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  5. # [01:27] <dbaron> fantasai, for issues with css3-text that probably don't need discussion (in particular, 'text-shadow' wording needs some updating to match 'box-shadow'), is it better to email www-style or create an issue in the issue tracker?
  6. # [01:31] <dbaron> fantasai, also, smontagu just landed a patch (to change the interaction between <br> and bidi in our implementation) that makes Gecko diverge **further** from http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/nightly-unstable/html4/bidi-004a.htm
  7. # [01:36] <dbaron> then again, I guess it does define <shadow> as a reference to 'box-shadow', so I guess we're ok on the first count
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  39. # [16:53] <fantasai> dbaron: send mail to www-style for any issues
  40. # [16:53] <fantasai> dbaron: I'll toss them in the tracker if need be
  41. # [16:53] <fantasai> by reference
  42. # [16:54] <fantasai> dbaron: wrt <br>, see http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10828
  43. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> fantasai, I suppose http://wiki.csswg.org/test/review-system hasn't been implemented yet? :)
  44. # [17:23] <fantasai> No
  45. # [17:23] <fantasai> TabAtkins has a prototype, but it's not production-ready
  46. # [17:23] <fantasai> speaking of which,
  47. # [17:23] <fantasai> TabAtkins: You need to send plinss the zip files of the review system source code!
  48. # [17:24] <fantasai> Ms2ger, thanks for reminding me to remind him. ;)
  49. # [17:24] * Ms2ger wants it for HTML
  50. # [17:28] <fantasai> That would be cool :)
  51. # [17:28] <fantasai> We did try to design it so that it could be generalizable to you guys
  52. # [17:28] <fantasai> I think the main consideration there is that our tests are per-file
  53. # [17:28] <fantasai> I'm not sure that yours are
  54. # [17:28] <Ms2ger> Not necessarily
  55. # [17:28] <fantasai> and I don't really know how to work around that...
  56. # [17:29] <fantasai> I mean, I guess you could have your snippets in separate files and build them
  57. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> Though file-granularity would probably work too
  58. # [17:29] <fantasai> that way source control would manage each "test" independently
  59. # [17:29] <fantasai> even though they wind up in the same file
  60. # [17:29] <fantasai> We currently don't have the system working with mercurial
  61. # [17:30] <fantasai> It's designed so that you can plug in other version control systems
  62. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> Yay
  63. # [17:30] <fantasai> but while I started with mercurial, I gave up and switched to svn
  64. # [17:30] <fantasai> svn is easier to work with, api-wise
  65. # [17:30] <fantasai> or was at the time
  66. # [17:30] <fantasai> I think Tab rewrote most of the code when he took over
  67. # [17:31] <fantasai> I have no idea what it looks like now :)
  68. # [17:31] <fantasai> But plinss is looking at taking it over
  69. # [17:32] * gsnedders should finish properly adding support for foreign content to html5lib's serializer so he can merge in fantasai's patches without breaking (the mostly by-chance lucky) support for foreign content there already is.
  70. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> Would be nice to have it in public version control
  71. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> I suggest hg :)
  72. # [17:32] <fantasai> I KNOW!
  73. # [17:32] <gsnedders> So then we can get the build system working with out-of-the-box html5lib…
  74. # [17:32] * fantasai kept pestering Tab to put it there, but he kept not doing it
  75. # [17:33] <gsnedders> That said, I have far too much time traveling over the next few weeks… I guess I should be able to do it all then.
  76. # [17:33] <fantasai> Now that W3C has mercurial, though
  77. # [17:33] <fantasai> we can put it there!
  78. # [17:33] <fantasai> which would be better
  79. # [17:33] <fantasai> gsnedders: That would be awesome
  80. # [17:33] <fantasai> gsnedders: I haven't looked into updating our copy of html5lib in a long time
  81. # [17:33] <fantasai> gsnedders: I think we're running off a July 20th copy, or thereabouts
  82. # [17:34] * fantasai thinks she noted the version number in the patch
  83. # [17:34] <jgraham> Hmm, what is this? A review system?
  84. # [17:34] * jgraham would like to review the review system
  85. # [17:34] <fantasai> a systems for tracking test status and review comments
  86. # [17:34] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/review-system
  87. # [17:35] <fantasai> That's some very cursory notes...
  88. # [17:35] * Ms2ger files a bug at https://github.com/tabatkins/life/issues
  89. # [17:35] <fantasai> lol
  90. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> /life/issues does sound peculiar
  91. # [17:36] <gsnedders> fantasai: I think I've done almost everything for it now, just having initially done it, I've realized the API I designed is terrible :)
  92. # [17:36] <fantasai> done what?
  93. # [17:36] * fantasai confused
  94. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> Foreign content
  95. # [17:36] <gsnedders> fantasai: Added support for foreign content to the serializer. Well, really everything apart from the serializer that the serializer depends on.
  96. # [17:37] <jgraham> The reviewer workflow looks way more complex than we want
  97. # [17:38] <fantasai> "foreign content"?
  98. # [17:38] <gsnedders> fantasai: SVG/MathML in HTML5
  99. # [17:39] <fantasai> What, "find test to review", "check for dups", "review test", "Make comments" is too complex?
  100. # [17:39] <fantasai> oh
  101. # [17:39] <fantasai> ok, I gotta run
  102. # [17:40] <fantasai> ttyl
  103. # [17:44] <jgraham> check for dups is too complex
  104. # [17:45] <jgraham> Also I'm not sure what the "ownwer or peer" stuff means
  105. # [17:45] <jgraham> OK, we don't have owners or peers
  106. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> We're all peers, then :)
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  108. # [17:54] <jgraham> Everyone's friends in the HTMLWG!
  109. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> And then there's MS
  110. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> (Well, not going to comment on the WG itself)
  111. # [17:56] * jgraham isn't very celar how this will work for cases like the attribute reflection tests that are basically reviewing code rather than individual tests
  112. # [17:56] <jgraham> celar?
  113. # [17:56] <jgraham> some people
  114. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> I'm no big fan of Aryeh's approach myself, but it's infinitely better than MS's
  115. # [17:58] <jgraham> I think having some code and a big table is the only way to get that level of coverage
  116. # [17:58] <jgraham> But it does make the workflow painful
  117. # [18:00] <jgraham> (and it also means that the percentage resutls have even less bearing on reality than normal)
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