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  63. # [18:19] * Topic is 'CSS Working Group discussion'
  64. # [18:19] * Set by fantasai on Mon Aug 02 00:49:50
  65. # [18:19] <sylvaing> plinss: yes we're getting to the point where we'd remove erroneous testcases unless they absolutely have to be fixed
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  68. # [18:20] <sylvaing> Topic: CSS2.1 issues
  69. # [18:20] <plinss> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-101
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  71. # [18:21] <sylvaing> Bert: my opinion is the same. we shouldn't change the spec. this is implemented incorrectly
  72. # [18:21] <sylvaing> TabAtkins: it's implemented incorrectly the same by everyone
  73. # [18:21] <Zakim> -arronei
  74. # [18:21] * dsinger_ my regrets. I have a conflicting call. But I'll stay on IRC...
  75. # [18:22] <sylvaing> TabAtkins: the change is a matter of making the model described in the spec match reality
  76. # [18:23] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  77. # [18:24] <arronei> zakim, microsoft.a is me
  78. # [18:24] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  79. # [18:25] * dsinger_ zakim, who is here?
  80. # [18:25] * Zakim sees on the phone: johnjan, plinss, fantasai, kojiishi, bradk, dethbakin, smfr, Bert, ??P18, [Microsoft], howcome, TabAtkins, David_Baron, ChrisL, arronei
  81. # [18:25] * Zakim ??P18 has alexmog
  82. # [18:25] * Zakim sees on irc: dsinger_, howcome, krijnh, dbaron, TabAtkins, sylvaing, smfr, alexmog, dethbakin, johnjan, oyvind, kojiishi, bradk, RRSAgent, Zakim, kennyluck, nimbupani, arronei,
  83. # [18:25] * Zakim ... karl, hyatt, gsnedders, jgraham, shepazu, anne, Martijnc, plinss_, Hixie, fantasai, plinss, Bert, TabAtkins_, trackbot
  84. # [18:25] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  85. # [18:25] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TabAtkins (29%), Bert (19%), howcome (49%)
  86. # [18:27] <sylvaing> dbaron: the change I had made that caused regressions was anologous to these rules but not directly related to them
  87. # [18:27] <sylvaing> johnjan: IE9 now passes these testcases so we should investigate the actual compat impact first
  88. # [18:28] <sylvaing> johnjan: I'd rather assert a regression tail before changing the spec
  89. # [18:28] <sylvaing> (johnjan will try to get compat data to discuss at TPAC)
  90. # [18:28] <dbaron> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472252 was the bug I had the next day when I broke one of these cases
  91. # [18:29] <sylvaing> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-154
  92. # [18:29] <sylvaing> arronei: I haven't had time to update these.
  93. # [18:29] <sylvaing> arronei: the prose edits have already improved clarity substantially
  94. # [18:30] <sylvaing> plinss,ChrisL: not worth waiting for then. Resolved.
  95. # [18:30] <sylvaing> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-159
  96. # [18:30] <sylvaing> Bert: I like the text; it's clearer than the current version
  97. # [18:31] <sylvaing> Bert: I have suggested minor improvements; box and elements are often mentioned in the same sentence without distinguishing them. The things that adjoin are boxes, the things that are siblings are the elements
  98. # [18:32] <sylvaing> (Bert discusses the wording described in his review)
  99. # [18:32] <sylvaing> Bert's comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0819.html
  100. # [18:34] <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/201010271802.31842.bert@w3.org my review of 159
  101. # [18:34] <dbaron> I suggested making "adjoining" not transitive in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jul/0507.html
  102. # [18:35] <dbaron> but it's technically ok either way; just a matter of how we define the terms
  103. # [18:36] * dsinger_ seems odd that A can adjoin B while B does not adjoin A
  104. # [18:36] <sylvaing> (discussion of adjoining margin definition that the scribe cannot keep up with)
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  106. # [18:38] * bradk has to take off now. Bye!
  107. # [18:39] <Zakim> -bradk
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  109. # [18:39] * sylvaing 'What would Shelby do ?'
  110. # [18:41] <sylvaing> fantasai: I like Bert's suggested changes; but I think the way the terms adjoining and collapse are currently defined is fine
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  112. # [18:46] <fantasai> > | A collapsed margin is considered adjoining to another margin if
  113. # [18:46] <fantasai> > | any of its component margins is adjoining to that margin.
  114. # [18:46] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: write example to clarify this
  115. # [18:46] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  116. # [18:46] * RRSAgent records action 1
  117. # [18:46] <trackbot> Created ACTION-270 - Write example to clarify this [on Elika Etemad - due 2010-11-03].
  118. # [18:46] <sylvaing> ACTION: fantasai to write a spec example to clarify that a collapsed margin is considered adjoining to another maring if any of its component margin is adjoining to that margin
  119. # [18:46] * RRSAgent records action 2
  120. # [18:46] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  121. # [18:46] <trackbot> Created ACTION-271 - Write a spec example to clarify that a collapsed margin is considered adjoining to another maring if any of its component margin is adjoining to that margin [on Elika Etemad - due 2010-11-03].
  122. # [18:46] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 159 with Bert's "no padding or margin areas" change and "drop 'vertical'" changes
  123. # [18:47] <fantasai> fantasai to write example
  124. # [18:47] <sylvaing> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-199
  125. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  126. # [18:47] <Zakim> -arronei
  127. # [18:47] <sylvaing> my phone dropped the call
  128. # [18:48] <sylvaing> scribe relay !
  129. # [18:48] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  130. # [18:48] <fantasai> I would suggest s/auto position/static position/
  131. # [18:49] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  132. # [18:49] <fantasai> And replace "the top of the box in the vertical direction, and the same position horizontally that" with "the same as"
  133. # [18:49] <sylvaing> RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for CSS2.1 Issue 199
  134. # [18:49] <fantasai> Since it's zero-height, it doesn't matter.
  135. # [18:50] * oyvind dsinger_ I don't think that follows from non-transitivity...
  136. # [18:50] <sylvaing> (Bert and Tab discuss the change's exact insertion point in the spec)
  137. # [18:50] <dbaron> Issue 199 is changing text in 9.4.2
  138. # [18:51] * dsinger_ I am not awake. Don't worry. I am trying to be reflexive and failing
  139. # [18:51] <sylvaing> Topic: agenda items for TPAC
  140. # [18:51] <sylvaing> plinss: please email your items, review the wiki and update as necessary
  141. # [18:52] * dsinger_ A adjoins B, B adjoins C, but A does not adjoin C, right? Still seems odd
  142. # [18:52] <sylvaing> plinss: let's try to work out Sunday night dinner plans over email
  143. # [18:53] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-background/issues-lc-2010
  144. # [18:53] <sylvaing> topic: publishing CSS3 Backgrounds & Borders CR
  145. # [18:53] <sylvaing> fantasai: I don't see anything blocking publishing
  146. # [18:54] <sylvaing> ChrisL: transition call to exit LC won't happen this week or next but we can get the process started
  147. # [18:55] * dsinger_ I have some suggestions from French friends for restaurants. Not sure whether online reservation is easy. Am staying hotel Roosevelt. Arrive Sunday afternoon sfo-far-lys UAL/lufthansa
  148. # [18:55] <sylvaing> RESOLVED: publish CSS3 Backgrounds & Borders CR
  149. # [18:56] <sylvaing> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-120
  150. # [18:56] <sylvaing> Bert: this is the large rewrite that updates containing block definitions
  151. # [18:57] <sylvaing> Bert: I noted that it unintentionally no longer makes tables containing blocks and we need to fix that
  152. # [18:58] <sylvaing> Bert: changes are in the editor's draft, 9.2.1.
  153. # [19:01] <sylvaing> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-142
  154. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  155. # [19:02] * sylvaing well, installing that browser with a blue logo just killed my phone call
  156. # [19:02] * sylvaing scribe is out
  157. # [19:02] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Aug/0443.html
  158. # [19:04] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0044.html
  159. # [19:04] * sylvaing can't get back in.
  160. # [19:04] <Bert> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0042.html
  161. # [19:05] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  162. # [19:05] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  163. # [19:05] <Zakim> -smfr
  164. # [19:05] <Zakim> -howcome
  165. # [19:05] <Zakim> -johnjan
  166. # [19:05] <Zakim> -plinss
  167. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Bert
  168. # [19:06] <Zakim> -dethbakin
  169. # [19:06] <Zakim> -fantasai
  170. # [19:06] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  171. # [19:06] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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  176. # [19:06] * dbaron Zakim, who is on the phone?
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  183. # [19:11] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  184. # [19:11] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  185. # [19:11] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, +1.415.920.aaaa, kojiishi, johnjan, fantasai, +1.650.275.aabb, dethbakin, bradk, smfr, Bert, arronei, alexmog, [Microsoft], +47.21.65.aacc, howcome,
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