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  1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 05 00:00:00 2009
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  33. # [20:18] <fantasai> Bert: I'm thinking that 'border' should reset 'border-image'
  34. # [20:19] <Bert> Yeah, makes some sense...
  35. # [20:19] <fantasai> should I make that change?
  36. # [20:20] <Bert> Not sure yet. I often use border to set things only to override them with border-style later...
  37. # [20:20] <fantasai> right
  38. # [20:20] <fantasai> but
  39. # [20:20] <fantasai> if you're also using a border-image?
  40. # [20:21] <fantasai> I'm concerned because border-image always overwrites the border
  41. # [20:21] <fantasai> and if in the cascade, somewhere earlier someone set border-image and I'm not expecting that...
  42. # [20:21] <fantasai> I set border, and get a border-image
  43. # [20:22] <Bert> Yes, but the asymmetry that border can reset, but not set the image, bothers me a bit.
  44. # [20:23] <Bert> (It's the same with box-sizing, so it's not new, but still not as elegant as it could be...)
  45. # [20:23] <fantasai> how is it the same as box-sizing?
  46. # [20:24] <Bert> Box-sizing influences width, so you may not get the width you expected, unless you also explicitly set box-sizing.
  47. # [20:24] <fantasai> oh
  48. # [20:24] <fantasai> yeah
  49. # [20:24] <fantasai> but that's not a shorthand problem :)
  50. # [20:24] <fantasai> that's just the cascade problem again
  51. # [20:25] <fantasai> anyway, web-designers seem to be interested in setting box-sizing for the whole page and just working with that size model the whole way through
  52. # [20:25] <fantasai> so it's less of an issue
  53. # [20:26] <fantasai> (basically they think, and I agree, that the CSS model of using the content-box width was the wrong way to do it from the start)
  54. # [20:26] <Bert> Maybe it is more like color and background then, which the validator also recommends to always set together, to avoid surprises.
  55. # [20:26] <fantasai> yeah
  56. # [20:26] <fantasai> but
  57. # [20:26] <fantasai> border-image is a new property
  58. # [20:27] <fantasai> and to get rid of the conflict you set it to its initial value
  59. # [20:27] <fantasai> with color and bgcolor, you really need to set them together
  60. # [20:28] <Bert> (I don't agree, re: box-sizing. What they want is something like grid layout (which we proposed in 1996 already...), but the box model isn't meant for that. But that aside.)
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  62. # [20:32] <Bert> Hmm, I don't know... It's true that border isn't a true shorthand already, in the sense that it cannot do everything the indiv. props do, but somehow I don't like that it removes an image and puts nothing in its place at all.
  63. # [20:32] <fantasai> it puts whatever border you define there
  64. # [20:32] <fantasai> in place of the image
  65. # [20:33] <fantasai> border-image: url(fancy.png) 25%;
  66. # [20:33] <fantasai> border: solid gray; /* replace it with a solid gray border */
  67. # [20:38] <Bert> I can't make up my mind :-( Somehow I have trouble seeing border as anything else than a shorthand for border-{style,width,color}.
  68. # [20:38] <fantasai> ok, I'll post to www-style
  69. # [20:38] <Bert> And I think images will be rather more rare than other borders, although I don't know exactly how that plays into the question.
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