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  18. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Phew, finally got Grid all hoisted onto Bikeshed.
  19. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> That... took a while.
  20. # [01:36] <TabAtkins> There were a *lot* of broken/ambiguous links.
  21. # [01:36] <TabAtkins> While fixing them is annoying, they were *wrong* before, so this is a net positive.
  22. # [01:37] <TabAtkins> Oh god, and I haven't started tagging definitions to export, either. :/
  23. # [01:38] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Not particularly looking forward to tagging Writing Modes. It's another big spec, and so probably riddled with errors.
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  26. # [02:27] <TabAtkins> plinss: What's the time delay for Shepherd to parse a just-committed ED?
  27. # [02:27] <plinss> up to 5 minutes
  28. # [02:29] <plinss> (for our repo, it doesn't monitor the fxtf repo, but it picks up those changes the next time it runs, ie: after a commit to our repo or at midnight)
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  42. # [07:11] <fantasai> TabAtkins: there's not as many terms
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  110. # [18:53] <plinss> TabAtkins: have you done any work on the bikeshed web front end yet?
  111. # [18:53] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Hah, you wish. There's a *ton* of terms that need to be exported in there.
  112. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> plinss: No, I haven't.
  113. # [18:54] <plinss> k, I think I'll do that today then...
  114. # [18:54] <plinss> if you don't mind
  115. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Something like http://hg.hoppipolla.co.uk/hgwebdir.cgi/aquarium/?
  116. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> plinss: Fine with me.
  117. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: What's that?
  118. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> http://anolis.hoppipolla.co.uk/
  119. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> Ah, yes, like that.
  120. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> Also wget-able.
  121. # [18:56] <TabAtkins> Most people in the CSSWG use a curl script to Bert's preprocessor, and I want to be able to offer the same.
  122. # [18:56] <Ms2ger> Hixie uses it that way, aiui
  123. # [19:11] <hober> i really dislike depending on the network; i'm all for having a network service be an option, but having it required as it is with bert's processor is really aggravating
  124. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> hober: I agree, that's part of why I wrote my own. It's easy to install on your own computer, but some people prefer to use the network.
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  137. # [21:14] <fantasai> it would be great if we had a script to run it locally in csswg/bin
  138. # [21:14] <fantasai> then everyone who checks out the spec repo gets it automatically
  139. # [21:17] <SimonSapin> fantasai: that’s doable if we assume the presence of lots of dependencies (python with lxml), or ship lots of binaries for different systems
  140. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> Sure
  141. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> python+lxml isn't that hard to get
  142. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> But I guess fantasai meant a script to poll the web service
  143. # [21:26] <SimonSapin> oh, ok
  144. # [21:27] <SimonSapin> yeah, that would be good to have
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  146. # [22:01] <fantasai> well, both would be nice
  147. # [22:02] <fantasai> even if we do assume dependencies
  148. # [22:02] <fantasai> don't think we should ship binaries :)
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  151. # [22:22] <TabAtkins> Yeah, the local version isn't realistically shippable in the repo.
  152. # [22:22] <TabAtkins> But a curl script for the web service definitely is, + whatever the hell works on Windows.
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  154. # [22:24] <plinss> TabAtkins: I was also thinking to maybe automate running bikeshed on the server after pushes so we don't have to commit the Overview.html files (just Overview.src.html)
  155. # [22:24] <TabAtkins> plinss: No, you want to run bikeshed beforehand, to catch errors.
  156. # [22:25] <plinss> agreed, but do we want to commit the output?
  157. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Maintaining link/dfn hygiene is one of the great benefits.
  158. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Oh!
  159. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Eh, don't care.
  160. # [22:25] <plinss> I guess it depends on if people want the output of all the other specs for free in a clone
  161. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Yeah.
  162. # [22:26] <TabAtkins> of course, that depends on our entire repo switching to bikeshed.
  163. # [22:26] <plinss> Well, I was thinking some kind of convention or flag to use bikeshed
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  165. # [22:27] <plinss> could be as simple as "there's an Overview.src.html file and NOT an Overview.html file"
  166. # [22:27] <SimonSapin> plinss: oh yes please
  167. # [22:27] <TabAtkins> Yeah, that would work.
  168. # [22:28] <plinss> ok, once the web service is done I'll set that up too
  169. # [22:28] <TabAtkins> Cool. ^_^
  170. # [22:28] <SimonSapin> plinss: well, you have to run it only when the source changes. Which Mercurial can tell you, but it’s not obvious
  171. # [22:29] <plinss> right
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  173. # [22:36] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I suppose your uses of <a name> in Writing Modes is because you changed ids at some point?
  174. # [22:37] <TabAtkins> (We should be able to assign multiple ids to a single element. The important part is that id->element is an injection; making it a bijection doesn't give any benefit.)
  175. # [22:39] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: it helps making selectors fast that elements have at most one ID
  176. # [22:39] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Why?
  177. # [22:40] <SimonSapin> one thing vs. a list of things
  178. # [22:40] <SimonSapin> although I admit I don’t have any data on this
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  183. # [23:23] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Yes
  184. # [23:23] <fantasai> TabAtkins: work day on Monday work for you?
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  186. # [23:47] <plinss> TabAtkins: http://api.csswg.org/bikeshed/
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  188. # [23:48] <SimonSapin> plinss: looks great
  189. # [23:48] <SimonSapin> would be nice with a sample curl command
  190. # [23:49] <plinss> that works too
  191. # [23:49] <plinss> I'll add it (fwiw, same params as Bert's)
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