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# Session Start: Thu Dec 01 15:27:52 2011
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# [15:28] <khuey> gabor: I think if you call http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#1863 in your Init method
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# [15:28] <khuey> it'll cause the script object factory to get created
# [15:29] <khuey> and the exception providers to get registered
# [15:29] <khuey> (and in non-xpcshell contexts it won't do anything since the factory will have alreday been set up)
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# [15:30] <khuey> er, grumble
# [15:30] <khuey> but that's private
# [15:30] * gabor trying to understand code
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# [15:31] <khuey> but the basic idea is the same
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# [15:31] <khuey> ask XPCOM to create the DOMScriptObjectFactory service
# [15:31] <khuey> in the init method
# [15:31] <khuey> so that the exception providers get registered
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# [15:34] <khuey> gabor: does that make sense?
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# [15:34] <gabor> khuey: right, so I don't have to cut out parts from this, (the NS_ERROR_MODULE_DOM_INDEXEDDB part...) just let XPCOM construct an nsDOMScriptObjectFactory?
# [15:34] <khuey> right
# [15:34] <khuey> and hopefully things will just work
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# [15:35] <gabor> alright, I'll try that
# [15:35] <khuey> (the hopefully being that the nsDOMScriptObjectFactory might have other dependencies that I don't know about ...)
# [15:35] <gandalf> khuey: what about my custom classes, should I use nsClassHashable for them?
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# [15:36] <khuey> gandalf: probably
# [15:36] <gandalf> ok
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# [15:36] <khuey> bsmedberg: around?
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# [15:46] <glandium> do we have gdb helpers for pldhashes ?
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# [16:00] <shondoit> I don´t get it. I added a ´write to file´ section to nsPluginHost.cpp, but it doesn´t seem to write when getPluginTags is being called.
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# [16:01] <shondoit> Either my cpp sucks or the binaries don´t get updated. (I don´t rule out the first option)
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# [16:01] <shondoit> khuey: I tried make in all 3 dirs, and also make in objdir directly.
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# [16:12] <glazou> mconley: nice post about pymake; super-simple to use; thanks
# [16:12] <mconley> glazou: np! Enjoy faster Windows builds. :)
# [16:12] <glazou> hell yes
# [16:12] <glazou> ~9 minutes instead of 50
# [16:13] <mconley> glazou: I know - it's the shiznit.
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# [16:16] <imphil> are there somewhere localized release builds of xulrunner available?
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# [16:16] <bsmedberg> khuey: pong
# [16:17] <khuey> bsmedberg: is there a reason that the hashtable guide says to use nsClassHashtable for strings?
# [16:17] <khuey> isntead of nsDataHashtable?
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# [16:19] <bsmedberg> umm
# [16:19] <bsmedberg> are strings memmovable?
# [16:19] <bsmedberg> last I checked I thought they weren't
# [16:19] <khuey> good question!
# [16:19] <bsmedberg> but it's also possible that datahashtable does copy construction, I don't remember that either
# [16:19] <bsmedberg> well, I guess you wouldn't ever be dealing with autostrings
# [16:20] <bsmedberg> so they probably are memmovable
# [16:20] <khuey> nsHashKeys.h seems to believe that they are
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# [16:20] <bsmedberg> short answer, I don't know why
# [16:20] <khuey> hmm, ok
# [16:20] <bsmedberg> data hashtable *sounds* ok, but as the key size starts getting bigger the allocated version becomes faster
# [16:20] <khuey> seems like using nsDataHashtable would be more efficient
# [16:20] <khuey> right
# [16:20] <khuey> but strings are small
# [16:20] <khuey> well, the non-auto versions anyways
# [16:20] <bsmedberg> yeayeah
# [16:21] <bsmedberg> josh: what's the current status of the plugins-to-content patch? Still need examination of pandora?
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# [16:26] <khuey> is jfkthame on pto?
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# [16:33] <firebot> Check-in:
# [16:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b4782acec285 - Mark Banner - Fix comm-central app bustage from bug 696498 - change the depth of the makefiles to account for being generated from the comm-central build system now that the old xpfe autocomplete
# [16:33] <firebot> files are no longer generated within the mozilla-central part of the build system. rs=Neil over irc. NPOTFFB DONTBUILD
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# [16:52] <taras> gcp: pong
# [16:53] <gcp> taras: +HISTOGRAM(URLCLASSIFIER_LC_PREFIXES, 1, 1500000, 15, LINEAR, "Size of the prefix cache in entries")
# [16:53] <gcp> taras: how come basically random numbers show up in the histogram?
# [16:53] <gcp> taras: I'd expected 100000, 200000, or at worst, 999999, 199998 :)
# [16:54] <taras> you mean on the server?
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# [16:55] <taras> i guess you mean bucket numbers
# [16:55] <taras> i don't know
# [16:56] <gcp> in about:telemetry
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# [16:58] <taras> gcp: i don'tuse linear ones, feel free to step through code :)
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# [16:58] <gcp> taras: shall I report a bug?
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# [16:58] <taras> gcp: ok, but you'd have to be more specific
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# [17:10] <khuey> hmm, did we make scrolling really slow recently?
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# [17:10] <khuey> oh, nice
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# [17:10] <khuey> pandora decided it needed to burn a whole core
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# [17:14] <ejpbruel> khuey: w00t
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# [17:37] <philor> could someone with bandwidth please open https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7683041&tree=Firefox and tell me that it ends with infinite test_writerstarvation lines until it hits 50MB?
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# [17:39] <philor> well, bandwidth, RAM, and CPU
# [17:39] <mak> I have 2 out of 3, trying though
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# [17:40] <gcp> hmm, who do I CC for help with a (potential) NSS issue?
# [17:40] <philor> don't really need all three unless you're in a build that crashes on hangs, that was a miserable day for opening logs
# [17:41] <mak> I just get a nice "The connection was reset" error :)
# [17:41] <jhammel> likewise :(
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# [17:41] <mak> oh ok it's loading
# [17:42] <joe> gcp: kaie
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# [17:42] <khuey> philor: I'll talk to bent about disabling that today
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# [17:42] <philor> thx
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# [17:44] <ehsan> imelven: ping
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# [17:45] <mak> philor: I'm not sure is that one... looks like an infinite loop in a localStorage test
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# [17:45] <mak> it's full of WARNING: No outer window available!: file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-cen-w32-dbg/build/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp, line 8732
# [17:45] <lurking> hmm, I opened a crash report and when I closed the tab, I still have a 14meg compartment hanging around - shoulldn't that close ? I've ran CC/GC/Reduce memory and its still there
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# [17:47] <mak> philor: yeah, it's not indexedDB
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# [17:48] <mak> it's full of warnings, of ###!!! ASSERTION: anonymous nodes should not be in child lists: '!aOldChild->IsRootOfAnonymousSubtree()'
# [17:49] <mak> then it reaches a ### ERROR: SymGetModuleInfo64: T0x0000000006C783BA
# [17:49] <mak> and loops over it
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# [17:50] <mak> then it bails out for exceeding output
# [17:50] <mccr8> lurking: zombie compartments are often caused by addons. AdBlockPlus had one, for instance, that was fixed only in a recent beta.
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# [17:52] <lurking> ok, only addon here is Console2 and ForecastFox - neither have I ever had issues with
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# [17:54] <mccr8> lurking: hmm. that's odd. you can file a bug blocking bug 668871, but without clear steps to reproduce I'm not sure how much we can do.
# [17:55] <lurking> yeah, that's why I was asking - I was just browsing crash-reports and noticed the compartment hanging around - I'.ll make note of 668871 and do some testing to see if I can get a STR
# [17:55] <mccr8> thanks.
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# [17:56] <mccr8> or you can just put [MemShrink] in the white board and somebody will notice and triage it appropriately. :)
# [17:56] <lurking> ok
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# [18:03] <kaie> hmm. I just got an internal error on bugzilla
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# [18:04] <kaie> Template->process() failed twice.
# [18:04] <kaie> ah. lost connection to mysql
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# [18:06] <kaie> I'm unable to link a firefox optimized build on my fedora 16 machine. ld goes up to 1730 MB, then fails. 32bit. I had about 1 GB free when this happened (build with X stopped for testing)
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# [18:40] <josh> bsmedberg: Pandora is the only known failure, and it's odd, I am looking at making sure one other bug didn't slip though, though it doesn't break any real sites if it did (that I know of)
# [18:40] <nigelb> Hrm, I have a question, but I don't know how to ask this one.
# [18:41] <nigelb> Is there a wway to to debug the javascript written for the browser?
# [18:41] <bsmedberg> josh: ok, I'll try to do some pandora debugging... I suspect this is a script-type error of some sort, not a core plugin-communication error
# [18:41] <josh> yeah
# [18:41] <josh> thanks!
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# [18:42] <josh> if I can fix the other issue today and someone figures out Pandora we could be ready for review tomorrow
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# [18:44] <josh> bsmedberg: The other issue I'm working on has to do with whether or not we require an object frame to exist when we instantiate.
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# [18:45] <josh> My latest patch does not require an object frame, because some big sites actually depend on that being the case when the instance depends on a network load.
# [18:45] <gcp> dcamp: ping
# [18:46] <josh> But that might allow instantiating regular display:none plugins, which we shouldn't be doing
# [18:46] <dcamp> gcp: yo
# [18:46] <gcp> dcamp: can you run through 706049, 702217 and (soonish) 706740?
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# [18:47] <gcp> dcamp: they're all small fixes, but they might need to go in beta/aurora, so important
# [18:47] <dcamp> have the afternoon blocked out for safebrowsing reviews
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# [18:47] <reuben> I've got the weirdest bug right now, I can't interact with this page. it scrolls, clicking on it doesn't even take away focus from the location bar
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# [18:47] <gcp> splendid
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# [18:48] <reuben> and it suddenly worked after I tabbed to the IRC client to say that
# [18:48] <reuben> heisenbug
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# [19:01] <glazou> bsmedberg: ping
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# [19:03] <glazou> is curtisk on IRC ?
# [19:04] <Mossop> whois says yes
# [19:04] <glazou> can say yes if you know his irc nick...
# [19:04] <glazou> I have no idea :-)
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# [19:05] <Mossop> ... it's curtisk ;)
# [19:05] <glazou> oook I thought I could find him _here_
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# [19:06] <bsmedberg> glazou: pong
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# [19:10] <glazou> bsmedberg: nm, I got my answer ; pinged you because I found curtisk reports on your web site and did not know him
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# [19:13] <gavin> Yoric: fwiw my bugzilla email address is "gavin.sharp", not that other one you've been using
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# [19:13] <Yoric> My bad.
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# [19:15] <imelven> ehsan: pong
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# [19:21] <ehsan> imelven: can you please take a look at the last couple of paragraphs of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481815#c409?
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# [19:22] <imelven> ehsan: certainly
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# [19:23] <biesi> ehsan, comment 409? wow
# [19:27] <ehsan> biesi: yeah, I know :)
# [19:27] <ehsan> imelven: thanks :)
# [19:27] <mbrubeck> "last couple paragraphs"? :)
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# [19:28] <imelven> ehsan: no problem - slowly catching up on today's bugmail :)
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# [19:35] <jez> Are there any alternative free root SSL authorities besides StartCom that Firefox trusts by default?
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# [19:36] <gavin> don't think so
# [19:36] <Mossop> I know godaddy does a free cert for open source, not sure of any others that are totall free though
# [19:36] <jez> sigh.
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# [19:37] <jez> and StartSSL continues to use one of the most mind-bogglingly idiotic control panel login systems known to mankind.
# [19:37] <jez> i'm wodnering whether this is their in-joke - the real payment for their certs is managing to login
# [19:37] <jhammel> hah!
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# [19:38] <jhammel> jez: you are secretly solving CAPTCHAs for other sites ;)
# [19:38] <jez> can't Firefox start trusting CACert.org/
# [19:38] <jez> ?
# [19:38] <khuey> no
# [19:38] <jez> any reason?
# [19:39] <khuey> bug 215243
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# [19:39] <khuey> firebot: bug 215243
# [19:39] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243 enh, P3, ---, gerv, VERI INVALID, CAcert root cert inclusion into browser
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# [19:40] <mbrubeck> argh, more new leaks
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# [19:44] <hub> jez: from what I heard, CACert has never been able to provide any insurance that the signing key for certificate hasn't leaked anywhere. But that's just what I heard. This is unfortunate.
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# [19:44] <khuey> it's complex
# [19:44] <khuey> you really should read the bug
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# [19:45] <jez> heh
# [19:45] <jez> "Eddy Nigg (StartCom) 2009-05-27 12:49:01 PDT"
# [19:45] <jez> "(One time very reasonable fee, unlimited certificates, unlimited domains and sub domains in SAN, wild cards)"
# [19:46] <jez> and a login system from hell that requires you use the same machine and browers to login, and your login cert lasts a year after which you are permanently and irretreivably locked out of your own control panel
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# [19:47] <hub> khuey: I will as soon as Nightly finishes building.
# [19:47] <khuey> I hear we have copies of it you can download :-P
# [19:48] <hub> khuey: with my patches? :-)
# [19:48] <khuey> check your patches in and we can do that
# [19:48] <Mossop> If you use tryserver, yes!
# [19:48] <hub> khuey: then you are gonna hunt me down for breaking it
# [19:48] <hub> Mossop: not ready for that yet
# [19:48] <hub> actually it is a combination of several patches
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# [19:49] <khuey> well it sounds like you still have more work to do then
# [19:49] <hub> :-D
# [19:50] <BenWa> jlebar: Have you had a change to work more on bug 705856?
# [19:51] <rail> espindola: hey. your new clang packages will remove the old one and change the prefix. just wanted to make sure that this is a desired behaviour.
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# [19:53] <imelven> ehsan: commented in the bug, i agree with your assessment
# [19:53] <ehsan> imelven: thanks
# [19:53] <imelven> np !
# [19:54] <ehsan> lsblakk|buildduty: regarding bug 706716, I had no idea that I'm still owning that machine!
# [19:54] <ehsan> can I continue to use it?
# [19:54] <jlebar> BenWa, Just need to land it. Am I right in that we're landing SPS changes directly in our repo, rather than upstream?
# [19:55] <BenWa> jlebar: We talked about a repo but we never created one. Were going directly on central
# [19:55] <jlebar> cool.
# [19:55] <BenWa> well inbound
# [19:55] <BenWa> jlebar: Part of the reason I haven't been pushing people to use it yet. I want to get all the platforms stabled too
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# [19:58] <espindola> rail, the new package will remove the old one?
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# [19:58] <espindola> no sure why, but yes, that is fine :-)
# [19:58] <espindola> the main thing is now having the name with a prefix
# [19:59] <espindola> well, suffix
# [19:59] <rail> espindola: yeah, package names are the same
# [19:59] <espindola> ah, that is fine
# [19:59] <rail> ok
# [19:59] <espindola> the next one is the one that should have a new package name so that both can exist
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# [19:59] <rail> the next one?
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# [20:00] <espindola> well, I am sure we will upgrade clang one day :-)
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# [20:18] <gavin> fabrice: where are WebApps.jsm and webapps.js being added?
# [20:19] <gavin> is there a main webapps tracking bug? having trouble following the patches here
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# [20:20] <fabrice> gavin: Webapps.jsm and webapps.js are loaded in bug 697006
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# [20:20] <fabrice> there's not really a tracking bug :(
# [20:20] <gavin> oh
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# [20:20] <gavin> I don't see webapps.jsm in that patch
# [20:21] <fabrice> gavin: Webapps.jsm itself is not in the patch from bug 697006, this has already landed in dom/base
# [20:22] <gavin> I see
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# [20:28] <gkw> we know pymake is faster than gmake on Windows, but is pymake faster than gmake on Linux and Mac ?
# [20:28] <gps> gkw: no
# [20:29] <gps> pyke is faster on Windows because it doesn't spawn as many new processes, which are much slower on Windows compared to *NIX
# [20:29] <gkw> so i'm guessing that's why pymake is not yet the default throughout
# [20:29] <gps> it does this because there is a backdoor in PyMake to execute commands as Python method calls, not as shell processes
# [20:30] <gps> it is doubtful that the overhead of Python/PyMake on UNIX would be significant for clobber or incremental builds
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# [20:31] <gps> at the time the build system doesn't do so much needless work, it might be visible
# [20:31] <gkw> i see
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# [20:32] <JonathanS> https://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/ This could be extremely useful for memory error detector, no?
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# [20:34] <gkw> JonathanS: there's a bug on the compile failure of Firefox using modified Clang for address sanitizer: bug 699520
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# [20:47] <smaug> Asa: have you used the tryserver builds? Any comments about the behavior?
# [20:48] <smaug> Asa: new builds http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/opettay@mozilla.com-40ef9f5015e5/ which should give quite a bit different behavior.
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# [20:57] <edmorley> bz: re your GC/CC newsgroup post, don't know if the 8->9 regression discussed in bug 702813 is what you are seeing?
# [20:59] <edmorley> bz: oh although I think you're talking about 9->10, so maybe not
# [20:59] <@bz> edmorley: I'm talking 9->10
# [20:59] <@bz> edmorley: at least as far as I can tell
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# [21:00] <edmorley> bz: yeah sorry, hadn't updated my mental map of non-nightly channels to versions since the last uplift
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# [21:01] <@bz> edmorley: well, the "as far as I can tell" is regarding the fact that fx9 is only ok as far as I can tell. ;)
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# [21:16] <mbrubeck> When my five-year-old sees TBPL on my monitor, she looks for orange and tells me if there are any without stars.
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# [21:16] <khuey> the force is strong in this one
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# [21:18] <stechz> child labor
# [21:18] <mbrubeck> hey, it's stechz!!
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# [21:18] <khuey> he's back from the dead
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# [21:22] <jlebar> What's the gecko equivalent of webidl's NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR?
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# [21:23] <khuey> NS_ERROR_DOM_NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR?
# [21:23] <mwu> jlebar: NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED ?
# [21:23] <mwu> or that
# [21:23] <jlebar> khuey, thanks. :)
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# [21:24] <philor> jlebar: is that you crashing on inbound, or should we try to pin it on releng?
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# [21:26] <jlebar> what does it mean when |B| crashes but a mochitest is green? |make check| is failing?
# [21:27] <jhammel> jlebar: usually yes
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# [21:27] <jlebar> so fix-linux-stack crashed?
# [21:27] <philor> but it seems tough to pin that on bear, despite the way I went right from the log to him talking about "this landed in production"
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# [21:28] * bear has very pin'able skin
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# [21:28] <jlebar> But it very well could be me.
# [21:28] <bear> my changes were all in the android/tegra space
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# [21:29] <bear> tho one bug did ridealong with my reconfig - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694332
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# [21:29] <jlebar> philor, we can back out and see if it goes green; that's fine with me.
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# [21:30] <philor> jlebar: sounds like a good plan
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# [21:31] <bernd> how long does a commit to try last?, I am looking since 4 min on "searching for changes"
# [21:32] <mbrubeck> bernd: It varies a lot; 4 minutes is not too unusual
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# [21:32] <mbrubeck> It's best not to interrupt it even if it goes a really long time (because it can cause DB issues on the server side) - let it time out instead
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# [21:32] <bernd> that was my second question thank you
# [21:32] <jlebar> damn, jeff pushed right after me, making it somewhat hard to back this out...
# [21:33] <jlebar> but luckly, he's orange on mac.
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# [21:33] <jlebar> jrmuizel, ^
# [21:33] <mbrubeck> jlebar: Actually, might want to back out jrmuizel too...
# [21:33] <mbrubeck> yeah
# [21:33] <philor> hg revert!
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# [21:33] <jlebar> let's wait a moment to see if my checkin somehow turns mac orange?
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# [21:34] <edmorley> philor: hg revert is so last week, mak's backout script ftw :-)
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# [21:34] <jrmuizel> hmmm
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# [21:35] <mak> edmorley: sfink also made an mq modified extension with a qbackout command
# [21:36] * @bz wonders how long until all of m-c is actually just the qrepo of some other repo
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# [21:39] <mak> hm, lots of Mac orange
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# [21:41] <jlebar> mak, yes, just waiting to see whether it shows up on my push.
# [21:41] <jlebar> Although that seems pretty unlikely.
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# [21:41] <jrmuizel> jlebar: I think it was me
# [21:43] <jlebar> jrmuizel, yeah. We should back us both out. You have a tree ready to do it?
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# [21:43] <jrmuizel> jlebar: I do not
# [21:44] <jlebar> jrmuizel, k, I got it.
# [21:44] <jrmuizel> I'd appreciate someone with better hg-fu to do it
# [21:44] <jrmuizel> jlebar: great thanks
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# [21:48] <humph> do we have the approved license header I need for new files somewhere?
# [21:48] <biesi> mozilla.org/MPL
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# [21:48] <biesi> humph, specifically, http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/boilerplate-1.1/
# [21:49] <humph> perfect, thanks
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# [21:50] <jlebar> sfink++ that qbackout script is great! It even puts bug numbers in the commit messages!
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# [21:50] <sfink> So did mak's script
# [21:50] <sfink> (which my extension is basically a port of)
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# [21:51] <mak> sfink: how confident are you in its functionality? would it be hard to cook up a separate extension just for it?
# [21:51] <sfink> in a conference, wait a minute
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# [21:51] <mak> oh sure
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# [22:06] <bent> anyone know what our story is with apache license now?
# [22:06] <bent> are we compatible?
# [22:06] <khuey> MPL 2 will save us!
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# [22:06] <khuey> but we're not compatible yet
# [22:06] * KWierso is holding out for mpl4
# [22:07] <khuey> KWierso: only 12 weeks later :-P
# [22:07] * jhammel is holding out for the X consortium license ;)
# [22:07] <KWierso> khuey: wait, our licenses are also on the rapid release cycle?
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# [22:11] <khuey> sheppy: end of day thursday is a bit late to be sending out wiki wednesday stuff
# [22:11] <sheppy> khuey: don't mess with me. :)
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# [22:12] <khuey> too late
# [22:12] <sheppy> Forgot just how antiquated the car buying process is.
# [22:12] <sheppy> Went out at 2 PM to buy a car and didn't get out of there until after 7:30.
# [22:12] <Ashe> It's normal
# [22:13] <Ashe> Having a car is a 20th century thing
# [22:13] <jhammel> sheppy: so 10x more efficient than the apartment renting process
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# [22:13] <khuey> heh
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# [22:20] <sfink> mak: the functionality uses the same backend function as 'hg backout' does, and I cowardly forbid merge backouts, so I *think* it ought to be fairly reliable. Or no worse than hg backout, anyway.
# [22:20] <mak> sfink: does it have some missing feature compared to my script? or more features?
# [22:20] <sfink> mak: and splitting out that extension would be very easy. I can do that no problem if you want it.
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# [22:21] <mak> sfink: I think that while many may not like having to replace their mq, a simple separate extension would be widely accepted. So may be interesting to have
# [22:21] <sfink> mak: I wrote up all the differences I could think of in that comment on your blog.
# [22:21] <sfink> "replace their mq"? I don't understand.
# [22:22] <mak> is not your extension a modification of mq?
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# [22:22] <mak> I did have the time to try it, yet, so sorry if I may have misunderstood its shape
# [22:22] <sfink> Oh. Well, sort of. It adds some new flags to some mq commands. It doesn't change any mq functionality.
# [22:22] <mak> I did no
# [22:23] <mak> but it's a patch to apply on top of mq, rather than a separate extension, right?
# [22:23] <sfink> No, it's a separate extension
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# [22:24] <sfink> I think you might have to list it after mq in your [extensions] section, I'm not sure
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# [22:25] <mak> I see. I still think it would be easier to have a standalone qbackout extension, but maybe I'm just too paranoid!
# [22:25] <sfink> But it has a bunch of additional stuff that few people would be interested in, so splitting out qbackout is still probably a good idea.
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# [22:26] <@bz> uh...
# [22:26] <sfink> Although it feels a little light by itself. qimportbz + bzexport + qbackout would be nice, but those other two are kind of scary individually
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# [22:26] <@bz> is it known that view-source line numbers are broken on aurora?
# [22:27] <mak> sfink: well the idea of extensions is that you can load just those you want ;)
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# [22:28] <sfink> mak: well, I have 20 extensions in my .hgrc, and they don't always play nice together, so that can be taken too far too :)
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# [22:29] <mak> I wonder if we may ship the extension with mozillla-build too, if it's simple enough
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# [22:29] <@bz> ah, yes it's sort of known. OK
# [22:29] <sfink> "at most one maintainer per extension" is probably a good rule, and that's enough of an argument for me to want to split it out. So I will.
# [22:30] <philor> jlebar: hmm, was that a good clean backout?
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# [22:31] <jhammel> lol
# [22:31] <lurking> haha
# [22:31] <jhammel> qdb? ;)
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# [22:32] <jlebar> hm...at least the commit messages are wrong.
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# [22:32] <jlebar> sfink, https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d445f83ecfb1 fingers the wrong commit.
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# [22:32] <sfink> heh. Sure it's reliable. Trust me, ok? :)
# [22:32] <mak> yeah I was about to tell the same, looks like it mis-associates changesets
# [22:33] <jlebar> also....it backed out something weird.
# [22:33] <jlebar> um.
# [22:33] <jlebar> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc9cc326cad0
# [22:33] <sfink> what does it backout?
# [22:34] <jlebar> sfink, in theory, my SPS commit and the three commits following.
# [22:34] <jlebar> 039231f through 5d920a44
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# [22:34] <jlebar> in actuality, dc9cc326 does not appear to be backing out any of those commits.
# [22:34] * @bz discovers the right way to update his nightly
# [22:36] <jlebar> hmmmm....
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# [22:37] * jlebar backs out the backouts, then re backs out.
# [22:37] <mak> looks like you found a bug, and now we have to survive philor saying us he was right :p
# [22:37] <mwu> impressive colors on m-i
# [22:37] <sfink> you ran without the -s option, I assume?
# [22:37] <jlebar> sfink, yes
# [22:38] <jlebar> sfink, hg qbackout -r 039231fd497f:5d920a44a901
# [22:38] <NeilAway> who wrote the Array.forEach replacement for older browsers?
# [22:40] <philor> nah, the thing I'm right about is the way backout -r 5022587c841f correctly puts the removed file back into js/xpconnect instead of js/src/xpconnect, but doesn't admit that it being there is a new thing from the backout, so I wasn't right about this unless it's a backout around a move
# [22:40] <@bz> gah
# [22:40] <@bz> why did we publish http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/12/faster-canvas-pixel-manipulation-with-typed-arrays/ ?
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# [22:42] <gavin> bz: what's wrong with ti?
# [22:43] <@bz> gavin: only works on little-endian hardware?
# [22:43] <gavin> ah
# [22:43] <derf> I was going to say... did we really expose machine endianness to web content?
# [22:44] <mak> I wonder why clicking on that link I got bz's email in the "Your e-mail" field....
# [22:44] <mak> poltergeist?
# [22:44] <@bz> derf: yep
# [22:44] <@bz> derf: typed arrays so do that
# [22:44] <@bz> mak: weird.....
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# [22:44] <mak> bz: srsly... I went looking for comments, and saw your email in the field...
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# [22:45] <mak> I'm sure I never entered your email in any field :)
# [22:45] <gavin> bad caching
# [22:45] <mak> well, sounds like a serious privacy problem...
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# [22:45] <@bz> mak: that's really really odd!
# [22:45] <derf> bz: Now if only we supported 64-bit ints so you could get a decent amount of SWAR parallelism.
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# [22:46] <@bz> mak: I mean in my case it's not like my email is a secret, but.....
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# [22:46] <mak> bz: well, it may have been
# [22:46] <@bz> mak: please report that to the hacks maintainers?
# [22:46] <@bz> mak: right
# [22:46] <gavin> you need to report it to server-ops
# [22:46] <@bz> mak: site does claim my e-mail won't be published and all
# [22:46] <gavin> their web-side caching thing does that all the time
# [22:46] <@bz> ah
# [22:46] <@bz> caching
# [22:47] <@bz> I can see that
# [22:47] <@bz> that's... busted
# [22:47] <@bz> if it's not looking at cookies
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# [22:47] <gavin> is the email address in a cookie, or just the result of a POST?
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# [22:47] <gavin> (after submitting your comment)
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# [22:48] <sfink> Ugh. 'hg backout -r 039231fd497f' says 'abort: cannot backout change on a different branch'. Seems to be related. I must be forcing qbackout to do it anyway.
# [22:49] <gavin> which hg are you using?
# [22:49] <gavin> I thought hg backout was a glorified export -r | patch -R now
# [22:49] <@bz> gavin: good question. Dunno
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# [22:49] <@bz> gavin: when I load the page with GET I see my name and email filled in....
# [22:49] <gavin> ah
# [22:49] <@bz> gavin: even with an end-to-end reload
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# [22:50] <@bz> gavin: and my cookies include cookies for that site with that information
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# [22:51] <mak> filed bug, cc-e bz and gavin
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# [22:51] <@bz> derf: but yeah, I expect that if typed array stuff takes off enough big-endian hardware will stop being able to use the web properly....
# [22:51] <@bz> derf: which is ... bad
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# [22:56] <roc> big endian hardware can still use the web
# [22:56] <roc> you just have to make all typed array accesses little-endian
# [22:56] <roc> so there's a performance hit
# [22:56] <jlebar> Is there a right way to write operator= in a base class?
# [22:56] <jlebar> operator= has to return a reference to typeof(this)&, so it doesn't seem to work...
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# [22:57] <roc> but seriously, what's the harm in encouraging every architecture to be little-endian? C compatibility issues probably force you down that path anyway
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# [22:58] <jlebar> roc, networks are big-endian. Maybe my platform doesn't like to convert from the network?
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# [22:58] <derf> jlebar: What roc is saying is no one cares about your platform.
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# [22:59] <roc> are people making big-endian processors to run network-intensive stuff?
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# [22:59] * jlebar has no idea; just saying that there's a conceivable downside, which seemed to answer your question.
# [23:00] <derf> The only reason there'd be "C compatibility issues" is if you don't test your C code on a big-endian platform.
# [23:00] <roc> I'm more interested in actual downsides than conceivable ones :-)
# [23:00] <derf> I.e., because you don't care.
# [23:00] <roc> because making typed arrays endian-agnostic would have an actual downside
# [23:00] <derf> I notice that none of our tier-1 platforms are big-endian.
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# [23:01] <roc> if you wanted to promote a big-endian architecture and you feel typed arrays are causing performance problems, you could just add little-endian load and store instructions
# [23:02] <@bz> roc: I think forcing typed arrays to be little-endian would actually violate the typed array spec
# [23:02] <roc> yeah?
# [23:02] <roc> why?
# [23:02] <@bz> roc: as far as I can tell
# [23:02] <@bz> roc: because the typed arrays are expected to be passable to webgl as-is
# [23:02] <@bz> roc: and webgl expects actual integers....
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# [23:03] <jdm> what is the point of an html element attribute that merely reflects a content attribute?
# [23:03] <@bz> roc: maybe with enough spec-lawyering it could be made to work
# [23:03] <jdm> specifically, defaultMuted in this case
# [23:03] <roc> that all needs to be fixed
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# [23:03] <@bz> jdm: brevity?
# [23:03] <jdm> bz: I don't follow.
# [23:03] <jdm> defaultMuted reflects muted, apparently
# [23:03] <jdm> I don't understand the purpose
# [23:04] <@bz> jdm: foo.defaultMuted vs foo.hasAttribute("muted")
# [23:04] <@bz> jdm: right?
# [23:04] <@bz> jdm: for the getter
# [23:04] <@bz> jdm: for the setter, compare |foo.defaultMuted = bool| to
# [23:05] <roc> derf: testing one's C code on a big-endian platform is kinda hard these days
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# [23:05] <@bz> jdm: if (bool) foo.setAttribute("muted") else foo.removeAttribute("muted")
# [23:05] <@bz> jdm: assuming this is a boolean attr and so forth, of course
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# [23:05] <jdm> bz: oh, that makes sense
# [23:05] <jdm> and yes, boolean
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# [23:06] <derf> roc: I know. We do it for Opus.
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# [23:06] <roc> that's good
# [23:06] <derf> I think it involves a VM.
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# [23:06] <roc> interesting
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# [23:08] <roc> I can't see it being worthwhile for most software developers ... setting up a farm of SPARC or PPC boxes or something (and porting to Linux or Solaris as necessary) just in case big-endian becomes important again one day
# [23:08] <jlebar> roc, ARM can be run in little or big-endian mode, right?
# [23:08] <roc> can it? OK
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# [23:08] <roc> that makes it easier,
# [23:09] * jlebar doesn't know at what level the endianness is decided -- is it in the OS, or per app, or per thread?
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# [23:09] <derf> Whole machine.
# [23:09] <derf> You need OS support for it.
# [23:09] <derf> And AFAIK, e.g., Android doesn't have a big-endian version.
# [23:09] <jlebar> per-thread endianness would be sick.
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# [23:10] <roc> "Some CPUs, such as many PowerPC processors intended for embedded use, allow per-page choice of endianness." hahaha
# [23:10] <derf> Actually, these Opus tests might be running on a real Solaris box.
# [23:10] <joduinn> ehsan: ping?
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# [23:11] <derf> It is amazing the things gmaxwell has in his basement.
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# [23:14] <rnewman> mild apologies for landing on a somewhat-orange inbound
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# [23:15] <Callek> rnewman: inbound doesn't need you to look first :-P
# [23:15] <Callek> at least anything beyond tree closure
# [23:15] <@bz> jlebar: on ARM it's more or less the equivalent of a BIOS option, iirc
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# [23:16] <rnewman> Callek: hence 'mild' :)
# [23:16] <@bz> jlebar: with OS support, you can pick at boot time how you want to fly
# [23:16] <rnewman> I still don't like landing on orange! :D
# [23:16] <derf> Actually, there is a SETEND instruction.
# [23:16] <rnewman> it's impolite to the sheriff :)
# [23:16] <derf> So you can just change it arbitrarily at runtime. It doesn't even look like it's privileged.
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# [23:16] <@bz> derf: on ARM?
# [23:17] <derf> ARMv6 or later.
# [23:17] <@bz> derf: hmm
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# [23:17] <@bz> derf: I wonder what attack opportunities this offers...
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# [23:17] <@bz> derf: does ARM have the sort of "some instructions are suffixes of others" thing that x86 does?
# [23:17] <derf> ARMv5 used to scramble your bytes for you if you tried to do an unaligned load.
# [23:17] <derf> bz: No. ARM is fixed-size instructions.
# [23:17] <@bz> ok
# [23:17] <derf> Well, except for Thumb.
# [23:18] <derf> But we'll ignore that.
# [23:18] <ehsan> joduinn: hi
# [23:18] <@bz> so it's not like you can trick a JIT into producing SETEND by accident on the executable heap
# [23:18] <@bz> good, good
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# [23:19] <derf> (and by scramble your bytes I mean it would still read a word-aligned value, but it would rotate the bytes in it by the amount in the two low-order bits of the address... which doesn't actually map to a change in endianness)
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# [23:22] <@dbaron> Mercurial 2.0.1 is released
# [23:22] <jlebar> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/WhatsNew
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# [23:24] <@dbaron> derf, though our ARM builds are thumb2, which isn't fixed-size, right?
# [23:25] <derf> dbaron: Yes.
# [23:26] <derf> But is our JIT'd code Thumb2?
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# [23:27] <tbsaunde> does anyone other than accessibility use the config.use_system_prefs pref? (bug 706983)
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# [23:28] <biesi> do we not use that for proxies anymore, at least on linux?
# [23:28] <biesi> hmm maybe that works differently
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# [23:30] <tbsaunde> biesi: I'm not sure, but I didn't see anything with ack-grep
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# [23:31] <tbsaunde> well, there appears to be a e4x test that includes it O.O
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# [23:32] <@bz> who's the right person to cc on bugs about async image decoding?
# [23:32] <joduinn> ehsan: sorry, now back.
# [23:32] <biesi> tbsaunde, wow, that one does surprise me
# [23:34] <joduinn> ehsan: in triage, we found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706716... but you just gave back mw32-ix-slave08
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# [23:34] <tbsaunde> biesi: yeah, I'm really not sure
# [23:34] <joduinn> ...see question from coop . let us know what you want here, ok ehsan ?
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# [23:51] <Tobbi> What can I do to prevent ./configure from using cl.exe as my compiler? IIRC, I do have a perfectly working c++.exe.
# [23:51] <gps> Tobbi: you want to use the MSVC toolchain: it is superior
# [23:51] <Tobbi> gps: How do I do that?
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# [23:52] <gps> you want it to use cl.exe not c++.exe
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# [23:52] <gps> is it not doing that?
# [23:53] <Tobbi> gps: It does, but during configure it tells me there was an error.
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# [23:53] <gps> can you pastebin your configure output?
# [23:55] <Tobbi> hold on.
# [23:55] <jwir3> is mail.mozilla.org slow for anyone else using thunderbird?
# [23:55] <gps> mail.mozilla.org is down right now
# [23:55] <jwir3> oh
# [23:55] <jwir3> well, that would explain it
# [23:55] <Tobbi> gps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1389963
# [23:55] <gavin> (also isn't it mail.mozilla.com?)
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# [23:55] <jwir3> s/what/that
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# [23:56] <Tobbi> hold on.
# [23:56] <gps> Tobbi: hmmm. can you also paste config.log?
# [23:57] <Tobbi> yup
# [23:57] * philor is now known as philor|away
# [23:57] <Tobbi> gps: Wait, it's program not found for cl.exe
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# [23:58] <Tobbi> I will reinstall MSVStudio.
# [23:58] <Tobbi> gps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1389965
# Session Close: Fri Dec 02 00:00:00 2011

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