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# Session Start: Fri Dec 02 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <gps> Tobbi: you are executing from inside your mozilla-build environment, right?
# [00:00] <Tobbi> gps, yeah.
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# [00:00] <gps> which start-msvc .bat script did you start? can you paste its output?
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# [00:01] <smaug> who is triaging FF9? bugs?
# [00:01] <smaug> Bug 699796 looks like possibly rather major regression
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# [00:01] <Tobbi> gps: I *think* I have a broken Visual Studio installation.
# [00:01] <Tobbi> I'm reinstalling right now, and will report back.
# [00:01] <smaug> and has been waiting for FF9+ for a month now
# [00:01] <smaug> Asa: ^^
# [00:01] <gps> Tobbi: good luck!
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# [00:02] <Tobbi> Wow, 3.6 GB...
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# [00:02] <Tobbi> (for compiler and tools only)
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# [00:03] <gps> we support building on Visual Studio Express
# [00:03] <gps> all you need is the toolchain and headers, not the full IDE
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# [00:03] <Tobbi> I see...
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# [00:08] <Asa> smaug: it's approved, no?
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# [00:09] <smaug> Asa: ah, sorry. Too many flags to track. :)
# [00:09] <smaug> I was just looking at tracking-firefox9: ?
# [00:10] <Asa> ahh.
# [00:10] <Asa> I am surprisingly unproductive without my email and calendar.
# [00:10] <Asa> it used to be only bugzilla being down could hurt me
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# [00:14] <@bz> Asa: you could use bugzilla without email
# [00:14] <@bz> Asa: ?
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# [00:15] <@bz> does hangmonitor.timeout == 0 mean "disabled"?
# [00:15] <BenWa> I goofed and build with objdir. Now it tells me to run 'make distclean' but it doesn't work on OSX. What command do I want?
# [00:15] <BenWa> built without an objdir*
# [00:16] <@bz> BenWa: rm -r and reclone?
# [00:16] * mbrubeck has tried polling a few bugs for changes, but it's not *quite* as efficient as notifications pushed to my inbox...
# [00:16] <@bz> BenWa: it's simpler than trying to do anything else...
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# [00:16] <@bz> BenWa: alternately, use hg stat to find and delete the offending files
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# [00:17] <njn> bent: I seemingly managed to get the sqlite connections and multi-reporter all working, miracle of miracles
# [00:17] <Callek> BenWa: my solution: |hg qnew crap| + |hg addremove| + |hg qref| + |hg qpop| + |hg qrm crap| + |echo rejoice|
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# [00:17] <bent> njn, \o/ ?
# [00:18] <Callek> BenWa: but i forget if the .hgignore crap makes that harder
# [00:18] <Callek> you might need to first prune hgignore :-)
# [00:18] <njn> bent: \o/!
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# [00:18] <njn> bent: though I should wait for sdwilsh's verdict before celebrating
# [00:18] <njn> bent: at least I can work on nicer stuff while waiting
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# [00:19] <bent> anything is nicer
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# [00:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/de720961a78d - Cameron McCormack - Bug 670857 - Make web console tests expect particular uncaught exceptions. r=msucan
# [00:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7fe6db51869d - Cameron McCormack - Bug 703176 - Ensure all browser chrome mochitests do fail when uncaught JS exceptions occur. (v1.1) r=jmaher
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# [00:23] <heycam> when I land on m-c, is the target milestone I want always the latest one (apart from "Future") in the dropdown?
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# [00:23] <@bz> heycam: it's the one right below '-----'
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# [00:23] <@bz> heycam: as in, focus the dropdown and hit down once
# [00:24] <dholbert> heycam, yeah, what bz said. (this is true on every day except for part-of-the-day on migration days)
# [00:24] <heycam> ok cool. I guess I was just confused since there's also Firefox 12 and Firefox 13 in there.
# [00:24] <dholbert> (that field's values get updated on migration day)
# [00:24] <heycam> and I didn't bother to check what we're up to at the moment :)
# [00:24] <dholbert> trunk is currently v 11
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# [00:25] <dholbert> yeah, it might be worth considering removing the larger values, since we don't so much use that field as "forward-looking target for when we'd like this to land", but rather as a hindsight "this is when this landed"
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# [00:30] <Asa> bz: true. I guess email's always been the lynchpin.
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# [00:34] <ehsan> joduinn: sorry, missed your ping. replied to coop|away's message
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# [00:39] <smaug> mounir: ping
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# [00:48] <njn> bz: how do I break on NS_ASSERTION in gdb?
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# [00:49] <dholbert> njn, XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK=suspend works, I think
# [00:50] <njn> dholbert: where do I type that?
# [00:50] <dholbert> njn, env variable
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# [00:50] <dholbert> njn before starting firefox
# [00:50] <njn> dholbert: k, thx
# [00:50] <njn> dholbert: that works, thanks!
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# [00:51] <dholbert> njn, hooray! np
# [00:51] <bnicholson> blassey: http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/birch/rev/b948417f8096#l1.20
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# [01:04] <smaug> is intranet.mozilla.org down?
# [01:04] <khuey> looks like it
# [01:05] * khuey mumbles something about zimbra using sync xhr
# [01:06] <smaug> it does do that?
# [01:06] <smaug> huh
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# [01:06] <smaug> no wonder 3.5% of XHR's done using Nightlies are sync
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# [01:07] <smaug> I think also some Google apps use sync XHR
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# [01:09] <khuey> smaug: sure looks like it
# [01:09] <khuey> zimbra is frozen doing a network request, nothing in the tab is responsive
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# [01:09] <khuey> the rest of firefox is fine
# [01:09] * khuey assumes that means sync xhr
# [01:09] <gavin> yeah I noticed those symptoms too
# [01:09] <gavin> zimbra just locks itself up completely sometimes
# [01:10] <hub> maybe we should get Groupwise... that way we can be super happy with Zimbra ;-)
# [01:10] <smaug> khuey: luckily our sync XHR doesn't actually block more than user input to the tab using sync xhr
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# [01:11] <khuey> yeah
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# [01:14] <bent> "luckily"
# [01:14] <bent> "stab my eyes out"
# [01:15] <dcamp> hub
# [01:15] <dcamp> I was happy to see you join Mozilla
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# [01:15] <dcamp> don't mention Groupwise and make me take that back.
# [01:15] <khuey> ha
# [01:15] <JonathanS> LLVM 3.0 released :)
# [01:16] <gps> is there some special configure or make argument to build the minidump tools? I don't really need to download a binary from https://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools/file/tip/breakpad/ do I?
# [01:16] <khuey> --enable-crashreporter should be enough, I think
# [01:16] <khuey> but ted would know for sure
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# [01:18] <hub> dcamp: see. we'll learn to love Zimbra :-D
# [01:18] <khuey> nah
# [01:18] <khuey> you'll learn to avoid zimbra
# [01:18] <JonathanS> khuey, it is like Blackboard :)
# [01:19] <khuey> oh god
# [01:19] <khuey> bad memories
# [01:19] <hub> that's why I use Thunderbird
# [01:19] <hub> that alleviate part of the pain
# [01:19] <hub> like the unmentionnable
# [01:19] <hub> dcamp: I used to call it Groupunwise :-)
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# [01:20] <hub> anyway
# [01:20] <JonathanS> khuey, They also bought Angel Learning System too
# [01:20] <dcamp> I mostly tried to avoid thinking about it. Which worked until about 8 minutes ago.
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# [01:20] <khuey> dbaron: thanks for giving that another pass
# [01:21] <NeilAway> jlebar: surely operator= doesn't inherit anyway...
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# [01:25] <@dbaron> khuey, sure, sorry for the delay
# [01:25] <khuey> no worries
# [01:26] <NeilAway> dcamp: what about Groupwise?
# [01:26] <hub> NeilAway: the only thing worse is Blaotus Notes
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# [01:36] * rs once wrote a groupwise email migrator way back when
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# [01:37] <lurking> khuey: do you know if the issues with zimbra, and the intranet stuff also may be affecting test-pilot user-studies on 10.0a1 beta ?
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# [01:38] <khuey> uh
# [01:38] <khuey> I have no idea
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# [01:38] <gavin> do test pilot user studies rely on mail.mozilla.com?
# [01:38] <gavin> seems unlikely! :)
# [01:38] <khuey> well, various other things are down
# [01:38] <khuey> one may extrapolate to suspect that something they do rely on is down
# [01:38] <gavin> seems unliekly to be related to the zimbra issues
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# [01:39] <gavin> http://status.mozilla.com/ looks pretty good
# [01:39] <lurking> someone was complaining in the #firefox channel about submissions were spinning endlessly - he's since left
# [01:39] <gavin> what's "the intranet stuff"?
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# [01:40] <khuey> intranet.mozilla.org is gone
# [01:40] <lurking> no idea smaung was asking earlier
# [01:41] <lurking> smaug> is intranet.mozilla.org down?
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# [01:41] <fabrice> khuey: looks like a dns issue
# [01:42] <khuey> yep
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# [01:45] <@dbaron> Is there a working profiler on 64-bit Linux that provides accurate call stack data?
# [01:45] <gavin> dbaron: have you tried zoom?
# [01:45] <@dbaron> gavin, no. Is there a rule that profilers for Linux have to be un-Googleable?
# [01:45] <gavin> heh
# [01:47] <@dbaron> (I've tried perf and callgrind. perf doesn't give accurate stack data; callgrind sort of works but the UI (kcachegrind) is a pain and it's very slow.)
# [01:47] <gavin> I have very limited experience but zoom seems nice
# [01:47] <gavin> not free though
# [01:49] <hub> callgrind is very slow
# [01:49] <JonathanS> it seems Google like to do reivent the wheel.
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# [01:50] <hub> dbaron: http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/about/
# [01:51] <hub> dbaron: but it needs a kernel module for it
# [01:52] <hub> dbaron: there is a package for it in F16
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# [02:01] <ted> gps: we do not build minidump_stackwalk as part of the build
# [02:01] <ted> you can grab a binary from that repo or you can grab breakpad from svn and build it
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# [02:20] <lurking> orange on m-c OTH Linux - the push for 703176 ?
# [02:21] <heycam> lurking, could be, looking
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# [02:22] <philor> only 85 more unexpected exceptions crept in since last night? :)
# [02:22] <heycam> I'll back out ;)
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# [02:23] <philor> oh, 83, the other two rode along
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# [02:24] <heycam> what's the magic command? `hg backout 7fe6db51869d de720961a78d`?
# [02:24] <@bz> um
# [02:24] <@bz> is bzexport broken _again_ ?
# [02:24] <@bz> Error: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
# [02:24] <@bz> Error sending patch: No JSON object could be decoded
# [02:24] <Ameya> Anybody knows which part of firefox code handles extensions....I mean installation, execution..
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# [02:25] <heycam> bz, sounds like bzapi broken
# [02:25] <@bz> heycam: yeah
# [02:25] <@bz> heycam: well, it effing worked yesterday!
# [02:25] <Ameya> hello......
# [02:25] <@bz> heycam: did we make more bugzilla changes since then?
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# [02:25] <Ameya> plz tell....
# [02:25] * heycam doesn't know
# [02:26] <@bz> ameya: we saw the question. It's kinda broad and the people who would best be able to answer don't seem to be around
# [02:26] <khuey> Ameya: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/
# [02:26] <Ameya> ok
# [02:26] <khuey> is the place to start
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# [02:27] <Ameya> ok...thnks.
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# [02:27] <Ameya> bcoz I want to monitor addons behavior.....I which addon uses which service
# [02:28] <@bz> that's not managed centrally
# [02:28] <biesi> "execution" is tricky because they really get executed the same as normal browser code
# [02:28] <@bz> addons just go through the addons manager
# [02:28] <@bz> er, service manager
# [02:28] <@bz> to get services
# [02:28] <@bz> just like all other service consumers
# [02:29] <@bz> hmm
# [02:29] <@bz> now it worked
# [02:29] <@bz> very slowly
# [02:29] <@bz> super-slowly
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# [02:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c101c5f8c928 - Cameron McCormack - Backout bug 670857, bug 703176
# [02:30] <Ameya> Yup...thats the problem. I am thinking to add flag in jsdbgapi.h" flags such as JSFILENAME_NULL=0xffffffff ,JSFILENAME_SYSTEM=0x00000001 to recognize extension script from browser script...
# [02:31] <Ameya> Is it worth doing?
# [02:32] <Ameya> Actually I want to avoid extensions to track history, cookies in private browsing....
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# [02:33] <Ameya> So I need to monitor their working ......when addon does such thing I should prompt msg that xyz addon is accessing private data.
# [02:34] <Ameya> For that ...I need to make patch which will monitor addons...
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# [02:36] <bsmith> Re: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=8576199c846c
# [02:36] <bsmith> Why aren't all the tests showing up (e.g. M2 M4 M5 Moth)
# [02:37] <Ameya> Anybody has view on it??
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# [02:43] <biesi> Ameya, well you could check the filenjame prefix
# [02:43] <biesi> if it starts with chrome://yourextension...
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# [02:44] <Ameya> ok
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# [02:47] <Unfocused> ChromeManifestParser.jsm may be of interest to you (it's new in Aurora)
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# [02:51] <Ameya> Ya...but that means I will into addons code[menifest file].....but how to relate this when addon makes a call to a service?
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# [02:51] <Ameya> sorry ...I will "look" into
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# [02:57] <njn> philor: ping
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# [02:59] <philor> njn: pong
# [02:59] <njn> philor: any idea what this android try bustage is about? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7692436&tree=Try&full=1
# [02:59] <njn> doesn't look like it's my fault
# [03:01] <philor> Android %(branch)s build
# [03:01] <philor> sigh
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# [03:01] <njn> sounds like a known problem?
# [03:02] <philor> I'm not sure that bit is, but in general, "Android XUL" is the thing that works and we've had and known all along, and "Android" is the thing that was added utterly prematurely, that will start to work next Tuesday, in the "jam tomorrow" sense of next Tuesday
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# [03:03] <philor> so yeah, absolutely none of that is your problem or your fault, it's failing just like it ought to fail
# [03:04] <njn> philor: oh right, I failed to notice the XUL/non-XUL distinction
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# [03:57] <Ameya> where can I get documentation abt firefox code??
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# [04:00] <Callek> Ameya: developer.mozilla.org
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# [04:10] <Ameya> Ok fine. can you tell me flow of data in "toolkit/mozapps/extensions" ...I mean which is main file?
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# [04:10] <Unfocused> i love when i land a patch that's all JS, and the C++ compiler decides to throw an error
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# [04:11] <Unfocused> Ameya: the extension manager lives there, and it doesn't actually load any extension code (well, except for restartless extensions)
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# [04:12] <Unfocused> it writes out extensions.ini, which loaded elsewhere (i forget where) on startup - it points to directories that contain chrome.manifest files that are parsed, and extension code is loaded from there
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# [04:13] <Ameya> Ok....but
# [04:13] <Ameya> How extensions work.....I mean if I write "var cookieMgr = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/cookiemanager;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsICookieManager); "
# [04:13] <Unfocused> however, for restartless extensions, see https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm#1678
# [04:14] <Ameya> Where this request go?....who handles it?
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# [04:15] <Unfocused> yea, code firefox code does *exactly* the same to use the cookie manager. it's done via XPCOM - look somewhere in /xpcom/ (i think, i don't really know that code)
# [04:15] <Unfocused> you'd need to change xpcom so you can look at the call stack, and trace back where the caller came from
# [04:16] <Unfocused> whether it be core firefox code, or a file belonging to an addon
# [04:16] <Ameya> Exactly....
# [04:16] <Ameya> I am creating firefox patch where I need to monitor addon if it tries to access/track user specific data such as history or cookie in private browsing.
# [04:16] <Ameya> In case if any addon is doing that then browser should give prompt msg that [ ex. abc addon ] addon is accessing history/cookie.
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# [04:17] <Ameya> Is it possible....?I am trying it.
# [04:17] <Unfocused> maybe
# [04:17] <Unfocused> i don't know enough about xpcom
# [04:18] <Ameya> Whom should I ask?
# [04:18] <Unfocused> but toolkit/mozapps/extensions is, for the most part, a red herring, and not relevant (that's the extension manager, which i do know about)
# [04:18] <Unfocused> hm, i think bz knows how xpcom does its magic
# [04:20] <Unfocused> er, dbaron would probably be the better person to ask
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# [04:22] <Ameya> are they here?
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# [04:24] <Unfocused> not right now; they usually are
# [04:24] <dolske> I think what you're trying to do is a fundamentally hard (if not impossible) task, and no one is going to have easy answers for you.
# [04:25] <Ameya> Where does cookie manager lives in mozilla/ xpcom/ ???
# [04:25] <dolske> Ameya: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
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# [04:26] <Ameya> Yes...Correct. I am expecting a way...
# [04:26] <Ameya> I am just learning how extension's workflow....
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# [04:27] <Ameya> How requests are handled....& where..
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# [04:28] <dolske> Ameya: to be more blunt, this problem is very likely beyond your experience level.
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# [04:28] <dolske> I'd suggest working on something simpler first.
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# [04:28] <Ameya> Ok..I have 5 months..for it.
# [04:29] <Ameya> For that I am creating sample XPCOM component ....& try to include in firefox. Then move to this one
# [04:30] <Unfocused> 5 months may not be enough :)
# [04:30] <Ameya> Hehee...... I have to do. its my project.
# [04:31] <Ameya> Its better if you give some guidance....
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# [04:34] <Ameya> What do you say...?
# [04:35] <Unfocused> i say i just don't know enough to be of any more help, sorry
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# [04:36] <Ameya> @dolske??
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# [04:41] <dholbert> Ameya, note that it's evening-time in Mountain View (where the largest concentration of Mozilla developers are). You may have better luck if you try back tomorrow 4-5 hours earlier
# [04:43] <Ameya> Ok....
# [04:43] <Ameya> Actually I am from india....thnks for this info..
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# [04:58] <rnewman> we're building up quite a queue on Inbound, last merged on Tuesday
# [04:58] <rnewman> any opposition to me merging?
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# [05:01] <rnewman> ugh, on consideration I don't think I have the time to touch all of those bugs
# [05:01] <rnewman> the one downside of Inbound
# [05:01] <rnewman> oh, Android Sync
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# [05:02] <nigelb> You're still crying about that?
# [05:04] <philor> rnewman: on _Tuesday_? last merge was 11am today
# [05:04] <rnewman> heh
# [05:04] <rnewman> `hg in` on m-c shows a looong list
# [05:04] <philor> I'd agree that 9 hours is a while, but it's not two days
# [05:04] <rnewman> perhaps my m-c checkout is less new than I thought it was!
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# [05:05] <rnewman> ah, so it is
# [05:05] <nigelb> heh
# [05:05] <rnewman> darn my array of scripts for keeping these various trees shipshape
# [05:05] <njn> anyone know about |mXULTreeRules|?
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# [05:05] <nigelb> *warn
# [05:06] <rnewman> nigelb: it should
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# [05:25] <Unfocused> hm, how do i force a clobber on fx-team?
# [05:25] * Unfocused forgets
# [05:26] <philor> https://build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
# [05:26] <philor> start loading it, go make dinner
# [05:26] <Unfocused> ah yes, thats why i forced it from my brain
# [05:26] <philor> click the box to the left of the first group of mac builders, go eat dinner
# [05:26] <Unfocused> thanks
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# [05:30] <rnewman> philor: if I clobbered a lot, I think I'd be overweight
# [05:31] <philor> does seem to work that way
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# [06:30] <bsmith> taras: how can I find out how to read a telemetry histogram?
# [06:30] <bsmith> taras: i.e. I want to understand exactly what https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701909#c2 means
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# [06:35] <dolske> I wonder if we should clean up the telemetry api/formats at some point.
# [06:36] <dolske> I fear no one (else) fully understands them.
# [06:36] * dolske blames the chromium code they're based on
# [06:36] <dolske> ;)
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# [06:46] <Unfocused> anyone around to do a quick review of a test fix?
# [06:47] <Unfocused> dolske maybe?
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# [06:52] <dolske> r+
# [06:53] <Unfocused> dolske: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=527141&attachment=578493 if you wanna look at it
# [06:54] <heycam> did the triangle on the back button get lighter recently?
# [06:54] <heycam> I seem to have trouble telling whether it is enabled or not lately!
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# [07:00] <KWierso> heycam: what OS are you running? looks normal here on win7
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# [07:00] <heycam> osx
# [07:00] <heycam> i wonder if it's different in the lion theme, since i upgraded the other day...
# [07:01] <mbrubeck> heycam: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679708
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# [07:02] <heycam> mbrubeck, aha! my keen eyes were right then. ;)
# [07:02] <mbrubeck> shorlander says in the bug "The push towards less contrasty icons in Lion makes the available range for disabled more narrow."
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# [07:03] <heycam> yeah, can't say I like all of the ui changes (e.g. in finder sidebar) that lion brought
# [07:03] <dolske> Unfocused: done
# [07:04] <Unfocused> dolske: ty! may beer and bacon rain down apon you
# [07:04] <dolske> OS X 10.8 will use a single shade of gray for everything. EVERYTHING.
# [07:05] <BenWa> haha
# [07:05] <BenWa> they will revert back to 0-bit displays
# [07:06] <heycam> but at least then all apps will coordinate with anything i happen to wear
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# [07:08] <Unfocused> glob: are you the one doing the bugzilla maintenance over the weekend?
# [07:09] <glob> Unfocused, yes
# [07:09] * dolske pushes flood of bacon and beer over to glob.
# [07:09] <glob> :)
# [07:09] <Unfocused> any chance future bugzilla downtime could be scheduled for the saturday (mountain view time)?
# [07:09] <glob> we only need the outage as there's a schema change
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# [07:10] <Unfocused> cos the sunday downtimes are in the middle of the work day for us :\
# [07:11] <glob> Unfocused, ah, oops; forgot about :( sorry.
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# [07:11] <Unfocused> timezones are fun!
# [07:11] <glob> yeah, sunday night pst is monday morning for me, so it's somewhat appealing
# [07:12] <Unfocused> its ok - sunday (MVT) has been the traditional downtime day, i think. i keep meaning to bug someone about it
# [07:12] * Unfocused nods
# [07:12] <glob> for what it's worth i'm not expecting the download to take 30 mins
# [07:12] <Unfocused> ah, ok
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# [07:13] <glob> *downtime (obviously)
# [07:14] <Unfocused> heh, my brain auto-corrected that
# [07:15] <glob> the next outage will be significantly longer, i've made a note to try to schedule them for saturday pst
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# [07:16] <Unfocused> :)
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# [07:49] <hsivonen> \o/ prompted update from 3.6 to 8.0.1!
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# [08:00] <wolfiR> hi, where I can find the code which fires DOM load events?
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# [08:01] <Callek> nsIDOMEventHandler [from memory]
# [08:02] <jdm> wolfiR: probably nsDocShell
# [08:02] <Callek> looks like I was wrong btw
# [08:03] <jdm> hmm, I think I'm wrong too
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# [08:03] <jdm> but I'm on the right track
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# [08:04] <Unfocused> Callek was more wrong
# [08:05] <Callek> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/events/src/nsEventStateManager.h is what I was thinking of (but its not specific enough either)
# [08:05] <jdm> wolfiR: nsDocument::DispatchContentLoadedEvents looks helpful
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# [08:06] <wolfiR> bzbarsky was asking me for a callstack which triggers a certain load event ; any hints how to get that?
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# [08:09] <jdm> wolfiR: the callstack at DispatchContentLoadedEvents might be worth a shot
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# [08:20] <wolfiR> jdm: hmm, that's only fired once but for a XUL event apparently in that case
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# [08:20] <jdm> how peculiar
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# [08:20] <wolfiR> jdm: anyway, I'll just ask in the bug how I could do it
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# [08:22] <jdm> deLta30: just so you know, nobody will think less of you if you give up on bug 697781 :)
# [08:22] <jdm> it's less clear-cut than it appeared at first
# [08:23] <deLta30> jdm: its not that, its just i was stuck in school exams for last couple of weeks
# [08:24] <jdm> deLta30: that's a good reason as well :)
# [08:24] <jdm> mine are just about to start
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# [08:24] <deLta30> jdm: yeah, :)
# [08:25] <deLta30> jdm: mine just got over and now i can concentrate on the bugs. Best of luck for your exams
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# [08:36] <dolske> wolfiR: depends if the event is dispatched asynch or not. if it's synchronous, just break in your event handler.
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# [08:52] <wolfiR> dolske: my event handler is a website; how to break there?
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# [08:54] <wolfiR> dolske: this is about bug 706988
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# [09:11] <Jesse> taras: i had a terrible pause on windows. alt+clicked a file to download. download manager popped up. when i clicked the browser window to put focus back where i wanted it, it took 5 seconds to switch back.
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# [09:18] <Callek> Jesse: were you using a build that had #ifdef JESSE while(now()<old_now()+5 seconds){}
# [09:19] <Yoric> 'morning
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# [09:45] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:46] <smaug> huomenta
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# [09:47] <smaug> what is causing statse.webtrendslive.com : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555
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# [09:47] <smaug> I have only bugzilla, hg.mozilla.org tbpl open, I think
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# [10:04] <Jesse> smaug: does about:memory?verbose help figure out what else is openish?
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# [10:06] <smaug> sure
# [10:06] <smaug> I wish we had jst's patch for orphan nodes in the tree
# [10:07] <Jesse> would that help solve the statse.webtrendslive.com mystery?
# [10:08] <smaug> ah, you mean that
# [10:08] <Callek> smaug: just write code for a node adoption agency, and then charge other browsers lots of cpu/ram to adopt our nodes
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# [10:08] <Callek> we'll beat chrome that way, "see look how much cpu chrome has to use"
# [10:08] <smaug> Jesse: I got lots of those messages when I started browser
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# [10:13] <hadoop> Anybody know how to trace a caller of cookie manager..?
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# [10:21] <protz> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/speed/ why does that page tell me to upgrade my firefox to version 8 even though I'm running 9 ?
# [10:22] <protz> I don't even understand if the bottom is line "I'm too slow I should upgrade" or if it's something else
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# [10:28] <NeilAway> smaug: look at the bottom of the source of a bugzilla page...
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# [10:29] <smaug> huh
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# [10:29] <smaug> why does bugzilla link to some other website
# [10:30] <Jesse> protz: either getFirefoxVersion (view source on that page) is buggy, or your UA is wacky
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# [10:31] <Jesse> protz: i'm using nightly (11) and it's happy with my version
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# [10:34] <Jesse> protz: imo using a beta or newer should break the speedometer and say "thanks for helping us bring the latest speed improvements to hundreds of millions of awesome people"
# [10:35] <protz> Jesse: hum, okay, I don't have anything specific in my user/agent
# [10:35] <protz> it's weird that it should still offer me to upgrade even though the text reads "Now we’re talking!
# [10:35] <protz> Feels better, doesn’t it? Welcome to the future of the Web. It’s nice here.
# [10:35] <protz> "
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# [10:36] <Jesse> protz: oh, i get that text too
# [10:37] <protz> well the text implies that I'm on the latest version, but the big green button implies I *should* update ; I find it confusing :)
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# [10:38] <Jesse> i agree, can you file a bug?
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# [10:51] <darktrojan> wow that speed page really seems like BS
# [10:51] <hadoop> Anybody know how to trace a caller of cookie manager..?
# [10:53] <hadoop> when we write # var cookieMgr = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/cookiemanager;1"] .getService(Components.interfaces.nsICookieManager);
# [10:53] <hadoop> Is it possible to find out who has called this...I mean browser's own script or any extension script...?
# [10:53] <hadoop>
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# [10:59] <NeilAway> hadoop: it's technically possible, but the only way I know how to do it is to break into the debugger and call DumpJSStack() ;-)
# [10:59] <Unfocused> "download firefox"
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# [10:59] <nigelb> Unfocused: heh
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# [11:01] <RemusPop> hello everyone
# [11:01] <RemusPop> is there any variable change when the pageshow event triggers?
# [11:02] <RemusPop> I'm looking to a way to know when the page loaded after navigating back or forward
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# [11:05] <Unfocused> RemusPop: i don't think so
# [11:05] <RemusPop> so one way would be to add an event listener?
# [11:05] <Unfocused> you have to track it yourself
# [11:05] <Unfocused> yep
# [11:06] <hadoop> NeilAway: means??
# [11:06] <Jesse> darktrojan: yeah. i had my hopes up, i thought it was a thing that detected unusually bad perf somehow.
# [11:06] * Unfocused too
# [11:06] <hadoop> its not possible ..right??
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# [11:06] <RemusPop> I was hoping to get away easily with that :) thanks guys; if you have any other idea, I'm here
# [11:06] <Jesse> darktrojan: wasn't it just last month that we were complaining about the fake tests on http://yourbrowsermatters.org/ ?
# [11:06] <hadoop> Unfocused: What do you say?
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# [11:07] <Unfocused> hadoop: i say you've already asked me this
# [11:07] <hadoop> Yes..
# [11:07] <darktrojan> Jesse, you might've been, it wasn't me
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# [11:08] <gcp> fuuu
# [11:09] <darktrojan> that does look like a fun website though Jesse
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# [11:11] <deLta30> I am having this error while compiling: /home/jiten/mozilla/src/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSCallbacks.cpp:79:21: fatal error: sslimpl.h: No such file or directory
# [11:11] <deLta30> I have tried to add sslimpl.h to local includes in make file in src/security/manager/ssl/src but that won't work either
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# [11:14] <gcp> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=4be41994deb7
# [11:14] <gcp> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=37d5b689c35f
# [11:14] <gcp> I accidentally got a PRBool when I backed out an old patch. Why didn't that blow up on try?
# [11:14] <NeilAway> because they're mostly compatible
# [11:15] <gcp> the patches are identical
# [11:16] <gcp> should I back out at once or just make a small PRBool->bool fix onto incoming?
# [11:18] <darktrojan> check to see if the sheriffs are watching, then fix it ;-)
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# [11:25] <gcp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32496746/fix-bustage.diff anyone wanna r+ quickly? :P
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# [11:29] <deLta30> can anybody tell me reason of this error? /home/jiten/mozilla/src/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSCallbacks.cpp:79:21: fatal error: sslimpl.h: No such file or directory
# [11:29] <deLta30> I have tried to add sslimpl.h to local includes in make file in src/security/manager/ssl/src but that won't work either
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# [11:33] <NeilAway> gcp: side note: prefer pastebin.mozilla.org
# [11:33] <NeilAway> deLta30: where does that .h file normally live?
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# [11:41] <darktrojan> microsoft are still making horrible software after all these years
# [11:42] <jez> oh well, dont dispair
# [11:42] <mounir> smaug: pong
# [11:42] <jez> once the UX team are through with Firefox, it will rival Microsoft's
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# [11:42] <jez> when's the name change to Asafox happening, by the way?
# [11:43] <Unfocused> darktrojan: to be fair, so are nearly all other software vendors ;)
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# [11:43] <darktrojan> most other vendors don't have the resources microsoft do
# [11:43] <darktrojan> but yes you're right :(
# [11:44] <darktrojan> 140MB just to download VC2010 express
# [11:44] <deLta30> NeilAway: /security/nss/lib/ssl/sslimpl.h
# [11:45] <darktrojan> pretty sure most of that is never going to be used
# [11:45] <jez> actually i tell a slight lie; MS still tend to go with colourful icons. As if people had colour monitors, amazingly.
# [11:45] <jez> so Firefox can actually manage to *beat* them there!
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# [11:46] <darktrojan> jez, you know that at least two of us currently here are UXers, don't you
# [11:46] <jez> and you know how you treat constructive criticism and why that might irritate people.
# [11:46] <jez> as well as not giving a damn unless "most users" (by your definition) think it
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# [12:16] <glandium> does anyone else have problems with mercurial when pushing on hg.mozilla.org ? Here, it pushes successfully, but the output is stuck on "searching for changes"
# [12:17] <Unfocused> glandium: Try, or another tree?
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# [12:17] <mak> glandium: I just pushed to central, no problem
# [12:17] <glandium> Unfocused: i only pushed on try and inbound recently, and it happened on both
# [12:18] <glandium> i'm using mercurial 2.0, if that matters
# [12:18] <mak> now merging to inbound, will let you know
# [12:18] <Unfocused> its expected on Try, not other trees though
# [12:18] <mak> I am also using hg 2.0
# [12:18] * Unfocused too
# [12:18] <Unfocused> and i had no trouble pushing to fx-team twice earlier
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# [12:20] <nigelb> Is there an easy way to count the number of entries that result from ctrl + F
# [12:20] <nigelb> I'm tried of using chrome for this :)
# [12:20] <mak> glandium: no problem on inbound, as well
# [12:20] <glandium> i wonder if that has to do with my ssh settings
# [12:20] <Yoric> nigelb: depends, are you willing to code this? :)
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# [12:21] <nigelb> Yoric: Yep!
# [12:21] <Yoric> More seriously, if you use highlight mode, iirc, it gives a style to all occurrences, so you should be able trivially script that count.
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# [12:22] <Yoric> Speaking of which, could I convince you to improve that stuff? :)
# [12:22] <nigelb> highlight mode?
# [12:22] <Yoric> "Highlight all"
# [12:22] <Unfocused> theres probably an addon aleady for that
# [12:22] <nigelb> If you are willing to help, YES.
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# [12:24] <nigelb> Unfocused: Phew, temporary relief! :)
# [12:24] <nigelb> ehsan++
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# [14:14] <NeilAway> deLta30: sorry, wasn't watching this PC... that header is unlikely to be useful to you outside of its folder
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# [14:22] <Ms2ger> You broke content/ba<tab> :(
# [14:22] <Ms2ger> dom/ba, that is
# [14:23] <mounir> Ms2ger: I have to say I hate that too :(
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# [14:30] <mounir> Ms2ger: but I kind of easily hate myself :)
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> You're French? :)
# [14:30] <mounir> Ms2ger: how did you find? :)
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> Maaagic
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# [14:42] <Ms2ger> glibconfig.h seems to have got lost in this upgrade...
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# [14:59] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: ?
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp#2819
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> What's the point in having the scx and cx locals?
# [15:01] <paul> heycam|away: ping?
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# [15:03] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: Null checking for state, I guess.
# [15:03] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: I don't know if they can actually be null there, though.
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> For reference: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/b76830e74ac4/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp#l1.793
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# [15:04] <deLta30> can anybody tell me reason of this error? /home/jiten/mozilla/src/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSCallbacks.cpp:79:21: fatal error: sslimpl.h: No such file or directory
# [15:04] <deLta30> I have tried to add sslimpl.h to local includes in make file in src/security/manager/ssl/src but that won't work either
# [15:04] <Ms2ger> Show the code please
# [15:05] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 704737?
# [15:05] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704737 nor, --, mozilla11, bmcbride, RESO FIXED, browser_select_update.js has OVER 9000 timeouts requested. May be slight overkill.
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# [15:07] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: Yeah. It was a mistake on my part, but I think the null check is still needed.
# [15:07] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: the mistake being that I clearly didn't see that check or those members.
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# [15:07] <Ms2ger> OK
# [15:07] <mrbkap> s/members/variables/
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# [15:27] <mak> Ms2ger: do you live in Germany?
# [15:27] <Ms2ger> Perhaps? :)
# [15:28] <mak> well, then you can go knocking at his door :)
# [15:28] <mak> btw, if it was for the orange he just pushed a followup
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> Probably more efficient than getting him on IRC :)
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# [15:29] <mak> no comment ;)
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# [15:30] <Ms2ger> And yes, it was for the orange
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# [15:34] <NeilAway> aargh, stupid asserts that popup up when I want to type the letter 'a'
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> ../../dist/system_wrappers/glibconfig.h:3:29: fatal error: glibconfig.h: No such file or directory
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# [15:47] <mounir> we can't return a jsval? :(
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# [15:51] <Ms2ger> Not with quickstubs
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# [15:58] <mounir> how to convert JSString* to nsAutoString?
# [15:58] <Pike> you don't want to return and nsAutoString either, fwiw
# [15:58] <mounir> Pike: i will return a jsval, but I have a jsval argument which can be a string
# [15:59] <mounir> all of that because our idl parser doesn't know about method overloading :(
# [15:59] <khuey> nsDependentJSString
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# [16:05] <mounir> khuey: thanks :)
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# [16:06] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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# [16:06] <Ms2ger> Can't you do the reflectUnsignedInt patch?
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# [16:07] <mounir> Ms2ger: you mean the review?
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [16:07] <mounir> Ms2ger: I had no time when I saw the patch being attached
# [16:07] <mounir> feel free to assign it to me
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# [16:07] <mounir> I will try to do that if I find some time
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# [16:09] <khuey> I wish I understood css
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# [16:13] <khuey> oh, ok
# [16:13] <khuey> this isn't me failing to understand css
# [16:13] <khuey> this code actually has a bug
# [16:13] <khuey> lovely
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# [16:16] <mcmanus> anyone know how I figure out the last changeset that went into the latest nightly?
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# [16:18] <khuey> about:buildconfig
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# [16:18] <khuey> assuming you're running the latest nightly
# [16:19] <khuey> otherwise, ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/firefox-11.0a1.en-US.linux-i686.txt
# [16:21] <mcmanus> khuey - thank you!
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# [16:26] <Ms2ger> bz quoting TR/? What's the world coming to...
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# [16:28] <mounir> Ms2ger: tr/?
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> w3.org/TR/
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# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Stands for "trash"
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# [16:40] <Wes_> no, you're thinking of TRS
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# [16:47] <Enn> Ms2ger: is it a goal to merge all of the nsIDOMNS* interfaces or just some of them?
# [16:47] <Ms2ger> All of them
# [16:47] <Enn> great
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> Speaking of which, I should file a bug for my nsIDOMNSElement patch
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# [16:53] <firebot> dbaron was last seen 15 hours, 5 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying '(I've tried perf and callgrind. perf doesn't give accurate stack data; callgrind sort of works but the UI (kcachegrind) is a pain and it's very slow.)' in #developers.
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# [16:53] <firebot> bz was last seen 14 hours, 23 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying 'super-slowly' in #developers.
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# [16:55] <Ms2ger> Dear gmail: I'm not going to give you my phone number. Thanks.
# [16:56] <nigelb> heh
# [16:57] <davidb> Is https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Core still autogenerated?
# [16:57] <Ms2ger> Never been
# [16:57] <davidb> Ms2ger: well then.
# [16:57] <davidb> Ms2ger: is there any reason to use despot anymore for ownership/peer mods?
# [16:57] <bsmedberg> no, we stopped using despot a fair bit ago
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# [16:58] <davidb> bsmedberg: well then. thanks!
# [16:58] <davidb> surkov: ^ (don't worry about despot)
# [16:58] <bsmedberg> it's still hooked up to CVS permissions, but that only really affects NSS/NSPR and not much even then
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# [16:58] <davidb> w/s
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# [17:02] <mak> uh spdy landed
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# [17:03] <khuey> roc: around?
# [17:03] * khuey is going to guess not
# [17:03] <NeilAway> khuey: do you know anything about the frankenbuild we (TB/SM) use to link stuff into libxul?
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# [17:04] <khuey> a bit
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# [17:05] <NeilAway> khuey: hmm, wait a sec
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# [17:06] <NeilAway> khuey: mozilla's configure.in includes our confvars.sh again, right?
# [17:06] <NeilAway> khuey: but if c-c's configure.in exports something, then I can read that, and therefore pass stuff down?
# [17:06] <NeilAway> well, that unfortunately only solves one of my problems
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# [17:08] <khuey> NeilAway: I believe it does, yes
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# [17:17] <Yoric> bsmedberg: ping
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# [17:18] <bsmedberg> Yoric: pong
# [17:18] <Yoric> Hi
# [17:18] <Yoric> I am currently working on the JSAPI-based File API and, more precisely, on the part related to stats (file size, creation time, etc.)
# [17:19] <Yoric> glandium seems to remember that, under Windows, there was a good reason to not call GetFileInformationByHandle
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# [17:19] <Yoric> but he did not quite remembered the details, and suggested contacting you.
# [17:19] <Yoric> Do you have any recollection of such a reason?
# [17:20] <bsmedberg> well, reading the API
# [17:20] <froydnj> I love the clear, concise, and copious comments I find when investigating new parts of the code
# [17:21] <Ms2ger> Yw
# [17:21] <bsmedberg> Yoric: I don't know offhand, but I do remember that asking for all the "stat-like" information from Windows can be expensive if you only need to know whether it's a file or directory
# [17:21] <bsmedberg> e.g. getting the lastmodified time isn't cheap
# [17:21] <glandium> Yoric: my recollection is that there was a good reason to not provide fstat results
# [17:21] <froydnj> oh, sorry, did I forget the </sarcasm> tag? :)
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# [17:22] <bsmedberg> so we should discourage a full "stat-like" API for general usage
# [17:22] <glandium> as a while
# [17:23] <Yoric> bsmedberg: "expensive" as in "you have to call both GetFileInformationByHandle and GetFileAttribute"?
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# [17:23] <bsmedberg> no, as in "most people don't need the last modified time, so we shouldn't make the API get that information in the common case"
# [17:23] <Yoric> (to obtain all the information in |fstat| and a little more)
# [17:24] <Yoric> As far as I can tell, the same system call (but is it really only one system call?) will provide me both the last modified time and, say, the file size.
# [17:25] * bsmedberg wonders how that is relevant, if you don't need the last modified time
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# [17:25] <Yoric> Well, what I mean is that, currently, I get last modified time "for free" (well, I have to copy 2 words of memory) while looking for another information.
# [17:26] <Yoric> I am trying to understand whether I am missing something here.
# [17:26] <glandium> Yoric: in practice, you can know whether a file is a file or a directory without looking at the inode.
# [17:27] <Yoric> Truth be told, for the moment, I strictly do not care whether I am looking at a file or a directory.
# [17:27] <Yoric> I am only interested in knowing its size.
# [17:27] <bsmedberg> Why?
# [17:27] <Yoric> ...and copying the rest of the information somewhere else, in case it is useful.
# [17:27] <bsmedberg> I'm primarily concerned about the requirements imposed by the public API.
# [17:28] <Yoric> Do I need a complex justification to need the size of a file?
# [17:28] <bsmedberg> If all you need is the size, why not use GetFileSize
# [17:28] <bsmedberg> since that's faster, IIRC, than getting the full info
# [17:28] <Yoric> Well, we are back to the original question: is it faster?
# [17:28] <bsmedberg> all of the knowledge I have about this relates back to the implementation of make on win32
# [17:29] <bsmedberg> when they ported originally, they implemented the full stat() emulation which was hideously slow, even though they usually don't need the data
# [17:29] <bsmedberg> later they fixed it to only retrieve the modified date and file type, and it was a lot faster
# [17:29] <bsmedberg> IIRC I did something similar in pymake
# [17:30] <Yoric> Ok, this answers my question.
# [17:30] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [17:30] <bsmedberg> I don't actually know what winapi calls were involved in either case, though.
# [17:30] <bsmedberg> measurement is probably necessary!
# [17:30] <Yoric> Well, there are only so many of them.
# [17:30] <Yoric> Sure, but I cannot measure while I am designing the API :)
# [17:31] <bsmedberg> what? sounds like you really have to
# [17:31] <Yoric> measure _the result_ that is
# [17:31] <bsmedberg> no, I mean measure raw API calls
# [17:31] <glandium> it also depends on what compatibility you want. There are new APIs (new as in XP+) that are probably better
# [17:31] <Yoric> Yeah.
# [17:31] <bsmedberg> in various configurations
# [17:31] <bsmedberg> we currently can require winxp, and soon at least xpSP1
# [17:31] <khuey> er, no we can't
# [17:31] <khuey> win2k is still supported
# [17:31] <Yoric> The API seems to have changed rather little since win2k.
# [17:32] <Yoric> At least for the functions I have been consulting.
# [17:32] <bsmedberg> khuey: I have been told that we only support win2k because we haven't broken it, basically by accident
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# [17:32] <bsmedberg> I have email that says any time we need to break it we can.
# [17:32] <glandium> Yoric: GetFileInformationByHandle is new in XP
# [17:32] <bsmedberg> well, had
# [17:32] <khuey> you do?
# [17:32] <bsmedberg> I'm not sure I kept it
# [17:32] * khuey would like a copy of this
# [17:32] <khuey> damn
# [17:32] <Yoric> Ok, I missed the obvious one, then :)
# [17:33] <Yoric> Well, time to drop implementation/design and return to testing.
# [17:33] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [17:44] <Callek> bbondy: pong?
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# [17:46] <bbondy> Callek: So we are trying to land silent update service (Windows) on Monday with it disabled, and on Tuesday with it enabled. I'm concerned with 1) Making sure it builds with SeaMonkey, and 2) Making sure we don't break updates.
# [17:46] <bbondy> Callek: I was wondering if you had any free cycles to try the patch for #1 at least for now
# [17:47] <Callek> bbondy: I should before monday
# [17:47] <Callek> bbondy: my concern lies with the "silent update stuff needs signing"
# [17:47] <bbondy> the patch is 250KB of source code so want to make sure we aren't breaking anything :|
# [17:48] <Callek> bbondy: which SeaMonkey has no support for atm, since we don't do signed anything atm, and we can't (logistically) share Firefox's signing cert.
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# [17:48] <Callek> bbondy: aiui the code is/was supposed to default to "normal behavior" if I do/did nothing for SeaMonkey
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# [17:49] <Callek> bbondy: and only if I wished to do silent update, I would need to add support for code-signing/etc.
# [17:49] <bbondy> Callek: So right the service should only be installed and should only be used if you are using Firefox until we do the follow up bug.
# [17:49] <bbondy> Callek: But there are some bits of code being executed in any case in the patch
# [17:49] <bbondy> and I want to make sure it builds
# [17:50] <bbondy> w/ SeaMonkey
# [17:50] <Callek> bbondy: I can surely test "make sure it builds" I can't easily test "make sure we don't break updates" until it lands, and I have snippets/etc. created
# [17:50] <bbondy> Callek: Ya I'm still trying to figure out how to do #2 for Thunderbird as well
# [17:51] <gavin> did we do something to make addEventListener not require the third argument lately?
# [17:51] <Callek> I don't expect to do it [build] today, but I will before sunday evening....
# [17:51] <Callek> bbondy: whats the bug # again?
# [17:51] <bbondy> Callek: So it would be useful to i) make sure it builds, ii) make sure the installer builds, iii) make sure the installer doesn't install the windows service: Mozilla Maintenance Service
# [17:51] <Callek> just for sake of argument
# [17:51] <Callek> or m-c branch, or whatever
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# [17:51] <bbondy> Callek: Bug 481815
# [17:52] <gavin> hmm looks like http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0aa11fbda638 did that
# [17:52] <bbondy> Callek: I am testing on the elm branch fwiw
# [17:52] <bbondy> Callek: Here's the patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=578230
# [17:52] <Callek> bbondy: so if I just pull elm instead of m-c for SeaMonkey I should get "the patches" and an easy test?
# [17:52] <Callek> or would you rather I import the patch into my m-c clone?
# [17:53] <bbondy> Callek: It would be best to use that patch I referenced above
# [17:53] <Callek> sure
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# [17:59] <gabor> khuey: yeah... slowly but surely... I've ported 50 test files to xpcshell, most of them are working, but there are small things that I have to fix in the tests...
# [17:59] <khuey> woo!
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# [18:01] <gabor> khuey: with some luck I can file a patch early next week, but we'll see... it's always the last failing test that turns out to be a real problem :)
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# [18:08] <bsmedberg> What's the latest incarnation of nvu/komposer for real people (i.e. my wife?)
# [18:09] <bsmedberg> kompozer appears to be old, and nvu is redirecting to net2.com which seems a little strange
# [18:10] <khuey> bluegriffon?
# [18:10] <khuey> that's glazou's new thing
# [18:10] <Callek> bsmedberg: bluegriffon probably
# [18:10] <Callek> komposer is still getting updates, just not as fast as one would like
# [18:10] <blassey> so... seems like I've had to force quit the nightly every time it does an update the last week or so
# [18:10] <blassey> anyone else seen that?
# [18:10] <Callek> bsmedberg: on the bright side, mozilla is employing the kompozer developer so you can easily ask him :-)
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# [18:53] <dougt> tn: ping?
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# [18:57] <Cwiiis> espindola, ping?
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# [19:05] <erione> msucan: i want to contribute in mozilla and i want to start off with my first bug : Bug 704295
# [19:05] <msucan> hello erione !
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# [19:06] <erione> hi
# [19:06] <msucan> msucan: thanks for your interest! with what can i help you?
# [19:06] <msucan> erm
# [19:06] <msucan> * erione
# [19:06] <sheppy> heh
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# [19:06] <msucan> :)
# [19:06] <msucan> erione: have you ever built firefox?
# [19:06] <sheppy> Yeah, working on Mozilla tends to make one talk to oneself. And refer to oneself as "oneself."
# [19:07] <erione> yes
# [19:07] <erione> today only for the first time
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# [19:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7aba04c9fdc2 - Chris Lord - Backout bug 696376
# [19:08] <msucan> sheppy: yeah, that was amusing. there should be an option to not allow autocomplete of oneself nick
# [19:08] <sheppy> msucan: yeah
# [19:08] <msucan> erione: great! the web console code is in browser/devtools/webconsole/
# [19:08] <erione> msucan: i dont have any idea about the mozilla source tree so couldn't find the relevant files by myself..
# [19:08] <jhammel> msucan: that is up to the irc client ;)
# [19:08] <erione> ahh
# [19:09] <erione> the reply came before i questioned, thnks :)
# [19:09] <msucan> erione: the main file of interest is HUDService.jsm and that's where you can fix the bug you picked
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# [19:10] <erione> ok, i will have a look at it
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# [19:11] <msucan> erione: the keypress event handler that deals with autocomplete is 5193
# [19:11] <msucan> erione: search for JSTF_keyPress
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# [19:11] <erione> got it
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# [19:13] <msucan> erione: please ping me when you have questions
# [19:13] <erione> ok
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# [19:16] <gavin> works for me
# [19:16] <khuey> mmm flash
# [19:16] <gavin> or do you mean "that uses flash instead of webm"?
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# [19:24] <espindola> Cwiiis, pong
# [19:24] <Cwiiis> espindola, I had to back out bug 696376, it breaks building on android
# [19:25] <khuey> what's the pref to change the firefox ua?
# [19:25] <khuey> general.useragent.override?
# [19:25] <Cwiiis> espindola, _URC_NORMAL_STOP isn't in unwind.h in any android ndk, I guess it's new?
# [19:25] <espindola> not sure
# [19:25] <espindola> which sdk is being used?
# [19:25] <espindola> I will check it
# [19:26] <Cwiiis> espindola, I've checked every ndk, including the most recent - none have it
# [19:26] <Cwiiis> well, I say every - a fair few
# [19:26] <khuey> yep, that does it
# [19:26] <espindola> Cwiiis, I more interested to look at what they uses instead...
# [19:26] <espindola> which is the one that we use?
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# [19:27] <Cwiiis> Hold on, I'll find out
# [19:29] <jesup> I'm missing something (forest for the trees) - anyone know what's a likely cause for "relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined hidden symbol `vtable for nsBlah' can not be used when making a shared object" during libxul link?
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# [19:31] <Cwiiis> espindola, haven't found out yet, but the version of unwind hasn't changed in android ndk since r4c
# [19:31] <Cwiiis> or at least, the header hasn't changed
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# [19:32] <erione> msucan: i mean the code clearly says that on pressing ESC, the autocomplete disappears and if you press return the sentence gets autocompleted, so what do we need to change?
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# [19:32] <erione> its not mentioned clearly what should occur on pressing return or so
# [19:33] <msucan> erione: if i type d then i press esc, then return, it works (no autocomplete happens and the code is executed as desired)
# [19:33] <msucan> erione: the bug report asks us to make it work without having to press esc
# [19:33] <Mossop> Is anyone merging inbound anytime soon?
# [19:33] <erione> ok,fine
# [19:34] <msucan> erione: that would mean not selecting the first item during typing
# [19:34] <erione> but then we'll have to change the key for getting it autocomplete,for now its return key
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# [19:35] <erione> also tab is there i think
# [19:35] <msucan> hmmm
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# [19:35] <gavin> /win 56
# [19:36] <Callek> Mossop: the answer to anytime soon is "yes" someone always merges it "soon"
# [19:36] <jhammel> gavin: that's a lot of /wins
# [19:36] <msucan> erione: probably we don't want to change that ... we want to keep return to select autocomplete results
# [19:36] <Callek> usually edmorley
# [19:36] <msucan> erione: see JSTF_complete
# [19:37] <edmorley> Callek: or mak / mbrubeck
# [19:37] <edmorley> :-)
# [19:37] <edmorley> I'll do it after the post mortem call
# [19:37] <msucan> erione: a different approach would probably be to not automatically select the first option in the popup
# [19:37] <msucan> erione: you can see in complete() that we do popup.selectedIndex = 0
# [19:38] <msucan> try without that
# [19:38] <erione> ok
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# [19:38] <Mossop> I just want to know whether I should switch the tree I'm developing against or wait for the merge, sounds like I can just wait though
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# [19:39] <edmorley> Mossop: which changeset(s) are you waiting for?
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# [19:40] <msucan> erione: after that change probably in keypress, for return, you have to change the check
# [19:40] <msucan> from if (this.autocompletePopup.isOpen) {
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# [19:40] <msucan> to if (this.autocompletePopup.isOpen && this.autocompletePopup.selectedIndex > -1) {
# [19:40] <erione> yes
# [19:41] <Mossop> edmorley: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b31691b620ba, but it's ok I can just wait for a bit, I certainly have plenty of other stuff to do!
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# [19:42] <gavin> jhammel: I have 159
# [19:42] <jhammel> gavin: mercy me, i get flustered after about 10
# [19:43] <gavin> also I discovered yesterday that my irssi is using 1GB of ram - lots of scrollback :)
# [19:43] * khuey wonders how much of people's RAM is consumed by irssi instances
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# [19:44] <jhammel> khuey: in my case, 3M ;)
# [19:45] <erione> msucan: i think its done ?
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# [19:46] <msucan> erione: yay
# [19:46] <erione> yipee
# [19:46] <msucan> erione: do you know how to submit a patch?
# [19:46] <erione> what shall i do now?
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# [19:46] <erione> no, let me check in the guide
# [19:47] <msucan> erione: hg diff > foo.diff
# [19:47] <msucan> then attach the patch to the given bug
# [19:47] <erione> ok
# [19:47] <msucan> enable the patch checkbox
# [19:47] <msucan> and set the feedback flag to ? and in the field type :msucan
# [19:47] <msucan> (so i get asked for feedback)
# [19:47] <sheppy> khuey: what about bug 977922 needs documenting? I'm not clear on this one.
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# [19:48] <khuey> did you just travel back from the future?
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# [19:48] <khuey> ask me again in a few years, maybe? :-D
# [19:48] <msucan> hehe, nice bug
# [19:49] <sheppy> khuey: nah, I need to know now. :)
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# [19:49] <sheppy> You're the fool that put dev-doc-needed on it :D
# [19:49] <mwu> will put*
# [19:49] <sheppy> Hum.
# [19:49] <sheppy> That's odd.
# [19:49] * khuey waits for sheppy to catch on
# [19:50] <sheppy> bug 677922
# [19:50] <sheppy> Wtf
# [19:50] <msucan> lol
# [19:50] * khuey looks
# [19:50] <sheppy> Cold fingers are missing keys a lot
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# [19:50] <khuey> how to use it, probably
# [19:50] * khuey needs to write those docs ...
# [19:50] <sheppy> Probably would be faster than explaining it to me. :D
# [19:50] <khuey> yeah
# [19:51] <sheppy> That bug is one of only 14 left for Firefox 9, so I'm eager to see it handled. :)
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# [19:51] <khuey> mmm
# [19:51] <khuey> I might find some time today
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# [19:51] <khuey> if dbaron never shows up here
# [19:51] <khuey> can't ask him what his review comments meant :-P
# [19:52] <sheppy> Is it wrong for me to hope he's stuck somewhere without internet service? :D
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# [19:52] <mbrubeck> Okay, what's with weird new Linux reftest failures showing up on both Aurora and m-c at the same time on totally unrelated pushes?
# [19:52] <mbrubeck> and each one has 21 failures, though they are not the same failures... :/
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# [19:53] <sheppy> Man, I wish I had time to really explore stuff instead of whipping through it fast. :)
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# [19:56] <@bz> sheppy: you want to have time to leisurely understand the whole web platform? ;)
# [19:56] <jhammel> sign me up too
# [19:56] <abral> ted, ping
# [19:56] <sheppy> bz: yes.
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# [19:56] <biesi> sheppy, I am not sure a lifetime is enough for that :-)
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# [19:57] <sheppy> biesi: I'm sure there's not but I still wish I had the time.
# [19:57] <khuey> not at the rate it's expanding
# [19:57] <sheppy> I keep learning just enough about stuff to think it's interesting, but not enough time to be good at it.
# [19:57] <sheppy> So I have to ask a lot of people questions that make me feel foolish, just so I can write docs. :)
# [19:57] <lurking> the landing of spdy on Inbound didn't build on win opt ?
# [19:58] <lurking> or is tbpl being stupid again
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# [19:58] <mak> lurking: probably has been coalesced with the next push
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# [19:58] <lurking> oh, crap, didn't look at the landing times :P
# [19:59] <mak> well windows is still slow (till it moves to pymake) so it may be coalesced even much later than usual
# [19:59] <lurking> no, don't think that's it
# [19:59] <mak> bb764828a379 is building on win opt
# [20:00] <mak> as well as e6d311cfc2e4
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# [20:02] <mak> edmorley++
# [20:03] <edmorley> Mossop: done
# [20:03] <edmorley> mak: :-)
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# [20:03] <Mossop> Awesome
# [20:03] <edmorley> you've done a load the last week whilst I was away
# [20:03] <mak> I did not know you were away, but I noticed that!
# [20:03] <mak> :D
# [20:03] <jesup> I must be missing an include somewhere - what causes "undefined reference to `NS_DebugBreak'" (and LOG_Release, etc) from functions defined in NS_IMPL_ISUPPORTS1()?
# [20:04] <lurking> aww, shucks - spdy just missed the m-i ->m-c merge
# [20:05] <biesi> undefined references usually mean a missing library, not a missing include
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# [20:05] <smaug> bsmedberg: so what decides whether XPCOM_GLUE_AVOID_NSPR is set in some directory
# [20:06] <erione> help needed, looking for some bug more related to c++
# [20:06] <espindola> Cwiiis, ok, looked at all the unwind.h I could find
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# [20:06] <espindola> all that I need it is for the callback to return *a* error
# [20:06] <espindola> so would a comment
# [20:06] <espindola> and _URC_FOREIGN_EXCEPTION_CAUGHT
# [20:06] <espindola> be ok?
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# [20:06] <espindola> or even return 1;
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# [20:11] <bsmedberg> smaug: it is set in xpcom/glue/standalone
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# [20:11] <bsmedberg> and for embedders who link against the standalone glue
# [20:11] <lurking> ruh-roh - looks like http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32/ just crashed again
# [20:11] <lurking> 403 forbidden
# [20:12] <gps> I somehow managed to trigger "ASSERTION: Component Manager being held past XPCOM shutdown" from JS code. anyone have any pointers for isolating the cause?
# [20:12] <smaug> bsmedberg: for some reason it is also in xpcom/glue
# [20:12] <bsmedberg> it's really not
# [20:13] <erione> khuey: looking for some bug more related to c++
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# [20:13] <smaug> bsmedberg: well, I need to #undef XPCOM_GLUE_AVOID_NSPR to get certain changes in nsCycleCollectionParticipant.cpp to compile
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# [20:16] <Mook> lurking: awesome, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ says there's no tinderbox-builds anymore :D
# [20:16] <lurking> :P
# [20:17] <bsmedberg> smaug: can you be more specific? I can't imagine standalone glue users needing that header
# [20:17] <bsmedberg> so we should just stop allowing them to be cycle collection participants
# [20:17] <edmorley> Mook: yeah just spotted, who's on duty>
# [20:17] <bsmedberg> frankly, I don't think any non-libxul code can reasonbly be cycle collection participatns
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# [20:19] <smaug> bsmedberg: I'm using nsRunnable in nsCycleCollectionParticipant.cpp and can't get the code to compile without #undef XPCOM_GLUE_AVOID_NSPR
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# [20:20] <smaug> nsCycleCollectionParticipant.cpp is not under standalone
# [20:20] <khuey> but it's built understandalone
# [20:20] <khuey> later
# [20:20] <khuey> as part of the standalone xpcom glue
# [20:20] <smaug> ahaa
# [20:20] <smaug> right
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# [20:20] <khuey> all of those files are built 4 times
# [20:20] <smaug> strange
# [20:20] <smaug> very bizarre setup
# [20:20] <smaug> ok, I'll hack-around this setup
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# [20:21] <khuey> dbaron: ping
# [20:21] <aja> ftp file system probs again?
# [20:21] <@dbaron> khuey, pong
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# [20:22] <khuey> dbaron: at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497995#c43
# [20:22] <khuey> you want the pixel rounding tests to be changed to test outset values?
# [20:22] <khuey> or did I misunderstand?
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# [20:23] <edmorley> aja: yes
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# [20:23] <aja> edmorley, k....tks
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# [20:24] <@dbaron> khuey, no
# [20:24] <@dbaron> khuey, that said, it' wouldn't be horrible to write more tests
# [20:24] <@dbaron> khuey, but all I was suggesting was taking the existing tests
# [20:24] <khuey> heh
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# [20:24] <@dbaron> khuey, noticing that the existing tests are in groups of 10
# [20:25] <@dbaron> khuey, where in each 10 the first 5 use border-width overrides and the latter 5 test the same thing but with 'border-width'
# [20:25] <lsblakk|buildduty> trees are about to close - another storage machine failure
# [20:25] <khuey> right, chop off the second half of each group
# [20:25] <@dbaron> khuey, no, chop the first half
# [20:25] <khuey> oh
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# [20:25] <khuey> maybe that's why I can't get them to work :-P
# [20:25] <@dbaron> khuey, since there are no longer any border-width overrides
# [20:25] <@dbaron> khuey, and the syntax for them was repurposed for something else
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# [20:25] <khuey> hmm, ok
# [20:25] * khuey gives that a shot
# [20:26] <@dbaron> khuey, so, basically, keep the half that has a border-width declaration and toss the half with a /
# [20:26] * edmorley changes topic to 'mozilla-central: CLOSED || mozilla-inbound: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
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# [20:27] <espindola> Cwiiis, dbaron , I have uploaded a new patch to 696376
# [20:27] <Mossop> Close and leaves, classy
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# [20:27] <espindola> the *only* difference is that it avoids the error code not defined by android ARM
# [20:27] <espindola> is it OK?
# [20:28] <khuey> rs: thanks for nominating
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# [20:29] <khuey> dbaron: awesome, thanks
# [20:29] <khuey> dbaron: what else do you think is worth testing?
# [20:29] <khuey> (if you had something in mind)
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# [20:30] <@dbaron> khuey, not sure
# [20:30] <khuey> ok
# [20:30] <@bz> gah
# [20:30] <@bz> is the world broken again?
# [20:30] <@bz> why does this happen every time I want to push to inbound???
# [20:30] <derf> Because you always want to push to inbound.
# [20:30] <khuey> it's a conspiracy to keep your patches out of the tree
# [20:30] <sheppy> bz: self defense
# [20:30] <aja> bz: file system issues again
# [20:31] <@bz> these aren't even my patches, mostly
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# [20:31] <Cwiiis> espindola, looks good to me
# [20:31] <espindola> awesome, thanks
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# [20:32] <espindola> funny thing is, android x86 has the constant :-)
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# [20:33] <aja> what's the state of meta viewport on android nighlies? different than aurora/beta/release ?
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# [20:35] <mbrubeck> aja: it's mostly the same code, but it isn't 100% ported over to the nightlies yet
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# [20:35] <taras> jlebar and everybody else interested in making telemetry frontend better, please come to #perf to look at the next version of it
# [20:35] <mbrubeck> the main part of it just landed in Wednesday's nightly (bug 694901)
# [20:36] <aja> mbrubeck, k....that makes sense then :)
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# [20:39] <mbrubeck> aja: Noticing any particular problems in nightly?
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# [20:41] <aja> mbrubeck, mainly just accidentally zooming in seemingly infinitely on occasion
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# [20:42] <aja> mbrubeck, haven't really tested much since dbaron's landing the other day
# [20:42] <aja> did notice no update for latest beta yet though
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# [20:44] <jesup> biesi: undefined refs usually a missing lib - yes, but refs hidden in NS_IMP_ISUPPORTS? In something linked in libxul? It looks like MOZILLA_INTERNAL_API isn't set, so NS_DebugBreak doesn't get #defined to NS_DebugBreak_P... Aha! I was missing LIBXUL_LIBRARY!
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# [20:44] <jesup> How intuitive...
# [20:45] <biesi> you want intuitive? are you new here? :-)
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# [20:49] <jesup> biesi: :-) And I love the examples for XPCOM stuff based on <1.3, using defines that no longer exist.
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# [20:49] * jesup enjoyed wasting a day
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# [20:50] <khuey> so is try broken too?
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# [20:51] <philor> should be
# [20:51] <khuey> mmm
# [20:51] * khuey is precipitously close to the weekend then
# [20:51] <philor> or given "surf:NFS mount - /mnt/cm-ixstore01/try-builds is OK: OK: all mounts were found" should be becoming unbroken
# [20:52] <derf> It's Friday alreadY?
# [20:52] <derf> How does this keep happening?
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# [20:52] <philor> unless other parts are still broken and will still require another restart
# [20:52] <khuey> inorite
# [20:52] <lsblakk|buildduty> reopening trees
# [20:52] <philor> hah, take that, khuey's weekend!
# [20:53] <@bz> derf: rotational inertia, mostly
# [20:53] <@bz> derf: the earth has a whole lot of it
# [20:53] <@bz> derf: keeps the run risig every morning!
# [20:53] <khuey> too late
# [20:53] <derf> It _is_ pretty big.
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# [20:53] <derf> But it'll slow down eventually.
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# [20:53] <@bz> yes
# [20:53] <@bz> in the long run
# [20:54] <@bz> in which we are all dead.
# [20:54] <@bz> (literally, in this case)
# [20:54] * khuey still plans to download himself into the internet and escape death
# [20:55] <derf> I think I'll place my bets on medical science before the internet.
# [20:55] * @bz prepares for the reopening
# [20:55] <@bz> "hg pull -u inbound && hg qpush 6 && hg qfin -a && hg push inbound-push"
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# [20:55] <hub> bz: roll a d20 first :-)
# [20:55] <gavin> do you pull inbound into your m-c clone?
# [20:56] * gavin is wondering why the explicit "pull inbound"
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# [20:56] <@bz> gavin: the default repo for this particular repo is my local m-c clone
# [20:57] <jesup> khuey had better hope it's the inter*stellar*net he downloads to
# [20:57] <@bz> gavin: at the moment
# [20:57] <Asa> does anyone here know under what circumstances we unload images in background tabs (or the bug that implemented that)?
# [20:57] <gavin> ah
# [20:57] <@bz> gavin: but it's been tracking inbound for a few weeks now
# [20:57] <@bz> Asa: after 10 seconds pass
# [20:57] <khuey> Asa: define "unload"
# [20:57] <khuey> either what bz said or "never"
# [20:57] <@bz> Asa: where by "unload" you mean "discard"
# [20:57] <jesup> Asa: drop decoded data after 10
# [20:57] <Asa> khuey: when I visit http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/ux-presentation/ux-presentation.html and leave that tab for a bit, all of the images unload
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# [20:57] <@bz> gavin: because my inbound clone ended up with patches in it that I was going to push but now have to debug....
# [20:57] <khuey> we discard the decoded image data
# [20:57] <Asa> thanks. I think 10 seconds is too fast. do you know why we chose that time?
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# [20:58] <jesup> asa: because 60 seconds was too slow :-)
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# [20:58] <khuey> heh
# [20:58] <jesup> And people would crash themselves switching between porn tabs
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# [20:58] <Asa> I wonder if we could get some data about how our users switch tabs.
# [20:58] <cjones> does anyone know of a guide to using tbpl?
# [20:59] <Asa> this seems all too fast to me.
# [20:59] <Asa> It makes us feel un-snappy, IMO.
# [20:59] <@bz> we have bugs on this
# [20:59] <@bz> that khuey was fixing last I checked
# [20:59] <Asa> bz: to adjust the time or something else?
# [20:59] <khuey> the problem is not the discarding
# [20:59] <@bz> something else
# [20:59] <khuey> the problem is the undiscarding
# [20:59] <jesup> asa: I proposed a nice, fancy, predictive, complex way to handle decoded-image caching (including that some tabs have too much all in one tab). Work to implement, though
# [20:59] <khuey> bz: I'm fixing some of them
# [21:00] <khuey> the others are much more involved ...
# [21:00] <@bz> asa: the real issue is that when we switch back to the tab we redecode all the images in that tab
# [21:00] <@bz> asa: as opposed to, say, the ones in the viewport
# [21:00] <khuey> in a completely random order
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# [21:00] <@bz> asa: or the ones being visible
# [21:00] <@bz> yeah, in random order and in parallel
# [21:00] <Asa> do any of you object to changing that timer to something like 30 seconds or a minute while we wait on other improvements.
# [21:00] <jesup> bz: right. We really only need to decode the ones visible (or near-visible) immediately
# [21:00] <@bz> so the latency sucks
# [21:01] <@bz> Asa: we used to have it there. Worth checking the bug that reduced the time to see why....
# [21:01] <Asa> bz: OK. thanks.
# [21:01] * @bz notes that we definitely have a bug on changing the timeout value
# [21:01] <Asa> will go looking
# [21:01] <@bz> lemme know if you can't find it
# [21:01] <jesup> Asa: we can, but we'll get more crashes from people near VM/mem exhaustion
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# [21:02] <jesup> Asa: it's a tradeoff
# [21:02] <Asa> yeah. that makes sense.
# [21:02] <jesup> Asa: and as such, it always can be revisited - but we should avoid frobbing it back and forth too much
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# [21:03] <khuey> firebot: bug 664290
# [21:03] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664290 nor, --, mozilla7, joe, RESO FIXED, Find the lowest acceptable value for image.mem.min_discard_timeout_ms
# [21:03] <smaug> Some more tests builds for anyone seeing bad CC times http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/opettay@mozilla.com-a801a583bae4/
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# [21:03] <khuey> comment 6 is likely of interest
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# [21:04] <jesup> firebot: bug 660577
# [21:04] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660577 nor, --, ---, jmuizelaar, NEW, [meta] Image-heavy sites are slow and often abort due to OOM; regression from 3.6
# [21:04] <Asa> thanks.
# [21:04] <jesup> That was the bug with tons of discussion and alternatives leading to this one, I believe
# [21:04] <khuey> anyways, it's going to take engineer-months of work to fix everything
# [21:05] <khuey> and nobody is really working on it
# [21:05] <khuey> so the results are what you might expect
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# [21:06] <jesup> My proposal was in comment 90 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660577#c90)
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# [21:07] <Asa> I'm going to request we bump it up to something like a minute until we get the other issues ironed out.
# [21:07] <Asa> jlebar seems to think that increasing is a good idea too https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664290#c20
# [21:07] <jesup> sfink and others have some comments following. It's complex, but tries to maximize the user experience with limited resources. More error-prone to implement, of course
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# [21:08] <khuey> well, the problem with implementing jlebar's thing is that getting reliable memory pressure events is really really hard
# [21:08] <Asa> khuey: I'm not worried about that part, just the bumping the timer up to something where users will see this less.
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# [21:09] <khuey> Asa: which will regress our memory usage ...
# [21:09] <@bz> khuey: how do I tell from the command line what compiler version I have on Windows?
# [21:09] <jesup> asa: double-check impact on fennec if you're going to bump it up, too
# [21:09] <Asa> khuey: yes. for some seconds.
# [21:09] <jlebar> Asa, to be honest, I'd want to think hard about this before we bumped up the timer.
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# [21:09] <Asa> jesup: fennec can discard on 1 second. that's their call
# [21:09] <khuey> bz: type 'cl'
# [21:09] <Asa> the user experience right now is really unpleasant.
# [21:09] <mak> is someone closing central?
# [21:09] <jlebar> Asa, the last change had unintended consequences.
# [21:10] <khuey> having your browser crash because it's out of memory is unpleasant too
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# [21:10] <khuey> I don't think we should play with the dial without some solid data
# [21:10] <Asa> do we know how many oom crashes each second of timer gets us?
# [21:10] <jesup> Asa: what bugs are you referring to, and how common/bad are they? Telemetry data?
# [21:10] <Asa> we already played
# [21:10] <Asa> and created a bad experience.
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# [21:11] <Asa> with an arbitrary "let's try 10 seconds and revisit later"
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# [21:11] <@bz> khuey: ok, says version 15.00.30729.01
# [21:11] <@bz> khuey: which one is that? ;)
# [21:11] <Asa> jesup: I'm referring to the reloading of my images when I leave a page for 10 seconds to check my email tab and return to that page.
# [21:11] <khuey> bz: 2008
# [21:11] <@bz> khuey: which one do we use on tbox?
# [21:12] <khuey> if you want a service pack number you'll have to google
# [21:12] <khuey> bz: 2005
# [21:12] <jlebar> Asa, So we were bitten once by an arbitrary decision.
# [21:12] <@bz> khuey: an we want to upgrade to 2010?
# [21:12] <jlebar> Asa, What I'm trying to avoid is another one.
# [21:12] <khuey> well clearly you should just leave the page for 9 seconds
# [21:12] <khuey> :-P
# [21:12] <khuey> bz: right
# [21:12] <@bz> khuey: ok
# [21:12] <jesup> Asa: they shouldn't reload, just re-decode. Are you running with cache disabled?
# [21:12] * @bz is trying to figure out a sane way to get this code to compile on 2005
# [21:12] <khuey> jesup: no, he's talking about redecoding
# [21:12] <Asa> jesup: when I return to the page, there are no images, a second later the images show up
# [21:12] <@bz> I guess it's more try server debugging for me!
# [21:12] <@bz> Asa: yeah, that's redecode
# [21:12] <khuey> we have 2005 on fs, IIRC
# [21:13] <Asa> sorry for having my terms wrong. my images are gone.
# [21:13] <@bz> yeah, but trying to get it installed on here, then the builds actually using it...
# [21:13] <Asa> that's the user experience
# [21:13] <jlebar> Asa, So is memory usage.
# [21:13] <@bz> Asa: well, to the user there is no obvious difference
# [21:13] <jlebar> Asa, so is crashing.
# [21:13] <jlebar> It's not simple...
# [21:13] <@bz> Asa: we're not saying our current behavior is great
# [21:13] <@bz> Asa: the alternatives might just be _worse_
# [21:13] <khuey> our current behavior is f'ing awful :-)
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# [21:14] <@bz> Asa: (emphasis on might, of course)
# [21:14] <Asa> do we know that each second saves us significant numbers of OOM crashes?
# [21:14] <@bz> khuey: plus, the prospect of doing local pgo builds is not all that exciting
# [21:14] <Asa> how do we know that 30 seconds won't produce the same results for stability as 10 seconds
# [21:14] <jesup> Asa: I just tried that. No delay in images visible when switching back. Maybe something else is going on? What sort of page are you switching to?
# [21:14] <Asa> jesup: try this one http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/ux-presentation/ux-presentation.html
# [21:14] <Asa> switch from that to any other page for 10 seconds and return
# [21:14] <@bz> jesup: try a page with a few hundred jpegs
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# [21:15] <Asa> 9 jpegs
# [21:15] <khuey> Asa: we don't know whether 30s will produce the same results as 10s or 120s
# [21:15] <jlebar> Asa, That data is precisely the information I woudl like us to gather before we set the timer to some arbitrary value.
# [21:15] <@bz> hm
# [21:15] <jesup> bz: yes, with hundreds of images and random-order decode, sure
# [21:15] <@bz> 9 jpegs shouldn't take that long....
# [21:15] <@bz> that's odd
# [21:15] <Asa> jlebar: how can we gather that without setting the timer to the other levels and comparing?
# [21:15] <Asa> bz: this page has 9 jpegs.
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# [21:15] <khuey> telemetry
# [21:15] <khuey> test pilot
# [21:15] <@bz> pretty big jpegs, but still....
# [21:16] <jlebar> Asa, I'd be in favor of conducting an experiment in Telemetry. But that's *entirely different* from resetting the pref without any investigation.
# [21:16] <khuey> we have tools we can employ
# [21:16] * @bz is trying to reproduce and failing so far
# [21:16] * jesup can't reproduce either
# [21:16] <@bz> ah, here we go
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# [21:16] <jesup> Asa: are you in swap?
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# [21:16] <@bz> yeah, I can reproduce this
# [21:16] <@bz> and I'm not in swap
# [21:17] <jlebar> Asa, If we decoded images in a more sane order, we'd eliminate a lot of this problem.
# [21:17] <jesup> bz: what's the trick? I gave it 20 sec
# [21:17] <Asa> no swp here
# [21:17] * @bz looks for good str
# [21:17] <@bz> jesup: gimme a min
# [21:17] <khuey> right, the problem is not the discarding
# [21:17] <khuey> it's the undiscarding
# [21:17] <edmorley> Asa: it affects the new gmail look theme backgrounds quite badly too, since (my guess here) they are higher quality images and take a noticeably longer amount of time to decode, every time I flick back to my gmail apptab
# [21:17] <@bz> jesup: might need 30 sec
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# [21:17] <@bz> 10sec is the parameter
# [21:17] <jesup> Asa: one of the ideas in my comment 90 was to order the decodes by distance-from-viewport (more or less)
# [21:17] <@bz> to the expiration tracker
# [21:17] <@bz> right?
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# [21:17] <@bz> actual expiration is longer than the parameter....
# [21:18] * @bz is testing now
# [21:18] <khuey> bz: right
# [21:18] <khuey> it can be up to 2N IIRC
# [21:18] <@bz> ok
# [21:18] <@bz> so if I switch tabs
# [21:18] <jlebar> khuey / bz, yes, that's right.
# [21:18] <@bz> then sleep 30 in the shell
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# [21:18] <@bz> then switch back
# [21:18] <@bz> I see the lag
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# [21:18] <jesup> Ok, I see it too now
# [21:19] <@bz> tree is still closed, right?
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# [21:19] <@bz> I wonder what the actual decode times are for these images
# [21:19] <khuey> /topic thinks so
# [21:19] <@bz> do we log that somehow?
# [21:19] <khuey> not that you can get as easily, I don't think
# [21:19] <joe> asac: ping
# [21:19] <khuey> the other interesting bit here is how many paints we end up triggering during decode
# [21:20] <khuey> and how long those take
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# [21:20] <@bz> yes
# [21:20] <@bz> but in this case I see no painting happen
# [21:20] <tn> dougt, pong
# [21:21] <@bz> the imags just pop in all at once
# [21:21] <jesup> khuey: jprof to the rescue! (ok, I won't get counts but I'll get where the CPU time is going)
# [21:21] <dougt> tn: just following up on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699351
# [21:21] <jesup> 1 sec
# [21:21] <dougt> tn: it is the last thing that needs to land on m-c before we can start using m-c as our main clone.
# [21:21] <dougt> tn: (sorry to be chasing you about this)
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# [21:22] <khuey> jesup: heh
# [21:22] <khuey> bz: ok, I think I've seen a bug where we end up triggering a ton of paints and ruin our hwole day
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# [21:22] <@bz> khuey: yes, we have that too
# [21:22] <@bz> khuey: someone needs to debug what we end up repainting in those cases
# [21:22] <@bz> khuey: I bet it's the whole image
# [21:23] <tn> dougt, yep, i haven't forgotten about it
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# [21:24] <khuey> bz: somebody needs to spend several months fixing images ;-)
# [21:24] <@bz> um
# [21:24] <jesup> (42.8%) mozilla::imagelib::imgDecodeWorker::Run() ( (30.8%) mozilla::imagelib::nsJPEGDecoder::OutputScanlines(bool*), 10% consume_data)
# [21:24] <@bz> I can't resize the mozillabuild shell windows horizontally?
# [21:24] <jbuck> nope :/
# [21:24] <@bz> bah
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# [21:24] <jbuck> not even with Console2, which made me sad
# [21:24] <khuey> 80 characters is enough for anyone!
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# [21:25] <@bz> anyone but out leak logs!
# [21:25] <Mook> jbuck: you should be able to, with console2
# [21:25] <jesup> (40.7%) nsIDOMHTMLElement_GetOffsetHeight(JSContext*, JSObject*, long, JS::Value*) -- That's weird!!
# [21:25] <khuey> bz: click on the top left icon, properties, layout, and change window and screenbuffer size
# [21:25] <khuey> jesup: aha
# [21:25] <khuey> now that's interesting!
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# [21:26] <jbuck> Mook: oh really? is that a preference change?
# [21:26] * khuey gives up trying to understand the state of the tree
# [21:26] <mak> tree's closed closed closed
# [21:26] <jbuck> I couldn't find something resembling "allow resizable window"
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# [21:26] <jesup> khuey: Seen this effect before: (37.2%) nsCSSFrameConstructor::ProcessPendingRestyles()
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# [21:26] <@bz> jesup: interesting. What's that from?
# [21:27] <jesup> The getoffsetheight triggers the restyle
# [21:27] <edmorley> mak: how come? the logs are back
# [21:27] <mak> khuey: Y U NOT IN #build :)
# [21:27] <@bz> jesup: what getoffsetheight?
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# [21:27] <@bz> jesup: and why are we restyling anything at all?
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# [21:27] <@bz> hmm
# [21:27] <khuey> mak: because 39 irssi windows is my limit
# [21:27] <mak> edmorley: disk issues, from what I got
# [21:27] <khuey> and that's where I'm at
# [21:27] <khuey> mak: those are fixed, no?
# [21:27] <jesup> bz: want the jprof file?
# [21:27] <@bz> so how do I run a single a11y test "normally"?
# [21:27] <@bz> jesup: it can't answer those questions, so no
# [21:28] <mak> edmorley: I think there is a disks replacement undergoing
# [21:28] <edmorley> ok
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# [21:28] <@bz> as in, have it run automatically and quit when done?
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# [21:28] <tbsaunde> bz: you now runtests.py needs --close-when-done right? (that always worked for a11y tests on linux for me)
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# [21:28] <@bz> aha, close-when-done
# [21:29] <@bz> thanks
# [21:29] <tbsaunde> bz: you need that one too
# [21:29] <gregglind> khuey, let me know if you need test pilot stuff
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# [21:29] <tbsaunde> yw
# [21:29] <@bz> well, the good news is that I can reproduce this Windows leak....
# [21:29] <khuey> jesup: would be interesting to know what's calling offsetHeight
# [21:29] <khuey> given that that page doesn't have any script ...
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# [21:30] <tbsaunde> bz: and the bad news is you get debug it ;)
# [21:30] <jesup> bz: it's not a 100% clean test - used a running, almost idle browser, but there's another tab. I'll re-run in a clean test in a sec
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# [21:33] <@bz> tbsaunde: maybe
# [21:33] <jesup> Interesting - Initial load of the page, including the images, into a fresh profile painted the first image faster than switching tabs (probably order-of-decode thing)
# [21:33] <@bz> tbsaunde: first of all, there are these assertions
# [21:33] <Asa> jesup: is there a particular problem that you think is distinct to this page full of images and that's not a normal experience?
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# [21:33] <@bz> tbsaunde: they happen even if no leak, but are they expected?
# [21:34] <tbsaunde> bz: what assertions?
# [21:34] <@bz> tbsaunde
# [21:34] <@bz> er...
# [21:34] <@bz> ###!!! ASSERTION: Adopting child!: 'Error', file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32-dbg/build/accessible/src/base/nsAccessible.cpp, line 2529
# [21:34] <@bz> like that
# [21:35] <@bz> tbsaunde: do you know the a11y code at all?
# [21:35] <khuey> a11y likes to assert
# [21:35] <@bz> tbsaunde: if so, let's talk about this in a11y?
# [21:35] <jesup> khuey: Ok, the getoffsetheight thing was due to the other background tab
# [21:35] <tbsaunde> bz: a bit
# [21:35] <@bz> khuey: and in this case leak, yes
# [21:35] <khuey> doesn't mean it's not related, of course
# [21:35] <khuey> jesup: mmm, ok
# [21:35] <tbsaunde> bz: sure
# [21:35] <khuey> so it's just pure decode
# [21:35] <jesup> 65% decode with a clean profile/run
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# [21:36] <khuey> Asa: no, I think it's pretty typical of a page with a bunch of large images on it
# [21:36] <jesup> 15% event, not sure about other 20% (probably rest of the tab swithcing)
# [21:37] <jesup> Asa: it's typical of an image-laden page, especially large or slow images
# [21:37] <jesup> And then it's random depending on order of decode
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# [21:38] <jesup> Simply better-ordering re-decode on a switch would help tremendously with user experience
# [21:38] <khuey> yep
# [21:39] <jesup> You don't need my fancy minimize-memory algorithm if it *looks* like it's all loaded immediately (of course, you may still use too much memory if a single tab has a ton of images)
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# [21:41] <Asa> jesup: ok. thanks.
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# [21:45] <jesup> And it's worse when the images are scaled. Hmmm, this one isn't but we're spending almost 30% of decode time in the scaler, but it's all in ycc_rgb_convert_argb(). Seems high
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# [21:58] <@bz> man
# [21:59] <@bz> refcount log analysis is kinda broken on Windows, eh?
# [22:00] <khuey> yep
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# [22:00] <@bz> ignoring that...
# [22:01] <@bz> XPCOM_MEM_COMPTR_LOG claims to not work because it wants dynamic cast
# [22:01] <Mook> hmm, the refcnt log tended to work for me on widnows
# [22:01] <@bz> and the actual balance tree is completely wrong
# [22:01] <@bz> just looking at it
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# [22:01] <Mook> (but yeah, the comptr log is useless)
# [22:01] <Mook> of course, it may be that I didn't realize things were wrong :)
# [22:01] <@bz> well
# [22:01] <@bz> it's a tree with no branches in this case
# [22:01] <@bz> which is so wrong
# [22:02] <@bz> it's not showing any releases at all
# [22:02] <khuey> ah yes
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# [22:02] <khuey> I've seen that before too
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# [22:05] <roc> khuey: pong
# [22:06] <khuey> roc: figured it out
# [22:06] <khuey> but thanks
# [22:07] <@bz> khuey: ok. So how do I make it _not_ happen? ;)
# [22:07] <@bz> I mean...
# [22:07] <@bz> the stacks here are just broken
# [22:07] * @bz tries without COMPTR_LOG
# [22:08] <jesup> It's really odd that ycc_rgb_convert_argb() would be taking almost 1/3 the decode time for those jpegs, but maybe that's correct. And there's a comment on it only being for "if we don't have SSE2"... Do we enable SSE2 on Linux x64?
# [22:08] <jesup> hmm
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# [22:09] <khuey> bz: I've never gotten a working tree on windows
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# [22:09] <khuey> I've only tried once though
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# [22:11] <bent> bz, did you try find-comptr-leakers.pl?
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# [22:11] <@bz> khuey: <sigh>
# [22:11] <@bz> bent: not yet
# [22:12] <bent> because if the comptr leak log is imbalanced
# [22:12] <bent> unbalanced
# [22:12] <@bz> bent: there is no comptr leak log
# [22:12] <bent> then it screws up the tree
# [22:12] <@bz> bent: so... ;)
# [22:12] <bent> ok
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# [22:13] <@bz> bent: apparently the comptr log just doesn't work on Windows
# [22:13] <bent> hm
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# [22:13] <bent> "fun"
# [22:13] * NeilAway wonders what code bz is having trouble getting to compile on 2005
# [22:14] <@bz> NeilAway: class foo { foo() { mTable.Init(); } nsTHashtable<....> mTable; }
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# [22:14] <@bz> NeilAway: it ICEs on the Init() call
# [22:14] <@bz> NeilAway: with PGO only, of course
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# [22:15] <NeilAway> bz: ah, PGO...
# [22:16] <@bz> verily
# [22:16] <jacob> How hard would it be to make firefox allow opening a normal window, and another in private browsing?
# [22:16] <jacob> * at the same time
# [22:16] <@bz> you'd have to rewrite the way private browsing works
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# [22:18] <jacob> Is it that large?
# [22:18] <@bz> well
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# [22:18] <@bz> right now it works by putting various subsystems (cookies, cache, history, etc) in a mode where they don't save data in the normal way
# [22:19] <@bz> just sets a boolean flag in each
# [22:19] <jacob> That doesn't sound to difficult
# [22:19] <@bz> well, that approach doesn't work if you want some windows in pb and others not
# [22:20] <@bz> so you need a different approach
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# [22:20] <sheppy> Can anyone clarify for me that the responseType moz-json is still just string data, but that the string is JSON? It's not automatically parsing it or anything?
# [22:20] <mak> you may open a new firefox process pointing to a "private" profile and keep the same approach
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# [22:21] <@bz> sheppy: it's parsing it
# [22:21] <sheppy> OK, it didn't look like it to me looking at the tests.
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# [22:21] <@bz> sheppy: when the responsetype is -moz-json, .response is the JS object parsed from that json
# [22:21] <@bz> sheppy: if I read the code right
# [22:22] <sheppy> bz: OK, good, that's how I'd documented it, but then I looked at the test and that's not what it looked like at a glance.
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# [22:22] <@bz> hmm
# [22:22] <@bz> which test?
# [22:22] <sheppy> Never mind, I misread it.
# [22:22] <sheppy> I see it now. It's stringifying the response and comparing it to the original string that was sent. Duh.
# [22:22] <@bz> ok
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# [22:30] <sheppy> sicking: did you ever jot down anything that you can share with me about the chunked data stuff in bug 687087; you sent stuff to the webapps list but I don't have it. Figured that might be handy as I settle in to write about it.
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# [22:31] <sicking> sheppy: hmm. i never jotted anything down no. I forget what it was that you needed specifically
# [22:32] <sicking> sheppy: most of what i sent to the list was use cases
# [22:32] <sheppy> sicking: fear not, I never asked for anything. I just see a comment that you had emailed the webapps list and was hoping you could send me a copy if it has useful info on the implementation :)
# [22:32] <sheppy> Ah, okay.
# [22:32] <sheppy> Then I'll just poke at it then and see if it seeps into my brain.
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# [22:32] <sicking> sheppy: cool
# [22:32] <sicking> sheppy: one critical aspect of it is that we now fire "progress" events slightly differently
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# [22:33] <sicking> sheppy: it used to be that as we downloaded data we fired a "progress" event any time we received data, unless we had fired one in the last 50ms
# [22:33] <sheppy> right...
# [22:33] <sicking> sheppy: so if we received three packets 10ms apart we'd first fire an event for the first packet
# [22:34] <sicking> sheppy: when the second and third came in we wouldn't fire
# [22:34] <sicking> sheppy: but if we then didn't receive anything more for a while, we'd fire an event to represent the second and third packet 50ms after the first event
# [22:34] <bsmedberg> WARNING: No script language registered for this mime-type in nsDOMScriptObjectFactory.cpp
# [22:34] <bsmedberg> is that worrisome or normal?
# [22:34] <sheppy> I see it in comment 1… now we fire one on a load if there's data that's come in since the last time.
# [22:35] <sicking> sheppy: exactly!
# [22:35] <sicking> sheppy: this only affects what happens at the end of a download
# [22:35] <sheppy> OK, good deal. I probably won't get to writing this until Monday now but I'll possibly ping you if I have other questions once I really get into it.
# [22:35] <sicking> sheppy: basically, if we received a packet and then 10ms later received a packet and the connection immideately closed
# [22:36] <sicking> sheppy: then we wouldn't fire a "progress" event for the last packet. Just a "load" event
# [22:36] <sheppy> Ah, yeah.
# [22:36] <sicking> sheppy: but since we want to make it possible to process data only in "progress" events, we need to fire one of those right before the "load" event
# [22:36] <Asa> I'm afraid that IRCCloud has fixed what ever bug was causing my heap-unclassified memory usage to spin out of control
# [22:36] <sicking> sheppy: the important point is that listening to "progress" is enough. You'll always get notified about all data there
# [22:36] <Asa> or we fixed it. but it's no longer happening to me.
# [22:37] <sicking> sheppy: no need to process data in "load" events. In fact you can't as chunked data is only available while "progress" is fired
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# [22:38] <sheppy> sicking: awsesome, got it jotted down.
# [22:38] <sicking> sheppy: sweet, thanks!
# [22:38] <jlebar> doublec, ping?
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# [22:39] <mccr8> Asa: I don't think we fixed anything. ;) When did it stop happening for you? I think timeless was still hitting it as of yesterday.
# [22:40] <jlebar> or edmorley, yt?
# [22:40] <jlebar> er...no, edmorley unping
# [22:41] <edmorley> tab-complete? :-)
# [22:41] <jlebar> ttaubert, ping?
# [22:41] <jlebar> edmorley, no...I'm looking for someone who pushes to doublec's git m-c clone, but I misunderstood the page and thought that you do.
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# [22:42] <edmorley> ah :-)
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# [22:54] <doublec> jlebar: pong
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# [22:55] <jlebar> doublec, howdy.
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# [22:55] <jlebar> doublec, b2g uses your m-c git clone, but it's occasionally too out of date for our purposes. Would you mind giving a few of us push permissions, so we can update the repository when necessary?
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# [22:56] <jlebar> doublec, (subject to proving that we know what we're doing, which I'm not sure we do, yet. :)
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# [22:59] <doublec> jlebar: it updates every hour at the moment iirc
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# [22:59] <doublec> but I can give push permissions, that's fine
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# [22:59] <jlebar> doublec, once an hour is plenty...let me see if that's actually happening?
# [22:59] * jlebar may have been confused.
# [22:59] <doublec> jlebar: it started happening a couple of weeks ago
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# [23:00] <doublec> I'm running the update on a dedicated server I use for hosting and stuff in the states now
# [23:00] <doublec> before I was updating it as and when I needed
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# [23:05] <jlebar> doublec, So it appears that what I'm seeing is an artifact (bug) in github? The commit I want, git 43ba344f086, is in the git repository, but I don't see it on github.
# [23:05] <@dbaron> bz, might your logging problem had to do with newline confusion?
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# [23:06] <@dbaron> bz, I remember having problems with something silly like that the last time I used the tools on Windows
# [23:06] <jlebar> oh...maybe it's being collapsed?
# [23:06] <doublec> jlebar: is it recent? maybe the web stuff in github is delayed.
# [23:06] <jlebar> doublec, It's from yesterday, and there are newer commits.
# [23:07] <jlebar> doublec, does github only show things committed directly to m-c?
# [23:07] <@bz> dbaron: hmm
# [23:07] <@bz> dbaron: I could try stripping out newlines from the log....
# [23:07] <@bz> dbaron: lemme try that
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# [23:08] <jlebar> doublec, It's definitely here: https://github.com/doublec/mozilla-central/commit/43ba344f0
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# [23:09] <_KAMI_> hi! Do you have idea what happened: on the pane all of my folders are disappeared
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# [23:09] <_KAMI_> in THunderbird
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# [23:11] <bwinton> _KAMI_: Are you being serious?
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# [23:11] <bwinton> (Also, which version of Thunderbird are you using?)
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# [23:11] <doublec> jlebar: it's there but way down the list of commits
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# [23:12] <_KAMI_> I am using beta version
# [23:12] <jlebar> doublec, not under dec 1, you mean?
# [23:12] <_KAMI_> currently version 9.0
# [23:13] <mwu> oh wow, audio in data uris
# [23:13] <_KAMI_> 9.0~b2+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.1~mtn1
# [23:13] <mwu> er, wrong channel
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# [23:14] <doublec> jlebar: right
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# [23:15] <_KAMI_> bwinton: The Thunderbird itself is working: I can write a new letter, got nem mails, but I cant read my old e-mails because the tree is not shows any folders
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# [23:15] <doublec> jlebar: if you page through the commit list you'll see the dates are out of order
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# [23:15] <doublec> jlebar: due to the way merges from inbound/mozilla-central are handled
# [23:15] <jlebar> doublec, Yeah, I see that now. I thought I was imagining things. :)
# [23:16] <bwinton> _KAMI_: Hmm… I've just sent you a private message so that we don't bother the rest of the people here…
# [23:16] <jlebar> doublec, that's weird, but okay! Thanks for letting me know that the git repo is being updated automatically. That helps a lot.
# [23:16] <doublec> jlebar: if you do a 'git log' in your local repository and search for it you'll see it's *way* down the list
# [23:17] <jlebar> This is true.
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# [23:17] <@bz> dbaron: bingo!
# [23:17] <@bz> dbaron: we should fix this in the script....
# [23:17] <@dbaron> bz, yeah
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# [23:18] <@dbaron> bz, it may have something to do with how different versions of perl do newline handling on Windows
# [23:18] <@dbaron> bz, as in, maybe it used to work because we were using a perl that was more Windows-aware
# [23:18] <@bz> dbaron: certainly nuking the ^M made things work
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# [23:18] <@dbaron> bz, yeah
# [23:19] * @bz looks for a sane way to nuke ^M on Windows....
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# [23:19] <_KAMI_> bwinton: I cannot see your private message
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# [23:19] <@bz> my current approach of "scp to server X, then scp to the mac, then open in emacs and strip the CRs then scp to server X then scp to Windows" is suboptimal
# [23:19] <hub> bz: tr -d '\r'
# [23:19] * @bz tries
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# [23:20] <@bz> man
# [23:20] <hub> bz: with the appropriate < and >
# [23:20] <@bz> the lack of a comptr log still makes thise suck
# [23:20] <@bz> er, this
# [23:21] <_KAMI_> bwinton: I tried with safe mode and extensions disabled
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# [23:21] <_KAMI_> Also I created a clean new profile that has same silly behavior
# [23:22] <_KAMI_> Also I removed and reinstalled thunderbird on my Linux (TB comes from thunderbird-next ppa)
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# [23:23] <@dbaron> bz, it's possible some new MSVC version does that right
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# [23:24] <_KAMI_> bwinton: do you have any idea? Or should we textchat on gtalk or skype?
# [23:24] <@bz> dbaron: well, mine doesn't
# [23:24] <@bz> dbaron: not going to worry about that for the moment
# [23:24] <@dbaron> bz, you tested?
# [23:24] <@bz> dbaron: yep
# [23:24] <@bz> wel
# [23:24] <@bz> er, well
# [23:24] <@dbaron> (I wish we ran autoconf tests on Windows...)
# [23:24] <@bz> define tested?
# [23:24] <@bz> I defined COMPTR_LOG
# [23:24] <@bz> and got an error message about missing dynamic_cast
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# [23:25] <@dbaron> bz, we've never run autoconf tests for C++ features on Windows
# [23:25] <@dbaron> bz, it's all manual defines
# [23:25] <@dbaron> bz, so for new versions of MSVC we should recheck
# [23:26] <@dbaron> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cby9kycs.aspx makes it seem like it would be supported
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# [23:26] <@bz> hmm
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# [23:27] <gavin> why don't we run autoconf tests on windows?
# [23:27] <@dbaron> I don't recall.
# [23:27] <bwinton> _KAMI_: if you go to the View menu, and choose Folders, which entry has a checkmark beside it?
# [23:27] <@dbaron> I think it was a mix of "that would be more work to migrate to doing that" and maybe some actual technical difficulties.
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# [23:31] <_KAMI_> bwinton: View - Folders was on All, but I tried every other too
# [23:31] <_KAMI_> (nothing happened)
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# [23:32] <darktrojan> _KAMI_, if you put your mouse to the edge of the window do you get a resizing cursor?
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# [23:33] <_KAMI_> darktrojan: I started maximalized
# [23:34] <_KAMI_> but in normal size I can resize the whole window
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# [23:34] <darktrojan> not the window itself, just inside it
# [23:34] <darktrojan> is the folder tree collapsed to the side?
# [23:35] <_KAMI_> I can resize the folder tree panle
# [23:35] <darktrojan> or did I misunderstand
# [23:35] <_KAMI_> I see the pane itself but there is no folders appear on it
# [23:35] <darktrojan> ok, ignore me then
# [23:35] <_KAMI_> should I send a screenshot?
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# [23:38] <_KAMI_> bwinton: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/111202/thunderbird9problem_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
# [23:38] <_KAMI_> darktrojan: here is a screenshot
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# [23:41] <bwinton> _KAMI_: Well, that's definitely a bug, and one I haven't seen before. Could you file it in bugzilla, attach the screenshot, and cc myself, Mike Conley, and Chris Coulson?
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# [23:46] <bear> status update for those following the drama that is our day today: parts have arrived for the NFS server and they are being installed now
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# [23:47] <darktrojan> you mean the bustage is actually bustage?
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# [23:49] <rhelmer> btw - graphs-new.m.o is going down for ~10 minutes
# [23:49] <rhelmer> getting ready to switch it over to graphs.m.o soon
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# [23:51] <bear> darktrojan - yes, NFS server drive controller is being replaced
# [23:53] <bear> status update: realize that once the hardware has been replaced they will be doing diagnostics to the drive array before bringing it back up
# [23:53] <bear> fsck and other tools on that large of a drive array will take many hours
# [23:53] <@bz> hmm
# [23:54] <@bz> with pymake, these windows builds don't actually take that long...
# [23:54] <_KAMI_> bwinton_away: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707329
# [23:54] <_KAMI_> Now I have to go bye
# [23:54] <mak> bz: 17 mins for a clobber, is pretty good
# [23:54] <_KAMI_> thank you in advance
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