it here when there's no telecon?
  110. # [17:26] <anne> that would be this channel
  111. # [17:26] <sharovatov> :)
  112. # [17:27] <anne> not many implementors seem to hang out here on a regular basis though so sometimes you might have more luck elsewhere
  113. # [17:27] <sharovatov> right... thanks!
  114. # [17:30] <sharovatov> does anyone know how CSS is applied when served as an external file by HTTP chunks?
  115. # [17:30] <sharovatov> does browser have to wait till the file is downloaded completely and only then parse its contents?
  116. # [17:31] <sharovatov> is it specified in any spec?
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  119. # [18:51] <sharovatov> hi again
  120. # [19:23] <fantasai> it's not specified in the spec
  121. # [19:23] <fantasai> anne, I think your topic was over-broad
  122. # [19:23] <fantasai> implementations are on topic here insofar as they affect the spec
  123. # [19:24] <sharovatov> fantasai, your message "it's not specified in the spec" is a reply to my previous question?
  124. # [19:24] <fantasai> yes
  125. # [19:24] <sharovatov> thank you
  126. # [19:24] <sharovatov> and thanks for the clarification
  127. # [19:24] <fantasai> sharovatov: if you have questions about how implementations work, you'd be better off asking in the Mozilla or WebKit channels
  128. # [19:25] <sharovatov> right. thanks a lot!
  129. # [19:25] <fantasai> np!
  130. # [19:30] <peterl> sharovatov: FWIW, gecko reads the entire css file before parsing, because of rule precedence and the cascade there's no reason to expect rules to be in any useful order. Processing part of a stylesheet may apply rules that would otherwise be overridden, so no benefit to the user and in fact it may be bad to apply part of a sheet.
  131. # [19:31] <sharovatov> wow, that's very interesting! Thanks
  132. # [19:32] <sharovatov> It means that there's no practical sense to embed big background-images into CSS
  133. # [19:32] <sharovatov> as it will take ages for the UA to load this CSS with dataURI'ed images...
  134. # [19:35] <peterl> yeah, better to leave them external to the stylesheet. it'll mean one more network hit, but it can be an async load while the rest of the sheet applies.
  135. # [19:35] <sharovatov> right.
  136. # [19:37] <sharovatov> thanks peterl!
  137. # [19:38] <peterl> welcome
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  140. # [21:28] <glazou> peterl,plinss: ping
  141. # [21:29] <glazou> fantasai: ping
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  143. # [22:02] <fantasai> glazou: pong
  144. # [22:02] <glazou> fantasai: you did not send your agenda items
  145. # [22:03] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008AprJun/0185.html
  146. # [22:04] <glazou> you said "next week"
  147. # [22:04] <fantasai> yes
  148. # [22:04] <glazou> ah
  149. # [22:04] <fantasai> I don't think there is enough time for everyone to review these issues before tomorrow
  150. # [22:05] <glazou> fantasai: I suggest explaining the issues to everyone
  151. # [22:05] <fantasai> although if anyone has comments before then, it would be good to get them on the mailing list after I send a summary of yesterday's discussions
  152. # [22:05] <glazou> w/o trying to resolve them
  153. # [22:06] <fantasai> I think Bert's explanations in the issues is pretty good
  154. # [22:06] <fantasai> we can open up for questions
  155. # [22:06] <glazou> ok
  156. # [22:07] <glazou> I see less and less work done in conf calls
  157. # [22:07] <fantasai> there is less work being prepared for the conf calls
  158. # [22:07] <glazou> no technical issues raised if you except yours
  159. # [22:07] <glazou> fantasai: bert is w3c staff, that was his full-time job to work on standards
  160. # [22:08] <glazou> that's not ours
  161. # [22:08] <fantasai> in the past many of our technical issues have been CSS2.1
  162. # [22:08] <glazou> yes
  163. # [22:08] <glazou> and that fortunately goes to an end
  164. # [22:08] <fantasai> you can prepare Selectors issues
  165. # [22:08] <fantasai> you and plinss are both editors
  166. # [22:08] <fantasai> there are still open issues
  167. # [22:09] <fantasai> I am still waiting for plinss to tell me whether I should move the spec to dev.w3.org or not :/
  168. # [22:09] <fantasai> he said he had local edits
  169. # [22:10] <fantasai> CSS Namespaces and CSS3 Color are moving for a final CR
  170. # [22:11] <fantasai> so we should be able to put the 2007 Snapshot in CR soon
  171. # [22:11] <fantasai> but only if Selectors moves forward
  172. # [22:11] <fantasai> Daniel, what of the charter?
  173. # [22:11] <glazou> in peter's hands
  174. # [22:12] <fantasai> wasn't the deadline like last-last week?
  175. # [22:12] <glazou> the most-preferred one
  176. # [22:12] <glazou> but yes we shoudl hurry up
  177. # [22:12] <fantasai> he said he was waiting for Opera's feedback
  178. # [22:12] <glazou> I mailed opera
  179. # [22:13] <glazou> got an answer from chaals
  180. # [22:13] * fantasai wonders where howcome is these days
  181. # [22:13] <glazou> saying "I get back to you within 24 hours"
  182. # [22:13] <glazou> that was the 7th of may
  183. # [22:13] <glazou> still waiting...
  184. # [22:13] <glazou> and howcome disappeared from the surface of the planet
  185. # [22:14] <fantasai> have you pestered chaals about it since?
  186. # [22:14] <fantasai> two weeks.. he deserves at least another poke or two :)
  187. # [22:15] <glazou> fantasai: this was a long week-end of holiday here
  188. # [22:15] <glazou> and I was away with my kids
  189. # [22:15] <fantasai> ok, you can poke him now then :)
  190. # [22:15] <glazou> already done...
  191. # [22:17] <dbaron> fantasai, css3-color doesn't need another CR, it just needs another LC
  192. # [22:18] <fantasai> ok, CR+
  193. # [22:44] * glazou waits for peterl...
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