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# Session Start: Mon Dec 05 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:14] <Ashe> I'm getting tired of everything having cloud in its name for no particular reason
# [00:15] <Ashe> I think I'll rename my FTP server to cloud server, after all it's close enough
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# [00:35] <smaug> someone had a script to check how many tabs there are open
# [00:36] <smaug> anyone remember the link to that blog post
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# [00:37] <KWierso> smaug: http://blog.zpao.com/post/6636815982/simple-tab-stats-script ?
# [00:42] <smaug> thanks
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# [00:56] <mounir> i get a permission denied
# [00:56] <mounir> (with the script)
# [00:57] <mounir> only in scratchpad actually
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# [00:58] <Callek> mounir: yea scratchpad has the problem of being content-origin'ed
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# [00:59] <Callek> mounir: you can see glandium's blog for "Tab Stats" though which is basically an about: page of the same
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# [01:31] <KWierso> mounir, Callek: I think if you flip devtools.chrome.enabled to true and open scratchpad, there's an "environment" menu that you can switch to execute with chrome powers
# [01:32] <IanN> grrr, now I am getting "/usr/bin/ld: fatal error: out of file descriptors and couldn't close any"
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# [01:33] <Callek> IanN: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10708
# [01:33] <Callek> (might be helpful)
# [01:34] <IanN> Callek: yeah, I am on 2.20 I think
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# [01:45] <Callek> IanN: pure guessing, selinux causing you problems
# [01:45] <Callek> ?
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# [01:46] <IanN> Callek: no, it's the memory leak in ld 2.20, so now sorting bumping my open files limit
# [01:46] <Callek> ooo ok :-)
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# [01:47] <Callek> IanN: yum update binutils ?
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# [02:31] <db48x2> does anyone here know off-hand whether <base target="_blank"> works in all browsers?
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# [02:48] <philor> cpearce: you don't *really* want to run test_fullscreen_api.html on WinXP, do you?
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# [02:49] <cpearce> philor: yes, yes I do.
# [02:50] <philor> without: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=572683838224 / with: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=daff5a8af30e
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# [02:53] <philor> though only crashing Windows and screwing the next run it if's talos 1 in 5 runs is actually better than I would have guessed offhand
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# [02:56] <roc> my latest-FF build is in a state where connecting to any site (with HTTP or FTP) just hangs
# [02:56] <roc> other apps work
# [02:56] <philor> I know, we could do that thing where we disable it "while we investigate," the one with all the winking and nudging, that one's good
# [02:56] <roc> not hanging really, just failing to connect
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# [03:04] <nthomas> philor: do those links still work or you ? I'm getting 500 errors
# [03:04] <philor> nthomas: yeah, tbpl seems to be... unwell
# [03:04] <nthomas> nagios isn't going off :-(
# [03:05] <philor> rats, I was counting on something else also being busted
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# [03:08] <nthomas> philor: there's no code deployment for tbpl today, right ?
# [03:09] <philor> nthomas: right
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# [03:11] <lurking> I'm getting 'Service Unavailable' on tbpl
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# [03:12] * philor changes topic to 'mozilla-central: CLOSED || mozilla-inbound: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [03:14] <nthomas> filed bug 707591
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# [03:17] <nigelb> Everytime, I do something with the web console in my mozilla-central build, firefox segfaults.
# [03:18] <nigelb> Can anyone else reproduce this or look at my backtrace?
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# [03:32] <lurking> nigelb: did you find anything special about SPDY today ? I don't see anything changing, and its really hard to tell if / what improvement happens, and with GMAIL being https:// I'm not sure SPDY is going to work on that protocol or just http
# [03:32] <nigelb> lurking: Nothing special :)
# [03:32] <nigelb> I tried it out
# [03:32] <nigelb> I couldn't figure out if it was faster or slower
# [03:32] <lurking> I have it on, so far no ill effect, but nowthing WOW! either :)
# [03:33] <nigelb> Exactly
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# [03:33] <nigelb> I thought I'd go "OMG, I TYPED GMAIL.COM AND IT ALREADY LOADED UP!"
# [03:33] <lurking> I just opened the web-console on a page and poked around some, dont' really know how to use it, but nothing crashed here on Win7
# [03:33] <lurking> haha
# [03:34] <nigelb> :/
# [03:34] <nigelb> I don't know what's wrong. I never should have done an hg pull & hg update until I was done with this patch.
# [03:34] <njn> philor: is try server usable ATM?
# [03:35] * njn has two try jobs running and a 3rd ready to push
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# [03:35] <philor> njn: as long as you don't mind seeing your results by downloading the full logs off ftp.m.o, should be usable
# [03:36] <njn> philor: um
# [03:36] <nigelb> lurking: Can you try typing console.log('fail'); into your console, press enter and do it again. The second time is what segfaults for me.
# [03:36] <njn> philor: what's the problem with tbpl?
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# [03:37] <philor> njn: well, given the amount of access I have to it, which would be "http", I'd say the problem is that it returns a 500 error :)
# [03:37] <nigelb> heh
# [03:37] <Unfocused> mozillians.org is doing the same
# [03:38] <nigelb> I blame zeus :P
# [03:38] <njn> so the outage is undiagnosed?
# [03:38] <nthomas> njn: the jobs will continue to run, and start if you push. it's just a reporting problem if tbpl is down
# [03:38] <njn> nthomas: ok, that's useful info, thanks
# [03:38] <lurking> nigelb: no ill efects here when I enter that line
# [03:38] <nigelb> lurking: drat.
# [03:38] <lurking> did it three times in a row
# [03:39] <nigelb> I guess I can cry at little.
# [03:39] <lurking> sounds like maybe your pull messed something up, I don't build so I have no idea how to do that -
# [03:39] <lurking> I'm not a coder at all
# [03:40] <nigelb> ah, this is only on my build. THe nightly download works fine for me.
# [03:40] <lurking> there ya go \o/
# [03:40] <nigelb> oh, *wooo* services-central tree looks fine. I could possible do the work in there :)
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# [03:45] <lurking> philor: tbpl just came back up for me
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# [03:48] * philor changes topic to 'mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [03:48] <gavin> has someone told bhackett that his merge triggered almost every talos regression email that can be triggered?
# [03:49] <philor> yup, somewhere in the early-midst of that mailstorm is a brief exchange between him and bz
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# [03:49] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656943#c547 has to be the very best HONEYSWEETNESS17 comment
# [03:50] <edmorley> !seen billm
# [03:50] <firebot> billm was last seen 2 days, 2 hours, 54 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying 'jorendorff: but luke is right, private pointers will soon be trouble.' in #jsapi.
# [03:50] <nigelb> philor: Oh, they comment as well? I've only seen CC notifications so far.
# [03:51] <nigelb> haha, epic.
# [03:51] <edmorley> Bill McCloskey is billm yeah?
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# [03:52] <philor> yeah
# [03:52] <nigelb> I still haven't figured how to read the new tbpl.
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# [03:52] <nigelb> I can see only the latest build from a day?
# [03:52] <Callek> nigelb: "new" tbpl?
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# [03:53] <Callek> or do you mean, "tbpl" vs "tinderbox"?
# [03:53] <nigelb> Callek: Well, compared to tinderbox.
# [03:53] <nigelb> Oh.
# [03:53] <nigelb> tinderbox still exists?
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# [03:53] <Callek> well yes and no
# [03:53] <edmorley> nigelb: press the downarrow, if enough time has passed that you can't see the build you want
# [03:53] <Callek> you won't find any Firefox results on it
# [03:54] <nigelb> hah
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# [03:54] <nigelb> Anyway, so which build is displayed on the right? The latest for each day?
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# [03:55] <philor> oh, Access Denied
# [03:55] <edmorley> philor: re inbound tip
# [03:55] <philor> edmorley: well, if you see him, tell him I backed his failing ass out
# [03:55] <edmorley> want me to yoink
# [03:56] <philor> already did
# [03:56] <edmorley> oh done, not refreshed yet
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# [03:56] <philor> I'm tired of having to star fifty things across three or four pushes, I vote for more early and often backouts
# [03:56] <edmorley> philor: sounds like a plan :-)
# [03:57] <edmorley> nigelb: the changeset on which the builds/tests were run, is the one on the left
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# [03:58] <nigelb> edmorley: Its run on multiple changesets at a time?
# [03:58] <nigelb> Ok, now things make sense.
# [03:58] <edmorley> one per push, and a push can be multiple changesets
# [03:58] <squib> question: is there a way to detect when a XUL textbox loses focus? the onblur event seems to get fired every time you click on it (presumably because it's refocusing on the XBL-bound html:input element)
# [03:58] <edmorley> except during busy times, tests are coalesced
# [03:59] <nigelb> Also, did Brian hackett's push on Dec 3rd break something?
# [03:59] <edmorley> so the tests are not run on every push
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# [04:00] <nigelb> edmorley: AH, now I finally understand how this works, thanks :)
# [04:01] <edmorley> nigelb: it regressed a few things, which bug 707515 will deal with :-)
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# [04:01] <nigelb> edmorley: Can I blame my segfaults on that? :D
# [04:01] <nigelb> The backtrace showed somethign related to JS and that's the only JS engine-ish thing I could see recently merged in.
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# [04:02] <edmorley> maybe bisect might be the easiest way to resolve?
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# [04:03] <nigelb> Sigh.
# [04:03] <nigelb> Every build takes 2 hours
# [04:03] <nigelb> it'll take weeks!
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# [04:03] <edmorley> use tinderbox builds
# [04:04] <nthomas> watch out for the old/ that appeared there at the end of last week
# [04:04] <nigelb> I guess that's the best thing to do than sit clueless.
# [04:04] <nigelb> At least I can file a bug on what broke things.
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# [04:07] <edmorley> nigelb: shouldn't take long if you bisect (given it's O(log(n)) ) and download the builds from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/
# [04:08] <edmorley> to narrow down to the closest nightly, mozregression makes things really quick http://mozilla.github.com/mozregression/
# [04:08] <nigelb> edmorley: But the problem is, the published nightly seems to work. Failure is on my builds.
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# [04:09] <gavin> hg bisect!
# [04:09] <edmorley> nigelb: oh sorry, missed that part of the scrollback
# [04:09] <squib> nevermind about the focus thing; it turns out another element was stealing focus on mousedown :/
# [04:10] <nigelb> gavin: I'm tempted. But this 2 hour build time thing is a turn off :|
# [04:10] <nigelb> Hrm, actually.
# [04:11] <nigelb> Work computer! I can keep doing builds on that for bisecting.
# [04:11] <edmorley> nigelb: 2 hours even if you --disable-tests and if RAM is a limiting factor, --disable-debug-symbols ?
# [04:11] <nigelb> I haven't tried either, i'll do that!
# [04:12] <edmorley> nigelb: the latter makes quite a difference for me, with only 2GB ram
# [04:12] <nigelb> same here :)
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# [04:15] <edmorley> nigelb: ccache?
# [04:15] <nigelb> Yep, all setup.
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# [04:16] <nigelb> I haven't actually measured after ccache setup.
# [04:16] <edmorley> ah ok
# [04:16] <nigelb> The 2 hour time measurement was before setting it up.
# [04:16] <edmorley> I was just thinking 2 hours sounds more like windows build times :/
# [04:16] <nigelb> Its a fairly old laptop.
# [04:17] <nigelb> 2 cores, 2 GB ram.
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# [04:17] <Unfocused> i'm so, so very sorry.
# [04:17] * edmorley looks at his 2 cores, 2gb ram :-(
# [04:18] <nigelb> I wonder, how expensive it would be to fly to Dunedin to give Unfocused a kick :P
# [04:18] <philor> heycam: oh. boy. more ways to get orange. oh. boy.
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# [04:18] <heycam> philor, what have I done now
# [04:18] <philor> left crash dumps behind
# [04:18] <Unfocused> heh.. more expensive than a new computer :\
# [04:19] <heycam> oh yes well that *should* have been failing all this time...
# [04:19] <nigelb> Unfocused: good point.
# [04:20] <nigelb> Also, hrm, 15 mins to bugzilla downtime I think.
# [04:20] <glob> correct
# [04:20] <Unfocused> quick, load all the bugs in new tabs!
# [04:20] <nigelb> heh
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# [04:21] <philor> sure, it should have been failing, but it hasn't, and we have what I think is technically known as "a crapload" of orange, and we no longer fix any of it, and "we" no longer file any of it
# [04:21] <Unfocused> if enough of us do it, we may force bugzilla to collapse before the downtime ;)
# [04:21] <nigelb> hahah
# [04:21] <glob> \o/
# [04:21] <glob> no, wait
# [04:21] <nigelb> lol
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# [04:29] <philor> crap guess I better file the browser_bug537449.js nsITypeAheadFind.setDocShell exception
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# [04:34] <nigelb> philor: quick before bugzilla is down ;)
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# [04:42] <glob> bmo outage has started
# [04:43] <Callek> O Noes, BMO is DOWN, why wasn't this announced anywhere... such as the BMO status header (for a few days), or newsgroups, etc.
# [04:43] * Callek says with a fiendish smirk on his face
# [04:43] <nigelb> haha
# [04:44] <glob> /kick Callek
# [04:44] <nigelb> lol
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# [04:48] <ewong> what if it's more than 30 minutes?
# [04:48] <nigelb> we send in reinforcements ;)
# [04:49] <ewong> I hope Murphy isn't around....
# [04:49] <ewong> narf
# [04:50] <glob> hey! no jinxing!
# [04:50] <nigelb> Well, it is a Monday...
# [04:51] <ewong> Manic Monday...
# [04:52] <ewong> sorry.. I don't wanna work.. I wanna bang on the drums all day...
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# [04:56] <ewong> and now..back to your regularly scheduled program...
# [04:58] <Callek> nigelb: not for me, its not monday yet :-)
# [04:59] <nigelb> Callek: Hah, 1 hour to go? ;)
# [05:00] <edmorley> I'm liking the look of http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.0/revision/7967
# [05:02] <glob> bmo's back up
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# [05:03] <Callek> edmorley: ooo so if someone requests review from me, I'll get CC'ed to the bug now?
# [05:03] * Callek cheers!
# [05:03] <Unfocused> yay
# [05:03] <jcranmer|away> yay
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# [05:03] <nigelb> yay!
# [05:03] <glob> Callek, yes, you can disable this with yet-another-pref if required
# [05:04] <Callek> glob: really I _like_ this behavior
# [05:04] <Callek> glob: is it a literal "adds Callek to CC list" or is it a "as long as Callek is review-requested, he gets mail, after he's no longer requested goes back to `normal` behavior"
# [05:05] <jcranmer|away> I wonder
# [05:05] <glob> Callek, you are actually CCed to the bug when you are r?'ed
# [05:05] <jcranmer|away> does Mozilla have an official list of all repositories?
# [05:05] <Callek> glob: great, that works out just fine for my needs :-)
# [05:06] <Callek> hell I've been meaning to write a TB extension to CC me to a bug when I was review-requested anyway, just never got around to _wanting_ to write a TB filter extension to allow that
# [05:06] <Callek> so really really really happy now
# [05:07] <njn> what's the difference between nsTArray and nsAutoTArray?
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# [05:07] <jdm> njn: nsAutoTArray starts off stack-allocated
# [05:07] <bent> njn, stack storage
# [05:08] <nigelb> wait, bugzilla development is in bzr? o_O
# [05:08] <njn> jdm, bent: the array storage is stack-allocated? but the header is normal (ie. heap)
# [05:08] <Callek> nigelb: has been for a while now
# [05:08] <jdm> nigelb: yep. the only vcses we're missing are darcs, fossil and perforce
# [05:08] <Callek> nigelb: we really *do* cover the gambit of RCS's
# [05:08] <nigelb> Nice!
# [05:08] <nigelb> jdm: lol
# [05:08] <jdm> njn: yep
# [05:08] <njn> jdm: k, thx
# [05:08] <kinetik> you forgot about arch
# [05:08] <jdm> njn: it's stack-allocated until it grows beyond the initial size, then switches to the heap
# [05:09] <jdm> kinetik: also sourcesafe
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# [05:09] <glob> lol vss
# [05:09] <jcranmer|away> there's the one that's built into smalltalk
# [05:10] <njn> jdm: if the header is heap-allocated and the array storage is stack-allocated that sounds like a recipe for disaster
# [05:11] <njn> jdm: oh, it's not stack-allocated, its inline in the array header?
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# [05:11] * njn suspects nsTAutoArray is a bad name, nsTInlineArray might be better
# [05:12] <mwu> it's like nsAutoString
# [05:12] <njn> mwu: I've never used nsAutoString :/
# [05:13] <njn> mwu: nsAutoString is just a typedef for nsString
# [05:13] <mwu> it has a built in amount of space on the stack and autoallocates heap space when the string gets too long
# [05:14] <njn> "built in amoutn of space on the stack" doesn't make snese
# [05:14] <njn> the nsString could be heap-allocated
# [05:14] <njn> "built in space" makes space
# [05:14] <njn> *makes sense
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# [05:15] <mattwoodrow> njn: It lets you statically assign an initial size for the string buffer (using a template parameter) which is allocated on the stack
# [05:16] <mattwoodrow> when it needs more space then that, it switches to a heap allocated buffer
# [05:16] <njn> everyone keeps saying the array/char storage is allocated on the stack, but that can't be right
# [05:16] <njn> it must be inline in the string/array header object
# [05:16] <mattwoodrow> why not?
# [05:17] <njn> "if the header is heap-allocated and the array storage is stack-allocated that sounds like a recipe for disaster"
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# [05:17] <mattwoodrow> Sorry, I see what you're saying
# [05:18] <mattwoodrow> I don't think you're allowed to heap-allocate nsAutoArray
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# [05:18] <njn> mattwoodrow: numerous classes have an nsAutoArray as a member
# [05:18] <njn> they must be heap-allocated
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# [05:19] <mattwoodrow> you make a convincing point :)
# [05:20] <njn> :)
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# [05:20] <mattwoodrow> the storage is just inline in the object
# [05:20] <njn> mattwoodrow: that's why putting "Auto" in the name is bad
# [05:20] <mattwoodrow> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsTArray.h#1330
# [05:20] <njn> because it confuses people into thinking it's got something to do with stack allocation
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# [05:27] <bent> meh, auto means inline storage
# [05:28] <bent> not stack
# [05:28] <bent> when the object is on the stack then yes, it's stack storage
# [05:28] <bent> otherwise it's not :)
# [05:28] <bent> same with our string classes
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# [06:00] <njn> bent: "auto" may mean "inline" in Mozilla Bizarro world
# [06:01] <mattwoodrow> njn: It's only inline while the inline storage is big enough though, then it switches to allocated
# [06:02] <njn> mattwoodrow: sure... still not "auto" by any sensible/standard meaning of the word :)
# [06:02] <mattwoodrow> automatically switching between inline and allocated?
# [06:02] <mattwoodrow> I guess it's a bit of a jump
# [06:03] <njn> mattwoodrow: to me, "auto" is like "automatic variable", ie. has block scope
# [06:03] <njn> that's the use in e.g. "MutexAutoLock"
# [06:04] <njn> and 4 different people in quick succession tried to tell me that the storage in nsAutoTArray/nsAutoString is stack-allocated
# [06:04] <njn> which indicates pretty clearly to me it's a bad name
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# [06:08] <roc> the storage is allocated in the same scope as the variable itself
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# [06:09] <roc> which is the stack, if the variable is a stack variable
# [06:10] <njn> roc: yep
# [06:11] <njn> roc: but that doesn't say "auto" to me
# [06:11] <@dbaron> so is nsStackString a better name?
# [06:11] <@dbaron> or would that confuse people in the cases where it's used in the heap
# [06:11] <mattwoodrow> nsInitiallyInlineString
# [06:11] <@dbaron> That seems to imply the "inline" keyword which is about compilation rather than storage...
# [06:12] <mattwoodrow> too many meanings, not enough words :)
# [06:12] <@dbaron> C++ already uses |static| for quite a few different things, too
# [06:12] <@dbaron> also |extern|
# [06:12] <jcranmer|away> the hardest problem in CS is naming
# [06:12] <jcranmer|away> that, and cache management
# [06:13] <roc> those are the only problems in CS
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# [06:13] <jcranmer|away> now, time to figure out why my code is failing to live up to its name
# [06:14] <njn> dbaron: nsStackString is even worse than nsAutoString
# [06:14] <roc> nsAutoTArray etc may not be great names, but I'm not sure how you'd make them better
# [06:14] <njn> dbaron: nsInlineString isn't bad, IMO
# [06:14] <njn> inline storage is sufficiently different from inline functions that I don't mind the reuse
# [06:14] <jcranmer|away> roc: mozilla::AutoTArray? :-)
# [06:14] <roc> for "stuff that goes away when the variable goes out of scope" it sounds OK to me
# [06:15] <kinetik> mozilla::Array
# [06:15] <njn> js::Vector uses the word "inline" extensively
# [06:15] <njn> e.g. usingInlineStorage
# [06:15] <njn> roc: for "stuff that goes away when the variable goes out of scope", "auto" is perfect
# [06:16] <jcranmer|away> LLVM uses "small"
# [06:16] <jcranmer|away> e.g., SmallVector
# [06:16] <roc> well, that's probably what motivated "nsAutoString"
# [06:17] <roc> anyway, if you want to go around renaming things, there are much more obvious improvements to be made
# [06:17] <jcranmer|away> like nsISupports? *snark*
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# [06:19] <roc> heck, if you want to rename nsAutoTArray and nsTArray to mozilla::InlineArray and mozilla::Array everywhere, that seems fine too
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# [06:30] <biesi_> njn, I suspect the CS point of view is to use haskell and let the compiler parallelize it :)
# [06:31] <reuben> :D
# [06:33] <nigelb> biesi_: I have this urge to yell "troll" :P
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# [07:06] <jlebar> njn: yeah, I don't see what's particularly wrong with "auto". "Inline" is arguably better, but the problem isn't "auto" but that people think "auto" means "stack."
# [07:06] <jlebar> For no good reason.
# [07:06] <njn> jlebar: automatic variables
# [07:06] <njn> that's a good reason
# [07:07] <njn> but there's no sane way to get from "auto" to "inline storage"
# [07:07] <njn> anyway, I've gotta run
# [07:07] <jlebar> njn: Ah, that is a good reason.
# [07:07] * jlebar had never heard of "automatic variable".
# [07:07] <jlebar> njn: cya
# [07:08] <njn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_variable
# [07:08] <jlebar> yeah, I just looked it up
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# [07:10] <jesup> jlebar: they don't teach that term anymore?
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# [07:10] <jlebar> jesup: Not at Stanford, anyway!
# [07:10] <jlebar> Everyone knows "local variable".
# [07:10] <jlebar> The |auto| keyword seems to have gone the way of |register|.
# [07:11] <jesup> Ah, register, I knew it well
# [07:11] <Callek> they are both still valid :-P
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# [07:12] <jesup> It was on the way out even back in the mid 80's for "good" compilers - but still handy even if the compiler ignored it generally since it guarantees nothing will take a pointer to the var
# [07:12] <jesup> And that's useful to an optimizer (especially as 'noalias' got shot down many moons ago)
# [07:14] <jlebar> What's the right way to tell if I have a pointer to a chrome docshell?
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# [07:15] <jesup> "automatic variable" as a term might be more often heard in compiler courses - not sure if they teach compiler construction to undergrads now; they didn't use to - my bet is it's a grad-level subject
# [07:15] <jlebar> Ah, mItemType.
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# [07:15] <jlebar> jesup: We didn't use that term in any of the three compilers courses I took, either. :)
# [07:16] <jesup> Hmm. Odd. 'local var' has slightly different connotations to me
# [07:16] <jesup> oh well
# [07:16] <jlebar> But you have a very small sample size here.
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# [07:21] <bent> NEVAH
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# [07:24] <bent> anyone know if try will do a linux pgo?
# [07:25] <jlebar> bent: if you ask politely.
# [07:25] <jlebar> bent: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Build:TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
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# [07:50] <jlebar> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1392477
# [07:50] <jlebar> bent ^
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# [07:55] <birtles> is anyone using bzexport on windows? I get problems with it not finding the json module
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# [08:39] <darktrojan> birtles, what python version have you got?
# [08:39] <darktrojan> json was added in 2.7 iirc
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# [08:40] <birtles> darktrojan, I have 2.7, but Mercurial for windows runs 2.6 unless you build it yourself
# [08:40] <birtles> that must be it then I guess
# [08:40] <darktrojan> uh, that sounds odd
# [08:40] <darktrojan> I guess it's using the version from mozilla build
# [08:41] <birtles> no, I've aliased hg to point to a more recent version
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# [08:42] <birtles> but I'm guessing even that version uses python26.dll
# [08:42] <darktrojan> JSON encoder and decoder
# [08:42] <darktrojan> New in version 2.6.
# [08:42] * darktrojan shrugs
# [08:43] <birtles> I don't know then, perhaps its the py2exe issue mentioned in the README
# [08:43] <birtles> but I'm just surprised no-one else has run into it
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# [08:44] <darktrojan> never used bzexport personally
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# [08:46] <darktrojan> ouch
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# [09:11] <Yoric> I have a small problem with our autoconf system.
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# [09:11] <Yoric> I would like to use AC_CHECK_MEMBERS to find out whether |struct stat| defines some field.
# [09:11] <Yoric> Unfortunately, it seems that our autoconf does not like AC_CHECK_MEMBERS.
# [09:12] <Yoric> Any suggestion?
# [09:12] <Yoric> (or is it just my Mac?)
# [09:13] <db48x2> when was it introduced?
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# [09:14] <Yoric> Trying to find out.
# [09:15] <db48x2> we still use autoconf 2.13, so maybe it's not supported
# [09:15] <Yoric> Somewhere after 2.13, it seems.
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# [09:15] <Yoric> :/
# [09:15] <eBoLAtrapO_> 2.13 is pretty ancient
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# [09:15] <Yoric> Well, I guess I should do platform sniffing instead of capability detection.
# [09:16] <eBoLAtrapO_> oh only like 12 years old heh
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# [09:17] <Yoric> :)
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# [09:18] <eBoLAtrapO_> I have a feeling OS/2 support could have something to do with why it's still used, anyone really know?
# [09:19] <db48x2> eBoLAtrapO_: the versions after that aren't compatible
# [09:19] <db48x2> they removed some features that we use
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# [09:21] <eBoLAtrapO_> db48x2: I see.
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# [09:21] <glazou> what are you guys using to convert a video to ogg on win7?
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# [09:25] <KWierso> glazou: I think firefogg works: http://firefogg.org/
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# [09:26] <glazou> thanks KWierso
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# [09:26] <KWierso> (maybe not for Nightly)
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# [09:39] <glazou> anyone here on windows ?
# [09:40] <KWierso> yo
# [09:40] <glazou> what's the value of Components.classes["@mozilla.org/xre/app-info;1"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIXULRuntime).OS on windows ?
# [09:40] * KWierso guesses WINNT
# [09:40] <KWierso> will check
# [09:40] <KWierso> yeah, "WINNT"
# [09:40] <glazou> FF error console will tell you
# [09:40] <glazou> thanks a lot KWierso
# [09:41] <KWierso> glazou: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/OS_TARGET
# [09:41] <glazou> ah, thanks :-)
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# [09:46] * glazou finalizes an add-on that will let anyone customize all firefox shortcuts
# [09:47] <darktrojan> how do you mean, customize?
# [09:47] <glazou> change, delete, add
# [09:47] <glazou> in the browser itself
# [09:48] <glazou> persistent across sessions
# [09:48] <glazou> darktrojan: as in http://bluegriffon.org/post/2011/10/12/Shortcut-customization-in-BlueGriffon
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# [09:53] <darktrojan> ah, cunning
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# [09:53] <glazou> :)
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# [09:53] <darktrojan> not the sort of shortcuts I was thinkin of
# [09:53] <darktrojan> +g
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# [09:55] * darktrojan wonders why he's getting console errors on that link
# [09:56] <darktrojan> I'm going to blame noscript
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# [10:05] <glazou> eheh works fine :-)
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# [10:06] <glazou> darktrojan: http://glazman.org/tmp/ff-shortcuts.png
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# [10:29] <Unfocused> as in https://github.com/ttaubert/customizable-shortcuts ?
# [10:30] <Unfocused> heh, almost the same ui too
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# [10:35] <glazou> Unfocused: oh !!! totally independently
# [10:35] <glazou> never heard about it before
# [10:35] <glazou> and I did my bluegriffon implem w/o knowing about it
# [10:36] <Unfocused> heh, yea, figured. weird coincidence with the ui though
# [10:36] <glazou> not a ton of different ways to present that you know...
# [10:36] <Unfocused> although maybe tim saw bluegriffon? *shrug*
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# [10:37] <Unfocused> well, you two are even using the same icon
# [10:37] <glazou> comes from Tango
# [10:37] <Unfocused> ah
# [10:37] <glazou> I wrote my code between 6th and 10th of october
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# [10:38] <Unfocused> yea, tim's addon has been around since before then
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# [10:38] <glazou> funny
# [10:38] <glazou> really never heard about it before
# [10:39] * KWierso goes to install both
# [10:39] <Unfocused> heh
# [10:40] * KWierso 's chatzilla window just shifted over so the timestamp is on the left with a HUGE amount of whitespace between the timestamp and usernames...
# [10:40] <KWierso> :\
# [10:40] <KWierso> and now it's back to normal?
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# [10:43] <nigelb> KWierso: glitch in the matrix ;)
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# [10:47] <Unfocused> nope. not in here, at least
# [10:48] <smaug> how do I find some very active twitter feeds (or what those are called)?
# [10:48] <Unfocused> streams?
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# [10:49] <fabrice> smaug: not sure if this fits your need, but check http://inkdroid.org:3000/ for a fast updating page
# [10:50] <smaug> but that is not twitter
# [10:50] <nigelb> smaug: what are you trying to do? Depends on that :)
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# [10:50] <smaug> I'm trying to get lots of updates to twitter
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# [10:50] * smaug doesn't even understand the crazy UI of twitter yet
# [10:51] <nigelb> hrm, the bes thing would be to do a search on somethign trending
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# [10:51] <nigelb> *best
# [10:51] <nigelb> that should give you a lot of updates
# [10:51] <smaug> there was some hint that twitter might cause lots of CC garbage
# [10:51] <KWierso> cc Asa ^
# [10:52] <nigelb> smaug: alternative, create an account and keep posting to it from some commandline app :)
# [10:52] <Unfocused> yea, a search will do it
# [10:52] <nigelb> YOu can control the speed :D
# [10:52] <smaug> nigelb: ah, that might be an option
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# [10:52] <nigelb> tweepy is quite simple to use, if you want to go that route.
# [10:52] <Unfocused> though in my experience, twitters problem is sessionrestore (lots of about:blank frames being saved)
# [10:53] <Unfocused> theres a bug on that somewhere
# [10:53] <smaug> I'm still trying to get the browser to a state where CC times are bad
# [10:54] <smaug> and looks like they are getting worse, but that is expected if one opens new heavy weight tabs
# [10:55] <Unfocused> something like https://twitter.com/#!/search/the should work
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# [10:57] <smaug> I wish I could understand twitter UI
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# [10:58] <nigelb> heh
# [10:58] <nigelb> The messsage bits is completely broken.
# [10:58] <Unfocused> yea :\
# [10:58] <Unfocused> still... i'll take twitter over facebook any day
# [10:58] <nigelb> God point.
# [10:58] <nigelb> I haven't not logged into facebook in a while.
# [10:59] <nigelb> Twitter is less disruptive.
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# [11:00] <Unfocused> heh
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# [11:02] <darktrojan> it'd be nice if the power cable on my laptop didn't keep falling out :(
# [11:03] <nigelb> As long as you're not watching porn for testing, you're not doign it right :P
# [11:03] <nigelb> (Ref - quotes.burntelectrons.org/5598)
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# [11:25] <nigelb> auscompgeek: hah
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# [11:32] <glazou> Unfocused: my add-on highlights weaknesses in browser.js and tabbrowser.xml :-D
# [11:32] <glazou> like in
# [11:32] <glazou> let keyClose = document.getElementById("key_close");
# [11:32] <glazou> let closeKeyEnabled = keyClose.getAttribute("disabled") != "true";
# [11:32] <glazou> no null-check on keyClose...
# [11:33] <Unfocused> doesn't surprise me :\
# [11:33] <glazou> going to file a bug
# [11:33] * Unfocused nods
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# [11:35] <glazou> Unfocused: what would you pick as component ?
# [11:35] <glazou> Menus ? Toolbars ? something else ?
# [11:36] <Unfocused> menus, i guess
# [11:36] <glazou> ok thanks
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# [11:36] <Unfocused> keyboard navigation may also fit
# [11:37] <glazou> oh right
# [11:37] <Unfocused> someone willl see it either way
# [11:38] <Unfocused> *sigh* time to write code and get it working: 5min. time to test it: most of the day, and still going
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# [11:44] <glazou> argl BMO just stopped working for me
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# [11:45] <glazou> never submit again a bug about nullchecks :-)
# [11:46] <glazou> ah it's down
# [11:47] <Unfocused> uh..
# [11:47] <ashish> yeah, we're seeing some network isues in phx. hang in there
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# [11:47] <Unfocused> http://status.mozilla.com/ shows pretty red!
# [11:48] <Unfocused> red mean ti goes faster, right?
# [11:48] <glazou> like green means "not red yet" ? :-)
# [11:49] <Unfocused> hah
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# [11:50] <auscompgeek> WHAT? Network issues? In Phoenix? Never!
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# [11:53] <darktrojan> what are you testing, Unfocused?
# [11:54] <Unfocused> darktrojan: addon update dialog on startup, and the addon selection dialog
# [11:54] <Unfocused> just finished the first, one to the second
# [11:54] <darktrojan> oh fun
# [11:54] <Unfocused> er, on to
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# [11:55] <darktrojan> that's the disable third party addon thing?
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# [11:55] <glazou> Unfocused: I am trying to install a local XPI
# [11:55] <glazou> that fails because AMO is not pingable
# [11:55] <Unfocused> darktrojan: the addon selection dialog? yep
# [11:55] <Unfocused> er, really? huh. file a bug!
# [11:55] <glazou> even if it is pingable
# [11:55] <darktrojan> shouldn't that already have tests?
# [11:55] <glazou> it takes time
# [11:55] <Jesse> can't file this bug report while bugzilla is down, might as well do something else. *runs script*... oh, this script depends on bugzilla too.
# [11:56] <glob|away> yup. yup.
# [11:56] <Unfocused> oh, theres a bug somewhere to show a notification of some sort there
# [11:56] <darktrojan> bugzilla being down is mozilla's version of 20% time
# [11:56] <darktrojan> everybody work on something else
# [11:56] <Unfocused> darktrojan: yea, i'm testing my changes. i had to make it so AddonRepository refreshes everything when the app gets upgraded
# [11:57] <glazou> Unfocused: when you install a xpi from file, does the extension manager send a request somewhere ? safe browsing ? amo ?
# [11:57] <darktrojan> sounds like I'm going to have to relearn all that next time I'm in that code :-/
# [11:57] <Jesse> bugzilla seems to be working again now :)
# [11:58] <Unfocused> glazou: think it pings amo (metadata, and update check if it's incompatible), that should be it though
# [11:58] <glazou> wow
# [11:58] <glazou> why for HD-local ?
# [11:59] <glazou> and an add-on that has no link with AMO ?
# [11:59] <Unfocused> oh, only if the updateURL is empty
# [11:59] <glazou> D'OH
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# [12:00] <Unfocused> though it'll ping the updateURL if its incompatible (IIRC)
# [12:00] <glazou> wow
# [12:00] <glazou> so if my add-on has no auto-update, FF will ping AMO each time it's installed ? wow
# [12:00] <Unfocused> (it does that to get updated compatibility data)
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# [12:01] <Unfocused> and now days, AMO can store compatibility overrides for when compatible-by-default is enabled
# [12:01] <glazou> yes, but that's terribly slow. Installing an add-on from file can show a 20 seconds delay between the command and the display of the dialog
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# [12:01] <Unfocused> yea, there's a bug on that. somewhere.
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# [12:01] <glazou> from the user's perspective, that's an unresponsive UI
# [12:01] <glazou> ah ok
# [12:01] <glazou> will look for it
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# [12:02] <Unfocused> think i saw that in my bugmail recently, too
# [12:04] <Unfocused> glazou: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657581
# [12:05] <Unfocused> looking for a new owner
# [12:05] <Unfocused> i've been meaning to look into it, but i'm always swamped under at least 2 major projects :\
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# [12:07] <Unfocused> i think i remember Mossop saying to margaret that the patch there just needed minor fixups from someone who knows the notification code
# [12:07] <Unfocused> (or is willing to learn, for that matter)
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# [12:08] <Unfocused> and i see asa made it a p1 for the Snappy project, so it should see some movemeny now
# [12:08] <Unfocused> er, movement*
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# [12:25] <KaiRo> darktrojan: me too, but I think it's not complete enough yet
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# [12:32] <NeilAway> wtf
# [12:32] <NeilAway> Foo *foo = new Foo(); Bar(*foo); Baz(*foo); delete foo;
# [12:34] <NeilAway> oh, and I really don't like the foo->bar() = baz; syntax
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# [12:37] <NeilAway> mounir: ah, so it's your fault!
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# [12:39] <NeilAway> well, I guess I'm not going to see that particular NS_ERROR again in this browsing session
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# [12:41] <darktrojan> NS_ERROR_ONLY_ONCE?
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# [12:57] <NeilAway> or maybe not
# [12:57] <Unfocused> NS_ERROR_ONLY_TWICE?
# [12:57] <Unfocused> ;)
# [12:58] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, the code mentioned caching, but it looks as if the NS_ERROR applies on read, not write :-(
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# [14:12] <sheppy> It's a little creepy actually :)
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# [15:07] <espindola> Standard8, bug 707648, is it 32 or 64 bits build that fails?
# [15:07] <Standard8> espindola: I'm on 64 bit
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# [15:08] <espindola> ok, thanks
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# [15:11] <espindola> Standard8, version of clang?
# [15:11] <Standard8> espindola: clang version 3.1 (trunk 143346)
# [15:12] <espindola> thanks
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# [15:13] <NeilAway> smaugLunch: so, when you get back, I notice that nsPresShell::HandleEvent has an NS_ASSERTION(aFrame, "null frame")
# [15:14] <espindola> Standard8, last question just to make sure I can reproduce it, can you post the .mozconfig in the bug?
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# [15:14] <smaug> NeilAway: that has been filed
# [15:14] <smaug> and Enn has some patch for that
# [15:14] <Standard8> espindola: sure, though I did use TB ;-)
# [15:14] <smaug> NeilAway: but IIRC the patch needs to be updated
# [15:15] <NeilAway> smaug: ok, so I just have to ignore that for now?
# [15:15] <smaug> yeah
# [15:15] * NeilAway wishes that there was some way that assertions would reset the script timeout, since the timeout fires when you answer the assertion
# [15:15] <NeilAway> smaug: thanks!
# [15:16] <smaug> NeilAway: bug 704758
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# [15:17] <NeilAway> smaug: well, I'm not using an IME, I hope ;-)
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# [15:26] <NeilAway> bah, self-DOS attack :s
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# [15:53] <Steve> hi all - gecko windows implementation (as of ff8) renders combo box popups as native (hwnd) popup windows. does anyone know if there are plans to switch this to standar rendering onto the d2d surface ? this is required for offscreen rendering for 3D integration.
# [15:54] <lurking> Steve: probably best to ask that in #gfx I would think
# [15:54] <Steve> cheers. will do.
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# [16:01] <NeilAway> lurking: it wouldn't make sense, since the popup could extend outside the parent window
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# [16:02] <lurking> NeilAway: OK, just thought it sounded more like a GFX question - I don't have a clue how all this magic works
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# [16:23] <espindola> what should I say in the commit message when checking in patches by others?
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# [16:24] <fabrice> espindola: set the hg user correctly (ie not you)
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# [16:25] <espindola> silly question, how do I do that? :-)
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# [16:25] <espindola> commit -u?
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# [16:26] <derf> You could also just refer the patch author to http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed
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# [16:27] <espindola> It is a one off contribution to fix a build problem with LTO on newer gcc's
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# [16:28] <davidb> attribution is important
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# [16:28] <espindola> so it is probably reasonable for me to take the burden of doing it
# [16:28] <derf> Well, the information in that post is still good even if you're the one doing the work.
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# [16:30] <bbondy> Callek: Did you have a chance to run that patch through seamonkey btw?
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# [16:30] <bbondy> Callek: if not and you have a chance today I have an updated patch
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# [16:31] <jdm> espindola: qref -u
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# [16:33] <espindola> jdm, thanks
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# [16:52] <Standard8> bbondy: which attachment should I be looking at for that bug?
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# [16:53] <bbondy> Standard8: About to do a minor fix so it would be best to wait about an hour
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# [16:53] <Standard8> bbondy: ok, ping me when you attach it then
# [16:53] <bbondy> it'll be the one in bug 481815 call "All maintenance service and related code. v12"
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# [16:53] <bbondy> k
# [16:53] <bbondy> thx
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# [17:03] <bbondy> Standard8: you can use https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=578974
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# [17:12] <jgilbert> is the email stuff still having slowness issues?
# [17:12] <espindola> Standard8, do you mind adding to the bug which repo at what revision are you using?
# [17:12] <espindola> a debug build of firefox with m-c worked just fine
# [17:12] <Standard8> espindola: on a call at the moment, but this was c-c latest as of the time I filed the bug
# [17:13] <espindola> the only error at make check was a "too much recursion" from clang's -O0 using a lot of stack
# [17:13] <espindola> ok
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# [17:28] <bhearsum> did bugzilla just die for anyone else?
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# [17:28] <glob> bhearsum, it paused, but it's up again now
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# [17:29] <bhearsum> it's really really slow for me still
# [17:29] <bhearsum> and just got an ISA
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# [17:29] <glob> looks like another phx issue, amo is also having problems
# [17:29] <bhearsum> seems to be intermittent
# [17:29] <bhearsum> ah
# [17:29] <bhearsum> that's right, i heard netops is working on that
# [17:29] <ttaubert> bz: ping
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# [17:32] <gandalf> hsivonen: for l20n data blobs you suggested using <script type="application/l20n">blob</script> - where should I plug myself there? into nsHtml5TreeOperation::Perform under eTreeOpRunScript ?
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# [17:48] <Yoric> Oh great. I have just erased my `series` file.
# [17:48] <Yoric> Is there any way to recover from this kind of messup?
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# [17:49] <jimm> couldn't you do hg outgoing and rebuild it by hand?
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# [17:50] <Yoric> Well, I will try and find out what `hg outgoing` is and then, I'll tell you :)
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# [17:51] <Yoric> I have the impression that the information that `hg outgoing` gives me is not related at all to the information that my `series` files contain.
# [17:52] <jdm> Yoric: correct. series just holds a list of filenames of patches in the order they will be applied
# [17:52] <jimm> well, it supplies all patches currently applied, including those in your queue
# [17:52] <jdm> it's the best possible file to lose
# [17:52] <jimm> it doesn't report non-applied patches
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# [17:53] <Yoric> jdm: well, I remember the order. I just do not know what the long id refers to.
# [17:53] <jdm> long id?
# [17:53] <Yoric> Is it a changeset? A parent changeset? Something else?
# [17:53] <Yoric> Oh, did I say `series`?
# [17:53] <Yoric> I meant `status`.
# [17:53] <jdm> oh, shoot
# [17:54] <jdm> I'll check with mine
# [17:54] <jimm> all I have is patch file names in my series
# [17:54] <Yoric> Yeah, my bad, I meant `status`.
# [17:54] <jimm> (on windows)
# [17:54] <jdm> Yoric: looks like the changeset of the commit in the log of the patch when applied
# [17:55] <NeilAway> mounir: is BatteryInformation a generated class or something?
# [17:55] <jdm> Yoric: changeset:patch-name
# [17:55] <jimm> oy
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# [17:56] <Yoric> jdm: so where do I get that information?
# [17:56] <jimm> there's more info in there than just the changeset id. ffor example, outgoing reports 81069:e762a8690f23, status has e762a8690f231ea59020a5be09c33d283cace59e.
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# [17:57] <jdm> Yoric: hg log, look at the entries for your patches
# [17:57] <jdm> add them in reverse order
# [17:57] <Yoric> jdm: doesn't seem related.
# [17:57] <jdm> Yoric: I don't follow.
# [17:57] <smaugAway> bz: do you happen to have several tbpl tabs open?
# [17:57] <Yoric> Most of the patches on my queue are from today.
# [17:57] <Yoric> However, `hg log` lists only one entry for today.
# [17:58] <Yoric> Am I missing something?
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# [17:58] <smaugAway> bz: ah, apparently 4
# [17:58] <jdm> Yoric: I'm not really sure. Are you saying you had patches you created today, that were applied, before you lost your status file?
# [17:58] <jdm> Yoric: and that they're not showing up in your log view?
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# [17:59] <Yoric> jdm: I made, qfolded, etc. a few patches today. In the queue, my `hg log` only lists one entry for today, named "Merge", which is probably when I made the error.
# [18:00] <jdm> Yoric: just to be clear - were they _applied_ at the time you lost the file?
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# [18:00] <Yoric> Applied as in "qpush"?
# [18:00] <jdm> yes
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# [18:00] <Yoric> It looks so.
# [18:01] <jdm> because every patch in your queue that was pushed should have a corresponding commit in the log
# [18:01] <jdm> that's how mq and hg work
# [18:02] <Yoric> Here's my log: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1392918 .
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# [18:02] <Yoric> And here's my `status` file (which doesn't work – I forgot to .hgignore it and it was overwritten from remote): http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1392919
# [18:03] <st3fan> http://minus.com/myoawdFvB <- oops ?
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# [18:07] <jdm> Yoric: it might just be easier to strip your repo back to a known good state and reapply your patches
# [18:07] <Yoric> jdm: good point
# [18:08] <reuben> it should work if you manually fix the changeset ids
# [18:08] <Yoric> I will do that.
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# [18:08] <Yoric> reuben: where would I get these changeset ids?
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# [18:08] <reuben> but yeah, normally I don't try to be smart with RCS's, they like to bite me back later
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# [18:08] <reuben> Yoric, hg log
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# [18:08] <Yoric> reuben: nope, they don't show up (see above)
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# [18:09] <reuben> oh. are they on .hg/patches ?
# [18:09] <Yoric> yes
# [18:09] <reuben> can't you move them to another dir and qimport in the right order?
# [18:10] <Yoric> Yes, this is what I will do.
# [18:10] <Yoric> If I manage to first get back to a previous state.
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# [18:11] <reuben> st3fan, see 'Video FAQ'
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# [18:13] <Yoric> Let's see if it compiles.
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# [18:21] <dherman> recent nightlies seem to be having trouble loading some pages
# [18:21] <@bz> mrbkap: ping
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# [18:25] <bsmedberg> What tool can I use to debug first-chance JS exceptions?
# [18:25] <bsmedberg> do I need firebug or will the builtin tools do that somehow?
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# [18:31] <dherman> bz: I'm finding some pages consistently won't load (just spin forever) in latest nightly -- should I just file, or have someone double-check?
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# [18:32] <glob> dherman, i can check some pages for you
# [18:32] <dherman> glob: http://wiki.gandi.net/questions/en/domains/management/gandi-dns-zonefile/pointing-without-www-in-domain-name
# [18:32] <dherman> loads in chrome, not in nightly
# [18:32] <glob> dherman, wfm, nightly 2011-12-05
# [18:32] <dherman> hm
# [18:33] <glob> (osx)
# [18:33] <dherman> me too
# [18:33] <dherman> also google.com/reader
# [18:33] <dherman> though google.com/reader/view works
# [18:33] <dherman> lemme try a fresh profile
# [18:33] <dherman> my profile's been acting up lately
# [18:33] <glob> reader also wfm
# [18:34] <dherman> ok, yeah, it's my profile
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# [18:34] <dherman> sigh
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# [18:38] <dherman> I know how to backup/restore bookmarks, but is there any way to do the same with awesomebar history?
# [18:38] <jdm> dherman: sync?
# [18:38] <dherman> oh yeah duh :)
# [18:39] <jdm> it would be nice if we could just have a "profile spring-cleaner" that would sync all your data to a new profile for you in one click
# [18:39] <dherman> amen
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# [18:39] <KaiRo> bjacob: I tested OpenGL layers again today on my machine, and posted my findings/issues in bug 707722
# [18:39] <dherman> ...and it would be good to do that automatically from time to time
# [18:39] <jdm> it would be a lot easier to tell people to run that than just say "well you're using an old profile, nothing we can do!"
# [18:39] <jdm> right, exactly
# [18:40] <dherman> ISTM there's no clear way to even tell if crappy profiles are a prevalent (or dominant) cause of perf issues
# [18:40] <dherman> but maybe we have ways of gathering metrics on that?
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# [19:17] <decoder> Callek: btw, Ive been using tab mix plus for a while now and didnt see any changes in memory usage of ff
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# [19:19] <dherman> jdm: looks like there's a feature page for it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Support/Firefox_Features/Clean_up_user_profile
# [19:19] <dherman> zpao: ^^
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# [19:20] <jdm> nice
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# [19:21] <zpao> dherman: jdm: i think MattN has been working on it (or at least some part of it) in bug 294260
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# [19:24] <reuben> dherman, awesomebar history and bookmarks are on the same file, places.sqlite, btw
# [19:25] <dherman> yeah, but I didn't want to copy places.sqlite, esp. since ISTM that file itself could likely have been the source of the corruption
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# [19:28] <MattN_> zpao, dherman, jdm: yes, I haven't filed the follow-up bugs for that
# [19:29] <MattN_> the current plan is to actually create a new profile behind the scenes and migrate data over
# [19:29] <bsmedberg> josh: ping
# [19:29] <MattN_> I have WIP patches for profile creation and migrating bookmarks
# [19:29] <josh> bsmedberg: hi
# [19:30] <bsmedberg> josh: given a debug build of Firefox and pandora loaded into it
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# [19:30] <bsmedberg> josh: I want to know for a particular <object> element whether we actually have a plugin instance
# [19:30] <bsmedberg> do you know how I'd figure that out?
# [19:30] <bsmedberg> e.g. I have an <object id="Lifter">
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# [19:31] <bsmedberg> or bz ^^
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# [19:31] <gcp> hmmm, mod points and there's yet another "Firefox loses google funding" thread (on /. this time)
# [19:31] <bsmedberg> blech
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# [19:33] <josh> with my patch you can tell by whether or not nsObjectLoadingContent has mInstanceOwner != null
# [19:33] <bsmedberg> yeah, but I'll need to get that element in my debugger somehow...
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# [19:34] <bsmedberg> there are at least 5 Flash things on this page
# [19:34] <blassey> who is on build duty?
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# [19:38] <sheppy> sid0: In bug 675691 - is the summary in comment 0 an accurate representation of the final changes?
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# [19:39] <blassey> bear: ping?
# [19:39] <bear> jhford-buildduty ^^
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# [19:39] <bear> blassey - he's walking to work so he may not repond for 15-20 minutes
# [19:40] <blassey> ok
# [19:40] <bear> let me ping IT land to see if somehting is up
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# [19:41] <bear> my hunch is that it's just a very busy monday morning
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# [19:42] <blassey> when I've seen this sort of message before it was something the build duty person was able to fix
# [19:42] <blassey> that's about the extent of my knowledge though
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# [19:42] <Callek> bbondy: no I have not run it through SeaMonkey (yet)
# [19:42] <bbondy> Is there a way to tell try to only email the first submitted email and no others? I see options for all emails and for only on error. Maybe the no email does this.
# [19:42] <sid0> sheppy: it's no mozconfig by default, $topsrcdir/.mozconfig xor $topsrcdir/mozconfig
# [19:42] <bbondy> Callek: OK I'll ping you when the new patch is ready
# [19:43] <josh> bsmedberg: maybe break at nsObjectLoadingContent::InstantiatePluginInstance? All instantiation goes through that function
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# [19:43] <bbondy> Callek: It'll have an opt in build config so I'm more confident it will succeed
# [19:43] <sid0> sheppy: and the $MOZCONFIG env var is the only one we recognize
# [19:43] <bear> blassey :) - i've pinged IT to look if hg is being crazy or something
# [19:43] <blassey> thanks
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# [19:44] <josh> if you have an mInstanceOwner at the end then you had a successful instantiation, unless i messed up a failure case
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# [19:44] <sheppy> sid0: thanks, perfect
# [19:45] <sheppy> I shall scour docs and apply appropriate updates forthwith
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# [19:47] <blassey> bear: it just un-stucked
# [19:47] <blassey> thanks for doing whatever you did
# [19:47] <blassey> also "remote: added 1 changesets with 0 changes to 5 files (+1 heads) " that doesn't sound right
# [19:47] <bear> cool
# [19:47] <blassey> 0 changes?
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# [20:22] <bsmith> I am curious as to whether others are having difficulty connecting to https://mail.mozilla.com
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# [20:22] <josh> i am
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# [20:22] <edmorley> sheppy: bug 644861 so Firefox 5
# [20:22] <@dbaron> bsmith, justdave mentioned problems with it
# [20:22] <josh> has been down for an hour
# [20:23] <sheppy> edmorley: yeah, found it, thanks
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# [20:23] <bsmith> IMAP working?
# [20:23] <hub> bsmith: you are not alone
# [20:23] <hub> bsmith: fails here
# [20:23] <hub> too
# [20:23] <jimm> ditto
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# [20:24] <glob> "Zimbra is offline while we work with the hardware vendor on the storage array issues"
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# [20:26] <bjacob> KaiRo: pong
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# [20:29] <jhammel> planet.mozilla.org down too?
# [20:30] <KaiRo> bjacob: I tested OpenGL layers again today on my machine, and posted my findings/issues in bug 707722
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# [20:30] <glob> jhammel, wfm
# [20:30] <KaiRo> bjacob: just FYI - unfortunately there still are issues
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# [20:30] <glob> jhammel, don't use https
# [20:30] <jhammel> glob: weird, i can hit anything else i've tried :/
# [20:31] <jhammel> glob: i'm not :(
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# [20:31] <glob> jhammel, the only other idea i have is that you're cursed
# [20:31] <jhammel> glob: well that is undoubtedly true ;)
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# [20:32] <jhammel> actually, bugzilla is being buggy for me too
# [20:32] <glob> jhammel, see!
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# [20:33] <mak> hm, I can't access tbpl nor bugzilla
# [20:33] <lurking_work> bugzilla is not loading here, and tbpl seems down again :"(
# [20:33] <philor> HOLIDAY!
# [20:33] <jhammel> okay, so the network is just wonky
# [20:33] <philor> those portions of it that are in phx
# [20:33] <glob> more phx issues i guess :(
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# [20:36] <bjacob> KaiRo: i see, many thanks for the bug. when bugzilla resumes working, please make it 'Block
# [20:36] <bjacob> 'Block' instead of 'Depend on' the tracking bug
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# [20:38] <KaiRo> bjacob: will do
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# [20:44] <KWierso> heh... someone I know sent me a handful of crash report URLs the moment Socorro goes down with everything else
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# [20:45] <lurking_work> KWierso: isn't that how it always works ? :P
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# [20:49] <hsivonen> gandalf: using it has the benefit that you get to handle inline scripts inserted using the DOM APIs, too
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# [21:08] <mayhemer> any news on bugzilla being up again?
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# [21:09] <KWierso> mayhemer: status.mozilla.org still says it's down
# [21:09] <philor> aw, you missed the couple of minutes when it was up? bummer.
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# [21:09] <glob> #it may give you more news
# [21:10] <mayhemer> thanks :) it was up for a few moments, so I tried to submit a new bug... "Connection reset"
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# [21:10] <nemo> heh. http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/05/1717201/will-firefox-lose-google-funding slashdot is apparently trolling
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# [21:11] <gcp> It's because Chrome is the better browser. (Score:0, Flamebait) Well, some people still believe in us. :P
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# [21:13] <nemo> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38269356 - this one confused me a great deal
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# [21:15] <jdm> my friend just came by and told me it was a done deal that mozilla was losing its funding
# [21:15] <jdm> I told him to read the articles a bit harder
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# [21:16] <KWierso> the deal is dead, long live the deal!
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# [21:16] <Ms2ger> A deal?
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# [21:17] <KWierso> THE deal, apparently
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# [21:17] <dholbert> KWierso, welcome to Monday!
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# [21:17] <taras> sheppy: ping
# [21:17] <lurking_work> Monday is just another repeat of Fri,Sat,Sun
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# [21:18] <taras> sheppy: just wanted to remind you about telemetry docs
# [21:18] <KWierso> well, that's my cue to take the car into the shop...
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# [21:18] <sheppy> taras: yep, it's still on my list of things I'm trying to get done
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# [21:18] <sheppy> Although with everything broken right now, I'm about to call mfbt.
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# [21:18] <taras> mfbt?
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# [21:18] <Ms2ger> \o/
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# [21:19] <beltzner> sheppy: +1
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# [21:19] <Ms2ger> Booze or templates?
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> Or both?
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# [21:19] <sheppy> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mfbt
# [21:19] <sheppy> hehe
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# [21:20] <beltzner> http://www.marriedtothesea.com/021506/booze-time.jpg is the origin
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# [21:21] <@dbaron> "Connecting to bugzilla.mozilla.org ..."
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# [21:23] <espindola> looks like the problem I am having is bug 513747
# [21:23] <bwinton> dbaron: So, something like fossil? http://fossil-scm.org/
# [21:23] <espindola> but bugzilla is down :-(
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# [21:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/2965c8f56a84 - Smokey Ardisson - Bug 705610 - Prevent disabling DNS prefetch via nsIWebBrowserSetup from also disabling global history. r=bz, a1.9.2.25=dveditz
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# [21:42] <Jesse> should i enable SPDY? is it ready for me to test?
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# [21:43] <Mook_as> wasn't it all landed without reviewing the actual spdy bits (just the bits that got changed that would run with it preffed off?)
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# [21:47] <nigelb> heh, I had that question as well. THe last I asked there wasn't much in the way of figuring out how.
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# [21:48] <nemo> nigelb: google maps loads more smoothly? (just a guess)
# [21:49] <nigelb> nemo: Hrm, that's a good one.
# [21:49] <nigelb> I was planning on clearing cache from 2 browser profiles
# [21:49] <nigelb> and hitting a google property with firebug measuring load times.
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# [21:52] <nemo> nigelb: gotta say, I don't notice much difference w/ it on
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# [21:52] <nemo> so whatever advantage it has is subtle, although perhaps the proxies over here intrude
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# [21:52] <nemo> guess I should try at home
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# [21:55] <nemo> hum. google maps of my home town is still way lower resolution than the nifty new nokia maps 3d.
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# [22:01] <jprmc> smontagu: is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368996 still a valid bug?
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# [22:02] <imphil> or use http://www.spdytest.com/
# [22:03] <jprmc> actually, there are like 6 arabic bugs hanging out in gfx
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# [22:04] <smontagu> jprmc: all the testcases WFM in linux
# [22:04] <smontagu> there is a bug about arabic on facebook which I still see
# [22:04] <jprmc> yes
# [22:04] <jprmc> here are the ones i found
# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423632
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# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435545
# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592444
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# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610490
# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633905
# [22:05] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676068
# [22:05] <jprmc> several of them are about incorrectly joined text
# [22:06] <smontagu> I see bug 423632
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# [22:08] <smontagu> and bug 435545 on non-Mac
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# [22:10] <jprmc> smontagu: sorry, was disconnected - you see 423632?
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# [22:10] <smontagu> jprmc: yes. and also bug 435545 on non-mac
# [22:11] <smontagu> bug 592444 WFM
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# [22:11] <hub> how do I edit a commit message on a commit I already made?
# [22:11] <hub> :-/
# [22:11] <gavin> have you pushed it yet?
# [22:11] <hub> NO
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# [22:11] <gavin> hg qimport, hg qref -e
# [22:11] <gavin> qimport -r
# [22:12] <gavin> then you can qfinish it again
# [22:12] <hub> oh nice
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# [22:12] <hub> thanks !
# [22:12] <gavin> np
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# [22:13] <hub> I'm trying to push to try
# [22:13] <hub> first time
# [22:14] <gavin> congrats :)
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# [22:14] <jhammel> hub: the first time always hurts ;)
# [22:14] <hub> yeah
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# [22:14] <hub> it will hurt more as I'll need to fiddle with the mozconfig to get an actually tryable build
# [22:14] <hub> (to enable a11y on Mac)
# [22:15] <sfink> you can use a mozconfig-extra
# [22:15] <hub> but let's see if my commit can be push to inbound
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# [22:43] <edmorley> hub: you can leave the changeset as an mq when pushing to try, if you |hg push try -f| which saves having to reimport to rebase later
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# [22:50] <hub> edmorley: yeah I noticed. that's what I just did. but I was stuck trying to figure out how to go back to the mq
# [22:51] <espindola> can 1.9.2 changes be pushed to try?
# [22:51] <dholbert> espindola, last I checked, yes
# [22:52] <Mossop> Really depends on whether the test slaves can build and run 1.9.2. OSX might have problems as I don't think 1.9.2 supported 64-bit builds
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# [22:56] <espindola> bugzilla down again? :-(
# [22:57] <espindola> and imap
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# [23:00] <ehsan> is MDN down?
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# [23:01] <philor> does a Phoenix need to start with ashes?
# [23:01] <dholbert> ehsan, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ WFM
# [23:01] <ehsan> hmm
# [23:01] <ehsan> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsITelemetry doesn't wfm
# [23:02] <@bz> anyone know when peterv will be back?
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# [23:03] <@bz> and is bugzilla down?
# [23:03] <dholbert> ehsan, doesn't WFM either ("The connection was reset")
# [23:03] <dholbert> bz, I just loaded Bugzilla front page, though it took a few seconds
# [23:04] <dholbert> bz, http://status.mozilla.com/ says bugzilla's having issues though
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# [23:06] <ehsan> taras: do we have any docs on how to add telemetry probes
# [23:06] <ehsan> ?
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# [23:06] <roc> bugzilla is hurting
# [23:06] <gavin> :(
# [23:07] <taras> ehsan: no
# [23:07] <mconnor> not IT's day
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# [23:07] <ehsan> taras: any samples, etc? I'm looking for how to do that from js
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# [23:08] <gavin> ehsan: bug 704538
# [23:08] <ehsan> gavin: thanks (although I can't see the bug!)
# [23:08] <gavin> (let me find you a link to a server that isn't down)
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# [23:08] <gavin> ehsan: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/575d46b7119d
# [23:08] <gavin> that's a boolean probe, they're a bit easier
# [23:08] <ehsan> great!
# [23:09] <ehsan> well
# [23:09] <gavin> I think there's a HISTOGRAM_BOOLEAN now too
# [23:09] <mcpherrin> bugzilla is sad, so I'm complaining here: Have there been any changes to code detecting 3rd party addons recently? I just restarted my nightly and got a tab for each of my addons, asking if I wanted to permit it to be installed. And AFAIK from the UI, required me to restart for each and every addon?! (except restartless ones, obviously)
# [23:09] <ehsan> hg seems to be down too
# [23:09] <gavin> or there will be soon
# [23:09] <gavin> hg wfm
# [23:09] <ehsan> but I can dig out that rev from my clone
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# [23:21] <darktrojan> mcpherrin, try Unfocused, although I don't think what he was working on has landed
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# [23:26] <darktrojan> bugzilla still on the blink? :(
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# [23:28] <jimm> appears to be.
# [23:28] <darktrojan> I'll go do something else then
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# [23:41] <khuey> Ms2ger: want to kill some really ancient cruft?
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# [23:42] <Ms2ger> ... Maybe?
# [23:42] <Ms2ger> Tell me about it
# [23:42] <khuey> nsXPIDL[C]String
# [23:43] <Ms2ger> And what should it be replaced with?
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# [23:43] <khuey> ns[C]String
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# [23:43] <khuey> I don't think it actually does anything besides add cruft these days
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# [23:43] <Ms2ger> CC me on the bug, please :)
# [23:44] <khuey> heh, ok
# [23:44] <bsmedberg> khuey: you are actually incorrect on that count
# [23:44] <bsmedberg> there is one subtle but important difference
# [23:44] <khuey> oh?
# [23:44] <bsmedberg> nsXPILDCString.get() will return NULL for an empty string
# [23:44] <bsmedberg> while nsCString.get() will return ""
# [23:44] <khuey> mmm
# [23:44] <khuey> that's fun
# [23:45] <bsmedberg> and we rely on this occasionally, it's awesome
# [23:45] <khuey> yeah
# [23:45] <khuey> anything to do with strings in gecko is awesome
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# [23:47] <Ms2ger> s/in gecko //
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# [23:48] <ted2> hah
# [23:48] <ted2> well if you don't have to integrate with anything it's great!
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# [23:49] <ted2> you can just use std::[w]string and you're good to go
# [23:49] <Ms2ger> Bah
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# [23:49] <Ms2ger> Who would voluntarily use std::*?
# [23:49] <ted2> if you're using any kind of libraries you're probably screwed
# [23:49] <ted2> uh, lots of people
# [23:50] <Ms2ger> Also, have you released nspr already?
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# [23:50] <ted2> the STL isn't perfect, but it works on all modern platforms
# [23:50] <Ms2ger> (Speaking of pain)
# [23:50] <ted2> hah
# [23:50] <ted2> no, good point
# [23:50] <jhammel> Ms2ger: you haven't hung out much on ##C++ on freenode, have you? ;)
# [23:50] <ted2> i would email wtc but i think our mail server is still down
# [23:50] <@dbaron> outgoing email works
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# [23:50] <Ms2ger> You work for a tech company?
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# [23:52] <ted2> heh
# [23:52] <ted2> inorite
# [23:52] <ted2> i guess it's a bad day
# [23:52] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [23:53] <Ms2ger> It's a Monday
# [23:53] <ted2> sounds like somebody has a case of the mondays
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# [23:54] <blizzard> oh god so much mondays over here
# [23:54] <ted2> extreme monday
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# [23:56] <hub> monday? did you file your TPS reports?
# [23:56] <hub> with the new cover sheets?
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# [23:57] <catlee> mondageddon
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# [23:57] <catlee> ted2: can you look at my patch
# [23:57] <catlee> ?
# [23:57] <catlee> rather, can you r+ my patch please?
# [23:57] <catlee> :)
# [23:57] <ted2> um
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# [23:57] <ted2> yeah, i am just getting through my bugmail
# [23:58] <ted2> then i'll look at my reviews, if bugzilla works
# [23:58] <catlee> here
# [23:58] <catlee> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=578683&action=edit
# [23:58] <catlee> easy!
# [23:58] <ted2> http://status.mozilla.com/11627/165506/bugzilla.mozilla.org
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# [23:58] <ted2> sez you
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# [23:59] <Asa> dbaron: do I file bugs on pages where the new mobile font scaling is wrong or is there some other mechanism?
# [23:59] <@dbaron> Asa, bugs
# [23:59] <@dbaron> Asa, cc: m
# [23:59] <@dbaron> e
# [23:59] <Asa> dbaron: on product fennec or in core layout?
# [23:59] <@dbaron> Asa, layout
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