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# Session Start: Sat Dec 03 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:16] <@bz> um
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# [00:19] <@bz> is the web console keybinding broken on trunk?
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# [00:21] <Mossop> robcee: ^^
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# [00:22] <mib_1egzoy> so is there any place where we can download a working e10s build?
# [00:22] <Mossop> Define "working"
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# [00:25] <mib_1egzoy> uhh.. anything that opens a separate process for content and for the main process. I'm not really well informed on where this project currently is
# [00:27] <mib_1egzoy> ok, new question: what will I get if I follow all the instructions here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Build ?
# [00:27] <Mossop> Well, we have largely moved away from working on e10s right now. There are some very very early test build that were around for a while that kind of let you browse I believe, but not very well
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# [00:33] <mib_1egzoy> As far as I could see, the plan was to put the message manager between the content and the chrome, right? So, what was the problem with that? Isn't that enough? If you have the message manager in place everywhere, than isn't the problem solved?
# [00:34] <darktrojan> easier said than done
# [00:34] <Mossop> Everywhere is a *lot* of places
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# [00:34] <mib_1egzoy> ohh.
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# [00:34] <Mossop> And a lot of those places are currently synchronous calls and we only get improvements by converting them to asynchronous calls
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# [00:35] <Mossop> Which is even more work
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# [00:37] <Mossop> hg qpush
# [00:37] <Mossop> Gah
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# [00:37] <jhammel> Mossop: thought you could fix e10s just like that, eh? ;)
# [00:37] <Mossop> It was worth a try dammit!
# [00:37] <jhammel> heh
# [00:38] <Mossop> I really wish windows would go semi-transparent when not focused or something
# [00:38] <jhammel> hack X windows? ;)
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# [00:38] <Mossop> Sounds fun, probably doesn't help me on Windows 8 though
# [00:38] <jhammel> ratz
# [00:38] <Mossop> Err 7
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# [00:39] <jhammel> its probably about as fun as hacking xpcom....depends on how masochistic you are
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# [00:39] <jhammel> so hack the windows 7 source...oh wait...
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# [00:47] <Asa> dbaron: do you know if this first example is supported in Gecko m-c? It doesn't seem to work for me but I could be using it wrong. http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-lists/#introduction
# [00:47] <@dbaron> Asa, no, we don't support ::marker but we support the rest of it
# [00:47] <@dbaron> Asa, er, we don't support the magic 'list-item' counter either
# [00:48] <@dbaron> Asa, there are bugs on both, I think, though
# [00:48] <Asa> ok. just found this one https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205202
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# [00:48] <Asa> I was really excited about the possibility of styling list items with parens around them.
# [00:49] <Asa> but nothing I do works so I guess I go to list style type none and put them in the markup.
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# [00:50] <Asa> unless anyone knows of a better solution
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# [00:58] <Ms2ger> Asa, ::before with counters, perhaps
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# [01:02] <Callek> Asa: ::before with content: and counters should work
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# [01:04] <Asa> Ms2ger: Callek to get a parenthesis on both sides of the list item numeral? I'm not sure I see how that would work. could you give me an example?
# [01:04] * Callek is looking up stuff on w3c to do just that, since I don't work heavily with that syntax
# [01:04] <Ms2ger> Syntax is probably wrong, but...
# [01:05] <Ms2ger> li::before { content: "(" counter(list) ")"; }
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# [01:05] <Ms2ger> And ol { counter-reset: list; }
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# [01:07] * Asa will give that a try
# [01:07] <Asa> thanks Ms2ger and Callek
# [01:07] <lsblakk|buildduty> is there a sheriff about?
# [01:08] <Ms2ger> dholbert?
# [01:09] <dholbert> hi!
# [01:09] <dholbert> I'm nominally sheriff, yes
# [01:09] <Callek> Ms2ger: do we support http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-lists-20110524/#marker-pseudoelement yet btw?
# [01:09] <philor> wow, that schedule still exists?
# [01:09] <lsblakk|buildduty> dholbert: hi - i'm just checking in about re-opening
# [01:09] <dholbert> though the tree was closed and buildduty was working on the (hardware) issue when I arrived at the office, so I haven't had much sheriffing to do. :)
# [01:09] <Ms2ger> <dbaron> Asa, no, we don't support ::marker but we support the rest of it
# [01:09] <lsblakk|buildduty> i'm going to trigger some new builds
# [01:09] <lsblakk|buildduty> so that we get them on the right storage, then no more burning
# [01:09] <dholbert> lsblakk|buildduty, I haven't been paying much attention, but I trust your judgement - any questions in particular?
# [01:10] <dholbert> lsblakk|buildduty, that sounds like a good idea
# [01:10] <Ms2ger> Also, http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-lists/
# [01:10] <lsblakk|buildduty> do you have a preference if i wait to open the tree or do it at the same time
# [01:10] <lsblakk|buildduty> as triggering the new ones?
# [01:10] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [01:10] <Callek> Ms2ger: hahaha and yes, looking at that doc certainly gives that exact example - ::marker
# [01:10] <Ms2ger> Contributors:
# [01:10] <Ms2ger> Simon Montagu, AOL-TW/Netscape, smontagu@netscape.com
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# [01:10] <lsblakk|buildduty> dholbert: should be ok to reopen while they build
# [01:10] <Ms2ger> philor, oh, all the burning is yours? ;)
# [01:11] <dholbert> lsblakk|buildduty, that sounds OK to me, particularly given that the latest m-c checkin is a merge from a green m-i cset
# [01:11] <lsblakk|buildduty> k
# [01:11] <philor> lsblakk|buildduty: you can reopen, m-c's close enough and inbound is fine, have to look at how my beta and aurora retriggers have done
# [01:11] <philor> Ms2ger: sometimes it takes me a while to grasp "the build isn't there, so the tests aren't going to run"
# [01:11] <lsblakk|buildduty> re-building anything that burned should put the needed files on the HA disk
# [01:12] <Asa> Ms2ger: yeah. I want all of that css3-lists stuff
# [01:13] <philor> good thing there weren't many approvals kicking around, since m-a and m-b stayed open
# [01:13] <dumitru> rhelmer: and all, graphs-new.m.o is back online
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# [01:13] <dumitru> MORE POWERFUL THAN EVER
# [01:14] <Asa> li::before { content: "(" counter(list) ")"; } doesn't really work to replace the li numeral, it just ads a (0) to the right of it.
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# [01:16] * edmorley changes topic to 'mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
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# [01:19] <dumitru> rhelmer: Removed: varnish.x86_64 0:2.1.5-1.el6
# [01:19] <dumitru> Complete!
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# [01:20] <lsblakk|buildduty> trees are open
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# [01:21] <@dbaron> Asa, yeah, combined with list-style-type:none, but instead of actually putting it in the content
# [01:21] <@dbaron> Asa, and you'd need to use counter-reset and counter-increment, e.g., ul { counter-reset: mylist } li { counter-increment: mylist }
# [01:22] <Ms2ger> Ah, counter-increment
# [01:22] * Ms2ger forgot about that
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# [01:24] <espindola> dbaron, you want me to use "return _URC_FOREIGN_EXCEPTION_CAUGHT;"?
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# [01:24] <@dbaron> espindola, doesn't matter, but if you use a raw number put the name in a comment
# [01:24] <espindola> ok
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# [01:30] <Asa> dbaron: Ms2ger: can you give me the css? I've tried with the counter-reset and increment and the counter(list) but I can't make it go.
# [01:30] <espindola> dbaron, the line you asked to wrap is 78 columns, how many do we use in commit messages?
# [01:30] <Asa> I'm not that good at this stuff.
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# [01:31] <Ms2ger> Asa, try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1390742 ?
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# [01:32] <@dbaron> espindola, 78 is ok, it's just the rest of the message looks like it's 72
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# [01:32] <Asa> Ms2ger: thanks!
# [01:32] <cl> bz_dinner: ping when you're done eating
# [01:32] <@dbaron> espindola, so it looked odd
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# [01:32] <espindola> just a consequence of the long symbol name just before it
# [01:32] <Ms2ger> If it still doesn't work, I'll need to test :)
# [01:33] <Asa> Ms2ger: brilliant! perfect
# [01:33] <Asa> it works exactly right.
# [01:33] <Asa> that should go up in some "awesome css tricks" website. The web apparently doesn't know how to do this (trust me, I searched first)
# [01:33] <Ms2ger> You get them inline instead of in the margin, of course; that's hard to get right without ::marker support
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# [01:34] <Asa> yeah. that's no problem. I can sort that out.
# [01:34] <Asa> thanks, dbaron and Ms2ger
# [01:34] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [01:45] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: we still get "log not available" on pushes
# [01:46] <mak> well and bsterne forgot to push tests
# [01:46] <mak> is he on irc?
# [01:46] <Callek> mak: is the ftp dir still 403, or is it that the log is just not (yet) uploaded?
# [01:47] <lsblakk|buildduty> ftp dir shouldn't be 403
# [01:47] <mak> ftp seem to work but the dir is not found
# [01:47] * Callek has a funny feeling we're just waiting for the command queue to catch up
# [01:48] <Callek> which is a separate process on the buildbot systems that uploads logs
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# [01:48] <lsblakk|buildduty> good point
# [01:48] <bsterne> was someone looking for me? (I forgot to push tests apparently?)
# [01:48] <mak> regardless, that changeset has to be backed out
# [01:48] <gavin> the ftp mount had trouble about 2 hours ago, right?
# [01:48] <lsblakk|buildduty> it started at noon Pacific
# [01:48] <mak> bsterne: yeah, your push is missing tests, and thus burning
# [01:48] <Callek> bsterne: yep, mak just pinked you about that
# [01:48] <Callek> :-)
# [01:48] <bsterne> doh
# [01:49] <Callek> s/pink/pinged/
# [01:49] <mak> all failures report Log not available, fwiw, apart Android!
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# [01:50] <bsterne> is the procedure that I get backed out, or just push the missing tests?
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# [01:50] <mak> bsterne: I think, considered the emergency situation, is safer to backout
# [01:50] <mak> we don't have failure logs
# [01:51] <bsterne> okay
# [01:51] <lsblakk|buildduty> they are compile fails
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# [01:52] <mak> yes, does that change something for logs?
# [01:52] <lsblakk|buildduty> bsterne: No rule to make target `test_bug702439.html'.
# [01:52] <lsblakk|buildduty> no, just wanted to let you know what it was
# [01:52] <lsblakk|buildduty> the logs are probably on their way
# [01:52] <mak> yes, he forgot to push tests with the patch
# [01:52] <bsterne> yeah, I forgot to hg add the test files, so that makes sense
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# [01:53] <bsterne> lsblakk|buildduty: so to be clear, I should back out, rather than push the tests, both will acheive greenness in the same time, right?
# [01:53] <espindola> are the bots working?
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# [01:53] <espindola> I cannot get the logs
# [01:54] <mak> we are missing the logs
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# [01:55] <lsblakk|buildduty> bsterne: yes, both same time
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# [01:55] <mak> espindola: for now you can check Android xul for the logs, it's the only platform with logs
# [01:55] <bsterne> lsblakk|buildduty: so push the tests then? that saves me a push later if it's okay with you
# [01:56] <lsblakk|buildduty> bsterne: wfm
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# [01:57] <espindola> No rule to make target `test_bug702439.html'
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# [01:57] <espindola> mak, thanks
# [01:57] <mak> espindola: yes, we know :)
# [01:57] <Callek> espindola: yea, that red is being worked on
# [01:57] <espindola> is it possible to check if it is the same error everywhere?
# [01:57] <Callek> espindola: also logs are delayed, (I think they are not missing)
# [01:57] <espindola> ah
# [01:57] <espindola> should we close the tree?
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# [01:57] <mak> well they are delayed enough to make the thing worrisome
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# [02:03] <bsterne> lsblakk|buildduty: pushed. Sorry for the trouble.
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# [02:04] <lsblakk|buildduty> espindola: no, we don't need to close the tree again
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# [02:04] <lsblakk|buildduty> the logs might be held up by some cycling on mysql that just went by in #buildduty - let's see what happens to bsterne's new push
# [02:06] <espindola> ok. thanks
# [02:07] <dholbert> taras, where does telemetry data go? if I add telemetry for something, how do I see its results (for users other than myself)?
# [02:07] <taras> dholbert: funny link, real results: http://tinyurl.com/makeTarasHappy
# [02:08] <dholbert> taras, nice
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# [02:10] <taras> thanks dholbert
# [02:10] <dholbert> taras, np
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# [02:20] <lsblakk|buildduty> now that bsterne's second push is in, things are looking more promising
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# [02:29] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: I still see Log not available, even on green results
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# [02:35] <lsblakk|buildduty> there's definitely some confusion in tbpl's inner working
# [02:35] <lsblakk|buildduty> it's trying to access logs for builds that dont' exist yet
# [02:35] <lsblakk|buildduty> but there is a log for the recent android: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7715378&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [02:36] <mak> Android never lost logs
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# [02:36] <mak> all the other platforms did
# [02:36] <philor> looks to me like the most recent thing in http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-inbound-linux/ is noonish
# [02:36] <lsblakk|buildduty> hm, ok - so those are in /mobile w
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# [02:37] <mak> cool now we have a red but we don't know why :)
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# [02:37] <taras> luke: do you think it's realistic to time how long we spend in js
# [02:37] <taras> via telemetry
# [02:37] <taras> to see whether we should pursue green threads
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# [02:38] <luke> taras: it's pretty easy to measure entry and exit
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# [02:39] <taras> i'm wondering about overhead/overcounting(ie due to nested event loops or jumping into dom reflows)
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# [02:39] <luke> taras: i've done that
# [02:39] <luke> taras: you just need to catch the exit points (mostly xpconnect natives)
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# [02:39] <taras> luke: i feel like unless we have interruptable js, we will always compete(and loose) with webpage js
# [02:40] <luke> although there are a few holes where execution can leak out and count against JS incorrectly
# [02:40] <taras> this would let us throttle background tabs, etc
# [02:40] <luke> taras: yeah. we were hoping for e10s to fix that ...
# [02:40] <taras> right
# [02:41] <luke> taras: no use mourning that. yeah, i have no doubt that js is causing some set of users' jank
# [02:41] <taras> luke: do you mind if i file this time-spent-in-js telemetry against you?
# [02:41] <taras> as a way to see how much win green threads would be
# [02:41] <luke> taras: so what would a telemetry ping contain?
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# [02:42] <taras> 2 numbers would be useful
# [02:42] <taras> a) time spent in pure js
# [02:42] <taras> b) time spent with js waiting on something
# [02:42] <taras> those would both be histograms
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# [02:44] <luke> taras: so if we see the distributions we expect (mostly low-time in JS, but some huge spike), how will we know when the green threads thing is "worth it"
# [02:44] <luke> ?
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# [02:44] <philor> lsblakk|buildduty: oh! - http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-inbound-linux/
# [02:44] <luke> taras: it seems we'd learn more by just instrumenting a browser and looking at the top 100 sites
# [02:44] <lsblakk|buildduty> philor: yes :)
# [02:45] <philor> stage and ftp are no longer the same thing, so you upload to stage just fine, and we don't see it
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# [02:45] <lsblakk|buildduty> we're asking IT to get the ftp mount worked out now
# [02:45] <taras> luke: telemetry is an easy real world usecase
# [02:45] <luke> taras: but what will it tell us in this specific case that we don't already know? "sometimes JS takes a long long time"
# [02:45] <Callek> philor: wait stage and ftp don't sync anymore?
# [02:45] <taras> well, it would tell us that js takes a long time
# [02:45] <taras> the ranges of time it takes
# [02:45] <luke> we know that it does
# [02:45] <Callek> as in if I upload to stage it doesn't necessarily show up on ft[?
# [02:45] <taras> luke: we do?
# [02:46] <taras> i dont know how typical proportion of user's time spent in js
# [02:46] <taras> i also dont know how much of is that shitty blocking apis called from js
# [02:46] <luke> taras: sure, sometimes
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# [02:47] <taras> luke: that's not clear to me
# [02:47] <luke> taras: i guess i kinda know what the resulting distribution will look like (by far most JS executions complete in < 1ms) and i dont know how it would inform our decision
# [02:47] <taras> i dont know how much time is reflows, how much is js..i know how much time io takes
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# [02:47] <taras> luke: i guess i'm looking for the distribution of long waits
# [02:47] <Callek> philor: do we have a bug# for that change?
# [02:47] <taras> ie if multisecond waits are frequent
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# [02:48] <lsblakk|buildduty> Callek: that's not accurate - there's been no "change" - the mounts are being fixed
# [02:48] <luke> taras: that sounds more like a question of "what % of pageloads involve event-loop pauses > Xms"
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# [02:49] <Callek> lsblakk|buildduty: ahhhh somehow I thought it was fixed (again)
# [02:49] <luke> and then break that down into categories (js, layout, etc)
# [02:49] <Callek> thanks :-)
# [02:50] <luke> or something
# [02:51] <taras> luke: page stealing cpu cycles from background
# [02:51] <taras> is still interesting
# [02:51] <taras> i guess what we really need is ability to piechart time away from main thread
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# [02:52] <luke> taras: dmandelin have talked a couple times about measurements we could do via telemetry, but we keep coming back to basic questions like "ok, so we'll get that number.. what does that tell us?"
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# [02:55] <taras> luke: i dont see it this way
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# [02:55] <taras> luke: if the number tells us we block a lot in js
# [02:56] <taras> clearly we need to break up js execution
# [02:56] <taras> if it tells us we spend a lot in svg layout
# [02:56] <luke> taras: how do you define 'a lot' ?
# [02:56] <taras> we need to break that up
# [02:56] <taras> luke: relative to other costs
# [02:56] <luke> taras: great, this is what i was getting at with the %'s i mentioned earlier
# [02:56] <taras> ie if we spend 5% on rendering html and 95% on js...clearly js is what we need to focus
# [02:56] <taras> right
# [02:56] <taras> thus my piechart comment
# [02:57] <luke> yep. i was in agreement with that
# [02:57] <taras> oh ok
# [02:57] <luke> just explaining why i was trying to dig down into 'what are we actually measuring here'
# [02:57] <luke> b/c 'time in js' is a bit too nebulous
# [02:57] <taras> right
# [02:57] <taras> and you've convinced me
# [02:58] <taras> i think a profiler should be able to do this
# [02:58] <luke> '% time in js of pageloads which block the event loop for > Xms' is attractive
# [02:58] <taras> ie benoit's sampling profiler
# [02:58] <luke> cool
# [02:58] <taras> luke: i agree with what you said
# [02:58] <taras> except for pageloads
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# [02:59] <luke> hah, you're right, there are lots of interactions of interest
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# [02:59] <taras> ok
# [02:59] <taras> so i'll file a more general bug
# [02:59] <taras> and will look at it again on monday to see if we can do this the general way
# [03:00] <taras> vs js/layout/etc-specific
# [03:00] <luke> taras: i wonder if it's possible to determine whether "the user is waiting". b/c i don't mind letting JS take its sweet time if i don't have an event or animation pending
# [03:00] <taras> luke: yeah there is a funny situation with that
# [03:00] <taras> if we are blocking the event loop
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# [03:00] <taras> i'm not sure if there a way to know how long the os had to wait for us
# [03:00] <taras> to deliver an event
# [03:00] <Callek> ok, experts, hg/mq question
# [03:01] <taras> bbondy: ^
# [03:01] <Callek> I have a tip patch, already refreshed, etc.
# [03:01] <Callek> where I have moved (renamed) files
# [03:01] <taras> can windows tell us how long it took for us to service an event?
# [03:01] <Callek> HOW do I tell hg (in MQ) that I actually want those files tracked as renames?
# [03:01] <taras> luke: we can do a crappy version of that. but only timing code within our event handlers
# [03:01] <Callek> |hg rename --after from to| isn't working because hg seems to think its already comitted
# [03:02] <taras> luke: but it would be nicer to get the OS-level view
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# [03:04] <bjacob> hey, JS question
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# [03:04] <bjacob> i have 2 different JS objects X and Y
# [03:04] <bjacob> X === Y is false
# [03:04] <bjacob> I do:
# [03:04] <bjacob> X.foo = "a";
# [03:05] <bjacob> Y.foo = "a";
# [03:05] <bjacob> I expected X.foo === Y.foo to be false
# [03:05] <bjacob> but it's true
# [03:05] <bjacob> is this expected?
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# [03:05] <Callek> from what I know, yes. because String("a") === String("a"); always
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# [03:05] <Callek> and thats essentially what you're doing
# [03:06] <bjacob> Callek: is this specific to strings? is this specific to firefox?
# [03:06] <Callek> I think there is a way to override that, so it doesn't === but not sure how top of my head
# [03:06] <Callek> I *think* its meant to be interoperable
# [03:06] <Callek> === is not pointer-compare, its type-compare
# [03:07] <Callek> where foo = false; foo == undefined is true, but foo === undefined is false
# [03:07] <bjacob> hm
# [03:07] <Callek> does that make sense?
# [03:07] <bjacob> i replaced the string "a" by a struct object, {a:1, b:2} and now === is false
# [03:08] <Callek> yea, structs are not === alike, as each struct instantiation is essentially a new anonymouse type
# [03:08] <Callek> aiui
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# [03:09] <bjacob> even for empty array, [], it works
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# [03:09] <bjacob> ^ ah ok so a struct is definitely what i want here
# [03:09] <Callek> bjacob: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Comparison_Operators
# [03:09] <Callek> |Two strings are strictly equal when they have the same sequence of characters, same length, and same characters in corresponding positions.|
# [03:09] <bjacob> i want something that's not mozilla specific, as that's for a conformance test
# [03:10] <bjacob> ah ok
# [03:10] <Callek> bjacob: |Two objects are strictly equal if they refer to the same Object.|
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# [03:10] <bbondy> taras: Sorry do you mean how long we take to process a windows message?
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# [03:10] <Callek> so my latter point was slightly incorrect, (mostly in my choice of wording)
# [03:10] <bjacob> Callek: how mozilla-specific is this info?
# [03:11] <Callek> the JS reference tries to not be mozilla-specific but does still document mozilla-specific-isms
# [03:11] <bbondy> of do you mean our internal event handling code not windows specific
# [03:11] <Callek> so as a conformance test this should be fine
# [03:11] <bbondy> *of -> or
# [03:11] <mak> lsblakk|buildduty: hey I'm starting seeing some logs!
# [03:11] <taras> bbondy: yes
# [03:11] <bbondy> which one
# [03:11] <bjacob> ok
# [03:11] <lsblakk|buildduty> mak: yes!
# [03:11] <lsblakk|buildduty> bug 707390 is fixing the ftp logs
# [03:11] <bbondy> taras: I said X or Y and you said yes
# [03:12] <taras> i only see < bbondy> taras: Sorry do you mean how long we take to process a windows message?
# [03:12] <bbondy> i meant X xor Y :)
# [03:12] <bbondy> [21:05:50] <bbondy> or do you mean our internal event handling code not windows specific
# [03:12] <bbondy> ok so the first
# [03:12] <taras> bbondy: yes
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# [03:13] <bbondy> well we can track it easily if not
# [03:13] <taras> because we could be undercounting by only looking at our own event loop
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# [03:13] <taras> though i guess i'm overthinking this
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# [03:14] <bbondy> i was thinking of profiling our windows message handling
# [03:14] <taras> if an event handler was preceeded by a long time away from event loop, we have a pretty good chance of not responding usefully to user input
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# [03:15] <bbondy> ya
# [03:16] <lsblakk|buildduty> ok, trees can be opened again
# [03:16] <Callek> re: my hg Q above, found http://answerpot.com/showthread.php?427361-fixing+unrecorded+renames+in+mq+patches
# [03:17] <Callek> (which ironically starts with a reply that included one of my own messages from the past)
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# [03:19] <lurking> lsblakk|buildduty: if I'm reading all this right - there was a double-fail of a redundant system ? OUch
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# [03:30] <Ameya> Do you know how to track anyone who accesses any component ????
# [03:30] <KWierso> ooh, bad form, manycam installer... I opted OUT of you installing the ask toolbar for me, yet you went ahead and did it anyway?
# [03:30] <KWierso> for shame
# [03:31] <Ameya> I mean... when we write this "var cookieMgr = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/cookiemanager;1"] .getService(Components.interfaces.nsICookieManager); "
# [03:31] <Ameya> to get cookie...is it possible to track who called this...?
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# [03:32] <Ameya> I think ..something can be done in spidermonkey code..
# [03:32] <Ameya> What do you think people...
# [03:33] <KWierso> I think it's 6:30PM on a friday or later for a good number of mozilla people
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# [03:35] <Ameya> what time is it then???
# [03:36] <Ameya> bcoz I m not in same timezone...
# [03:36] <Callek> well its 9:30 pm eastern USA, which means 6:30 pm in Mountain View California
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# [03:37] <Ameya> Well then its right time....
# [03:37] <Ameya> correct ???
# [03:38] <Callek> I think KWierso was suggesting that it might be harder/longer to get an answer at this time
# [03:38] <Callek> since many people work USA workweek-workdays
# [03:38] <Callek> s/work/are here/ as appropriate
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# [03:38] <Ameya> Ohho..ok
# [03:39] <Callek> my theory is that you can get the JS callstack easily, the downside of course is if there is no JS callstack and/or that you can have a callstack but its actually called from other C/C++ etc.
# [03:39] <Callek> so not exactly an easy solution, imo.
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# [03:45] <Ameya> can you elaborate ?...Bcoz at one place
# [03:46] <Ameya> i read that there are flags such as JSFILENAME_NULL=0xffffffff ,JSFILENAME_SYSTEM=0x00000001 are used to differentiate null & system[ means browser's] scripts
# [03:46] <Ameya> in jsdbgapi.h
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# [03:47] <Ameya> if i can add one more for extensions then?
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# [03:52] <KWierso> Ameya: you might have better luck asking in #introduction
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# [04:10] <espindola> cool, looks like bots and logs are back :-)
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# [04:34] <philor> oops
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# [04:34] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/leak-analysis/?id=7717240&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [04:36] <philor> and, oh joy, logs from before the mount shuffle are no longer available?
# [04:37] <Callek> philor: tinderbox-builds/old should be
# [04:37] <Callek> aiui
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# [04:39] <philor> bsterne, mak, gavin, espindola, who wants to own up to leaking the world in browser-chrome?
# [04:40] <espindola> link?
# [04:40] <Callek> espindola: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/leak-analysis/?id=7717240&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [04:40] <Callek> just before you joined
# [04:40] <espindola> if it is OS X only it might be me
# [04:40] <espindola> if not it is unlikely
# [04:40] <espindola> Could not find log file in cache for id: 7717240
# [04:42] <philor> it's not, and I don't much like you for it anyway
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# [04:43] <philor> might like gavin better, but the string part of https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79c9926f0f45 makes me want to back it out
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# [04:44] <Callek> ugh -- well that string issue is an easy fix though
# [04:44] <Callek> but yea, as-is is bad
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# [04:53] * philor looks at the patches in bug 702439
# [04:53] * philor looks at the push
# [04:53] * philor looks at the patches in bug 702439
# [04:54] <philor> ...
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# [05:02] <philor> I don't think the veins on my forehead are supposed to do this
# [05:02] <jcranmer> not the same patch?
# [05:03] <aki> fyi https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707393#c1
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# [05:08] <philor> I don't suppose there's any transparent way to do that, which doesn't break tbpl?
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# [05:08] <aki> ?
# [05:08] <aki> already done >1hr ago
# [05:09] <aki> should be any missing codesighs etc logs, but some may be old
# [05:10] <philor> yeah, I was looking at #c0 rather than #c1
# [05:11] <philor> but it's such a pita to go back 12 hours in tbpl, much less 4 days, that I really don't care
# [05:15] <aki> we're going to softlink i think
# [05:15] <aki> though i may be wrong
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# [05:32] <dougt> aki: ping?
# [05:33] <dougt> or anyone really... how do we disable the commit hook?
# [05:34] <dougt> i am landing birch, and we had commits (before the hook) that don't have the proper comment.
# [05:37] <deLta30> can anybody tell me reason of this error? /home/jiten/mozilla/src/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSCallbacks.cpp:79:21: fatal error: sslimpl.h: No such file or directory
# [05:37] <deLta30> I have tried to add sslimpl.h to local includes in make file in src/security/manager/ssl/src but that won't work
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# [05:39] <philor> dougt: I think the howto disable is on devmo, somewhere
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# [05:40] <philor> dougt: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Committing_Rules_and_Responsibilities#Commit_Message_Restrictions
# [05:40] <aki> you're landing birch to m-c ?
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# [05:43] <WeirdAl> Tree closed for redness?
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# [05:43] <dougt> aki: pushed to try.
# [05:44] <aki> k
# [05:44] <dougt> philor: nice.. thanks
# [05:44] <WeirdAl> or for something else?
# [05:44] <aki> hm, philor set the /topic . philor?
# [05:44] <philor> for not having force-refreshed tbpl for hours? don't know of any that are closed right now
# [05:44] <philor> oh, that old thing?
# [05:45] <aki> looks like the topic isn't up tod ate
# [05:45] <aki> to date
# [05:45] * philor changes topic to 'mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
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# [05:45] <WeirdAl> I just see a ton of red on tbpl for the latest push
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# [05:46] <WeirdAl> what happened?
# [05:46] <philor> yeah, that's because nobody but me would ever star such a thing, and nobody really cares whether or not they push into unstarred red, so even I haven't bothered
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# [05:46] <philor> ftp.m.o's disk died, recovered, died
# [05:46] <aki> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707270 happened
# [05:46] <aki> but is better now
# [05:47] <WeirdAl> ok, so it's not a real broken build
# [05:47] <philor> I was going to push something to get a clean build, but then backouts
# [05:48] <philor> eh, not even 9 yet, I can always sleep after I die from lack thereof
# [05:48] <WeirdAl> so is it going to compile and pass the regular tests, or not?
# [05:49] <philor> oh, you mean "should I personally pull it?"?
# [05:49] <WeirdAl> yes
# [05:49] <philor> yeah, nothing wrong with it, it's a merge from green
# [05:49] <WeirdAl> ok
# [05:50] <philor> I do vaguely remember people asking that, rather than "that looks even crappier than usual, should I push into it?" but the latter is vastly, infinitely, more common anymore
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# [05:52] <WeirdAl> heh, well, I just want to make sure I still have a good baseline.
# [05:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/221fda18e706 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 513558 - test_contextmenu.html has lost its Linux privileges
# [05:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9740118b9dcc - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 683048 - Disable the too-mittently-failing bug602141-3.html on Windows
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# [05:53] <darktrojan> nice stray character :)
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# [05:55] <darktrojan> that is pretty
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# [06:02] <philor> okay world, go ahead and get that orange debug oth into tbpl's hands so I can see that we're still leaking
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# [06:07] <mbrubeck> yup
# [06:07] <philor> next witch on the ducking stool: gavin
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# [06:11] <mbrubeck> remember the glory days of the war on orange, when ehsan almost got it down below 1.0 oranges per push?
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# [06:11] <philor> vaguely
# [06:11] <philor> very very vaguely
# [06:12] <philor> these days, I'm happy when it's one orange per letter
# [06:12] <nigelb> Is there a way to get information about slowness for a bug report?
# [06:12] <nigelb> Its hard to file a bug saying things are slow and hanging :)
# [06:13] <philor> flip the pref to turn your hangs into crashes?
# [06:13] <philor> if nothing else, it makes you really prefer hangs
# [06:13] <nigelb> heh
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# [06:14] <nigelb> I would prefer crashes, so I can know what's going wrong.
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# [06:16] <KWierso> nigelb: except when I installed an update to Firefox and it crashed while doing post-update stuff on me because it was "hung"
# [06:16] <nigelb> oh. Ouch :P
# [06:16] <nigelb> whats the pref name?
# [06:16] <philor> hangmonitor.timeout - it was 30 before it drove too many people crazy
# [06:17] <nigelb> Google didn't find it for me.
# [06:17] <KWierso> it's new as of a few days ago
# [06:17] <nigelb> Ah. This is Aurora, I don't see a pref :(
# [06:17] <nigelb> I should switch to using nightlies.
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# [06:20] <Callek> hrm I wonder if I should worry:
# [06:20] <Callek> 2,362.02 MB -- heap-allocated
# [06:20] <Callek> 2,504.86 MB -- heap-committed
# [06:20] <Callek> in 8 Beta
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# [06:20] <KWierso> 8?
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# [06:21] <Callek> KWierso: Firefox 8 Beta :-P
# [06:21] <Callek> err no 9
# [06:21] <Callek> duh
# [06:21] <KWierso> :P
# [06:22] <Callek> but yea, about 2GB heap is scary
# [06:22] <KWierso> yeah, 7 and 8 were pretty good with memory usage, it creeped back up for me in 9, and then back down from 10 on
# [06:22] <Callek> 2,644.11 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
# [06:22] <Callek> well I also have LOTS of tabs and windows open
# [06:22] <Callek> and I do mean LOTS
# [06:23] <Callek> nevermind cZ-in-firefox rather than XULRunner on this machine
# [06:23] <Callek> just purged almost 100 MB of explicit with GC/CC runs
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# [06:24] <Callek> p.p.s. I think I'm getting near the 32-bit process OOM state, aiui: |3,496.43 MB -- vsize|
# [06:24] <KWierso> yeah, don't worry, you'll trigger a crash soon enough
# [06:24] <KWierso> :)
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# [06:24] <Callek> KWierso: exactly
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# [06:25] <Callek> KWierso: not counting the window I have about:memory loaded in, I have 10 windows open, all with lots of tabs, some with multiple panorama views, etc.
# [06:25] <KWierso> that'll teach you
# [06:26] <Callek> if I could manage windows with panorama and drag tabs/groups between them I think I could manage this mess MUCH better
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# [06:26] <Callek> been waiting for that panorama "fix" ever since it landed
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# [06:26] <jesup> Callek - you should install glandium's Tab Stats 0.0.2 (linked from his blog)
# [06:27] <jesup> Makes it easier to impress people with how many tabs you have open (and how many dups you have)
# [06:27] <Callek> jesup: I had Tab Stats at one point, I think I dropped it for one reason or another, can't recall now
# [06:28] <Callek> but I'll go find it now
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# [06:31] <jcranmer|away> I'm at 27 tabs right now, but that's only because I'm just finishing up a work session
# [06:33] <Callek> jesup: ok, not as bad as I suspected, but I also did a bit of cleaning 2 days ago: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1391018
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# [06:35] <jesup> I disabled extensions on the "main" browser instance, but last I looked it was around 750 tabs in 19 windows - though probably <100 loaded. 400 on another machine; a mere 70 in this one.
# [06:35] <jcranmer|away> you guys are masochists
# [06:36] <jcranmer|away> I want to get my tab count back below 20
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# [06:36] <KWierso> I have... 9 app tabs and anywhere from 3 to 10 full tabs at any given time
# [06:36] <KWierso> usually closer to 3
# [06:37] <jcranmer|away> I count by perma-tabs: how many I have when opening up FF
# [06:37] <jesup> I'm a tab hoarder. :-) In reality, I tend to use them as a combination of "to be read later" queues and focused sets of research on a topic I'm keeping around until I'm done with them.
# [06:38] <jcranmer|away> since I can easily open up twelve to fifteen tabs at once when doing work
# [06:38] <jcranmer|away> or over 30 reading WP
# [06:38] <jesup> Some of my "to be read" tabs have been "open" for a few years... I'll read them - eventually
# [06:39] <jcranmer|away> that's my old laptop
# [06:39] <jcranmer|away> I started a new set when I get the new one
# [06:39] <jesup> Before BarTab (in 3.x) I was forced to stay under 200 (usually around 120-150 max) to avoid ridiculous startup times (and we didn't pace restarts then either)
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# [06:42] <jcranmer|away> sometimes when I go picture-hunting I can have fifty tabs of "high"-res images (>1280x1024) open
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# [06:48] <Callek> KWierso: in theory you could setup your own sync server, and track IP hits and do a whitelist on your own side for who can pull the data
# [06:48] <Callek> KWierso: so that only your actual phone can :-)
# [06:49] <Callek> but that still may not be safe enough, and maybe better use of your time to port FxHome than it is to use a 3rd party app for it :-)
# [06:49] <KWierso> that would require me to trust my ISP to give me access at any time
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# [06:55] <philor> oops, good thing m-c's staying green, since I forgot all about it
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# [06:59] <philor> somebody who knows about either gc or nsBaseContentList want to tell me where to file https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7719558&tree=Mozilla-Inbound?
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# [07:00] <mbrubeck> Hmm, interesting new leak on mozilla-aurora
# [07:00] <philor> I know all those words, but I can't parse them in that order
# [07:00] <mbrubeck> which confusingly seems to appear first in a Linux64 test on my Android-only push from today
# [07:03] * mbrubeck casts a totally uninformed vote of Core:DOM for philor's GC crash
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# [07:03] <philor> maybe I should just blame it on sicking, he'll never know :)
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# [07:09] <philor> nice, there's another
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# [07:09] <philor> hello, talos-r4-lion-036
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# [07:12] <philor> gavin: WITCH!
# [07:14] <mbrubeck> Is philor seeing debug moth green that is invisible to my mere mortal eyes?
# [07:14] <philor> https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9f3b58b334e
# [07:14] <philor> dunno which one is actually done, but something there or upstream is
# [07:14] <mbrubeck> ah, nice
# [07:15] <philor> probably the one there, since it just disappeared from running
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# [07:16] <philor> crap, security sensitive, somebody want to mention in the bug that it's backed out?
# [07:19] <philor> mbrubeck: has the aurora leak happened recently, or only during The Troubles?
# [07:19] <mbrubeck> not sure...
# [07:20] <philor> m-a11y could well hit the network, I think both ted and I did our wiresharking on Macs so we wouldn't have run a11y tests
# [07:20] <philor> could well hit it for ftp.m.o/stage.m.o, at a time when it wasn't willing to be hit
# [07:20] <mbrubeck> all four instances (across two pushes) were in tests that ended within a few minutes of 16:50 PST
# [07:21] <mbrubeck> note that it includes M1, M3, and R as well as a11y
# [07:22] <philor> oh, I didn't look at them
# [07:22] <mbrubeck> oh oh, my retriggers are looking unhappy
# [07:23] <mbrubeck> (I retriggered on some earlier Aurora pushes to see if the leaks might have been caused by something prior)
# [07:23] <philor> there was a releng bug about a DNS server, but I didn't think that was touching production stuff
# [07:23] <mbrubeck> oh, 404 Not Found in the "Download" step
# [07:24] <mbrubeck> just an aftershock from The Troubles, I assume
# [07:24] <philor> a permanent one, yeah, you'll have to rebuild to retrigger any jobs from before
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# [07:26] <philor> maybe dbaron will see them on his push and deal
# [07:27] <@dbaron> by retriggering them to see if they go away?
# [07:27] * mbrubeck already did that part
# [07:27] <@dbaron> yeah, looks like it
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# [07:33] <@dbaron> when the error is that connecting to stage.mozilla.org timed out, I'm going to suggest it's not a problem with the code that was committed, though
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# [07:36] <philor> is that in the leaks, or in something else?
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# [07:38] <philor> not that I ever did think it had anything to do with the code committed, since mobile/themes/ would have a hard time affecting a11y on Linux64
# [07:40] <@dbaron> mbrubeck, "The Troubles"? Did our tinderboxes spend some time in N. Ireland?
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# [07:56] <Callek> ....and that was my OOM crash waiting to happen :-)
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# [08:42] <gavin> philor: uh, wtf, I totally didn't mean to push that to inbound
# [08:42] <gavin> I... have no idea how that happened
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# [08:43] <gavin> [gavin@gavin-mbp:~/mozilla/inbound]$ hg push
# [08:43] <gavin> well then
# [08:43] <dRdR> anyone know why linux try builds are all dying?
# [08:43] <dRdR> linux debug try *
# [08:43] <philor> probably it turned out not to be the year of Linux on the desktop after all
# [08:44] <gavin> philor: thanks for backing it out, anyhow
# [08:44] <philor> np
# [08:44] <dRdR> oh
# [08:44] <gavin> my try push was pretty conclusive also: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=34c8d91a9045
# [08:44] <gavin> this'll be a fun one to figure out
# [08:46] <darktrojan> well it works on win-opt
# [08:46] <philor> huh, try does the compare previous leak log thing? what makes it think that would be a good idea
# [08:46] <philor> aki: you're not still awake, are you?
# [08:50] <philor> dRdR: a closer approximation of the truth would be "most debug try builds" and the real answer is "because they are trying to download the leak log from the 'previous' build even though that makes no sense, and not always finding it on the new ftp.m.o"
# [08:50] <dRdR> philor: ok thanks
# [08:51] <philor> dRdR: the secret to finding red that hides from you that way is to search the log for either "failed (" or if you want to brute force through a whole lot of things, "with exit code "
# [08:52] <dRdR> philor: thanks, I usually just look for TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL
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# [08:58] <dRdR> is there a sheriff atm?
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# [09:10] <darktrojan> there's something satisfying about destroying patches that are no longer needed because the bug has been fixed
# [09:12] <darktrojan> and yes I know they cease to be needed as soon as they're on bugzilla but I don't get around to deleting them then
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# [09:48] <Ms2ger> And bz_dinner gets some red...
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# [09:57] <Ms2ger> Morning edmorley
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# [10:00] <edmorley> good morning :-)
# [10:02] <edmorley> mmm lovely smell of burning this morning
# [10:03] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [10:07] <edmorley> "Back out patches due to test failures. rev 1b9ca56d4aab and a few more." ... that's going to be fun when merging
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# [10:08] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [10:09] <Ms2ger> Obviously, if people tested their stuff...
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# [10:11] <edmorley> I meant more from the guessing which revs were included to know what to not mark fixed due to the previous changesets in that merge
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# [10:14] <edmorley> using mak's backout script automatically sets a nice commit message, with all revs and bug #s listed, and reduces the effort/chance for user error when dealing with multiple changesets; might be good for us to encourage it's use more
# [10:14] <edmorley> speaking of which, time to use it on inbound tip :-)
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# [10:17] <Ms2ger> I know what you meant, I just offered an easier solution than backing out unbaked stuff :)
# [10:17] <edmorley> indeed :-)
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# [10:19] <Ms2ger> Android non-XUL is ignorable?
# [10:19] <edmorley> yup, until birch merges into m-c/the rest
# [10:20] <edmorley> (the files just don't exist)
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# [10:21] <edmorley> another reason why I like using -n in trychooser
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# [10:23] <edmorley> anyway, time for bacon mmmmmmm
# [10:24] <Ms2ger> Ah, the joys of being British :)
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# [10:29] <edmorley> :-)
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# [10:58] <darktrojan> morning, europe
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# [11:23] <darktrojan> I keep typing 'hg ....' instead of 'sudo ...' :-/
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# [11:26] <Ms2ger> hg make me a sandwich
# [11:26] <Unfocused> hg make me a sandwich
# [11:26] <Unfocused> .. damnit
# [11:27] <Ms2ger> :D
# [11:28] <darktrojan> sudo hg make me a sandwich
# [11:28] <darktrojan> :)
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# [11:47] <Ms2ger> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/3195
# [11:47] <Ms2ger> That's Mozilla for you
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# [11:50] <Ms2ger> WARNING: NS_ENSURE_TRUE(mPrincipal) failed: file /builds/slave/try-osx-dbg/build/content/base/src/nsXMLHttpRequest.cpp, line 1524
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> Running XMLHttpRequest tests...
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> *** About to see an expected warning about mPrincipal:
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> *** End of expected warning output.
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [11:54] <Unfocused> heh
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# [11:59] <jhk_> Any Idea how to generate quota usage warn notification? easier than adding bookmarks and stuff.
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# [12:00] <Unfocused> i guess that excludes "setup your own sync server"
# [12:01] <jhk_> how to do that?
# [12:03] <Unfocused> for your reading pleasure: http://docs.services.mozilla.com/howtos/run-sync.html
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# [12:07] <Unfocused> looking at the code, should be able to do it via scratchpad in chrome-mode. something like: Weave.Status.sync =Weave.OVER_QUOTA; gSyncUI.onSyncError();
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# [12:08] <Unfocused> er, may need to find a browser window first. forget how chrome-mode works in scratchpad, whether it's tired to a window or not
# [12:10] <Unfocused> go through Cc["@mozilla.org/appshell/window-mediator;1"].getService(Ci.nsIWindowMediator).getMostRecentWindow("navigator:browser").defaultView; to get the browser window
# [12:10] <Unfocused> jhk_: ^
# [12:10] <jhk_> I need to change this http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#6308
# [12:11] <Unfocused> (also, i'm full of bourbon, so any of this could be wildly inaccurate)
# [12:11] <Ms2ger> Tired to a window? :)
# [12:12] <Unfocused> windows are pretty tiring, you know
# [12:12] <jhk_> I am changing notification bar to door hanging panel for quata warn usage notification.
# [12:13] <Unfocused> yea, i remember seeing something like that in scrollbar :)
# [12:14] <jhk_> so for that I have to set up sync for it.?
# [12:14] <jhk_> sync server
# [12:14] <jhk_> in order to produce notification bar?
# [12:14] <Unfocused> i'm pretty sure you can just trick sync to showing the error
# [12:15] <Unfocused> with the above ramblings
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# [12:15] <jhk_> ok I will try it. thanks:)
# [12:15] <Unfocused> :)
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# [12:27] <mak> I have an hard time figuring out what sicking backed out considered the checkin comment "Back out patches due to test failures. rev 1b9ca56d4aab and a few more."
# [12:27] <mak> :/
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# [12:28] <mak> just to be sure he didn't mark anything in the bugs :)
# [12:30] <Unfocused> <edmorley> "Back out patches due to test failures. rev 1b9ca56d4aab and a few more." ... that's going to be fun when merging
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# [12:31] * mak notices Unfocused does not read the last 3 lines of chat before posting :p
# [12:32] <Unfocused> mak: i did, that was a paste from scrollbar in response to the previous 3 lines :)
# [12:32] <mak> oh, then I'm not reading the last hundreds lines!
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# [12:32] <mak> sorry!
# [12:32] <Unfocused> :)
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# [12:37] * mak will figure out the backouts after lunch
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# [12:39] <darktrojan> Unfocused, how fast is your net connection?
# [12:39] <darktrojan> just wondering
# [12:40] <Unfocused> ADSL2+, though i'm limited by ancient wiring in my house, so i get max of around 12Mbit
# [12:40] <darktrojan> oh nice
# [12:41] * darktrojan still has plain old adsl
# [12:41] <darktrojan> currently maxed out at about 4.5Mbit
# [12:41] <Unfocused> hoping to upgrade the wiring in the house next year (it's an ex-state house), and my ISP (Snap) is offering VDSL2 now, soo....
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# [12:42] <darktrojan> I swear this connection was better when adsl was new and nobody had it
# [12:42] <Unfocused> i'm right by the 1 of only 2 exchanges in Dunedin, so i could potentially get some sweet speeds
# [12:43] <Unfocused> hah, i bet it was
# [12:43] <Unfocused> most ISPs have pretty bad contention rates :\
# [12:43] <darktrojan> I guess I don't really use it enough for it to bother me
# [12:44] <darktrojan> but uploads are capped at 128k
# [12:44] <darktrojan> :(
# [12:44] <edmorley> mak: I'll mark the bugs if you like? (was going to merge earlier but had to head out for breakfast)
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# [12:45] <nigelb> Heh, I'm doing diff of a diff. This doesn't look confusing at all.
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# [12:46] * Ms2ger diffs diffs all the time
# [12:46] <darktrojan> nigelb, interdiff is great, when it works
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# [12:46] <nigelb> darktrojan: I'm using color diff.
# [12:47] <nigelb> err colordiff.
# [12:47] <nigelb> It seems to make it somewhat sane.
# [12:47] <Unfocused> 128k hurts :\
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# [12:47] <Ms2ger> Yeah, without syntax highlighting you're lost
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# [12:47] * darktrojan is usually lost
# [12:47] <nigelb> exactly. I first did diff -Naur and went "woah, wtf."
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# [12:48] <nigelb> Having a try and except block with nothing in the except block is fine or does that look odd?
# [12:49] <Ms2ger> That's fine
# [12:49] <darktrojan> hmm, haven't updated this machine in the while, just replaced tzdata 2010k
# [12:49] <nigelb> Phew.
# [12:49] <Ms2ger> But why are you eating exceptions? :)
# [12:49] <nigelb> Well, I only want to grab something from a pref if it does exist.
# [12:49] <nigelb> I don't want to do anything if it doesn't.
# [12:50] <jhk_> unfocused: sync is running in background now . next step?
# [12:51] <Unfocused> jhk_: open about:config and set devtools.chrome.enabled to true, then open scratchpad, and in the Environment menu, switch to browser
# [12:52] <Unfocused> and paste in the code i mentioned above... fix any mistakes i made... and run it
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# [12:56] <Unfocused> huh: bug 528288
# [12:56] * Unfocused kicks firebot
# [12:56] * firebot hits Unfocused over the head with a 2-by-4
# [12:56] <nigelb> I'm surprised. The patch I wrote at 2 am. Half asleep, worked.
# [12:56] <nigelb> firebot: bug 528288
# [12:56] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528288 enh, --, mozilla11, mcmanus, RESO FIXED, Implement SPDY protocol
# [12:56] <nigelb> There ya go.
# [12:56] <Unfocused> lazy bot
# [12:56] <nigelb> Mostly quiet bot :P
# [12:58] <edmorley> Unfocused: it's deliberately turned off for this channel unless you direct the bug at firebot
# [12:59] <Unfocused> i still say its lazy
# [12:59] <nigelb> Wel, it did hit you with a clue by 4.
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# [13:00] <nigelb> ok, that's one patch done. On to the next one!
# [13:00] <lurking_work> well, SPDY is going to be like BrowserID - unless server ops jump on-board its mostly useless as I see it, but I'm just now reading up on it some
# [13:00] <Unfocused> it should know it would take more than one hit
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# [13:01] <Unfocused> you just described every new web feature in browsers, ever
# [13:02] <jhk_> unfocused: error -> cc not defined
# [13:02] <Unfocused> jhk_: exchange Cc for Components.classes
# [13:02] <Unfocused> and Ci for Components.interfaces
# [13:03] <Unfocused> sorry, i assumed you'd know that abbreviation
# [13:03] <mak> edmorley: I marked all but Sicking's backots
# [13:03] <mak> edmorley: if you want to figure out those
# [13:03] <Unfocused> i wish scratchpad would just define those constants when in chrome-mode
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# [13:04] <jhk_> another->[17:27:11.419] Permission denied for <https://developer.mozilla.org> to get property XPCComponents.classes
# [13:05] <jhk_> unfocused:^
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# [13:05] <Unfocused> er
# [13:05] <Unfocused> oh, sounds like you haven't switch the environment
# [13:06] <Unfocused> scratchpad main menu -> Environment -> Browser
# [13:07] <jhk_> no popup came out.
# [13:07] <jhk_> it should show bar right!
# [13:08] <jhk_> ?
# [13:08] <Unfocused> in theory, but i'm only really guessing, after having looked at the code for 10 seconds
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# [13:09] <jhk_> oh ok .
# [13:10] <mak> edmorley: at first glance I think he may have backed out all the changesets... but hard to tell
# [13:10] <edmorley> mak: yeah I am coming to the same conclusion
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# [13:11] <mak> edmorley: so, if you try to make a backout patch that backouts the changesets and the backout, would that produce an empty patch?
# [13:12] <edmorley> ah good point
# [13:12] <edmorley> i'll try it
# [13:12] <Unfocused> jhk_: double checked, looks like it should work :\ i ran the code too, and no error bar
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# [13:13] * nigelb throws things at confirmEx
# [13:13] <Unfocused> jhk_: someone in #sync will definitely know
# [13:13] <jhk_> unfocused:but it should also show quota warn usage notification bar . i guess.
# [13:13] <nigelb> Pressing Esc = Pressing [X] on the dialog, which always means clicking button 1. Sigh.
# [13:13] <Unfocused> nigelb: confirmEx? as in, win32?
# [13:14] <nigelb> Unfocused: the one in prompt service.
# [13:14] <Unfocused> oh. thats not much better...
# [13:15] <nigelb> Sigh. That blocks my patch. Yay.
# [13:15] <edmorley> mak: Empty backout patch. Giving up. \o/
# [13:16] <mak> woo
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# [13:16] <mak> ok, I'll leave you mark thos backouts and complain loudly in the bugs :D
# [13:17] <edmorley> :-)
# [13:17] <mak> I already complained enough in the other backout
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# [13:18] <edmorley> btw I was thinking of trying to tweak the backout script to turn |Backout <hash> (bug 123456), <hash2> (bug 123456)| into |Backout <hash>, <hash2> (bug 123456)|
# [13:18] <edmorley> ie remove dupoe consecutive bug numbers
# [13:19] <edmorley> s/oe/e/
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# [13:23] <mak> I didn't do that cause it was lots of complications, an maybe it's worth to dedicate time to the qbackout extension for improvements
# [13:23] <mak> doing that in python is likely easier than in bash
# [13:23] <mak> I mean coalescing the bug#
# [13:26] <dRdR> anyone else having a weird problem on osx nightly where the scrollbar won't scroll? instead it's locked in the far left position
# [13:27] <dRdR> scrollbar for tabs I mean
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# [13:28] <lurking_work> dRdR: update to newer build ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706323
# [13:28] <dRdR> lurking_work: ah, thanks
# [13:28] <lurking_work> yw
# [13:31] <edmorley> mak: yeah true (plus removing parts of the message manually is a lot easier than having to look up the bug numbers and add them in, so still a major net win for my workflow)
# [13:31] <edmorley> mak: have marked the backouts now
# [13:31] <mak> thanks
# [13:31] <mib_hf0bc0> Please help fix the problem https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668813
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# [13:34] <lurking_work> mib_hf0bc0: patches accepted :)
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# [13:35] <lurking_work> mib_hf0bc0: from reading the bug, it seems they need help in finding what's leading to the issue - they can't fix what they cannot repo
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# [13:37] <mib_hf0bc0> lurking_work: After applying the patch, the crash happens the browser on Mac OS
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# [13:38] <lurking_work> if the tryserver build is crashing, you need to add the links to the bug from about:crashes - that will help in debugging further
# [13:39] <lurking_work> mib_hf0bc0: right-click - copy the link location, and add the link to the bug
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# [13:52] <NeilAway> Unfocused: newer versions of make have a more boring error message - make: *** No rule to make target 'me a sandwich'. Stop. I'm sure older versions used to say make: Don't know how to make me a sandwich. Stop.
# [13:54] <Unfocused> haha :)
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# [13:58] <nigelb> NeilAway: srsly? o.O
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# [14:19] <bbondy> Is there an easy way from javascript to tell if the current process is running as a native x64 app? I know it's easy in C++ via sizeof any pointer type.
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# [14:21] <jaws> bbondy: could you use window.navigator.oscpu ? i'm not sure how reliable that is though
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# [14:22] <jaws> it's probably not what you're looking for
# [14:22] <bbondy> possibly if there's no better way
# [14:23] <bbondy> if it helps I really only need this check on Windows
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# [14:23] <bbondy> so maybe I can see if window.navigator.oscpu doesn't contain WOW64
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# [14:25] <jaws> yeah that's what i was thinking, but i'm not sure if the build is a x64 build if it will include WOW64 or not
# [14:25] <bbondy> shouldn't
# [14:26] <bbondy> I'll test it to be sure, but it would be a bug if it did :)
# [14:26] <bbondy> thanks for the suggestion
# [14:26] <jaws> well then this may be enough for now :)
# [14:26] <bbondy> until the reviewer schools me :P
# [14:26] <jaws> has anybody seen this cache attack yet? http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2011/12/css-visited-may-be-bit-overrated.html
# [14:27] <jaws> :P
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# [14:33] <jaws> bbondy: according to this page, you should be able to check for x64 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.navigator.oscpu
# [14:33] <NeilAway> bbondy: WOW64 for x32 build on x64 OS, x64 for x64 build
# [14:33] <jaws> jinx!
# [14:33] <jaws> :)
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# [14:33] <bbondy> ya
# [14:33] <bbondy> I just realized I don't need to do this check dynamic either so I can just check a define
# [14:33] <NeilAway> bbondy: actually you get Win64; x64
# [14:34] <jaws> hehe, well i learned something anyways :)
# [14:34] <bbondy> :D
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# [14:36] <Unfocused> or mossop
# [14:36] <NeilAway> he's not here to tab-complete
# [14:36] <Unfocused> heh :)
# [14:36] <NeilAway> interestingly it's working now
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# [14:39] <bbondy> Is there a recommendation on official x64 native support for Windows? Last I heard a recommendation was coming.
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# [15:51] <IanN> I'm getting "final link failed: Memory exhausted" when building libxul.so. I have 3.3GB RAM and 2GB Swap but it does not seem to be touching swap when trying to build libxul :(
# [15:56] <IanN> my stack size is set to 10240 kbytes, could that be causing the problem or does get that overridden somewhere in the config
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# [15:57] <catlee-away> IanN: windows?
# [15:58] <IanN> catlee-away: no fedora
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# [16:03] <IanN> i'll try without |enable-debugger-info-modules="yes"| and see if it builds ok like that
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# [16:06] <catlee-away> 32-bit system?
# [16:07] <IanN> catlee-away: yes, 32-bit
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# [16:16] <catlee-away> IanN: using gold or bfd version of the linker?
# [16:16] <catlee-away> ld --version should say
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# [16:30] <IanN> catlee-away: GNU ld version 2.19.51.0.14-37.fc12 20090722
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# [16:34] <romeo> IanN, I too have had a couple of "Memory exhausted" failures when building Firefox lately. I was building on a partition with about 3 GB free disk. Freeing a couple of GB extra solved the issue. (32-bits Ubuntu 10.04)
# [16:35] <catlee-away> more swap might help
# [16:35] <IanN> I have 13GB of free space
# [16:35] <catlee-away> even though it's not using it
# [16:35] <catlee-away> also try using gold
# [16:35] <catlee-away> does /usr/bin/ld.gold exist?
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# [16:41] <IanN> catlee-away: no, ld.gold does not exist
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# [16:43] <khuey> catlee-away: since you're here ...
# [16:43] <khuey> the red on b-s looks, well, bs
# [16:43] <khuey> the log says everything through make check finished
# [16:43] <khuey> so I'm a bit confused
# [16:43] <philor> what does a search for "failed (" say?
# [16:44] <khuey> ========= Started 'python /builds/slave/bld-system-lnx-dbg/tools/buildfarm/utils/retry.py ...' failed (results: 2, elapsed: 5 secs) ==========
# [16:45] <philor> well, I didn't mean *exactly* that line, but I presume that block is downloading either codesighs if you're in an opt build or leak if you're in a debug build
# [16:46] <philor> and although aki meant to have created them everywhere on the new ftp.m.o, he might have somehow missed b-s (and try, the way it looked last night)
# [16:46] <khuey> looks like it's the leak log
# [16:46] <khuey> Executing: ['wget', '-O', 'sdleak.tree.old', 'http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/build-system-linux-debug//sdleak.tree']
# [16:46] <khuey> --04:42:03-- http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/build-system-linux-debug//sdleak.tree
# [16:46] <khuey> Resolving stage.mozilla.org... 10.2.74.116
# [16:47] <khuey> Connecting to stage.mozilla.org|10.2.74.116|:80... connected.
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# [16:47] <khuey> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
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# [16:47] <philor> it's just that silly start of a new tree thing, where it takes whatever it is, two opt and three debug runs per OS to get to green, unless its a time of day and day of the week where you can get a relenger to touch your files
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# [16:48] <philor> which still burns a debug build, I think, since "" isn't a valid leak log
# [16:49] <khuey> ok
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# [16:49] <nigelb> What's the best way to drop all changes since the last hg qrefresh?
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# [16:51] <khuey> hg update -C
# [16:52] <nigelb> thanks!
# [16:52] <nigelb> Phew. I didn't completely screw up then :)
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# [17:00] <IanN> catlee-away: I don't think ld.gold appeared until fedora 13 :(
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# [17:44] <Mathnerd314> does clang work with mozilla? or is there some gcc cruft left over?
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# [17:49] <catlee-away> Mathnerd314: http://blog.mozilla.com/respindola/
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# [17:50] <Mathnerd314> ok, cool. so it sounds like in a year or something, mozilla will be using clang for everything :p
# [17:50] <catlee-away> for windows too I hope! :)
# [17:51] <catlee-away> cross compiling everything from linux
# [17:52] <Mathnerd314> oh, right. I forgot how portable the mozilla codebase is.
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# [18:01] <khuey> :-P
# [18:01] <khuey> you'll pry MSVC's optimizer from my cold dead hands
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# [18:02] <catlee-away> doesn't clang to LTO?
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# [18:07] <khuey> PGO is far more powerful than just LTO
# [18:07] <khuey> LTO just enables cross-translation-unit optimizations
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# [18:27] <Ms2ger> nsIAtom *nameAtom = content->Tag();
# [18:27] <Ms2ger> if (!nameAtom->Equals(NS_LITERAL_STRING("a")) &&
# [18:27] <Ms2ger> !nameAtom->Equals(NS_LITERAL_STRING("area")))
# [18:27] <Ms2ger> ...
# [18:28] <khuey> fail
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# [18:29] <khuey> so who doesn't understand how atoms work?
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# [18:32] <khuey> :-P
# [18:33] <edmorley> anyone know what's up with the "Failed to import resource:///modules/services-sync/engines/clients.js" on several people's try builds
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# [18:43] <Ms2ger> darin doesn't know about atoms, apparently
# [18:43] <Ms2ger> More surprisingly, bz_dinner sr'd it
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# [18:55] <Ms2ger> Hi philor :)
# [18:56] <philor> Ms2ger: whuzzup?
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# [18:56] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7cf92eaf0d14
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# [18:56] <Ms2ger> I don't understand the red
# [18:57] <philor> oh, that still hasn't recovered? I'm at work, gotta open the front doors in a bit, but I'll file it after that
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [18:57] <philor> assuming it's what I'm sure it is, when you search the log for "failed (" you find it's downloading the previous leak log failed
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I think it was something like that
# [18:58] <philor> wonder whether we don't try to upload, but do download, so it isn't self-healing like it is on other branches
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# [18:59] <Ms2ger> 404 on sdleak.tree.old
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# [19:00] <philor> what I don't have a good theory for is the way it's not all of them, and not the same set on everyone's push
# [19:01] <Ms2ger> "Mozilla"
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# [19:01] <philor> oh, maybe it has settled into being the same set now, everything but 10.6
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# [19:17] <NeilAway> IanN: I found that gold used 1GB less than ld
# [19:17] <NeilAway> bah, missed him
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# [19:31] <catlee-away> philor: what's the link to the log that try is failing to get?
# [19:31] <catlee-away> I suspect our NFS fun yesterday
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> catlee-away, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7cf92eaf0d14
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# [19:38] <catlee-away> ok, should be fixed now
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# [19:40] <catlee-away> Ms2ger: can I rebuild one of your debug builds?
# [19:40] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [19:40] <philor> thx, just got around to the link, which is http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-linux/sdleak.tree, which is.. um... try builds compare to whatever the last mozilla-central build was?
# [19:40] <catlee-away> yeah
# [19:40] <catlee-away> \o/
# [19:40] <philor> that must give interesting and valuable results when you push some other branch :)
# [19:40] <catlee-away> those logs must die
# [19:41] <philor> yeah, like so many things I've argued that we must keep, next time killing that crap comes up I'm not saying a word
# [19:41] <catlee-away> heh
# [19:42] <catlee-away> have you poked at the new treestatus app lately?
# [19:42] <philor> nope, keep forgetting that I should
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> treestatus app?
# [19:45] <philor> mbrubeck: I got tired of trying to figure out what had and hadn't been rebuilt, so I triggered a whole set of builds on your aurora push, and managed to steal the nightly away from dbaron for you :)
# [19:45] <mbrubeck> heh
# [19:45] <catlee-away> Ms2ger: http://treestatus.atlee.ca/
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> ö
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> (Does it have version control? ;))
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# [19:49] <Callek> here I thought I could find catlee's treestatus in hg user repo, and I load http://hg.mozilla.org/users/catlee_mozilla.com/ and see lots and lots of l10n repo's and no treestatus
# [19:49] * Callek would check github but I'm horrid at navigating that
# [19:49] <catlee-away> Ms2ger: it has logs per tree
# [19:49] <catlee-away> https://github.com/catlee/treestatus
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> Bah, git
# [19:49] <Callek> heh :-)
# [19:50] <catlee-away> no ACLs though
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# [19:50] <catlee-away> log in with browserID and you can do anything!
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> If you had openid...
# [19:51] <catlee-away> browserid is the new hotness
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# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Hmm, didn't biesi leave Google? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/secgrouplist.html hasn't realized...
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# [20:10] <Ms2ger> "Benoit Girard [mq]: crap"
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# [20:13] <benwa> Ms2ger: My great mq naming schemes
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# [20:22] <philor> khuey|away: I starred the rest of b-s, but I don't know where to file "10.7 crashes have worthless stacks" much less what to say is the reason they have useless stacks
# [20:24] * Callek would file in Core::Build Config, assign to ted, and cc jhford :-)
# [20:24] <Callek> I could be way off on all counts, but its what I would do anyway
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# [20:25] <bhackett> philor: ping
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# [20:29] <philor> bhackett: pong
# [20:30] <philor> oops, nobody hid the native Android debug on JM, did they?
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# [20:30] <bhackett> philor: yeah, that's what I'm wondering about
# [20:30] <bhackett> philor: I'm planning to merge JM to trunk later today, and want to make sure it isn't going to set things on fire
# [20:31] <bhackett> philor: there is also a lot of 10.7 orange, but I guess these are tests which are hidden on trunk too?
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# [20:31] <Ms2ger> Aww
# [20:32] <bhackett> several 'log not available' oranges on the previous merge, too
# [20:32] <mbrubeck> "log not available" is because of FTP server problems yesterday
# [20:32] <bhackett> ok
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# [21:04] <evilpie> peterv: any ETA on bug 684601 or bug 637099 ?
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> <elly> as a C programmer by trade, I object :)
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> <elly> the purpose of C is to write large, insecure, buggy applications!
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Truth
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# [21:13] <evilpie> "If you're parsing JSON with eval and using strict mode, you deserve to be slow."
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> s/ and using strict mode//, IMO
# [21:15] <evilpie> true
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# [21:44] <lurking> woohoo, objshrink just landed on m-c it seems -
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# [21:47] <cers> lurking: does objshrink have a project page or something? would like to read up on it
# [21:47] <evilpie> wtf
# [21:48] <lurking> honestly, I don't know - I'm sure there's a wiki somewhere
# [21:48] <evilpie> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Platform/JavaScriptObjShrink but not much there
# [21:49] <evilpie> you just want to look at bug 637931
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# [21:49] <evilpie> i had no idea that bhackett had plans to land that now
# [21:50] <lurking> I had heard it was landing this week, or early next week - guess he went for somewhere inbetween :)
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# [21:50] <bhackett> I haven't had power in my apartment since wednesday
# [21:50] <lurking> ooh, Santa Ana winds ?
# [21:50] <bhackett> I wanted to land earlier, but didn't have a way to monitor the tree
# [21:50] <bhackett> well, a big westerly came through midweek
# [21:51] <bhackett> knocked down lots of branches and trees, and took out a lot of electrical infrastructure I guess
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# [21:51] <lurking> I lived in Southern CA from '67-70 and we had some good blows - but nothing like what was reported this week
# [21:53] <evilpie> bhackett: well at least you weren't in hospital like me
# [21:53] <bhackett> evilpie: ugh, that sucks
# [21:53] <bhackett> better now?
# [21:53] <evilpie> kind of, with pain killers :O
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# [21:55] <bhackett> cers: bug 704372 has about:memory information about the effect of the stuff, and bug 687788 has a low level description of how the data was restructured
# [21:55] <evilpie> bhackett: you suggested something about making json.parse faster?
# [21:55] <cers> evilpie:, bhackett: thanks
# [21:56] <bhackett> evilpie: in some bug, I think. the JSON parser could cache the shapes of the objects it constructs and the size classes used for them, which would speed up behavior when dealing with big repetitive structures
# [21:56] <bhackett> JSON objects also don't have type information for their properties, so jitcode accesses on them are slower
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# [21:57] <bhackett> plain?
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# [21:58] <evilpie> no setters, no changed proto, anything fancy
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# [22:26] <cers> I'm trying to write a test for Firefox, but I'm not really sure where to start - or to be clear, I have a test for something similar, so I was planning to work from that - but I don't know how to actually run the test to well... test
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# [22:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d662c4cfabae - Antti Haapala - Bug 699156: Support TypedArrays in XPConnect. r=bholley,evilpie
# [22:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c2102c45c8da - Kyle Huey - Merge b-s to m-c.
# [22:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ffdf85abb789 - Kyle Huey - Bug 704464: Part 1 - Rework quota handling to use Windows insteead of Databases. r=bent
# [22:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3838d56a1eaf - Kyle Huey - Bug 704464: Part 2 - Make Database creation hook into the quota system. r=bent
# [22:35] <khuey> woo
# [22:35] <lurking> that looked like a near miss/collision
# [22:36] <khuey> hmm?
# [22:37] <khuey> last push was an hour ago
# [22:37] <lurking> really now
# [22:37] <lurking> messaging must be s-l-o-w or Firebot is
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> All four are part of the merge
# [22:38] <Callek> lurking: I think you're operating on an invalid assumption here: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?changeset=d662c4cfabae
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> firebot just doesn't like ordering
# [22:38] <firebot> Ms2ger: Sorry, I've no idea what 'just doesn't like ordering' might be.
# [22:38] <Callek> firebot: we know
# [22:38] <firebot> Callek: Sorry, I've no idea what 'we know' might be.
# [22:38] <edmorley> tomorrow's nightly will be interesting: SPDY, JM objectshrink work, b-s merge and the usual inbound merge
# [22:39] <Callek> edmorley: whats SPDY in brief?
# [22:39] <Ms2ger> Oh, I've got some stuff queued as well
# [22:39] <lurking> Callek: yeah, 699156 just now showed up on tbpl as part of khuey's merge - really strange
# [22:39] <edmorley> Callek: wikipedia can probably explain better than I can http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> Callek, Google trying to replace HTTP
# [22:40] <lurking> SPDY is preffed off I believe - I've had it on, and I can't see any change - but then again I guess the server has to have something set up to get the hand-shake to really notice anything
# [22:40] <catlee-away> Callek: different network transport
# [22:40] <Callek> edmorley: ahh thanks
# [22:40] <Ms2ger> Unfortunately we're going along
# [22:40] <edmorley> Callek: although iirc it's landed but preffed off for now
# [22:40] <khuey> well, SPDY is kind of actually better than HTTP ...
# [22:40] <Callek> o really? different network transport, interesting
# [22:40] <catlee-away> I think only google has servers right now
# [22:41] <edmorley> by 'tomorrow's nightly will be interesting' I primarily meant in terms of finding which changeset caused future regressions, but I guess if SPDY is off, that's not so bad
# [22:41] <Callek> I'll have to learn more about it "later"
# [22:42] <Callek> but certainly sounds like an overall good thing based on wikipedia
# [22:42] <Callek> (after all HTTP is how old now?)
# [22:42] <Callek> and once apache/IIS start supporting it we'll be in an overall good thing, assuming sec concerns don't pop up too fast
# [22:43] <lurking> does anyone know if there has been any recent changes to 'download scan when done' as far as calling the resident AV scanner ? I'm playing with MSE's latest beta - and I'm getting horrible hangs on scanning downloaded firefox.exe files - and so far the MS geeks are telling me its Firefox, however - I'm seeing same thing on IE9 when downloading Firefox.exe files
# [22:43] <khuey> there's probably a mod_spdy or something
# [22:44] <khuey> lurking: interesting
# [22:44] <khuey> I've seen similar things
# [22:44] <khuey> but I've never managed to get it in a debugger and figure out wtf is going on
# [22:44] <lurking> here's the thread I started: Objshrink - better performance and lower memory usage
# [22:45] <lurking> hold on
# [22:45] <lurking> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_updating/mse-beta-not-updating-on-scheduled-scan/193271d9-85ad-4cff-85b5-965eb5fd4e27
# [22:45] <lurking> I don't know if you have to login to connect to see it
# [22:46] <khuey> I can see that
# [22:46] <khuey> I don't think it has anything to do with the beta though
# [22:46] <khuey> I've seen this when saving images for a while
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# [22:47] <lurking> hmm, wonder if its maybe a antimalware update then ?
# [22:47] <lurking> because MsMpEng.exe show activity for over 10 mins here
# [22:47] <lurking> but only on firefox.exe
# [22:47] <lurking> files
# [22:48] <lurking> same on IE9
# [22:48] <lurking> oh, you said images - hmmm
# [22:48] <khuey> idk, I never use IE :-)
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# [22:49] <lurking> I thought it would be easier to fight them if I used their own crud - rather then letting them blame Firefox, like they are trying to do :)
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# [22:49] <khuey> yeah
# [22:49] <khuey> definitely
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# [22:52] <lurking> I've had really good luck with MSE, I'd hate to go back to paid security solution - as most of the other 'free stuff' has some rather unpleasant things that I hate
# [22:52] <lurking> and Norton is STILL A PIG !
# [22:52] <khuey> I would just not us A/V at all
# [22:52] <khuey> but MSE is free and comes with the OS
# [22:52] <khuey> so I don't bother turning it off
# [22:53] <lurking> yep, I will just turn off scan.when.done if it persists - no need really to have Firefox trigger a scan, the file will get scanned if I run it anyhow
# [22:53] <lurking> and likely its scanned during download as well
# [22:53] <lurking> so triple scanning is really over-kill
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# [22:56] * lurking is downloading latest hourly with objshrink -
# [22:57] <lurking> We lost a lot of tinderbox archives stuff yesterday in the big crash it seems
# [22:58] <lurking> Well, it came up/loaded - guess that's one good sign :)
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# [22:59] * lurking not that I had any doubt :)
# [23:01] <lurking> khuey: you need one of these: http://nerdapproved.com/misc-gadgets/own-a-green-machine-big-wheel-motorcycle-for-75000/
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# [23:02] <khuey> lol
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# [23:04] <lurking> khuey: no maybe one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/ea33/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=&CJID=2617611
# [23:06] <khuey> "with Firefox plunging from 25% to 22%"
# [23:06] * khuey wonders if this guy knows what "plunging" means
# [23:06] <khuey> lurking: a bit closer to my price range
# [23:07] <lurking> :)
# [23:07] <lurking> That big wheel is outrageous - You could buy a luxury car for that
# [23:07] <darktrojan> plunging? is that what the noise was?
# [23:07] <lurking> and that thing is probably not even street-legal
# [23:08] <khuey> plus I'd have to pay to park the big wheel
# [23:08] <khuey> probably not cheap in SF
# [23:08] <lurking> ooh, you back on the west-coast ?
# [23:08] <lurking> or did you graduate already ?
# [23:08] <khuey> graduating in two weeks
# [23:08] <khuey> wandering back to the west coast afterwards
# [23:08] <lurking> congrats
# [23:08] <khuey> after some vacation and whatnot
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# [23:09] <lurking> going for a masters next ?
# [23:09] <khuey> nah
# [23:09] <khuey> not anytime soon at least
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> A masters in build systems, perhaps?
# [23:10] <khuey> no thanks
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> Too late
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# [23:17] <cers> khuey: sorry, didn't see you replied - it's a test of how cookies are handled by the cookie manager
# [23:18] <khuey> ok
# [23:18] <khuey> where is the test you're copying?
# [23:22] <edmorley> bhackett: ping
# [23:23] <bhackett> edmorley: pong
# [23:23] <edmorley> bhackett: hi :-) I've just tried to merge m-c to inbound, but there are a few js conflicts, that I'm not overly confident about resolving without breaking something
# [23:23] <edmorley> bhackett: would it be ok if you could merge m-c to inbound and resolve them for me?
# [23:24] <bhackett> edmorley: sure, I'll do that now
# [23:24] <edmorley> bhackett: thanks :-)
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# [23:29] <lurking> wtf ? http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042905-firefox-faces-uncertain-future-as-google-deal-apparently-ends/page__pid__594494239#entry594494239
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