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# [00:00] <Asa> ok. will do.
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# [00:00] <Asa> when bugzilla wakes up
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# [00:03] <ehsan> is anybody else seeing the NSS shutdown thread locking up 100% of the cpu on the NSS thread?
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# [00:05] <josh> bsmith: ^
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# [00:06] <ehsan> bsmith: I've seen it twice today so far...
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# [00:06] <mounir> NeilAway: ping
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# [00:06] <ehsan> bsmith: seems to be coming from the nsNSSSocketInfo class, but I can't get more info as our opt builds lack frame pointers :(
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# [00:08] <bsmith> I will look at it
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# [00:08] <bsmith> which platform?
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# [00:09] <njn> is bugzilla horribly slow and flaky for anyone else?
# [00:09] <jhammel> yes, for everyone else
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# [00:09] <lurking_work> yep, and yep
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# [00:09] <jhammel> njn: half of moznet is hosed atm
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# [00:10] <njn> ok, thanks
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# [00:10] <ted2> coop: ping
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# [00:11] <coop|mtg> ted2: pong
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# [00:11] <ted2> coop|mtg: hey
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# [00:11] <ted2> sorry, i saw your email and had a crap week
# [00:11] <coop|mtg> yeah, heard about some of it :(
# [00:11] <WeirdAl> jhammel: we oughta quote you in the topic
# [00:11] <jhammel> heh
# [00:11] <ted2> coop|mtg: ping me when you guys are finished? i'm on MV time, so whenever is fine
# [00:12] <coop|mtg> ted2: ok, cool. thanks
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# [00:12] <ted2> np, sorry for leaving you hanging
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# [00:22] <rillian> etherpad seems to be down
# [00:22] <Mossop> everything is down
# [00:22] <jhammel> * seems to be down
# [00:23] <Mossop> the world is ending
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# [00:23] <jhammel> i can't even ping 127.0.0.1 ;)
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# [00:23] <Mossop> I don't know what I'm meant to be working on
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# [00:23] <hub> can I push to mozilla-inbound with a mozilla-central checkout?
# [00:24] <Mossop> If you merge it properly
# [00:24] <hub> oh
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# [00:24] <mbrubeck> hub: Yes; you are likely to end up with multiple heads so you will probably need to use "hg push -r <rev>"
# [00:24] <Mossop> It probably isn't a good idea unless you're actually doing the inbound-central mergew
# [00:24] <mbrubeck> and be careful about what you are pushing (use "hg out -r <rev>" first)
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# [00:25] <mbrubeck> I do it all the time, but it's not really the way mercurial is intended to be used.
# [00:25] <hub> gah I get "remote: ssl required"
# [00:25] <Mossop> your push url isn't set right
# [00:25] <dholbert> hub, that means you're trying to push to the http URL, which doesn't accept pushes
# [00:25] <dholbert> hub, you need to set your default-push to use a ssh://hg.mozilla.org/[repository] URL (in your hgrc)
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# [00:26] <dholbert> hub, or alternately, manually specify the ssh:// URL on the command-line (some people prefer that, because it makes it harder to accidentally push / push to the wrong repo unintentionally)
# [00:26] <hub> what permissions do I need to push to mozilla-central?
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# [00:27] <Mossop> Level 3 commit privileges
# [00:27] <hub> oops
# [00:27] <sfink> that's probably ssh://[userid]@hg.mozilla.org/[repo] unless you set the user in your ~/.ssh/config
# [00:27] <hub> what can I do with Level 1?
# [00:27] <sfink> push to try
# [00:27] <dholbert> hub, you can push to try and push to user repos
# [00:27] <Mossop> Is inbound even protected?
# [00:27] <gavin> inbound is level_3
# [00:27] <hub> *sigh*
# [00:28] <dholbert> Mossop, the idea is that "anything which gets [semi]-automagically merged to m-c requires same privs as m-c"
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# [00:28] <Mossop> I know that is the idea ;)
# [00:28] <dholbert> k. :)
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# [00:29] <reuben> http://htmlpad.org/remo-slidedeck/ anyone else see a django 404 page with Debug = True?
# [00:29] <AutomatedTester> what pref controls the dialog "Would you like to share anonymous details your hardware details..."?
# [00:29] <hub> then I guess I have to create my own repository
# [00:29] <dholbert> hub, why?
# [00:29] <hub> and have somebody pull from it
# [00:29] <hub> dholbert: I'm only Level 1
# [00:29] <dholbert> hub, why do you need to create your own repository and have others pull from it?
# [00:29] <mbrubeck> hub: The usual method is to upload a patch to bugzilla and use the checkin-needed keyword.
# [00:29] <Mossop> AutomatedTester: toolkit.telemetry.prompted perhaps? Unclear what your asking exactly
# [00:30] <mbrubeck> hub: http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed
# [00:30] <dholbert> hub, yeah, people are generally very happy to check things in for you
# [00:30] <AutomatedTester> Mossop: will go have a look, its probably in that area :)
# [00:30] <dholbert> hub, mercurial makes it super-easy to push other people's patches
# [00:30] <rnewman> did I hear through the grapevine that a tree needs to be closed?
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# [00:31] <AutomatedTester> mossop: would 0 be turned off?
# [00:31] <hub> dholbert: git too ^-^
# [00:31] <dholbert> cool, yup
# [00:31] <Mossop> AutomatedTester: Not sure exactly, but I don't think so
# [00:31] <dholbert> hub, Basically -- the lack of level3 commit access shouldn't block your work at all. If it does, that means people aren't being nice enough about pushing your patches, and you need to complain
# [00:32] <hub> dholbert: I just got the patch reviewed, so it is not like I'm complaining
# [00:32] <AutomatedTester> actually Mossop if I set toolkit.telemetry.enabled to false would it turn it all off?
# [00:32] <hub> dholbert: I just didn't realize I didn't have hte right to commit
# [00:32] <dholbert> yup, gotcha
# [00:32] <Mossop> AutomatedTester: Maybe
# [00:32] <AutomatedTester> I am trying to prevent automated tests from sending irrelevant data
# [00:33] <Mossop> Telemetry is already disabled in the automated test suites I believe
# [00:33] <sfink> hub: lack of level 3 access is a blessing. You don't have to deal with lots of cruft in our process. A number of people have avoided getting it for as long as possible.
# [00:33] <sfink> lack of level 1 access, on the other hand, just sucks
# [00:33] <dholbert> ( http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/ has details on the different commit-access-levels fwiw)
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# [00:34] <AutomatedTester> Mossop: this is for Selenium
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# [00:34] <AutomatedTester> i'll go ask the ateam :)
# [00:34] <Mossop> AutomatedTester: I'd just copy the automation prefs: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/automation.py.in#369
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# [00:35] <AutomatedTester> ahh wicked, thanks Mossop
# [00:36] <jhammel> AutomatedTester: there is also the prefs in mozprofile https://github.com/mozilla/mozbase/blob/master/mozprofile/mozprofile/profile.py#L236
# [00:36] <jhammel> those should probably be unified at some point
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# [00:37] <AutomatedTester> i have selenium working all the way up to Nightly
# [00:37] <AutomatedTester> <3
# [00:38] <AutomatedTester> but noticed the telemetry stuff
# [00:38] <AutomatedTester> so will clean that up
# [00:38] <AutomatedTester> will be in the next release
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# [00:39] <jhammel> AutomatedTester: nice :)
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# [00:41] <AutomatedTester> jhammel: what would be awesome is if there was a JSON blob that Selenium/Mozmill/something else could share that would do prefs
# [00:42] <AutomatedTester> and then each project can override as needed
# [00:42] <jhammel> AutomatedTester: ++, that sounds like a great idea
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# [00:43] <jhammel> AutomatedTester: sweet, if you ticket, I'd love a CC
# [00:43] <jhammel> ahal probably would too
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# [00:43] <AutomatedTester> will do
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# [00:44] <jhammel> thanks :)
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# [00:47] <mccr8> Is anybody else getting weirdness with Nightly where when you go to enter something in the URL bar, the bar and the various options appears somewhere other than where it should?
# [00:47] <mccr8> I'm not able to reproduce it, but it is happening fairly often...
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# [00:52] <lurking_work> mccr8: I saw someone mention it on another channel -
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# [00:53] <mccr8> lurking_work: okay, thanks. I'd check bugzilla, but... ;)
# [00:53] <lurking_work> yeah, I'm trying to see if its in my scroll-back , or whether I saw it before I came to work
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# [00:55] <lurking_work> mccr8: no such luck :(
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# [00:56] <NeilAway> mounir: pong
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# [00:57] <mccr8> lurking_work: thanks for checking
# [00:57] <lurking_work> I've not seen it, but I was not online much today - was trying to out-smart pesky squirrels from my bird-feeders
# [00:57] <lurking_work> and I might note, losing
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# [01:04] <hub> bz is down too?
# [01:04] <hub> *sigh*
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# [01:07] <@dbaron> Bugzilla may be down, but I don't think that affects bz :-)
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# [01:08] <@dbaron> well, ok, it affects him
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# [01:14] <mccr8> we should serialize bugzilla messages we'd make to IRC.
# [01:16] <Mossop> Start a new channel per bug?
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# [01:16] <mccr8> good idea
# [01:16] <jdgilbert> file a bug :>
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# [01:21] <lurking_work> what ? A new channel per bug ? Yikes
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# [01:24] <Mook_as> which bugzilla? you probably want #bmo_725234 instead...
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# [01:25] <darktrojan> someone will have to figure out a way to remember what bug we're up to
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# [01:26] <@bz> is bugzilla just completely down?
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# [01:26] <lurking_work> yes
# [01:26] <philor> except when it's barely up
# [01:27] <lurking_work> lol
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# [01:27] <@bz> well
# [01:27] <@bz> right now I get a "cannot resolve hostname" for it....
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# [01:28] <mccr8> darktrojan: we can just use UUIDs from firebot instead of bug numbers.
# [01:28] <darktrojan> not bad
# [01:28] <Unfocused> mcpherrin: sounds like a corrupt db, though there was a fix recently that should have prevented asking about every addon - file a bug? and you don't need to restart for each one...we don't message that well, i think :\ not sure if theres a bug or not
# [01:29] <darktrojan> morning, Unfocused
# [01:29] <Unfocused> morning :)
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# [01:30] <lurking_work> you should have slept in - almost everything is broke
# [01:30] <darktrojan> good to know someone has a more messed up internal clock than me
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# [01:31] <Unfocused> heh, i did - it's almost 1.30pm here. i was up much earlier to see the carnage, and decided sleep would be more productive
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# [01:31] <Unfocused> yep, that's me!
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# [01:43] <mcpherrin> Unfocused: What component should I file against
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# [01:44] <Unfocused> mcpherrin: Toolkit :: Add-ons Manager
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# [01:51] <AutomatedTester> Mossop: the pref I wanted wasnt in your link or jhammel|afk's link
# [01:51] <AutomatedTester> want me to submit a patch?
# [01:51] <Mossop> What was it?
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# [01:52] <AutomatedTester> toolkit.telemetry.rejected
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# [01:52] <AutomatedTester> needs to be set to true
# [01:52] <AutomatedTester> I am happy to raise a bug and submit a patch
# [01:52] <AutomatedTester> if you think it may be valuable
# [01:53] <Mossop> Code search tells me that that pref is never read by Firefox
# [01:53] <AutomatedTester> interesting...
# [01:53] <Mossop> It is set when the user refuses the telemetry prompt, but never read
# [01:53] <Mossop> The pref I linked to I think just never shows the telemetry prompt at all
# [01:54] <AutomatedTester> hmm, I had that one already
# [01:54] <AutomatedTester> let me look through it again...
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# [01:55] <Mossop> Though you have to set that pref to a different value depending on the Firefox version :(
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# [01:56] <AutomatedTester> the one you sent me?
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# [01:56] <Mossop> toolkit.telemetry.prompted
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# [01:56] <AutomatedTester> hmm
# [01:57] <AutomatedTester> great that we support from Fx3+
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# [02:03] <ehsan> MOZ_ASSERT(OnLionOrLater() || gCriticalAddress.mAddr != NULL);
# [02:03] <ehsan> whose fault is this?!
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# [02:52] <Asa> bugzilla's up
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# [02:52] <KWierso> aw, now I have to do work stuff...
# [02:52] <edmorley> njn: tbpl is back up, the xpconnect memory reporter push looks a little poorly
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# [02:56] <philor> edmorley: the nsHostResolver leaks, or something else?
# [02:56] <Asa> amo is back up
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# [02:56] <edmorley> philor: yeah
# [02:57] <philor> yeah, we do that when phx is having trouble, we must leak not being able to connect to AMO or something like that
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# [02:58] <philor> I retriggered them on the tip, I'm sure some some um somebody will file it one day then um then uh
# [02:58] <philor> sorry, couldn't keep a straight face
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# [03:16] <njn> edmorley: looking
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# [03:19] <edmorley> njn: sorry believe false alarm -> philor: yeah, we do that when phx is having trouble, we must leak not being able to connect to AMO or something like that
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# [03:20] <njn> edmorley: I didn't get those leaks on the try server yesterday
# [03:20] <nthomas> please file/look for a bug now that bugzilla is back
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# [03:26] <roc> ehsan: glandium
# [03:26] <ehsan> roc: ?
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# [03:26] <roc> that assertion is glandium's fault
# [03:27] <ehsan> roc: oh, no, it's actually espindola's fault
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# [03:27] <ehsan> I sent him an email with a patch :)
# [03:27] <roc> oh
# [03:27] <roc> you're right, I got them mixed up
# [03:27] <ehsan> heh :)
# [03:27] * @bz is coming to really hate this accessibility test
# [03:29] <@bz> jar:jar:http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/addons/1171/dictionary_tooltip-1.7-fx.xpi!/chrome/dictionarytip.jar!/
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# [03:30] <biesi> it's a jar jar!
# [03:30] <darktrojan> it's a trap
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# [03:31] <jcranmer|away> do nested jars even work properly?
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# [03:31] <gavin> yes
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# [03:32] <mwu> jcranmer|away: it can even done efficiently
# [03:32] <mwu> if your inner jar isn't compressed
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# [03:35] <@bz> jcranmer|away: try the link; they work fine
# [03:35] <@bz> anyway
# [03:35] <@bz> that addon is buggy
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# [03:36] <@bz> jcranmer|away
# [03:36] <@bz> er...
# [03:36] <@bz> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dictionary-tooltip/
# [03:36] <@bz> How do I contact the author?
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# [03:37] <reuben> bz, contact@suchisoft.com ?
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# [03:40] <@bz> reuben: thanks
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# [03:43] <gavin> bz: what do you think of my plan in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700080#c44 ?
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# [03:46] <njn> bz: bug 707524 is a zombie compartment in that same dictionary add-on...
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# [03:47] <@bz> njn: yes, I know
# [03:47] <njn> bz: ok
# [03:47] <@bz> njn: that's what I was investigating. ;)
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# [03:47] <@bz> njn: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707524#c4
# [03:47] <njn> bz: I mailed them the other day
# [03:47] <@bz> njn: ah, ok
# [03:47] <@bz> njn: they're just sticking refs to the content document on a property of the chrome global
# [03:47] <@bz> njn: and never clearing them
# [03:47] <@bz> njn: bingo-presto: zombie compartment
# [03:47] <njn> bz: hmm, I wrote a comment that I emailed them but it seems it got eaten, or maybe I imagined writing it
# [03:48] <@bz> njn: ah
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# [03:48] <gavin> hrm, IE9 doesn't support loading data: URIs in the url bar?
# [03:49] <@bz> gavin: correct
# [03:49] <njn> bz: see the very last sentence of https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Zombie_compartments
# [03:49] <@bz> njn: looking
# [03:50] <njn> bz: if you could make that a little clearer, or point to this bug as an example, that would be great
# [03:50] <njn> bz: or tell me what to write
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# [03:50] * @bz is waiting for his browser to actually load it
# [03:50] <espindola> ehsan, which assertion?
# [03:51] <@bz> it's sorta being hosed by crash-stats. :(
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# [03:51] <njn> bz: the sentence says "If an add-on is causing zombie compartments, it's not easy to identify why. However, one common problem is when an add-on contains JavaScript code that holds references to window objects."
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# [03:51] <@bz> yeah
# [03:51] <@bz> gimme a few mins
# [03:51] <espindola> ehsan, you and your working email :-(
# [03:51] <njn> bz: ok, thanks
# [03:52] <@bz> and now my browser is not responding at all
# [03:52] <@bz> <sigh>
# [03:52] <njn> bz: maybe the "common causes" should be a separate section
# [03:52] * @bz kicks lack of e10s
# [03:52] <ehsan> espindola: sent you an email
# [03:52] <ehsan> espindola: used your gmail account :P
# [03:52] <espindola> ah :-)
# [03:52] <espindola> let me check that
# [03:52] <njn> bz: you must have another build with another profile hanging around :)
# [03:53] <@bz> well
# [03:53] <@bz> I do
# [03:53] <@bz> many
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# [03:53] <@bz> if nothing else, I have fx2, 3, 3.5, 3.6, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 releases
# [03:53] <@bz> each with a separate profile
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# [03:53] <@bz> (well, and aurora and beta)
# [03:53] <@bz> aha!
# [03:53] <espindola> ehsan, interesting. I wonder why it is deciding your platform is "unsupported"
# [03:54] <@bz> it's back
# [03:54] <ehsan> dunno
# [03:54] <espindola> grep for UNWIND in your mozilla-include.h
# [03:55] <espindola> in any case, I will fix the unsupported side
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# [03:56] <espindola> thanks for finding what the problem was
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# [03:57] <ehsan> espindola: grep doesn't find anything, assuming you meant mozilla-config.h
# [03:57] <espindola> correct
# [03:57] <espindola> interesting
# [03:58] <ehsan> indeed
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# [03:58] <espindola> I guess 10.6 has no unwind.h and just uses gcc's...
# [03:58] <espindola> and I have no idea why I was unable to reproduce the problem when I booted in 10.6
# [03:59] <espindola> I will try to add a unwind.h to clang
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# [04:00] <ehsan> cool
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# [04:04] <philor> I should really stop doing "CLOSED for tbpl bustage" - it's way too tempting to reopen with "OPEN for tbpl bustage"
# [04:05] * philor changes topic to 'mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [04:05] <njn> anyone got Mac 10.7 builds working? do you need a non-vanilla mozconfig? I get problems because it tries to use "gcc-4.2" as the compiler instead of "gcc"
# [04:05] <njn> my mozconfig has nothing Mac-specific in it
# [04:06] <njn> and that used to work on 10.6
# [04:06] <eflores> njn: Yeah, I had to change CC and CXX env vars
# [04:06] <njn> eflores: just those two?
# [04:06] <jbuck> yeah, same here
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# [04:06] <jbuck> my .mozconfig: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1393488
# [04:07] <eflores> CC=/Developer/usr/bin/gcc
# [04:07] <eflores> CXX=/Developer/usr/bin/g+
# [04:07] <eflores> *g++
# [04:07] <jbuck> give clang a shot
# [04:07] <heycam> I couldn't work it out, so I migrated to clang
# [04:07] <njn> jbuck:, eflores: thanks
# [04:07] <jbuck> it's faaast.
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# [04:07] <njn> jbuck: I'll try it
# [04:07] <heycam> an awful lot of warnings in the clang build tho
# [04:07] <heycam> that'll make njn happy :)
# [04:08] <jbuck> and in Xcode 4.2, gcc/g++ are just wrappers around clang/clang++ anyways
# [04:08] <catlee> philor: was the tbpl bustage the network issues in phx, or something else?
# [04:08] <njn> jbuck: i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2?
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# [04:09] <philor> catlee: yeah, just phx, I got a couple of partial loads showing it not importing data, and then self-serve told me about all the mochitest bustage without telling me it was just the usual leaking, so I got nervous
# [04:09] <jbuck> njn yeah, I see that in the --version... I swore I heard it somewhere
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# [04:09] <@bz> njn: I added a bit more verbiage.....
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# [04:10] <jbuck> also njn, 10 minute clobber builds :)
# [04:10] <njn> bz: k, thx, I'll split that paragraph out into a separate section
# [04:10] <philor> we probably lost a little data by having it fall out of builds-4hr, but I doubt we'll miss it, other than maybe somebody's try pushes
# [04:10] <catlee> philor: ok, good to know, thanks
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# [04:18] <reuben> njn, CC='clang -Qunused-arguments -fcolor-diagnostics' CXX='clang++ -Qunused-arguments -fcolor-diagnostics' if you have ccache installed
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# [04:19] <philor> these WinXP disconnects in xpcshell must just be disconnects, nothing to worry about, can't be related to 704010 in any way
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# [04:22] <njn> bz: I tweaked your text a little and put it in a separate section
# [04:22] <njn> reuben: what do they do?
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# [04:23] <espindola> is tbpl ok?
# [04:23] <espindola> I cannot open https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7757154&tree=Try&full=1 for example
# [04:24] <philor> what time of day was it from?
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# [04:24] <philor> though that shouldn't really affect logs, should it?
# [04:24] <espindola> philor, 5h ago maybe?
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# [04:26] <philor> actually, it's acting more like it's just choking on a huge log
# [04:26] <espindola> :-(
# [04:26] <philor> might be easier to load it directly from ftp.m.o and parse it yourself, cut tbpl out of the loop
# [04:27] <espindola> trying...
# [04:27] <njn> espindola: I landed bug 702815 today :)
# [04:27] <philor> especially the ones where something went wild, and the log gets cut off at 50MB, tbpl has trouble swallowing
# [04:28] <espindola> njn, awesome
# [04:28] <espindola> thank you *so* much for offloading that part of the problem
# [04:28] <njn> espindola: np. Turned out to be way harder than expected :)
# [04:28] <njn> espindola: hopefully what I've done will work for you
# [04:29] <espindola> It looks like it will, but I haven't rebased yet
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# [04:30] <reuben> njn, ccache makes clang think it's not printing to the console, so it turns off colorized diagnostic messages, and it also has a bug that sends unecessary parameters to clang, so to avoid having billions of "unused parameter -Iinclude_dir", etc, you have to pass -Qunused-arguments
# [04:30] <espindola> philor, that worked, thanks
# [04:31] <philor> np
# [04:31] <philor> "how to work around the broken bits" a specialty of the house
# [04:31] <espindola> heh
# [04:32] <blizzard> haha
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# [04:45] <reuben> is RESOLVED FIXED the correct status for really old bugs that have been fixed for a long time ago?
# [04:45] <reuben> i.e. bugs that haven't been noticed when fixing something
# [04:45] <jhammel> IMHO yes, with a commit reference ideally
# [04:47] <reuben> hm, I'll probably have a hard time finding what fixed bug 66177
# [04:48] <humph> sicking: ping
# [04:48] <reuben> but it's been fixed for as long as I've been using Firefox
# [04:48] <humph> sicking: one of my students did a fix for 334573 and I'm wondering if you'll have time to do it this week, or if there is someone else who can review?
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# [04:49] <mccr8> reuben: I think if something works just fine, but you aren't sure which bug fixed it, you can just use RESOLVED WORSFORME.
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# [04:50] <philor> not only can, but want to, because the Bugzilla Lawyers will come howling down upon with furious vengeance if you don't
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# [04:52] <reuben> that should be enough to convince me
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# [05:16] <sicking> humph: pong
# [05:16] <sicking> humph: looking
# [05:16] <humph> thanks
# [05:16] <humph> gonna use that as part of mouse lock, and classes end this week
# [05:16] <humph> sicking: btw, mouselock is done
# [05:16] <sicking> humph: yes, i'll definitely do it this week
# [05:16] <humph> thanks a lot
# [05:16] <sicking> humph: awesome!
# [05:16] <humph> sicking: who to review? smaug?
# [05:17] <sicking> humph: yeah, he's a much better reviewer for that than me
# [05:17] <humph> k, thanks
# [05:17] <humph> I'll have a patch up in the next few days for him
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# [05:27] <sicking> humph: very cool
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# [05:44] <@bz> ok
# [05:44] * @bz looks to see if inbound is _finally_ open
# [05:46] <philor> indeed
# [05:46] <@bz> when I plan to be awake!
# [05:46] <@bz> last time I just pushed and went to bed
# [05:46] <@bz> because it was effing open for once!
# [05:46] <philor> I've started doing that intentionally
# [05:46] <@bz> it's a good plan
# [05:46] <philor> because that's what it's there for
# [05:46] <@bz> I figure edmorley has my back
# [05:46] <philor> UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER TREES
# [05:46] <@bz> mmm
# [05:47] <philor> oops, cat must have stepped on my capslock
# [05:47] <@bz> been that good a week so far, eh?
# [05:47] <philor> s/week/entire time period since inbound has existed/
# [05:47] <@bz> heh
# [05:47] <@bz> frustration is not cumulative across weekends for e
# [05:48] <@bz> er me
# [05:48] <@bz> otherwise I'd go insane
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# [05:48] <philor> yeah
# [05:48] <jwir3|away> hm... is mail.m.com down?
# [05:48] <philor> weekends are when I'm really here, unlike the bits and parts of weekday/nights
# [05:48] <philor> jwir3|away: the topic of #it says "yes"
# [05:49] <jwir3|away> philor: ah.. ok, thanks
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# [06:14] <romaxa> mfinkle: so have oyu had time to try that build?
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# [06:22] <njn> bz: I'm trying to understand the relationship between nsTHashtable and nsBaseHashtable/nsClassHashtable
# [06:22] <njn> because I need to implement nsBaseHashtable::SizeOfExcludingThis()
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# [06:23] <njn> for some nsBaseHashtable operations it just calls the corresponding nsTHashtable operation
# [06:23] <njn> but not all of them
# [06:23] <njn> e.g. nsBaseHashtable::Enumerate()
# [06:23] <njn> the code for which is almost identical to nsTHashtable::EnumerateEntries()
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# [06:31] <@bz> njn: hey
# [06:31] <@bz> njn: reading
# [06:31] <@bz> njn: ok
# [06:31] <@bz> njn: so nsTHashtable is a lot like pldhash
# [06:31] <njn> bz: yep
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# [06:31] <@bz> njn: or jsdhash
# [06:31] <@bz> njn: it's basically a thin wrapper
# [06:31] <njn> yep
# [06:31] <@bz> njn: it exposes a similar api where the basic thing you work with is an entry
# [06:32] <@bz> njn: nsBaseHashtable is a subclass that adds another API: one that looks like a key-value mapping
# [06:33] <@bz> njn: so EnumerateEntries calls the callback function passing it one entry at a time
# [06:33] <njn> and Enumerate passes the key and the data separately
# [06:33] <@bz> njn: while Enumerate calls the callback function passing it a key and value
# [06:33] <@bz> yep
# [06:34] <njn> ok, so I guess I want a SizeOfExcludingThis which takes a function that takes both key and value
# [06:34] <njn> ok, I see now
# [06:34] <njn> thanks!
# [06:34] <@bz> no problem
# [06:34] <@bz> And yes, for nsBaseHashtable that's what you want
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# [06:34] <@bz> for nsTHashtable, you just want a function that takes the entry
# [06:35] <njn> bz: I already have that for nsTHashtable
# [06:35] <@bz> ok
# [06:35] <@bz> sounds good
# [06:35] <njn> so this should be eaSY
# [06:35] <njn> easy
# [06:35] <njn> thx
# [06:35] <@bz> no problem
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# [06:59] <KWierso> nsI666
# [07:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/5a3c09ad5f4a - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 531590 - Increase the default validity of the self-signed certificate that we use for our tests to 10 years by default. a=thewind
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# [07:23] <philor> oh noes, I fear that a set of media tests might have become permaorange on Linux32, whatever shall I do?
# [07:23] <philor> oh, yeah, just star 'em
# [07:24] * @bz curses dom/battery
# [07:24] <@bz> they's messin' with me muscle memories
# [07:24] <gavin> heh
# [07:25] <gavin> dom/yrettab
# [07:25] <@bz> hmm
# [07:25] <@bz> the programming model for cancelRequestAnimationFrame is ... odd
# [07:25] <philor> could just move all of dom/base into dom/battery
# [07:25] <@bz> simple, but odd
# [07:28] <bent> huh, anyone know what magic i need to load mochitests in a browser that i don't start from runtests.py?
# [07:29] <bent> localhost:8888, localhost:4443 don't work
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# [07:30] <bent> aha! 127.0.0.1:8888 works
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# [07:52] <@bz> man
# [07:52] <@bz> nsChildView.mm compilation is a slew of "is deprecated" warnings.....
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# [07:54] <philor> we should list that as our reason for dropping 10.5 support
# [07:54] <@bz> heh
# [07:54] <@bz> "they deprecated us first"
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# [08:00] <darktrojan> how can I create an image or a canvas from JS without a document?
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# [08:01] <darktrojan> can I get a nsIDOMHTMLImageElement somehow?
# [08:02] <mounir> khuey|pto: until when?
# [08:03] <Mossop> darktrojan: "new Image()" ?
# [08:04] <darktrojan> I think I've tried that
# [08:04] * darktrojan tries again
# [08:04] <darktrojan> ah, I don't have a window either
# [08:05] * darktrojan is in bootstrap.js land
# [08:05] <Mook> if you want to be evil: create it in the hidden window (createElementNS, probably) and hope it doesn't break?
# [08:05] <darktrojan> heh
# [08:06] <Mook> (if you don't want to be evil: complain about it not working until somebody makes it work)
# [08:06] <darktrojan> not being evil is google's thing
# [08:06] <darktrojan> (apparently)
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# [08:08] <darktrojan> ah I'll just continue doing it the way I have been and ignore how bad it looks
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# [08:14] <darktrojan> hmm
# [08:15] <darktrojan> the scale for "daily users" on my AMO stats page goes from -2000 to 8000
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# [08:15] <darktrojan> maybe they know I'm preparing a subtract-off
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# [08:18] <KWierso> darktrojan: is this with jetpack or just a bootstrapped addon?
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# [08:19] <darktrojan> just bootstrap
# [08:19] <darktrojan> actually
# [08:19] <darktrojan> it's not a bootstrap addon, it's an ordinary one
# [08:20] <darktrojan> I'm in jsm land
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# [08:22] <KWierso> then yeah, probably creating some hidden window would be easiest
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# [08:23] <KWierso> jetpack has a page-worker module which would let you load a semi-blank hidden html file that you can do JS-y things to
# [08:23] <darktrojan> sounds like cheating
# [08:23] <darktrojan> :)
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# [09:17] <ttaubert> hey, can someone with access to security bugs please mark bug 633691 as merged for me?
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# [09:17] <ttaubert> merged/fixed
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# [09:23] <jlebar> ttaubert: I cc'ed you on the bug so you can do whatever you need to.
# [09:24] <ttaubert> jlebar: cool that works, too :) thanks!
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# [09:49] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:56] <jandem> is zimbra down for everybody else? is there some status page?
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# [09:58] <mwu> jandem: http://status.mozilla.com/ though that doesn't cover zimbra
# [09:58] <mwu> (but it is also down for me)
# [09:58] <jandem> ah nice
# [09:59] <jandem> i haven't received bug mail since yesterday, time to do a manual query
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# [10:00] <glob|away> yeah, raid failure in zimbra land
# [10:01] <mwu> also, looks like MV is down?
# [10:03] <dumitru> mwu: correct
# [10:03] <dumitru> mwu: we're investigating
# [10:03] <mwu> :(
# [10:03] <mwu> ok
# [10:05] <mwu> dumitru: any bug #, just out of curiousity? (since I won't get email updates anyway if I CC myself..)
# [10:05] <dumitru> mwu: none yet, since it only went down 5 minutes ago
# [10:05] <dumitru> and we don't know the cause
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# [10:05] <mwu> ok
# [10:06] <dumitru> maybe ashish can file one if he's not too busy?
# [10:06] <dumitru> ashish: or need me to?
# [10:06] <ashish> dumitru: about to hit submit
# [10:06] <dumitru> ashish: fantastic
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# [10:13] <darktrojan> more trouble at the mill?
# [10:15] <glob> oh no, what kind of trouble?
# [10:15] <glob> (mv connectivity issues i guess)
# [10:16] <glob> bug 707897 ?
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# [10:24] <auscompgeek> hm? mv this time?
# [10:25] <auscompgeek> when will the troubles end
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# [10:26] <bear-afk> mtv1 network suffered an outage
# [10:26] <bear-afk> oh, I see the IT guys are already in here :)
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# [10:27] <dumitru> bear-afk: we're everywhere you need us
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# [10:27] <bear-afk> :)
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# [10:27] <bear-afk> I need to file a bug for our side - let me do that now
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# [10:32] <jlebar> darktrojan/glob, you guys made my day.
# [10:32] <darktrojan> hmm?
# [10:33] <jlebar> trouble at the mill.
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# [10:36] <NeilAway> glob: is it me or isn't bug 675914 working?
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# [10:36] <glob> NeilAway, define "isn't working" (looks fine to me)
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# [10:53] <wolfiR> sorry, a bit off-topic but how do I get to planet.mozilla.org nowadays?
# [10:53] <glob> uh, http://planet.mozilla.org/ ?
# [10:53] <darktrojan> first, fix the network issues in mountain view
# [10:54] <glob> planet wfm
# [10:54] <wolfiR> hmm, https://planet.mozilla.org as well?
# [10:54] <dumitru> no more https
# [10:54] <glob> https won't work
# [10:54] <glob> bug 706346
# [10:54] <dumitru> darktrojan: and MV issues have been fixed at least 15 minutes ago, is there anything that is down to you?
# [10:54] <glazou> amazing the number of bugs showing up when we attach xbl to html...
# [10:55] <darktrojan> dumitru, nope, I was joking
# [10:55] <wolfiR> ah, I see, https everywhere broke it for me then
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# [11:04] <auscompgeek> wolfiR: then disable the rule for Planet Mozilla
# [11:04] <wolfiR> auscompgeek: already did, thanks
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# [11:15] <NeilAway> glob: sorry, wrong bug#
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# [11:15] <NeilAway> glob: I typoed bug 675941
# [11:21] <NeilAway> glob: see bug 678694 for some examples of why I think it isn't working (comment 27 for example)
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# [12:45] <khuey> mounir: I'm back today
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# [12:52] <khuey> is zimbra really *still* down?
# [12:53] <derf> So it appears.
# [12:53] <derf> At least bugzilla is up now.
# [12:54] <khuey> yeah
# [12:54] <khuey> I'll actually be able to work today!
# [12:54] <derf> You picked a good day for PTO yesterday, that's for sure.
# [12:56] <sewardj> what happened to zimbra? it's been out 12h plus
# [12:56] <khuey> indeed I did
# [12:58] <mcpherrin> sewardj: From what I overheard, massive RAID array failure.
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# [13:21] <ejpbruel> dumb question, but how can i pass arguments to the shell from jstests.py?
# [13:22] <glazou> khuey: we always need one of that kind :-)
# [13:23] <jandem> ejpbruel: --args="--bla"
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# [13:24] <ejpbruel> jandem: ty
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# [13:44] <mcpherrin> is a /win 22
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# [13:51] <gabor> khuey: do you know a way to wait for pending events in an xpcshell test before finishing it? there are two tests that is crashing when they call do_test_finished a bit too early
# [13:51] <khuey> gabor: call do_test_finished later?
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# [13:52] <khuey> what's happening? we're delivering IDB events after shutdown begins?
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# [13:52] <gabor> khuey: if I call it with some delay it works fine, but I'm a bit affraid that this can cause some random orange tests
# [13:53] <khuey> yeah ...
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# [13:53] <khuey> gabor: you know you can call do_test_pending multiple times right?
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# [13:54] <khuey> so you can call it as many times as you need and then call do_test_finished in every event handler
# [13:54] <khuey> to wait for all the events before finishing
# [13:54] <gabor> khuey: yes, during the nsThreadPool shutdown idb commithelper tries to fire a complete event and it's crashing in nsContentUtils since a static hashtable is gone at that time
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# [13:55] <khuey> mmm
# [13:55] <khuey> we should probably fix that anyways
# [13:55] <khuey> but in your test you can just wait for the complete event before calling do_test_finished the last time
# [13:58] <gabor> so the original test looks like this btw http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/test/test_readonly_transactions.html?force=1
# [13:58] <khuey> ok
# [13:59] <gabor> khuey: I'm trying to reuse the same js files for the mochi and the xpcshell test, so I wanted to avoid calling do_test_pending all the time
# [13:59] <khuey> right
# [13:59] <gabor> but if there is no other way then I can make an exception for these two files
# [13:59] <khuey> so can we just call do_test_pending once at the start?
# [13:59] <khuey> and call do_test_finished from finishTest()?
# [13:59] <khuey> or is that what crashes?
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# [14:00] <gabor> I do exactly that
# [14:00] <gabor> just somehow after the finishTest() call there is a complete event
# [14:00] <khuey> ok
# [14:00] <gabor> I don't even know where is that coming from actually...
# [14:00] <khuey> so the complete event is on the transaction at line 107
# [14:00] <khuey> if I'm reading this correctly
# [14:01] <khuey> so if you add a .oncomplete = grabAndContinueEventHandler to the transaction
# [14:01] <lurking> here we go again - tbpl timeing out, and status.mozilla.org does not looks too good :(
# [14:02] <khuey> and then yield for that event before finishTest()
# [14:02] <khuey> things should be good, I think
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# [14:02] <khuey> lurking: yeah, lots of stuff is still broken
# [14:02] <gabor> khuey: thanks I'll try that
# [14:03] <khuey> np
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# [14:09] <erione> msucan: i read your feedback and tried the addition of this._list.selectedIndex = -1 in clearItems()
# [14:09] <erione> and also the removal of the line this.updateCompleteNode("");
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# [14:09] <msucan> erione: hello
# [14:09] <erione> but this ain't fixing the STR
# [14:09] <erione> hi
# [14:10] <msucan> erione: true. i noticed that myself as well. it fixes some other cases
# [14:10] <erione> so i did like this
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# [14:10] <msucan> erione: the problem seems to be in autocompletepopup (in clearItems) and something else in hudservice
# [14:10] <erione> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1393896
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# [14:11] <erione> and this fixes the current STR
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# [14:11] <msucan> great
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# [14:11] <msucan> erione: is this also with the change in clearItems?
# [14:11] <erione> no
# [14:11] <erione> no change in clearItems()
# [14:11] <msucan> i think i'd like us to keep that change
# [14:12] <msucan> because it's a bug ... in autocompletepopup
# [14:12] <erione> ok np
# [14:12] <erione> yes
# [14:12] <msucan> i tested how selectedItem works
# [14:12] <msucan> and that still returns an object after clearItems()
# [14:12] <msucan> which is only fixed by doing selectedIndex = -1
# [14:12] <erione> so i will add this this._list.selectedIndex = -1 in clearItems()
# [14:12] <mak> hm, tbpl going down again?
# [14:12] <msucan> erione: this.selectedIndex = -1
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# [14:13] <msucan> erione: please also try the previous STRs
# [14:13] <erione> ok
# [14:13] <mak> bah the network is busted
# [14:13] <erione> yes, i tried, i am uploading the patch
# [14:13] * NeilAway sighs
# [14:13] <msucan> erione: btw, thanks a lot for your patience with this not-so-easy bug
# [14:14] <msucan> it appeared innocent :)
# [14:14] <erione> anytime :)
# [14:15] <erione> and also i would like to work on some other bug more related to c++ (since i ain't familiar with js) if this patch fixes the current bug
# [14:15] <msucan> sure!
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# [14:15] <NeilAway> bugzilla down again? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bugzilla.mozilla.org seems to think so
# [14:16] <nigelb> NeilAway: Yeah, discussion in #it
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# [14:16] <mak> NeilAway: http://status.mozilla.com/
# [14:17] <NeilAway> mak: don't have script enabled here
# [14:17] <mak> oh well, btw various services are down
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# [14:18] <Pike> this is two weeks too early
# [14:19] <ejpbruel> bugzilla still down?
# [14:19] <mak> not still, again
# [14:19] <nigelb> Pike: heh, its testing :P
# [14:19] <ejpbruel> mak: fact is its down :)
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# [14:19] <Pike> nigelb: evil
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# [14:24] <ejpbruel> does IT have any clue yet as to what's making stuff so unstable lately?
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# [14:25] <mak> I don't understand why when mozilla's network starts going down, I can't access google anymore too :(
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# [14:28] <lurking> that sounds weird unless your on an in-house network or something
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# [14:28] <ejpbruel> lurking: or on a mozilla vpn
# [14:28] <ejpbruel> mail server seems to be down too :(
# [14:29] <edmorley> I've been having issues too, had to resort to Chrome
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# [14:29] <mak> nope, I'm on my connection, and I can't access a bunch of pages atm
# [14:29] * lurking heads out to dentist - YUK!!!
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# [14:32] <jhk_> get up bugzilla get up!
# [14:33] <ejpbruel> jhk_++
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# [14:35] <glob> well, i guess i have to play minecraft then
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# [14:41] <ejpbruel> meanwhile, at Mozilla: http://tinyurl.com/6fq3kkm
# [14:41] <nigelb> heh
# [14:41] <nigelb> I feel bad for IT though.
# [14:41] <nigelb> I'm pretty sure they've been working non-stop since yesterday.
# [14:42] <ejpbruel> ejpbruel: so do i. poor guys.
# [14:42] <ejpbruel> nigelb: ^
# [14:42] <nigelb> :)
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# [14:42] <erione> msucan: setting the selectedIndex = -1 leads to a regression, i'll have to refix and then will tell you,so will take some time to upload the patch
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# [14:43] <KaiRo> bah, how should one do significant work when mail and bugzilla go down? :(
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# [14:43] <msucan> erione: no problem. this means hudservice relied on that part of code being broken ...
# [14:43] * NeilAway is not surprised
# [14:43] <erione> yes
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# [14:46] <erione> msucan: it also clears the completion when there is a single item in the autocompletepopup, where expected result is to show the only left item in the list in GREY
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# [14:47] <msucan> erione: that's most-likely not caused by the clearItems() fix. i expect it's a side-effect of stuff happening in hudservice
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# [14:49] <espindola> another day without bugzilla?
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# [14:50] <Mano> can ctype get |enum| values?
# [14:52] <KaiRo> espindola: looks like it
# [14:53] <espindola> :-(
# [14:54] <KaiRo> we should go xkcd-style and do laser sword fights in our work time - just that the addition to "we're not slacking off" isn't "our code is compiling" but "bugzilla is down" ;-)
# [14:54] <nigelb> KaiRo: http://nigelb.me/images/bugzilla.png
# [14:54] <ejpbruel> nigelb++
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# [14:55] <NeilAway> can we make that the 501 page for bugzilla?
# [14:55] <KaiRo> http://fredericiana.com/2011/01/11/i-am-a-web-developer-i-dont-usually-compile-code/
# [14:56] <Pike> also, one of the days where nntp is clearly superiour ;-)
# [14:56] <KaiRo> nigelb: Fred did put that up before you, I was searching for it all the time, but finally found it
# [14:56] <nigelb> karhe showed it to me the day I put this one up
# [14:56] <nigelb> bah
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# [14:56] <nigelb> KaiRo: ^
# [14:57] <nigelb> His version is nicer :D
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# [14:59] <edmorley> we should at least make it the bugzilla maintenance page image :-)
# [14:59] <KaiRo> edmorley: that would be a good idea, file a bug, er, damn...
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# [15:06] <mak> edmorley: you said you had to use Chrome? which kind of issues were you having? since looks like at a certain point here Firefox just decides to stop loading pages... if I close and reopen it everything works fine again...
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# [15:12] <edmorley> mak: I was getting timeouts on *.mozilla.org pages, then the same started happening to non-mozilla. firefox was maxing out one core, and a restart of the browser didn't seem to help, hence resorting to Chrome for that half hour. It's working now, maybe because more of the mozilla network seems back up again (albeit not all)? strange...
# [15:12] <edmorley> s/non-mozilla/non-mozilla domains/
# [15:13] <mak> edmorley: ah, so it's similar, here it starts with those timeouts, then any page stops responding. but restarting browser fixed it for me
# [15:13] <mak> may be some sort of network code regression
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# [15:14] <mak> it looks scary
# [15:14] <edmorley> though after the browser restart I refreshed the mozilla domain pages too, might have been fine otherwise
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# [15:16] <ttaubert> oh mhh
# [15:16] <ttaubert> I should try that, too
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# [15:16] <mak> strange, I doubt I hit the max connections limit...
# [15:17] <mak> but I'm sure this is the second time it happens
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# [15:19] <ttaubert> so bugzilla isn't down?
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# [15:19] <mak> it is down
# [15:19] <glob> bmo is down
# [15:19] <bbondy> i can't access it
# [15:19] <bbondy> up and down for the last 24 hours
# [15:20] <mak> the issue we were discussing is that after loading a bunch of down mozilla pages, other non-mozilla pages don't load anymore
# [15:20] <bbondy> oh
# [15:20] <ttaubert> oh ok
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# [15:23] <glazou> hi ttaubert
# [15:24] <glazou> I really wrote my shortcuts add-on w/o knowing about yours
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# [15:24] <ehsan> hmm, dns error trying to access bugzilla
# [15:24] <ehsan> this can't be good :/
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# [15:24] <ttaubert> hey glazou :)
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# [15:25] <ttaubert> heh, maybe we should combine our ideas, I hope you have a better approach
# [15:25] <ttaubert> the shortcut situation isn't very ideal
# [15:25] <glazou> ttaubert: I really like the search field in your add-on ; can I copy that idea?
# [15:25] <ttaubert> of course :)
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# [15:25] <glazou> ttaubert: yeah, and key/command elements don't make it easy
# [15:26] <glazou> in particular on mac
# [15:26] <glazou> where the menubar is a weird thing
# [15:26] <ttaubert> no, not really - and there are lots of shortcuts that are just implemented as keypress listeners :(
# [15:26] <glazou> yep
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# [15:27] <glazou> I have also strange behaviours when I try to override the cmd-T shortcut (that creates a new tab)
# [15:28] <glazou> wondering if cmd-T and cmd-shift-T are not the same callback with a shift key detection !
# [15:28] <glazou> did not have time to check
# [15:29] <KaiRo> ehsan: http://status.mozilla.com/ says that a number of sites are down
# [15:29] <MarcoZ> ehsan: Not just Bugzilla. Mail has been down all my day, NNTP is also busted.
# [15:30] <ehsan> KaiRo: lovely, firefox crashed when I opened that page :P
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# [15:30] <jlebar> ehsan: time to go back to sleep.
# [15:30] <ehsan> jlebar: too late, I'm at the office already :(
# [15:31] <jlebar> ehsan: have any webkit patches to write? :-p
# [15:31] <Pike> MarcoZ: news works for me
# [15:31] <ehsan> jlebar: always ;)
# [15:31] <Pike> ehsan: best you can do at that point is to fedex coffee to the IT guys
# [15:31] <ehsan> yeah, seriously
# [15:32] <ehsan> can't imagine how hard this might have been for them... :/
# [15:32] <ttaubert> glazou: yeah :/ I thought about refactoring my addon to be about:shortcuts and make it somehow better but there isn't really a good method until we have something like a shortcut manager in the core...
# [15:33] <Pike> sweet, seems the icing on my cake is loosing ldap access in the meantime due to password expiration policy
# [15:34] <ehsan> Pike: as if any of the services using ldap were working... ;)
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# [15:35] <ttaubert> true :)
# [15:35] <Pike> ehsan: I'm pretty sure they'll come back to life once my password expired
# [15:36] <Pike> not that there's a causal connection there
# [15:37] <ehsan> but still, one wonders...
# [15:37] <Pike> "works as designed" ?
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# [15:38] <khuey> so is bugzilla broken again?
# [15:39] <catlee> yeah
# [15:39] <ehsan> khuey: you bet
# [15:39] <khuey> does that mean I don't have to work today?
# [15:39] <ehsan> khuey: you bet
# [15:39] <glob> bugzilla is fine
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# [15:39] <glob> it's just the network between us and it that's broken :P
# [15:39] <khuey> heh
# [15:39] <khuey> maybe I'll pack today and work on saturday
# [15:39] <ehsan> glob: if the network is down, how would you know if bugzilla is fine? :P
# [15:39] <jlebar> khuey: dns.
# [15:40] <ehsan> which reminds me
# [15:40] <ehsan> does anyone remember bmo's ip address? ;)
# [15:40] <glob> ehsan, ok then... uh.. bugzilla is fine, it's just bugzilla.mozilla.org that we can't get to
# [15:40] <ehsan> it's true!
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# [15:41] <ttaubert> pinging the bmo ip doesn't work either
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# [15:42] <ttaubert> lol it *does* work
# [15:42] <ttaubert> time=27088ms
# [15:42] <khuey> ha
# [15:42] <khuey> are you on mars?
# [15:42] <khuey> or is that just how bad it is?
# [15:42] <ttaubert> both
# [15:42] <khuey> nice
# [15:42] * khuey wants to visit Mozilla Mars sometime
# [15:42] <ehsan> so, here's a python question for you guys
# [15:43] <ehsan> how do you quote quotes?
# [15:43] <khuey> 4 spaces good, two spaces bad
# [15:43] <catlee> ehsan: with \
# [15:43] <catlee> or use triple quotes
# [15:43] <catlee> or the other quote
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# [15:44] <catlee> there's no difference between " and '
# [15:44] <ehsan> ah
# [15:44] <ehsan> vim makes \" red, which scared me a bit
# [15:44] <catlee> so "there's" or 'there\'s' or """there's""" or '''there's'''
# [15:44] <ttaubert> "Service Unavailable" with bmo's ip in the hosts file :(
# [15:44] <ehsan> wow
# [15:44] <ehsan> '''there's'''??? seriously?!
# [15:44] <catlee> triple quotes let you have newlines
# [15:44] <ehsan> oh, I see
# [15:45] <catlee> basically anything until '''
# [15:45] <ehsan> yes, I'd noticed that pattern in fact
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# [15:45] <ehsan> I thought that they create comments though...
# [15:45] <bbondy> """s""" and '''s'''
# [15:45] * ehsan is staring at code like this:
# [15:45] <ehsan> def foo(bar)
# [15:45] <ehsan> """
# [15:45] <bbondy> hah
# [15:45] <catlee> if the first statement of a function/class is a string, it's used as the documentation
# [15:45] <ehsan> foobar
# [15:45] <ehsan> """
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# [15:45] * ehsan loves all the magic that is python
# [15:45] <catlee> called a docstring
# [15:46] <catlee> and you can build tools around the contents of docstrings
# [15:46] <catlee> they're not really comments
# [15:46] <ehsan> everytime I wanna use python, I learn something that makes me not want to use it...
# [15:46] <catlee> comments are #, and they're completely ignored
# [15:46] <glob> so, like javadoc?
# [15:46] <catlee> docstrings are great!
# [15:46] <bbondy> ehsan: you say the same about windows
# [15:46] <catlee> :)
# [15:47] <ehsan> bbondy: I've been recovering from being a windows developer for several years now
# [15:47] <ehsan> I was quite alright until recently :P
# [15:47] <Yoric> bbondy: no, windows is (*&%*&^$* and I want to completely ignore it :)
# [15:47] <bbondy> :)
# [15:48] <catlee> python is teh awesome
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# [15:48] <ehsan> ValueError: too many values to unpack
# [15:48] <catlee> http://www.linuxjournal.com/slideshow/readers-choice-2011?page=27
# [15:48] <catlee> see
# [15:48] <ehsan> catlee: what does that mean?!
# [15:48] <catlee> you're trying to do something like
# [15:48] <catlee> a,b = 1,2,3
# [15:49] <ehsan> I have this:
# [15:49] <catlee> i.e the right-hand side has too many values for the left-hand side
# [15:49] <ehsan> for x,y in list
# [15:49] <ehsan> hmm
# [15:49] <ehsan> it shouldn't...
# [15:49] <catlee> ok, so some element in list is more than a 2-tuple
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# [15:49] <jlebar> or you need for (x,y) in list
# [15:49] <jlebar> ehsan &
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# [15:49] <jlebar> ^
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# [15:50] <ehsan> jlebar: didn't help
# [15:50] <catlee> jlebar: that doesn't matter
# [15:50] <catlee> only if you have nested tuples
# [15:50] <jlebar> catlee: doesn't it depend on the version of python?
# [15:50] <ehsan> catlee: this is an associative array of environment variables
# [15:50] <catlee> ehsan: ah
# [15:50] <jlebar> catlee: I thought in py3k it mattered...
# [15:50] <ehsan> they're all name value pairs
# [15:50] <catlee> then you're iterating over the keys
# [15:50] <ehsan> hmm
# [15:50] <ehsan> how can I do what I mean?!
# [15:51] <jlebar> .values()
# [15:51] <jlebar> I think.
# [15:51] <catlee> .items()
# [15:51] <catlee> gives you (key,value)
# [15:51] <jlebar> catlee knows what he's talking about. :)
# [15:51] <bsmedberg> is bugzilla down or is it just me?
# [15:51] <catlee> bsmedberg: down for me too
# [15:51] <bbondy> yes it's down
# [15:51] <ehsan> catlee: thanks!
# [15:51] <jlebar> ehsan: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html#looping-techniques
# [15:51] <glob> bsmedberg, http://status.mozilla.com/
# [15:51] * bsmedberg changes topic to 'bugzilla is broken || mozilla-central: CLOSED || mozilla-inbound: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [15:52] <glob> bsmedberg, hrmph
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# [15:52] <jlebar> ehsan: and http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#dict.items I keep this page bookmarked...
# [15:52] <bsmedberg> hrmph?
# [15:52] <mak> it's not just bugzilla
# [15:52] <bsmedberg> people in this channel probably care most about bugzilla
# [15:52] <mak> tbpl, bugzilla, sync and a bunch of other services are down
# [15:52] <bbondy> has bugzilla.mozilla.org really been up 80.6% in the last 24h? seems like it was much less than that.
# [15:53] * khuey changes topic to 'everything is broken, see http://status.mozilla.com/ || mozilla-central: CLOSED || mozilla-inbound: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [15:53] <ehsan> jlebar: thanks! I had read that page in fact, but had forgotten everything about it
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# [15:53] <glob> lol
# [15:53] <Mano> is bugzilla down?
# [15:53] <bsmedberg> heh
# [15:53] <khuey> no
# [15:53] <ehsan> Mano: yes
# [15:53] <khuey> everything is down
# [15:53] <ehsan> not everything
# [15:53] <khuey> irc works :-P
# [15:53] <ehsan> irc works just fine
# [15:53] <glob> sjc hosted stuff is still up
# [15:53] <ehsan> so does github :P
# [15:53] <khuey> what's github?
# [15:53] <jlebar> ehsan: Yeah, plusses and minuses of weak typing.
# [15:54] <ehsan> khuey: don't push me :P
# [15:54] <KaiRo> newsgroups are also working fine, but they are hosted externally as well
# [15:54] <khuey> yeah, those don't count
# [15:54] <ehsan> jlebar: my single biggest wish for python is better diagnostics
# [15:54] <khuey> IRC is actually hosted by us
# [15:54] <ehsan> somebody should show clang to CPython devs
# [15:55] <glandium> hg works too. but tbpl doesn't
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# [15:55] <jlebar> time for bed.
# [15:55] * khuey agrees with jlebar
# [15:55] <bbondy> khuey elm logs are still up :P
# [15:56] <jlebar> khuey: lol…we're on slightly different timezones. :)
# [15:56] <khuey> jlebar: doesn't mean you're incorrect
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# [15:56] <ehsan> bbondy: are they?!
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# [15:56] <peregrino> khuey: I hope you are on east cost now :P
# [15:56] <khuey> I am
# [15:57] <bbondy> hah
# [15:57] <ehsan> fg
# [15:57] <ehsan> bah
# [15:57] <erione> msucan: This is a part of patch which actually fixes the regression i faced - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1393954
# [15:57] <khuey> jlebar is in taiwan though
# [15:57] <khuey> it's like 3 am there or so
# [15:57] <catlee> the only thing that's busted about builds is tbpl
# [15:57] <erione> can you just tell me that does this leads to redundancy?
# [15:57] <peregrino> yeah, but in MV is like 6am
# [15:57] <erione> msucan: ^
# [15:57] <khuey> yep
# [15:57] <peregrino> 6am is a more insane our to be working than 3am
# [15:58] <catlee> ehsan: meh, I think it's just a matter of getting used to what the messages mean, and coping with dynamic typing
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# [15:58] <ehsan> catlee: that's what gcc loves will tell you, but don't believe them for a second!
# [15:58] <peregrino> 6am means a) You woke up at 6am (not sane) b) You kept working overnight (not healthy :P )
# [15:59] <ehsan> it is quite possible for a compiler to give you good diagnostics!
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# [15:59] <catlee> well, this is a runtime exception
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# [15:59] <khuey> you should just crash
# [15:59] <khuey> it's more fun
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# [16:00] <catlee> yeah
# [16:00] <catlee> abort()
# [16:00] <ehsan_> khuey: crash the compiler or the system?
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# [16:00] <ehsan_> sods are way more fun
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# [16:01] <bbondy> ouch
# [16:01] <bbondy> good luck with that
# [16:01] <catlee> owie
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# [16:02] <khuey> I was going for a program crash
# [16:02] <khuey> but crashing the system is fun too
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# [16:02] <catlee> format C:
# [16:02] <bbondy> catlee: wrong window
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# [16:03] <ehsan_> bbondy: btw, can you point me to an elm log?
# [16:03] <ehsan_> bbondy: an xpcshell log would be awesome!
# [16:03] <glandium> is there a particular reason we're still not using system zlib on linux ?
# [16:03] <bbondy> ehsan_: I meant just hg history
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# [16:03] <imphil> does someone know a way to force the access of a DOM method from JS through XPCOM (like when calling it from C++) instead of quickstubs? (for a mochitest) probably through some of the wrappers?
# [16:03] <catlee> glandium: ours is better?
# [16:03] <ehsan_> bbondy: bah
# [16:03] <ehsan_> does that mean that I can't even rewrite python in batch?!
# [16:03] <glandium> catlee: it's not patched
# [16:03] * ehsan_ weeps
# [16:04] <catlee> ehsan_: http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/elm-win32/1323145100/elm_xp_test-xpcshell-build8.txt.gz
# [16:04] <khuey> glandium: ask bsmedberg
# [16:04] <catlee> what are you trying to do?
# [16:04] <khuey> imphil: why would you want to do that?
# [16:04] <ehsan_> catlee: thanks!
# [16:05] <catlee> glandium: speeds up loading?
# [16:05] <ehsan_> catlee: rewrite the python xpcshell runner stuff in batch
# [16:05] <catlee> py2exe didn't work out for you?
# [16:05] <glandium> catlee: unlikely
# [16:05] <ehsan_> catlee: it needed some knowledge of python packaging which I lack
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# [16:05] <ehsan_> catlee: so I decided that I won't waste time going through with that
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# [16:06] <imphil> (i would show you the bug report...) because with the merges of the nsIDOM(3)Node stuff an bug was introduced which causes element.LookupNamespaceURI when called through quickstubs to end up in nsINode and when called from xpcom in nsIContent; now I need a testcase for this
# [16:06] <imphil> khuey, ^^
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# [16:06] <khuey> ah
# [16:06] <khuey> so
# [16:06] <khuey> it is possible
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# [16:07] <rillian_lime> stuff is still down?
# [16:08] <khuey> imphil: I think you want an xray wrapper
# [16:08] <khuey> bz would know for sure
# [16:08] * NeilAway wonders whether http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/job-fails-this-is-the-same-nightmare-all-it-guys-have.jpg is what IT is struggling with ;-)
# [16:08] <imphil> khuey, the STR from the bug report (good that the tab is still open) were top.opener.gBrowser.contentDocument.defaultView.document.getElementsByTagName('div')[0].lookupNamespaceURI(null) from the error console, but I didn't figure out how to get gBrowser form an mochitest
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# [16:10] <khuey> imphil: you want to write a browser-chrome mochitest
# [16:10] <khuey> then you'll have a gBrowser available
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# [16:10] <NeilAway> khuey: wouldn't a chrome mochitest suffice, with a frame containing a content document?
# [16:11] <khuey> probably
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# [16:12] <imphil> but i guess creating an xraywrapper like new XRayWrapper(object) is not possible?
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# [16:21] <ejpbruel> hey, bugzilla back up for me!
# [16:22] <glob> \o/
# [16:22] <ejpbruel> weee!
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# [16:23] <catlee> let the bugs flow!
# [16:23] <jmaher> Yoric: ping
# [16:23] <ttaubert> wooo
# [16:23] <msucan> erione: cool. sorry for the delay, i was away, eating
# [16:23] <msucan> just came back
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# [16:24] <gcp> are the trees going to be reopened?
# [16:24] <mak> tbpl is back
# [16:25] <NeilAway> imphil: you probably need to ask mrbkap
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# [16:26] <erione> msucan: np :)
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# [16:28] <mak> looks like having network down causes mochitests leaks...
# [16:28] <imphil> NeilAway, thanks, I'll do
# [16:28] <jmaher> not sure how network down can cause leaks
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# [16:29] <mak> nsHostResolver
# [16:29] <jmaher> ahh
# [16:29] <froydnj> the tubes are broken apart, so there's leaks
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# [16:31] <mrbkap> imphil: what's your question?
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# [16:33] <imphil> mrbkap, is it possible to create an XRayWrapper from JS to make force the access of a dom method to go through xpcom instead of quickstubs (I need this for a mochitest for bug 693615)
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# [16:34] <erione> msucan: can you just tell me that does this leads to any kind of redundancy?
# [16:34] <erione> *that patch
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# [16:35] <mrbkap> imphil: not from content.
# [16:35] <msucan> erione: the chunk you had linked when i was away?
# [16:35] <erione> yes
# [16:35] <mrbkap> imphil: it's pretty ugly, but you can actually delete the property from the prototype.
# [16:35] <mrbkap> imphil: and that'll force us to go through XPConnect instead.
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# [16:36] <msucan> erione: can you explain why it's needed?
# [16:36] <msucan> what goes wrong without that chunk?
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# [16:37] <msucan> i know it fixes some STR, but i wonder if that's the right fix
# [16:37] <erione> when i put condition pop.isOpen(),it ignores the case when the pop is close,
# [16:38] <glob> NeilAway, what's your bmo login?
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# [16:38] <msucan> erione: is that piece of code needed to have the completion node updated but after that ... the popup hidden?
# [16:39] <erione> yes when you have only one item left in the pop up,no need to show it
# [16:40] <erione> and popup.hide() was already there, before i did patching for this bug
# [16:40] <msucan> erione: right, it looks to me like the condition to hidePopup() should stay in place (isOpen)
# [16:40] <msucan> doing a quick open/close seems a hack
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# [16:41] <erione> yes, so i need to perform checking
# [16:41] <erione> before i open/close
# [16:41] <erione> thats what i was asking
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# [16:41] <msucan> erione: doesn't it work to call selectNextItem() without opening the popup?
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# [16:42] <Yoric> jmaher: pong
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# [16:43] <jmaher> Yoric: I had posted a question in the xperf probes bug
# [16:43] <jmaher> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696033
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# [16:44] <jmaher> oh, you replied...I just never got the bugmail ;)
# [16:44] <Yoric> jmaher: yeah, there's even a reply :)
# [16:44] <NeilAway> glob: it's currently neil@httl.net
# [16:44] <jmaher> Yoric: I will try this out
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# [16:44] <glob> NeilAway, bug 707931
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# [16:45] <jmaher> probably later today or tomorrow.
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# [16:45] <Yoric> jmaher: don't hesitate to ping me directly for any question
# [16:45] <NeilAway> imphil: out of interest, what's the bug# for this?
# [16:45] <jmaher> Yoric: I was hoping to add this into the same command that I currently use for disk metrics
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# [16:45] <erione> msucan: i tried that just now, it works...
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# [16:46] <imphil> NeilAway, 693615
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# [16:46] <imphil> mrbkap, I'll give it a try ...
# [16:46] <NeilAway> glob: ooh, nasty :-(
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# [16:46] <Yoric> jmaher: good luck :)
# [16:47] <glob> NeilAway, at least it's an easy fix :)
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# [16:47] <jmaher> Yoric: I will need it ;)
# [16:47] <NeilAway> glob: :-)
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# [16:51] <armenzg> I've got a question
# [16:51] <armenzg> is Google bringing innovation with Chrome the right way?
# [16:51] <armenzg> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397158,00.asp
# [16:52] <armenzg> or is there another way it could be brought about?
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# [16:53] <nigelb> Is that an old article?
# [16:53] <nigelb> No, but some of the information on that is old, however.
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# [16:59] <nemo> huh. weird
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# [16:59] <nemo> why is FF9 beta so much slower at kraken than it used to be?
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# [16:59] <nemo> when in alpha
# [17:00] <nemo> I'm getting speeds barely faster than FF7, when it used to perform on par w/ nightlies.
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# [17:00] <nemo> I guess some stuff was too unstable for beta...
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# [17:02] <erione> msucan: this seems to be the patch which fixes all the known regressions without any redundancy - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1394008
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# [17:02] <espindola> is zimbra fully down?
# [17:02] <NeilAway> mrbkap: whoa, that's weird... (bypass quickstubs by deleting them from the prototype)
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# [17:03] <catlee> who can tell me how to find what url firefox 3.6 checks for AMO pings?
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# [17:03] <msucan> erione: indeed. that looks really good. if you're happy with it, please submit the patch for feedback, in bugzilla
# [17:04] <msucan> and i'll take the time check it out, provide feedback, etc
# [17:04] <msucan> thanks a lot for your time!
# [17:04] <Pike> catlee: install one and set app.update.log to true?
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# [17:06] <KaiRo> espindola: it looks that zimbra is completely down, yes, as other stuff is returning but not that one
# [17:07] <espindola> ok, was wondering if there was some other way to get to it other than imap and webmail :-(
# [17:07] <nemo> Firefox 7: 5070.5ms ± 0.8% | FF9.0: 4843.2ms +/- 1.7% | FF11a (20111206): 3508.5ms +/- 1.6% | FF9a2 (20111019): 3454.8ms ± 1.9% | Chrome 15: 3291.3ms ± 1.6%
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# [17:08] <espindola> well, "last modified bugs" in bugzilla is almost the same an email :-)
# [17:08] <imphil> mrbkap, nice, it really works. Now i guess I'll be shot in a couple years when this behaviour changes :)
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# [17:09] <mak> tbpl is going down again, I wonder how much will bugzilla take before doing the same
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# [17:09] <espindola> and bugzilla is giving "service unavailable" again :-(
# [17:10] <mak> not a lot looks like
# [17:10] <glob> mak, zero seconds evidently
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# [17:10] <jesup> nemo: was TI (or something else) on temporarily, but turned off when FF9 went to aurora or beta?
# [17:10] <nemo> jesup: TI appears to be on
# [17:10] <nemo> that's jitprofiling right?
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# [17:10] <jesup> No, TI is type inference
# [17:10] <nemo> jesup: disabling trace in 9.0 beta causes horribly worse results
# [17:10] <nemo> oh
# [17:10] <nemo> jesup: I dunno. things keep getting renamed :-p
# [17:11] <nemo> ohhhh
# [17:11] <nemo> crap
# [17:11] <jesup> nemo: I suggest filing a bug on the regression
# [17:11] <nemo> nonono
# [17:11] * nemo slaps nemo silly
# [17:11] <jesup> aha
# [17:11] <nemo> I'm an idiot. sorry.
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# [17:11] <jesup> I suspect we have a reason
# [17:11] <jesup> ;-)
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# [17:12] <nemo> my "beta" profile had typeinference *disabled* - I guess when I was testing the (real) regression in javascript matrix libs :D
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# [17:12] <jesup> SIlly chatzilla... closing the wrong tab again
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# [17:13] <nemo> jesup: FWIW, it was when I was trying https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703132 :)
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# [17:14] <nemo> ok. rechecking user set, nothing else insane
# [17:14] <nemo> right. *tries again*
# [17:14] <jesup> bugzilla may be down again
# [17:14] <glob> s/bugzilla/everything/
# [17:14] <glob> good thing the topic wasn't updated
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# [17:15] <catlee> does the non-mozilla tbpl still work?
# [17:15] <jesup> Meta-question: if bugzilla is down and IRC is down, does Mozilla exist? :-)
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# [17:18] <KaiRo> jesup: no idea, I couldn't reply to you here if that was the case, so it sounds a lot like "I'm thinking, therefore I am." :)
# [17:18] <philor> catlee: depends on what you mean by "work"
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# [17:19] <catlee> philor: enough re-open trees?
# [17:19] <philor> catlee: no
# [17:19] <catlee> builds and tests still work
# [17:19] <catlee> logs get uploaded
# [17:19] <catlee> hm
# [17:20] <nemo> jesup: looks like the highpoint of the firefox scores was FF10 around late september/early november in the JM branch - but I think that was just some patches that never ended up landing
# [17:20] <philor> maybe I'm overvaluing starring - you can see whether or not things have gone to hell, you just can't star them
# [17:20] <nemo> jesup: http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml :)
# [17:20] * KaiRo gets a feeling that we are too dependent on PHX1 nowadays
# [17:20] <catlee> oh, the starring is busted too?
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# [17:21] <catlee> that's in phx?
# [17:21] <philor> there's no mechanism for sharing between tbpl dbs
# [17:21] <glob> there is a bmo instance in sjc
# [17:21] <philor> all of tbpl.m.o is in phx
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# [17:22] <KaiRo> nemo: having Nightly in as well would be interesting
# [17:22] <nemo> KaiRo: I just tried nightly
# [17:23] <nemo> it was too depressing to add
# [17:23] <nemo> FF11a (20111206): 3508.5ms +/- 1.6%
# [17:23] <philor> inconveniently, swatinem.de seems to be down too, so we can't really decide to run with a read-only tbpl
# [17:23] <nemo> KaiRo: oh, what the heck, I'll add it for accuracy :)
# [17:23] <nemo> busy rerunning opera and webkit and whatnot...
# [17:24] <KaiRo> nemo: for one thing, we had some regressions recently, that's known - and it's nice to see that TI makes a significant difference
# [17:25] <nemo> ack. accidentally put nightly as FF9 - they are so close... 3537.0ms +/- 1.1% = FF9 3508.5ms +/- 1.6% = FF11 nightly
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# [17:26] <ahal> nemo: fyi there's some automated infrastructure running kraken - http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/speedtests/results.html#/Kraken/10.250.4.115/2011-11-08/2011-12-06
# [17:26] <nemo> ahal: yeah, but AFAIK it doesn't run other browsers or in-browser
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# [17:26] <nemo> so I do it to entertain myself
# [17:26] <nemo> is harmless :)
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# [17:27] <ahal> it also runs safari, chrome, opera and ie :)
# [17:27] <nemo> oh?
# [17:27] <nemo> omg
# [17:27] <nemo> kickass
# [17:27] <nemo> I thought it was basically awfy
# [17:27] <nemo> hm
# [17:27] <nemo> your FF11 does not match mine :-p
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# [17:28] <catlee> philor: ok, so the one thing we're missing is starring?
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# [17:29] <philor> catlee: no, the two things we're missing are starring and a working install, since I've been loading tbpl.swatinem.de for as long as I've been loading bmo, and neither one seems to be connecting
# [17:29] <mak> catlee: reopening the trees without being able to look at results is like suicide
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# [17:30] <catlee> mak: I'm talking about bringing up tbpl somewhere else
# [17:30] <philor> and without bmo, the three things we're missing are starring, a way to see whether a failure is known or not, and a working install
# [17:30] <mak> plus mochitests are leaking all around due to the network bustage
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# [17:30] <catlee> none of the test infra is in phx
# [17:30] <mak> then please explain me why that happens :)
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# [17:30] <catlee> philor: 1 and 3 are fixable
# [17:31] <KaiRo> nemo: you guys probably have different dates of the Nightly builds, and we had some changes recently that caused regressions
# [17:31] <catlee> mak: bad tests! :)
# [17:31] <mak> when network is up no leaks, when network is down, leaks
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# [17:31] <philor> 2 is too, if someone would fail it over to the non-phx one
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# [17:31] <nemo> KaiRo: ah. yeah. that's an old nightly
# [17:31] <catlee> mak: do tests check for addons?
# [17:31] <catlee> updates / blocklists?
# [17:31] <nemo> KaiRo: but I never ever got results that close to recent chromium in nightly
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# [17:31] <nemo> KaiRo: just in JM, w/ those unapplied patch thingies that impacted, erm, darkroom I think
# [17:31] <mak> catlee: no idea, maybe? Unfortunately I had no time to reall all of our hundreds tests!
# [17:32] <mak> to read
# [17:32] <Mano> mak: i hope you're ok with reviewing a ctypes-based mac-safari-importer...
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# [17:32] <Mano> clearly, no one else is going to do that :-/
# [17:32] <mak> Mano: Am I? well probably yes
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# [17:33] <KaiRo> nemo: bug 637931 tracks some regressions on trunk
# [17:33] <ahal> nemo: are you testing chrome or chromium?
# [17:33] <Mano> if only apple could keep their plists files in xml format :-/
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# [17:33] <mak> Mano: provided I'll be able to access bugzilla, soon or later :)
# [17:34] <Mano> mak: indeed!
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# [17:34] <nemo> ahal: Chrome 15 is a default chrome 15 install. The "nightly" chrome is just grabbing builds off of http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-continuous/index.html
# [17:34] <Mano> and given that bugzilla is the only true reference to ctypes...
# [17:34] <nemo> ahal: obviously that could vary over the course of a day, but brackets a range
# [17:34] <nemo> ahal: arbitrary just so I could have consistent syntax across webkit/chromium/gecko :)
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# [17:35] <ahal> nemo: oh I see, I parsed your last sentence wrong.. disregard me
# [17:35] <Mano> mak: so, is it a good idea to convert this migrator to async-places-apis while js-porting?
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# [17:36] <Mano> or should i use the old apis first, as in the old migrator.
# [17:36] <mak> Mano: you mean using updatePlaces() for history? yes it is... I suggest to follow the current Chrome migrator that is the most up-to-date we have
# [17:36] <Yoric> Do we have "best practices" on defining or-able flag values?
# [17:37] <Mano> mak: nothing for bookmarks?
# [17:37] <nemo> ahal: ah. I see. the speedtest is running Chrome 15 against nightly firefox. that could explain why firefox is just slightly slower
# [17:37] <mak> Mano: no, not yet, maybe in january
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# [17:39] <nemo> ahal: yeah. that's a 4.3% difference between Chrome 15 and FF11 nightly - I get a 6.6% difference on http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml so that's pretty close I guess :)
# [17:40] <philor> catlee: yeah, would probably work, for painful limping along: get someone to fail bmo over to sjc, don't give your tbpl the pw for tbplbot, yours would star but not mark bugs, when tbpl.m.o came back we would have to restar everything there
# [17:40] <nemo> of course 16% if comparing nightly to nightly
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# [17:40] <ahal> nemo: yeah, hardware / environment probably accounts for some difference
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# [17:42] <ahal> on another note, looks like there was a regression in sunspider recently http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/speedtests/results.html#/SunSpider/10.250.4.115/2011-11-08/2011-12-06
# [17:42] <philor> mak: doubt you need to read all the tests, just the harness and all of the chrome code to see why we leak, since leaking in M1,M3,M4,M5 doesn't smell like tests
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# [17:42] <mak> philor: I'll do that on christmas
# [17:42] <bsmedberg> heh
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# [17:43] <KaiRo> ahal: as I said above, bug 637931 tracks the recent regression
# [17:43] <mak> philor: btw, I agree, must be something global
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# [17:45] <ahal> KaiRo: ah, missed that.. thanks
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# [17:47] <KaiRo> glob: all of PHX1 working again?
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# [17:47] <KaiRo> hmm, doesn't look like it
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# [17:47] <glob> KaiRo, yes, as far as i can tell
# [17:47] <lurking> KaiRo: status.mozilla.come says no
# [17:48] <glob> status is delayed -- bmo is up, but not according to status
# [17:48] <lurking> errr .com
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# [17:49] <KaiRo> glob: and zimbra is still down - bugzilla has been working intermittently in the last hours, as has e.g. Socorro, but they go down again every now and then
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# [17:49] <KaiRo> looks a lot like network issues
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# [17:49] <glob> KaiRo, the zimbra outage isn't related to the network issue
# [17:49] <KaiRo> (zimbra might be different, though)
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# [17:49] <KaiRo> glob: ah, ok
# [17:50] <catlee> yeah, two separatre issues
# [17:50] <glob> zimba: disk fail, much badness
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# [17:50] <sheppy> Poor IT guys. Being a sucky week for them.
# [17:50] <glob> yeah :( it's like there's been several "perfect storms" hitting at once
# [17:50] <KaiRo> glob: I thought they had fixed the disk already... but sounds bad, yes, I'm happy I'm not in IT atm
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# [17:55] <sheppy> KaiRo: Apparently there's more than one, or something's wrong with the RAID array in general, or something.
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# [17:57] <KaiRo> sheppy: ouch
# [17:57] <erione> msucan: could you please suggest me some bug to work on, more related to c++, if you know?
# [17:57] <erione> i've already uploaded the latest patch for feedback
# [17:57] <msucan> erione: thanks. i'll look into your patch ASAP
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# [17:57] <erione> np
# [17:58] <msucan> erione: wrt. c++, the devtools team works mainly with javascript code - that's how the tools are built. for c++ i suggest searching for [good first bug] with bugzilla in other components
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# [17:59] <msucan> erione: go for the core product. the firefox product and components make heavy use of js and xul
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# [17:59] <erione> ok,fine :)
# [18:00] <msucan> i expect others here will be of more help with core bugs than myself ;)
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# [18:01] <erione> but this bug was really a good start for me, (also when you dont have any knowhow of js)
# [18:01] <erione> i learn some basics of js also with this start...
# [18:01] <erione> *learnt
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# [18:05] <jdm> ack, firefoxlive.org is so distracting right now
# [18:05] <jdm> the cubs are super active at the moment
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# [18:08] <sheppy> The cam doesn't do them justice at all.
# [18:08] <jdm> sheppy: I'm so envious that you live close enough to see them
# [18:09] <sheppy> I'm considering a zoo membership just so I can go see them whenever I feel like it.
# [18:09] <sheppy> There's even a bench right in front of them. I might take my laptop and just sit there and work some nice spring day. :D
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# [18:10] <jdm> I'm hoping I can get out there in the next couple months
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# [18:10] <sheppy> The sign next to their habitat says the Knoxville zoo has has 102 red pandas born since they started their breeding program. Nice.
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# [18:18] <Ms2ger> Why doesn't http://status.mozilla.com/ check tbpl?
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# [18:20] <sheppy> Doesn't check devmo either.
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# [18:25] <edmorley> philor: happy to reopen?
# [18:25] <dougt> i am seeing lots of flash hangs in the nightly
# [18:25] <dougt> anyone looking at that?
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# [18:25] <dougt> (hangs that hang firefox)
# [18:25] <dougt> i have stacks
# [18:25] <dougt> who is looking at that stuff?
# [18:26] <edmorley> KaiRo: ^
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# [18:26] <philor> catlee: did IT blow the all-clear siren somewhere non-public?
# [18:26] <catlee> no
# [18:26] <philor> edmorley: no ;)
# [18:26] <KaiRo> dougt: we are surely interested
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# [18:27] <KaiRo> dougt: the question though is who can look into it, but make sure we have a bug on file and we'll try to get someone to look into it - if you have STR, that would be great
# [18:28] <dougt> lolz. thank KaiRo
# [18:28] <edmorley> philor: ok, didn't know there was still stuff to do, seeing as everything's up
# [18:28] <edmorley> catlee: is there a bug for the remaining work, that I can correcy the tbpl status message to point at?
# [18:28] <catlee> edmorley: not that I'm aware of
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# [18:28] <philor> edmorley: and if it was after 5, I'd just reopen, but during the day, MoCo employees are waiting to throw twenty or thirty pushes at the tree, which doesn't go so well if the network goes down ten minutes later
# [18:29] <edmorley> philor: good point :-)
# [18:29] <KaiRo> dougt: the good thing is that we can apply some soft pressure from the CrashKill team to have someone look into it - but the question remains how much people are listening to us and how actionable the issues are
# [18:29] <nemo> so. why was e10s so much easier to roll out in fennec? doesn't it have the same core, and thus the same problems?
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# [18:30] <Waldo> I think it's because people don't browse to the same extent on mobile as on desktop
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# [18:30] <Waldo> and extensions
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# [18:31] <nemo> I do quite a lot of browsing on my android tablet
# [18:31] <nemo> although I mostly use stable now since nightly is so breaky after the native UI landed
# [18:31] <Waldo> but you don't have thirty/forty tabs open at once, or even more than a dozen or so, likely
# [18:31] <nemo> Waldo: dozen is pretty common when browsing reddit :)
# [18:31] <Waldo> because if you did, the background killer would start making app-switching unbearable
# [18:31] <dougt> nemo: we only had a few 10k lines.
# [18:31] <nemo> navigating back and forth is pretty painful
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# [18:31] <dougt> nemo: firefox desktop is pretty huge.
# [18:31] <nemo> so I usually open each reddit article in a new tab
# [18:32] <KaiRo> nemo: a lot of the browser UI interacts with the web page, Fennec didn't have that problem because it was less UI and and it wasn't even all finished
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# [18:32] <dougt> it was finished enough to ship a few versions, KaiRo.
# [18:32] <nemo> KaiRo: ah. gotcha. so less to handle, and what didn't work, you could throw out.
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# [18:33] <KaiRo> dougt: ah, did e10s come in so late? I don't remember exactly any more
# [18:33] <nemo> same time as native UI no?
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# [18:33] <gcp> dcamp: you wanted code? you got code! :P
# [18:34] <KaiRo> nemo: less to handle was the major thing, esp. as a lot of time you didn't see any UI at all in XUL Fennec
# [18:34] <dcamp> gcp: will take a look today, thanks
# [18:34] <nemo> KaiRo: yeah. I really miss the old tab handling :-/
# [18:34] <KaiRo> nemo: native UI is completely new (and without e10s), but e10s has been around for a while
# [18:34] <nemo> KaiRo: using tabs is a lot more pleasant in stable
# [18:34] <dcamp> gcp: (and thanks for the heads up, with mail down)
# [18:35] <KaiRo> nemo: phone or tablet?
# [18:35] <nemo> KaiRo: tablet
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# [18:35] <nemo> KaiRo: for phone, a UI like apple's might make more sense :)
# [18:35] <KaiRo> nemo: well, there is no native UI for tablets yet, so you get the phone UI, which of course is suboptimal
# [18:35] <nemo> gotcha
# [18:35] <KaiRo> nemo: the XUL tablet UI rocks, though, IMHO
# [18:36] <nemo> KaiRo: yeah. I have lots of horizontal space, so when I'm opening a ton of tabs in reddit I like that it uses 2 columns.
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# [18:36] <KaiRo> i.e. the one of Beta and Aurora, atm (and Nightly if you find the XUL builds)
# [18:36] <nemo> KaiRo: and I can always hide it when I need the screen space
# [18:36] <nemo> KaiRo: the XUL one they temporarily shifted to w/ a strip you can't hide that I have to scroll through for more than 5 tabs, that one I do not like
# [18:37] <nemo> but luckily that is not in stable yet
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# [18:38] <imphil> are there instructions somewhere how to build a localized xulrunner?
# [18:38] <nemo> KaiRo: oh. esp since I hit "restore tab" way too often in both UIs when trying to scroll :)
# [18:38] <KaiRo> nemo: 1) you actually can hide it and 2) that one is the one that IMHO rocks, I really start to dislike the old XUL UI even on phones (not for speed, but for usability - on the N9 I can't get any other unless I write it myself)
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# [18:39] <nemo> KaiRo: oh? well. to each his own... I find it less efficient to use a lot of tabs, mostly 'cause I can't see 'em all. maybe on phone it is better, or w/ fewer tabs
# [18:39] <imphil> or in replacement for instructions, does anybody know how to do it? ;) (KaiRo?)
# [18:39] <espindola> ehsan_, while bugzilla is up, could you try the patch in 707648
# [18:39] <espindola> and see if it fixes the build for you?
# [18:40] <nemo> KaiRo: FWIW, I'm using the Acer A500 - so it has a reasonably large screen
# [18:40] <KaiRo> imphil: not sure, I think L10n is one of the reasons we never switched to basing stuff on XULRunner
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# [18:41] <KaiRo> nemo: I've been using the ASUS TF101 when I had one that worked, and loved the new tablet UI
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# [18:43] <nemo> KaiRo: I also use tabcandy a lot, so I suppose I like the old one 'cause I like seeing previews of a dozen tabs at once. anyway. no biggie. tablet isn't my main browser so I'm not as attached to the UI
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# [18:45] <nemo> KaiRo: button to display allll the tabs, scaled to fit screen size :D
# [18:45] <KaiRo> nemo: I'm not sure if there are any concrete plans at all for that yet, the focus is on getting phones to work well first
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# [18:51] <bsmedberg> Mossop: can restartless addons use "resource" directives in their chrome.manifest?
# [18:52] <blassey> can we reopen the tree now?
# [18:52] <blassey> tbpl seems to work
# [18:52] * bsmedberg sees "allowbootstrap" in ManifestParser.cpp says no
# [18:52] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Nope
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# [18:53] <Ms2ger> blassey, scrollback said no
# [18:53] <ted2> you can register resource dynamically though
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# [18:54] <blassey> Ms2ger: does scrollback say why?
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> <philor> catlee: did IT blow the all-clear siren somewhere non-public?
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> <catlee> no
# [18:54] <Ms2ger> <philor> edmorley: no ;)
# [18:54] * ted2 looks around
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# [18:55] <jhammel> ah, that must mean things are back to normal
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# [18:56] <blassey> catlee: when can we open the tree?
# [18:57] <catlee> blassey: when IT says it's ok
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# [18:58] <nigelb> NSPR2 sounds scary.
# [18:59] <bsmedberg> josh: I've been staring at pandora for a couple days now and I can't figure out how to debug it better
# [18:59] <bsmedberg> josh: maybe we can get help from pandora devs?
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# [19:00] <bsmedberg> josh: do you want to do that or shall I try?
# [19:01] <josh> I don;t have contacts, I'd have to ask around
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# [19:01] <josh> Can you try, cc me? I am going on vacation tomorrow evening?
# [19:01] <bsmedberg> ah, ok
# [19:02] <josh> thanks!
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# [19:15] <nigelb> glob: I have a better suggestion :)
# [19:15] <jwir3> glob, are you able to access your mozilla.com email right now?
# [19:15] <nigelb> (slightly)
# [19:16] <nigelb> glob: http://harthur.github.com/bzhome/
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> Surrendering your private data to Google? :)
# [19:16] <glob> jwir3, no
# [19:16] <jwir3> glob: ah, right...
# [19:16] <jwir3> glob: #it still says it's down
# [19:16] <glob> nigelb, that doesn't do most of what i need
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# [19:17] <nigelb> glob: ah
# [19:17] <glob> nigelb, i get most of my emails from watching components and products
# [19:17] <nigelb> glob: oooh, that doesn't work then. Right.
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# [19:18] <Pike> ted2: do we use http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/crashreporter/client/crashreporter.cpp on android? in particular, native UI one. I'm trying to find out if we need the override strings ini for the stuff coming off of birch
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> edmorley, ^
# [19:26] <edmorley> catlee, Ms2ger: thanks
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# [19:30] <ted2> Pike: no, we don't use that
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# [19:31] <ted2> i forget where blassey put the crashreporter strings for android :-/
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# [19:31] <romaxa> bsmedberg: ping
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# [19:32] <bsmedberg> romaxa: pong
# [19:32] <romaxa> bsmedberg: is it ok if I create dev and probably dbg package for xulrunner configuration?
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# [19:33] <bsmedberg> romaxa: aren't the SDK packages the dev packages?
# [19:33] <ted2> Pike: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/embedding/android/strings.xml.in
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# [19:33] <ted2> i have no idea what that does
# [19:33] <Pike> ted2: I know that one, but we still ship the overrides :-)
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> We ship a lot of silly stuff
# [19:34] <Pike> ted2: also, we do/did use the overrides for maemo 'til the end?
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# [19:34] <romaxa> bsmedberg: yep, but thos are not debianized... and there is no relation ship between sdk.tar.bz and xulrunned_.deb
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> XUL, to name just one
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# [19:34] <ted2> Pike: maemo used a clone of the linux crashreporter, so we should have used all the same files
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# [19:35] <WeirdAl> Hey, folks - I notice there's a whole bunch of files at resource://gre/modules/ these days, including several *Utils.jsm packages... should we think about creating some more subdirs in that space, moving JSM's into the subdirs?
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# [19:36] <bsmedberg> WeirdAl: why?
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# [19:36] <romaxa> bsmedberg: another thing, would it make sense to add gredir variable into one of *.pc files, for example into libxul-embedding.pc, so embedderapp could read that value and use it as search/GRE_HOME path for glue startup and xpcom.so search.
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# [19:36] <WeirdAl> eh, it's getting a little crowded... these URL's start to become unique identifiers in their own right
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# [19:37] <WeirdAl> just a random thought I had while reading the osfile.jsm post on planet
# [19:37] <Pike> ted2: that oth raises the interesting question if the linux one does. though probably the non-linux desktop builds do, so for those, that'd be good to have
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# [19:38] <romaxa> bsmedberg: btw, you suggestion about libxul embedding was the rright one, I found it very convinient way to embed IPC mozilla, easy initialization et.c., got it working on linux, android
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# [19:42] <edmorley> yay for UA sniffing http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/webkit/glue/webkit_glue.cc?r1=111877&r2=111876&pathrev=111877
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# [19:43] <@bz> edmorley: yeah
# [19:43] <@bz> edmorley: I wonder sometimes whether we should just do this....
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# [19:43] <nigelb> ew
# [19:43] <nigelb> slightly hacky ;)
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# [19:44] <Pike> ted2: do you happen to know the answer for the corresponding question for the updater.ini strings? I know that we're building the updater, I'd just be surprised if we'd show progress UI
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# [19:46] <khuey> is vidyo up today?
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# [19:47] <rs> Pike: we aren't building updater on android http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/update/Makefile.in#54
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# [19:47] <ehsan> espindola: that patch doesn't fix the crash for me
# [19:47] <ehsan> espindola: why not just take my patch?
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# [19:52] <gcp> how do you undo a hg qfinish -a again?
# [19:52] <espindola> ehsan, I think it breaks windows
# [19:52] <espindola> the idea of the my patch is just:
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# [19:53] <espindola> * if this is a system where we need the critical address
# [19:53] <espindola> ...
# [19:53] <espindola> * else
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# [19:53] <espindola> stubs
# [19:53] <hub> gcp: hg qimport -r
# [19:53] <espindola> * endif
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# [19:54] <ehsan> espindola: hmm, in that case we need to make the #ifdef condition for your code to be exactly the same as the one further down the file I think
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# [19:54] <espindola> yes, I thought it was :-(
# [19:54] <espindola> ehsan, missing unwind.h I guess
# [19:54] <espindola> it is on the 10.7 sdk
# [19:54] <espindola> but not on earlier ones
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# [19:54] <espindola> gcc has a private version
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# [19:55] <espindola> trying to reproduce this once more...
# [19:55] <ehsan> ok
# [19:55] <ehsan> espindola: I was building with clang/fwiw
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# [19:55] <espindola> yes, that is why
# [19:55] <espindola> clang has its own set of private headers
# [19:55] <espindola> with no unwind.h (so far)
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# [20:03] <zandr> To whom would I direct questions about the client side of the AMO versioncheck?
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# [20:04] <zandr> We are considering the possibility that the recent phx1 load issues are related to a client regression.
# [20:04] <rs> zandr: Mossop though I might be able to help
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# [20:05] <ehsan> taras: ping
# [20:05] <taras> ehsan: pong
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# [20:06] <zandr> rs: OK, so we're seeing something in the neighborhood of 50,000 connections/second to VAMO. 4B hits/day seems high, but I don't know what load *should* be.
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# [20:06] <zandr> rs: data is sketchy at this point, however.
# [20:06] <ehsan> taras: so if I add a number to a telemetry histogram, is there any guarantees that the data will be submitted at some point in the future?
# [20:06] <zandr> How often *should* a client hit VAMO?
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# [20:06] <rs> zandr: once per day per addon
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# [20:07] <zandr> So with 10 addons average..that might actually make sense.
# [20:07] <rs> zandr: it will hit more than that during an app update offer
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# [20:08] <zandr> Yeah, we're wondering if this is related to the 3.6>8.0.1 update
# [20:08] <rs> So with the 3.6.24 to 8.0.1 offer even more so
# [20:08] <rs> Entirely possible though this has been the case previously as well
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# [20:09] <rs> zandr: also, the offer has been turned off I thought
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# [20:09] <zandr> Right, at worst the 3.6 to 8.0.1 offer should be about 20% of a normal release, or is there something unique about that particular path?
# [20:09] <espindola> ehsan, can you send me your mozilla-config.h and nsStackWalk.ii?
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# [20:09] <zandr> Yeah, all updates are off right now.
# [20:09] <espindola> I was able to reproduce the original problem
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# [20:09] <ehsan> espindola: sure
# [20:10] <espindola> (I had a unwind.h in /usr/include)
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# [20:10] <rs> So it shouldn't be affecting it
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# [20:10] <espindola> but with my patch I do get the dummy StackWalkInitCriticalAdress
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# [20:10] <espindola> ehsan, thanks
# [20:11] <taras> ehsan: not sure what you want
# [20:11] <rs> zandr: do you have urls? They contain the app version
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# [20:12] <zandr> rs: asking
# [20:12] <ehsan> taras: I want to know what happens to the probe data that don't get submitted by the time that firefox is shut down
# [20:12] * rs actually contain the app version to check for but it can be figured out
# [20:12] <taras> ehsan: /dev/null
# [20:12] <taras> ehsan: froydnj is working on making that persist
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# [20:13] <ehsan> taras: here's another question, what happens when I add the same number multiple times? do multiple same values get reported?
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# [20:13] <taras> ehsan: that's the point
# [20:13] <taras> yes
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# [20:13] <ehsan> taras: thanks :)
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# [20:13] <ehsan> espindola: attache both files to the bug
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# [20:13] <rs> zandr: I'll be away from keyboard for a few minutes but I'll be back
# [20:13] <zandr> rs: not easily, it seems.
# [20:14] <zandr> looks like cshields has already talked to mossop as well.
# [20:14] * Mossop nods
# [20:14] <zandr> We'll keep digging, thanks for the info.
# [20:14] <Mossop> I asked for the URLs too, it's difficult to even narrow down where the problem might be without those
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# [20:15] <gcp> What's being said here seems to suggest people stayed on 3.6 because they liked their many addons :P
# [20:15] <Callek> robcee: if you wanted to build gcc I could have pointed you at gcc patches that worked around some of those crappy bugs that got you to go to clang :-)
# [20:15] <Callek> (but really, who WANTS to build gcc)
# [20:15] <Mook_as> Mossop: off the top of your head, does it only ping for incompatible addons?
# [20:15] <zandr> gcp: I wouldn't draw any conclusions from the questions I'm asking. :D
# [20:15] <Mossop> gcp: I wouldn't draw that conclusion at all
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# [20:15] <gcp> ok
# [20:15] <robcee> Callek: I wanted no such thing
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# [20:16] <Mossop> Mook_as: I think we ping for all, certainly on the startup of the new version, I'd have to double check on the app update check side
# [20:16] <Mook_as> eh, don't bother, it was more out of curiosity :)
# [20:16] <Mossop> Well it's actually useful data at this point
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# [20:17] <espindola> ehsan, your .ii has the correct (i.e. dummy) version of StackWalkInitCriticalAddress
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# [20:17] <ehsan> well, I'm crashing for whatever reason
# [20:17] <ehsan> espindola: ^
# [20:17] <espindola> and OnLionOrLater is not on that file :-)
# [20:18] <espindola> ehsan, have you relinked everything?
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# [20:19] <ehsan> hmm
# [20:19] <ehsan> espindola: I did make objdir/xpcom
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# [20:19] <ehsan> is that not enough?
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# [20:19] <espindola> ehsan, no idea what the dependencies are
# [20:19] <ehsan> espindola: k, I'll just make everythin
# [20:19] <espindola> have been bitten so many times that I always use the top level one
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# [20:21] <erione> i want to work on some bug related to c++, can any help me to find out??
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# [20:21] <Mossop> Mook_as: When the app detects a new app version is available it only pings AMO for add-ons that are incompatible with the new version
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# [20:22] <Mook_as> okay, thanks. (just curious if that means more pings, assuming addons compatible with 3.6.x is less likely to be simultaneously compatible with 8.0)
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# [20:22] <Mook_as> (that's an assumption you can drive caltrain through, though)
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# [20:23] <blizzard> josh: I can help you find a pandora contact
# [20:24] <blizzard> josh: ...if I had email :(
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# [20:24] <josh> bsmedberg: ^
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# [20:24] <bsmedberg> blizzard: I was just going to call them and ask for the CTO, if my one contact doesn't work out
# [20:25] <bsmedberg> but I'd love help if you have introductions
# [20:25] <jprmc> dougt: we are going to meet with gfx in warp core in about 10 minutes
# [20:25] <erione> khuey: jhammel: can you please help me find some bug to work on?
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# [20:26] <jhammel> erione: um, sure? what do you want to do?
# [20:26] <blizzard> bsmedberg: we know the CTO
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# [20:27] <erione> i would like to work on any component which uses c++ (as i am more used to it)
# [20:27] <khuey> bsmedberg: "hi, we're going to break your website for 25% of the internet unless you help us fix it" :-P
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# [20:27] <ehsan> espindola: r=me :)_
# [20:27] <khuey> erione: I'm on a call, give me a few minutes?
# [20:28] <erione> khuey: ok :)
# [20:28] <bsmedberg> Not exactly what I was going to say, but close enough ;-)
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# [20:28] <espindola> cool
# [20:28] <dougt> jprmc: okay, great. i will grab patrick
# [20:29] <erione> jhammel: since i am more familiar with c++, i would like to work on any component which uses c++
# [20:29] <jhammel> erione: ah, then i am the wrong person to ask
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# [20:29] <erione> ok
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# [20:29] <jhammel> khuey: ^ when you're off phone
# [20:29] <khuey> erione: ok, my phone battery died, so I'm free early
# [20:29] <khuey> what's up?
# [20:30] <erione> nothing much
# [20:30] <khuey> looking for a bug to start on?
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# [20:30] <erione> khuey: yes
# [20:31] <khuey> ok, let's take this to #introduction
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# [20:31] <khuey> mmm reading webkit-dev is fun sometimes
# [20:32] <khuey> watching the google people try to convince the apple people that a branch for dart is a good thing is entertaining
# [20:32] <ted2> heh
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# [20:32] <dao> tried to change my bugzilla email address away from the dead mozilla.com one... "An email has been sent to both old and new email addresses to confirm the change of email address." gah!
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# [20:32] <hub> dao: you should be able to do it with only the new
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# [20:34] <dao> hub: oh, so the second email is redundant. great, thanks
# [20:34] <Callek> dao: yea the second e-mail is to let you abort, basically
# [20:35] <hub> dao: it is more to warn "somebody is try to steal it"
# [20:35] <Callek> so that you are _aware_ of the change incase you were logged in somewhere and someone changed it on you
# [20:35] <hub> but then, I see wrong things happening with that :-/
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# [20:39] <smaugAway> bz: ping
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# [20:39] <@bz> ack
# [20:39] <smaug> bz: have you tried to re-load tbpl pages when you've seen high CC times?
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# [20:40] <@bz> hmm
# [20:40] <@bz> I could try
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> bholley, I bet you'll like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1394211
# [20:41] <@bz> I did have 5-6 of them open before
# [20:41] <@bz> (down to 2 now)
# [20:41] <@bz> but note that most of those are of the form https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=8996de59de28
# [20:41] <@bz> with a particular changeset id
# [20:41] <bholley> Ms2ger: w00t!
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# [20:41] <@bz> When it happens again I'll give it a shot...
# [20:41] <smaug> k
# [20:41] <@bz> ms2ger: niiiiice
# [20:42] <bholley> Ms2ger: can we remove GetArgc and friends, too?
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> No
# [20:42] <bholley> Ms2ger: why not
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> We use it for variadic stuff
# [20:42] <@bz> ms2ger: conditioned on it compiling, of course. ;)
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# [20:42] <smaug> I had few tbpl pages open and CC times increased to 500ms, and reloading helped
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> It compiles, need to check if I need any more reviews
# [20:42] <@bz> smaug: I'll try it
# [20:42] <smaug> need to figure out what in tbpl is causing that
# [20:42] <@bz> smaug: did you have single-changeset pages, or main pages?
# [20:42] <@bz> smaug: yeah, I wonder whether it leaks or something......
# [20:43] <smaug> I had 5 single-changeset and 2 main pages
# [20:43] <@bz> Ms2ger: sr=me, I think
# [20:43] <@bz> smaug: ok
# [20:43] <smaug> those single-changeset pages don't cause the problem
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> bholley, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsCrypto.cpp#1799, for example
# [20:46] <bholley> Ms2ger: any interest in implementing full variadics in XPConnect? ;-)
# [20:46] <bholley> er, idl
# [20:46] * bholley is joking
# [20:46] * khuey glares at bholley
# [20:46] <khuey> please tell me that's not in webidl
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Seeing it implemented? Yes :)
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> khuey, sure
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> is
# [20:47] <khuey> gah
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> document.write, for example
# [20:47] <khuey> is dom.js ready yet?
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# [20:49] <bholley> Ms2ger: where does the spec for document.write live? I don't see it at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
# [20:49] <khuey> in html5
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# [20:49] <Ms2ger> ^
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> It's way too messy to put in a spec of mine
# [20:50] <bholley> Ms2ger: what' the relation between the DOM4 spec and the HTML5 spec?
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# [20:51] <Ms2ger> HTML depends on DOM4
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# [20:56] <bholley> Ms2ger: what dictates whether something goes in DOM or HTML?
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> Anne and me :)
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# [20:57] <bholley> Ms2ger: I mean, what is each supposed to represent? Why the distinction?
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# [20:58] <Ms2ger> DOM4 is generally for the core platform, without depending on markup language / networking / parsing and stuff
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# [20:58] <Ms2ger> HTML is whatever Hixie works on
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# [20:59] <bholley> Ms2ger: I see. So document.write is missing because it depends on markup
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> Also, intricately intertwined with script execution and stuff, which is also specced in HTML
# [20:59] <khuey> so intricately that it's not yet fully understood :-D
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> hsivonen may understand it
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# [21:01] <bholley> Ms2ger: and stuff like canvas?
# [21:01] <bholley> Ms2ger: not core enough?
# [21:01] <Ms2ger> It has an HTML element
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> And Hixie reverse engineered it
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# [21:02] <khuey> the reverse engineered parts of the web are the best parts :-P
# [21:02] <khuey> <canvas>, XHR, etc
# [21:02] <ted2> heh
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# [21:04] <bholley> khuey: you mean, implemented first, specced later?
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# [21:04] <Ms2ger> Indeed
# [21:04] <khuey> exactly
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# [21:05] <khuey> this is more a reflection on design-by-committee than anything else
# [21:05] <@bz> bholley: document.write has to interact very closely with the parser
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# [21:05] <@bz> bholley: and is only available in HTML documents, not in all documents
# [21:05] <Ms2ger> For now
# [21:05] <bholley> and the other types of documents that use DOM, other than HTML? XHTML? Anything else?
# [21:05] <@bz> Ms2ger: I _really_ doubt that will change
# [21:05] <@bz> bholley: svg?
# [21:05] <@bz> bholley: random xml?
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> (Unless you use "HTML document" in the other meaning)
# [21:06] <@bz> I use "HTML document" in the "text/html" meaning
# [21:06] <khuey> haven't the random xml people given up yet?
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> Yeah, that's true
# [21:06] <@bz> khuey: uh... in what sense?
# [21:06] <@bz> khuey: there's random XML all the time; usually gotten using _X_HR
# [21:06] <bholley> what is random xml?
# [21:06] <khuey> gone away so I don't have to think about them anymore? ;-)
# [21:07] <WeirdAl> people never give up on what they think is rightfully theirs
# [21:07] <khuey> bah
# [21:07] <@bz> bholley: just some XML. Served as application/xml
# [21:07] <khuey> all the cool kids use XHR to transfer JSON
# [21:07] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [21:07] <gcp> http://www.regretsy.com/2011/12/05/cats-1-kids-0/ <- that page causes us to lock up for a few seconds. worthy of a bug?
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# [21:07] <bholley> Ms2ger: ok. So DOM applies equally to SVG?
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Indeed
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# [21:07] <bholley> Ms2ger: and the fact that HTMLCollection is called what it is is purely historical?
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Exactly
# [21:08] <@bz> bholley: more or less
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> (There's a note about that, no?)
# [21:08] <@bz> bholley: DOM applies to any HTML or XML format
# [21:08] <@bz> bholley: furthermore, we produce a DOM for various plaintext formats (text/plain, text/css, etc, etc)
# [21:08] <johnath> ehsan / jrmuizel - https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-December/thread.html#18814
# [21:08] <@bz> bholley: we also produce a DOM for image/jpeg, image/gif, video/ogg, and so forth
# [21:09] <khuey> mmm
# [21:09] <khuey> image documents are fun
# [21:09] <khuey> johnath: is that the darth thread?
# [21:09] <khuey> *dart
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> And those DOMs are specified by HTML, as it happens
# [21:09] <bholley> bz: ah right. HTMLImageDocument and whatnot
# [21:09] <@bz> yeah, because of the hixie effect
# [21:09] * @bz loves this conversation
# [21:10] <WeirdAl> the "Hixie" effect?
# [21:10] <johnath> khuey: yeah
# [21:10] <@bz> it's a good reminder that most reasonable people have no idea what all this web standards stuff is
# [21:10] <@bz> and shouldn't
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# [21:10] <khuey> johnath: yeah that's a good read
# [21:10] * @bz just labeled bholley as "reasonable"
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# [21:10] <nigelb> johnath: That is one epic email :)
# [21:10] <Ms2ger> Obviously, every single author should know Hixie! ;)
# [21:10] <@bz> WeirdAl: you're aware of hixie, yes? ;)
# [21:10] <WeirdAl> very, though I've never met him
# [21:11] <@bz> ok
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> Me neither
# [21:11] <nigelb> Does Hixie work for Mozilla?
# [21:11] <@bz> so what's the qestion?
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# [21:11] <Ms2ger> Google
# [21:11] <WeirdAl> I was wondering what this Hixie effect was.
# [21:11] <nigelb> ah
# [21:11] <@bz> define "works for"
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> But he's interned at Netscape, and worked for Opera
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# [21:11] <nigelb> "gets salary from"
# [21:11] <@bz> weirdal: "if you force hixie to reverse-engineer it, the spec will start out in html land"
# [21:11] <khuey> Hixie works for the web
# [21:11] <@bz> nigelb: ah, then google
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# [21:11] <jhammel|melting> so he only has to work for apple and m$ and he'll have all the browsers? ;)
# [21:11] <bholley> Ms2ger, bz: heh. Yeah, I was aware of Hixie and all that, just never had a good sense of how all the specs fit together
# [21:12] * @bz notes that salaries are somewhat fungible
# [21:12] <khuey> jhammel|melting: what about rockmelt?
# [21:12] <nigelb> khuey: so I've heard :)
# [21:12] <bholley> given how sucked-in to the DOM I'm getting though, that is quickly changing
# [21:12] * @bz is pretty sure we'd be happy to hire him if he ever got unhappy with google
# [21:12] <@bz> bholley: hehe
# [21:12] <jhammel|melting> khuey: i meant real browsers ;)
# [21:12] <@bz> bholley: yeah, if you plan to work on dom bindings, you'll have to deal with this crap. ;)
# [21:12] <bholley> bz: I very much plan to work on them
# [21:13] <@bz> bholley: awesome
# [21:13] <Ms2ger> And you'll find most of the crap is in HTML, because of the Hixie effect :)
# [21:13] <bholley> jhammel|melting: fantasai worked for all 4 companies at once at one point
# [21:13] <mayhemer> when is usually m-i to m-c merge scheduled? (what hour)
# [21:13] <jhammel|melting> bholley: wow :)
# [21:13] <@bz> mayhemer: whenever someone does it
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# [21:13] <@bz> s/worked/contracted/
# [21:13] <mayhemer> bz: ok :) thanks
# [21:13] <espindola> anyone knows why we have directories named ipc and IPC
# [21:13] <@bz> I know she was certainly contracting for us and MS at once
# [21:13] <bholley> bz: and apple and google
# [21:14] * WeirdAl notes that at some point in his career he would like to work for Mozilla... someday
# [21:14] <bholley> bz: she had four badges
# [21:14] <espindola> makes for lots of fun when mixing case sensitive and insensitive file systems :-)
# [21:14] <khuey> you have to give up having working email to work here
# [21:14] <@bz> bholley: oh, sure
# [21:14] <@bz> bholley: she bounced back and forth on the contracts, but I don't think all 4 were live at once
# [21:14] <@bz> khuey: not at all
# [21:14] <@bz> khuey: you just have to not use your work email for anything important like bugzilla. ;)
# [21:14] <ehsan> kairo: is this a bug in socorro? https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-4c6f0499-1e72-4f71-99a8-9e22e2111206
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# [21:15] <@bz> khuey: or standards stuff
# [21:15] <khuey> bz: yes, I think everyone is slowly coming around to that realization
# [21:15] <bholley> bz: I think we're going to start on the new bindings in earnest as soon as soon as peterv gets back from PTO
# [21:15] <@bz> bholley: I could be wrong, of course
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# [21:15] <@bz> bholley: yeah, I was just checking when that is
# [21:15] <bholley> bz: there's talk of us all meeting in paris mid-late january. Want to come? :-_
# [21:15] <bholley> :-)
# [21:15] <Ms2ger> We should just all use MIT email
# [21:15] <khuey> orly?
# [21:15] <@bz> bholley: hmmm
# [21:16] <@bz> bholley: "maybe"
# [21:16] * khuey was planning to be in europe then :-P
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> How about early February? :)
# [21:16] <@bz> Ms2ger: it works pretty well
# [21:16] <@bz> Ms2ger: outages are rare
# [21:16] * bholley is aware that bz already flies a lot
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# [21:16] <@bz> Ms2ger: biggest issue for me is the 2GB quota
# [21:16] <@bz> bholley: not that much, actually. I try to limit it because it makes the kids kinda sad....
# [21:16] <bholley> khuey: for the bindings stuff, or something else?
# [21:17] <khuey> I was planning on taking some vacation time
# [21:17] <khuey> but I could be convinced to stop by for the bindings week while I'm over there
# [21:17] <@dbaron> bholley, hmmm, I already have plane tickets to Paris for right after that...
# [21:17] <bholley> khuey: you could piggie back your vacation and get a free flight
# [21:17] <@bz> ok
# [21:17] <khuey> bholley: exactly!!!!
# [21:17] <@bz> looks like next week peterv should be back
# [21:17] * khuey is getting excited now
# [21:18] <@bz> this could be pretty awesome
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# [21:18] <@bz> esp. if we have a plan by then for how to do document and form...
# [21:18] <@bz> I guess we could do them as we do now for the moment
# [21:18] <bholley> then we can all go get drunk under my favorite bridge in paris
# [21:18] <khuey> sounds like a plan
# [21:18] <Ms2ger> Pff, getting drunk is overrated
# [21:18] <khuey> bholley: keep me in the loop?
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# [21:18] <bholley> khuey: sure
# [21:18] <khuey> excellent
# [21:19] <bholley> Ms2ger: bring your own greens, mr netherlands
# [21:19] <jhammel|melting> Ms2ger: *staying* drunk is where its at ;)
# [21:19] <bholley> ;-)
# [21:19] * khuey wanders off to go write the final paper of his undergraduate career
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# [21:19] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, enjoy
# [21:19] <@bz> so fwiw, Jan 23-30 is a bad time for me
# [21:19] <@bz> before that or after that would be better
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> bholley, I'll bring juice instead
# [21:19] <@bz> khuey: congrats!
# [21:19] <bholley> Ms2ger: ;-)
# [21:19] <@bz> khuey|away: and wow. I keep forgetting you're like still in school and shit
# [21:20] <@bz> khuey|away: how the hell are you managing that time-wise?
# [21:20] <WeirdAl> shoot, I just started college a few months ago
# [21:20] <@bz> wait
# [21:20] <@bz> is this our big chance to get Ms2ger drunk and blabbing?
# [21:20] <nigelb> wait, khuey|away is still in school. o_O
# [21:20] <bholley> bz: this is our big chance to meet him, period
# [21:20] <Ms2ger> Unless you plan to force-feed me alcohol, no?
# [21:20] <WeirdAl> I've met khuey, he's cool
# [21:21] <bholley> WeirdAl: we're talking about Ms2ger
# [21:21] <jhammel|melting> Ms2ger: it will be easy after force-feeding you LSD ;)
# [21:21] <WeirdAl> oh
# [21:21] <lurking_work> ewww, LSD & Booze do not mix
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> jhammel|melting, you're not invited
# [21:22] <jhammel|melting> (obviously)
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# [21:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: we'll use trickery
# [21:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: talk to our fratboy friends about how it's done ... ;)
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> Alright
# [21:22] * Ms2ger plans something else that week
# [21:22] <bholley> :-(
# [21:23] * @bz has once again given away too much
# [21:23] <@bz> bholley: let me check on this with Emma before you try scheduling around me
# [21:24] <WeirdAl> hm, two weeks to FF9 release, FF10 beta, FF11 aurora
# [21:24] <@bz> yeah
# [21:24] <@bz> scary
# [21:24] * @bz has stuff he needs to land
# [21:25] <@bz> and TI going forth into the world....
# [21:25] <@bz> hrm
# [21:25] <@bz> there's a dearth of nonstops from BOS to CDG
# [21:25] <lurking_work> outages like last two is putting a serious damper on due-dates no doubt ?
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# [21:25] <@bz> not for me
# [21:26] <@bz> idiotic Windows a11y heisenleaks are putting a damper on _me_
# [21:26] <bholley> bz: I'll send mail
# [21:26] <@bz> bholley: thanks
# [21:26] * @bz wonders whether moco is willing to pay 2x as much for a nonstop
# [21:27] <@bz> (for a 30% shorter travel time, of course)
# [21:27] <philor> mayhemer / sicktab / khuey|away / Well{tab} / evilpie : fair warning, I'm retriggering PGO back through you, looking for a witch
# [21:27] <bholley> bz: how much?
# [21:27] <bholley> bz: I flew round trip nonstop from SFO for 1k for mozcamp
# [21:27] <@bz> bholley: Prices I'm seeing are about $1600 round-trip from BOS to CDG
# [21:27] <bholley> bz: WHAT?
# [21:27] <@bz> bholley: for early Feb
# [21:28] <philor> edmorley / mak / mbrubeck : I think Win PGO is busted, best to avoid merging m-i
# [21:28] <biesi> note that sfo is generally more expensive than bos due to being on the west coast :)
# [21:28] <mbrubeck> awesome
# [21:28] <bholley> biesi: right, which is why bz's prices seem high
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# [21:28] <biesi> indeed!
# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: and about $800 for a stopover in Heathrow
# [21:28] <WeirdAl> sfo's generally more expensive than the other two airports here
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# [21:28] <biesi> the other two airports are really not well suited for flying to/from europe
# [21:28] <@bz> biesi: understatement of the day, eh? ;)
# [21:29] <@bz> I'm not seeing any nonstops from SFO to CDG at all
# [21:29] * lurking_work wonders if that includes the booze and the hooker :)
# [21:29] <@bz> bholley: you flew SFO to CDG nonstop?
# [21:29] <biesi> air france flies sfo-cdg right?
# [21:29] <biesi> bz, I see a nonstop bos-cdg for $728
# [21:29] <bholley> bz: I flew into amsterdam and out of CDG
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# [21:29] <bholley> bz: both nonstop
# [21:29] <WeirdAl> what about the Chunnel, bz?
# [21:30] <biesi> bz, expedia, Mon. Feb. 13 Mon. Feb. 20
# [21:30] <@bz> bholley: huh
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# [21:30] <bholley> bz: also, I probably need to be back in CA by the second week of feb
# [21:30] * @bz is looking Feb 5 to Feb 10
# [21:30] <@bz> maybe I should try different dates
# [21:30] <bholley> bz: earlier pls
# [21:31] <@bz> bholley: how much earlier?
# [21:31] <edmorley> philor: yeah :-(
# [21:31] <@bz> bholley: the week before that one?
# [21:31] <@bz> bholley: or even earlier?
# [21:31] <biesi> mmm, that does seem like a bad weej
# [21:31] <biesi> week
# [21:31] * bholley checks
# [21:32] * @bz pulls up previous week
# [21:32] <smaug> Fosdem is Feb 4-5
# [21:32] <philor> blassey: so, is Android XUL now not tier 1, so we can just hide and ignore those failures?
# [21:32] * smvv is at fosdem :)
# [21:32] <bholley> bz: I have a friend flying to visit me from china for the new year holidays. I need to check with him when he's arriving
# [21:32] <blassey> philor: no, not yet
# [21:32] <biesi> oh
# [21:32] <biesi> bz, you don't have a sat-sun night
# [21:33] <biesi> bz, you really want a sat-sun night
# [21:33] <@bz> biesi: heh
# [21:33] <@bz> biesi: I see
# [21:33] <bholley> bz: my guess is that last week of jan + first week of feb would probably be ok
# [21:33] <@bz> biesi: for price, sure.
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# [21:33] <@bz> biesi: for keeping my family happy, not so much!
# [21:33] <biesi> bz, sure :)
# [21:33] <biesi> bz, feb 4-10 is $778
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# [21:34] <mconnor> bz: honestly, if you want the trip to be worthwhile, the extra day or two is worthwhile
# [21:34] <bholley> I think schedule concerns will probably end up trumping ticket prices
# [21:34] * @bz hates airlines
# [21:34] <@bz> mconnor: worthwhile in what sense?
# [21:34] <mconnor> bz: like, worth going
# [21:34] <@bz> yeah
# [21:34] <@bz> mconnor: I don't see why
# [21:34] <hub> fosdem?
# [21:34] <mconnor> bz: jetlag sucks
# [21:34] <@bz> yeah, if I fly Say I can get $800 round-trip fares
# [21:35] <@bz> mconnor: jetlag from here to France is not too bad
# [21:35] * philor decides not to file 7000 reftest failures
# [21:35] <mconnor> bz: maybe I'm just not great at it
# [21:35] <jhammel|melting> philor: oh come on!
# [21:35] <@bz> mconnor: esp. in that direction: I'd just take a red-eye and be fine
# [21:35] <mconnor> bz: you must be much better than I at sleeping on planes
# [21:35] * lurking_work thinks philor is going to need a bigger rug
# [21:36] <@bz> mconnor: sleeping on planes is at the moment more restful than sleeping at home
# [21:36] <bholley> ambien FTW
# [21:36] <WeirdAl> philor just doesn't want to get that much closer to bug 800K
# [21:36] <mconnor> bz: point.
# [21:36] <@bz> mconnor: no one kicking me in the side or crying
# [21:36] <@bz> mconnor: so... ;)
# [21:36] <mconnor> bz: I'm past that phase for now
# [21:36] <mconnor> and I kinda end up with shoulders dug into other people if I can't upgrade
# [21:36] <derf> bz: You must fly different planes than I do.
# [21:37] <mconnor> only way I'm functional on arrival day is if I upgrade to biz class (hooray status) and sleep >5 hours
# [21:37] <@bz> mconnor: yeah, that's fair
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# [21:37] <@bz> mconnor: for purposes of airline seat comfort, I won the size lottery to some extent. ;)
# [21:38] <mconnor> bz: everything is useful eventually :)
# [21:38] <@bz> bholley: in any case, it looks like Peter is back in action on Jan 12
# [21:38] <mconnor> bz: I am 24" across the shoulders, seats are 17.8". as beltzner can attest to, not great on flights over oceans.
# [21:38] <@bz> bholley: er, Dec 12
# [21:38] <bholley> bz: I was going to say...
# [21:39] <@bz> bholley: so at that point we should make a plan
# [21:39] <beltzner> mconnor: \/ \/
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# [21:39] <bholley> bz: I think we should start formulating it sooner
# [21:39] <bholley> bz: I'm sending an email
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# [21:39] <@bz> bholley: oh, I meant for the actual code, not for the travel
# [21:39] <bholley> bz: oh, right
# [21:39] <@bz> bholley: there's a bunch of dom-node-impl level work that we can do as prereqs before the new bindings start happening
# [21:40] <@bz> e.g. aligning our internal class hierarchy to the IDL hierarchy
# [21:40] <bholley> bz: can I start on that stuff?
# [21:40] <bholley> bz: to help get more up to speed?
# [21:40] <@bz> I think so
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# [21:40] <khuey> bz: I'm only taking 2 classes
# [21:40] <@bz> So my basic thinking was that to make unwrapping fast we need a 1-1 mapping from interface prototype objects to concrete C++ classes
# [21:41] <@bz> khuey: "only" depends on the classes
# [21:41] <khuey> the time demands are fairly low outside of exam weeks and whatnot
# [21:41] <khuey> they're not difficult
# [21:41] <khuey> this is the easiest semester I've had since *middle* school
# [21:41] <edmorley> espindola: was the mozconfig change meant to be in the ipc patch?
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> Hah, I wish I could say that
# [21:41] <smaug> argh, since when has bugzilla started to send patches in bugmails
# [21:42] <@bz> bholley: that way, the binding code for that proto object is dead-simple: extract the C++ object, cast to the fixed concrete class, call the method
# [21:42] <@bz> bholley: no QI and whatnot involved
# [21:42] <bholley> bz: how close are we to that?
# [21:42] <edmorley> smaug: since the downtime, where http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.0/revision/7973 was one of the things landed
# [21:43] <smaug> very annoying
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> bz, many-to-one interface -> concrete surely is fine as well
# [21:43] <smvv> wut. bzr | git | hg. that must be a nightmare to maintain.
# [21:43] <khuey> bz: you can't fly airfrance from bos to cdg?
# [21:43] <@bz> khuey: http://student.mit.edu/catalog/m16a.html
# [21:43] <smaug> edmorley: do you know if it is possible to disabled that somehow?
# [21:43] <bholley> khuey: boston so provincial… ;-)
# [21:43] <Ms2ger> smvv, we also use svn and cvs
# [21:43] <@bz> khuey: see 16.001 and 16.002 (note the "require simultaneous registration" bit)
# [21:43] <khuey> bholley: indeed
# [21:44] <khuey> bz: mmm
# [21:44] <smvv> Ms2ger: why is darcs missing the party? :)
# [21:44] <khuey> I've had my share of fun semesters
# [21:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: I didn't say "interface"
# [21:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: I said "prototype object"
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> I'm too lazy to write that out
# [21:44] <@bz> khuey: I can (re: air france)
# [21:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: there's an important distinction
# [21:44] <khuey> bz: but not for under 1.6k?
# [21:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: current quickstubs are per-interface
# [21:44] <edmorley> smaug: I can't see any prefs added in the original landing (http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.0/revision/7898), so don't think so unfortunately. Is currently set to max 1000 lines, maybe could ask to tweak that?
# [21:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: I want to stop doing that
# [21:45] <espindola> edmorley, no, will update
# [21:45] <@bz> khuey: without a Sat night stay, yes
# [21:45] <@bz> khuey: with a Sat night stay, $800
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# [21:45] <khuey> ah
# [21:45] <khuey> right
# [21:45] <khuey> yay airline pricing
# [21:45] <@bz> bholley: make sense?
# [21:45] <@bz> khuey: verily
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> bz, still, I meant nsHTMLSharedElement or whatever it's called
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# [21:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: oh, sure
# [21:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: my requirement is that a given proto object always have the same concrete class
# [21:46] <bholley> bz: can you file and assign me?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Nodelists are the main offender, no?
# [21:46] <@bz> bholley: sure
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Maybe canvas
# [21:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: nodelists are done
# [21:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: there are no other offenders
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [21:46] <@bz> ms2ger: with the current webidl setup
# [21:47] <bholley> bz: (as much info as possible in the bug, if you can)
# [21:47] <@bz> ms2ger: because the proto chain gets flattened, right?
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# [21:47] <Ms2ger> Never tried to understand that part of webidl :)
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# [21:48] <@bz> bholley: the other thing that would be useful here short term....
# [21:48] <@bz> bholley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622301
# [21:48] <@bz> bholley: do you think you can steal that too?
# [21:48] <bholley> bz: sure
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# [21:48] <@bz> excellent
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# [21:49] <sheppy> ehsan: I wrote a quick sketch of an article about bug 641552 but I think it needs more info. Can you look at https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Adding_APIs_to_the_navigator_object when you can spare a sec?
# [21:49] <bholley> bz: I've got a security bug backlog that might take me a little bit first
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# [21:50] <bholley> bz: but hopefully not too long
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# [21:50] <@bz> bholley: ok
# [21:50] <sheppy> khuey: reminds me, any idea when you might be able to look at the doc update for bug 677922 you said you'd try to do? :)
# [21:50] <bholley> bz: so I
# [21:50] <bholley> m
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# [21:50] <bholley> bz: so I'm thinking it might make sense to schedule a 2-week meetup, so that those with schedule constraints are more likely to be able to make at least part of it
# [21:50] <bholley> bz: also, jetlag
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# [21:51] <blizzard> bz: where do I file painting performance bugs?
# [21:51] <bholley> bz: I'm going to propose Jan23-Feb3, so that it borders on FOSDEM as a bonus
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# [21:52] <@bz> bholley: mmm
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> Dumping it right onto my exams, yes? :)
# [21:52] <@bz> bholley: that might be doable for me, actually
# [21:52] <bholley> Ms2ger: 2 weeks of exams?
# [21:52] <@bz> bholley: send mail
# [21:52] <@bz> blizzard: Core:Graphics
# [21:52] <bholley> bz: on it
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# [21:52] <blizzard> bz: ok
# [21:52] <khuey> sheppy: hmm, not sure
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# [21:52] <khuey> I might be bored in class tomorrow
# [21:52] <khuey> actually
# [21:52] <khuey> s/might/will/
# [21:53] <khuey> whether or not that translates to writing docs I'm not sure
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> 16th - 3rd, roughly
# [21:53] <sheppy> khuey: lol
# [21:53] <khuey> sheppy: I'll try
# [21:54] <sheppy> khuey: appreciated :)
# [21:54] <khuey> are we going to drag Ms2ger to the DOM bindings meeting?
# [21:54] <khuey> that would be awesome
# [21:54] * khuey plans to tip off bonjour mozilla
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# [21:55] <Ms2ger> khuey, trying to keep me away, more like ;)
# [21:55] <@mkaply> Anyone know of anything new related to onStateChange for FF9? I'm getting a state change for a progress listener when I append a node. I didn't in FF8
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# [21:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aa1ecf20a348 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 706251 - Add panning performance API r=blassey
# [21:56] <jwir3> reuben: Happens to many people, including myself ;)
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# [22:01] <khuey> bholley: two weeks?
# [22:01] <bholley> khuey: yes. jetlag considerations, and it'll mean that more people can make at least part of it
# [22:01] <bholley> khuey: it's not like we're going to run out of things to do
# [22:02] <khuey> heh
# [22:02] <khuey> by that logic we should just have a never-ending allhands :-P
# [22:02] <bholley> khuey: if it's in Paris I'm doen
# [22:02] <bholley> *down
# [22:02] <khuey> anyways, I'm fine with that, just wanted to make sure that was intentional
# [22:02] <khuey> bholley: heh, fair enough
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# [22:02] <khuey> beats the hell out of san jose
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# [22:02] <jhammel> khuey: ++ :)
# [22:03] <jhammel> but yeah, no san jose
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# [22:03] <@bz> bholley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708061
# [22:03] <@bz> san jose is not too bad
# [22:03] <bholley> bz: thanks!
# [22:03] <@bz> compared to some cities
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# [22:04] <@bz> (it ain't paris, I agree; the food quality for one thing!)
# [22:04] <@bz> bholley: let me know if you have any questions about it?
# [22:04] <khuey> oh yes, we could do much, much worse than san jose
# [22:04] <bsmith> josh: Somebody posted about a hang at shutdown caused by PSM yesterday. Do you mremeber who it was?
# [22:04] <jhammel> bz: i'd hate to be in those cities
# [22:05] <josh> bsmith: maybe ehsan?
# [22:05] <Ms2ger> Well, you could be somewhere in Penny
# [22:05] <khuey> or in orlando
# [22:06] * khuey hates orlando
# [22:06] <bkero> fig
# [22:06] <Ms2ger> bholley, do you want to see the new patch for bug 705355?
# [22:06] <jwir3> khuey, how about the florida keys?
# [22:06] <jwir3> ;)
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# [22:06] <jwir3> of course, except for key west, it seems like everything closes up about 7pm there
# [22:06] <bholley> Ms2ger: I will look at it momentarily
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# [22:06] <khuey> pretty sure if we had an all hands in the keys we'd double the population of some town
# [22:06] <Ms2ger> bholley, other bug ;)
# [22:06] <jwir3> haha
# [22:07] <bholley> Ms2ger: ?
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# [22:07] <khuey> they're a nice place to relax though
# [22:07] * khuey has only been there once, despite living a few hours away for ~ 22 years
# [22:08] <jwir3> huh... I think I would go all the time if I lived where you were
# [22:08] <Ms2ger> bholley, this is the one with the compartment assertion; should I upload the patch with the unwrappedObject?
# [22:08] <jwir3> the stress just melts off when you're in the keys it seems like
# [22:08] <bholley> Ms2ger: naw
# [22:08] <Ms2ger> OK, ta
# [22:08] <khuey> that's because you're in the midwest
# [22:08] <khuey> when you actually live here, things get old
# [22:08] <@bz> jhammel: yes, you would
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# [22:09] <jwir3> khuey, probably true.
# [22:09] <@bz> jhammel: think Mogadishu
# [22:09] <khuey> lol
# [22:09] <khuey> Mozilla Mogadishu sounds ... interesting
# [22:09] <jhammel> bz: that at least sounds more *exciting* than San Jose, although i'm sure there are other drawbacks
# [22:09] <@bz> jhammel: well, yes
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# [22:10] <jhammel> i was thinking more like....Lincoln, Nebraska
# [22:10] <@bz> jhammel: also true
# [22:10] <@bz> jhammel: that's the other end of the spectrum
# [22:10] <jwir3> guh... we should be thinking about Mozilla, Baghdad
# [22:10] <jwir3> or Mozilla, Kabul
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# [22:10] * @bz votes our next all-hands should not be in Pyongyang
# [22:10] <bholley> Ms2ger: oh, you switched to optional_argc after all. How come?
# [22:10] <WeirdAl> Mozilla 90 degrees latitute south ftw
# [22:10] <khuey> air travel to pyongyang might be difficult
# [22:10] <jhammel> jwir3: i want Kuala Lumpur!
# [22:10] <jhammel> dammit
# [22:10] <@bz> weirdal: they don't have the space
# [22:10] <bholley> bz: at least the visas for foreigners would be easier ;-)
# [22:11] <jwir3> jhammel: Kuala Lampur would be pretty sweet
# [22:11] <@bz> bholley: entry or exit?
# [22:11] <Ms2ger> bholley, because I didn't understand ConvertArguments before :)
# [22:11] <WeirdAl> they've got a whole continent ;)
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# [22:11] <reuben> mozilla rio would be quite fun :)
# [22:11] <@bz> WeirdAl: yes, if you're willing to do the whole thing outside
# [22:11] <jhammel> let's think outside the box: Mozilla, Cygnus X1
# [22:11] <khuey> bholley: bill clinton would have to come by before we could leave
# [22:11] <@bz> WeirdAl: also, the network is not great
# [22:11] <jhammel> have we even tested Firefox in high gravity?
# [22:11] <WeirdAl> jhammel: hehehe
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> bholley, that only touches the optional parameters that were passed in
# [22:12] <khuey> jhammel: I think getting exposed to massive amounts of x-rays is bad for the project
# [22:12] <jhammel> khuey: file a bug :P
# [22:12] <bholley> khuey: but good for our security wrappers
# [22:12] <bholley> (yuk yuk)
# [22:12] <khuey> heh
# [22:12] <hub> what's the official standard for curly braces in C++. Are they mandatory?
# [22:13] <Ms2ger> hub, yes
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# [22:13] <jwir3> hub, you mean for single line if statements/loops
# [22:13] <bholley> hub: for one liners, yu mean? Depends where
# [22:13] <hub> I don't see it in the Coding Style
# [22:13] <mayhemer> philor: re pgo: I'll be now away, please write private messages if you want to contact me so I can catch them when I'm back, thanks
# [22:13] <bholley> hub: it's fine to omit them in gecko AFAIK
# [22:13] <hub> bholley: yeah for "one liner".
# [22:13] <jwir3> it probably depends on the module owner
# [22:14] <khuey> you're supposed to brace them
# [22:14] <@bz> it depends on the module
# [22:14] <hub> *sigh*
# [22:14] <bholley> hub: "when in rome"
# [22:14] <reuben> oh, that reminds me, does else go in the same line as the closing bracket? I've seen both styles while hacking around with chrome code
# [22:14] <hub> I pro mandatory braces
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# [22:15] <jimm> anyone know what the estimate is on getting email service back?
# [22:15] <@bz> then you should work on dom/layout code. ;)
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# [22:15] <@bz> (and avoid jseng)
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# [22:15] <khuey> jimm: gmail is working ;-)
# [22:15] <bholley> bz: brackets are mandatory in dom?
# [22:15] <khuey> yes
# [22:15] <hub> bholley: yeah, but that one I feel it worth it. I have seen so many bugs cause by missing braces
# [22:15] <khuey> and in most of gecko
# [22:15] <rs> jhford: are you on build duty? Looks like Mozilla-Aurora is busted on Linux. I checked in Windows installer code and Linux went red.
# [22:15] <jimm> khuey: I might switch to that for bugmail after this
# [22:15] <khuey> another convert!
# [22:15] <jhford> rs: i am
# [22:15] <@bz> bholley: yes
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# [22:15] * philor changes topic to 'incoming email to @mozilla.com addresses still down || mozilla-central: CLOSED || mozilla-inbound: CLOSED || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
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# [22:16] <@bz> wait
# [22:16] <@bz> trees are closed _again_?
# [22:16] * @bz grumps, goes back to reviews
# [22:16] <jhford-buildduty> rs: any idea why it is failing?
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# [22:17] <bholley> Ms2ger: explain more?
# [22:17] <rs> jhford-buildduty: I haven't loaded the log... in a meeting
# [22:17] <@bz> bholley: eliza?
# [22:17] <bholley> bz: eliza?
# [22:17] <catlee> jhford-buildduty: it failed to clone tools
# [22:17] <catlee> abort: error: Temporary failure in name resolution
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# [22:17] <Ms2ger> bholley, so ValueToString(undefined) would return "undefined", not null (iirc)
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# [22:18] <jhford-buildduty> that's one of the reasons why the tree is closed right now
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# [22:18] <tbsaunde> fun
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# [22:18] <blassey> jhford-buildduty: just talked to jmaher about the android xul reftest failures
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# [22:18] <blassey> we think we should hide them until we figure out what's going wrong
# [22:18] <jhford-buildduty> ok
# [22:18] <khuey> tbsaunde: you'll pry NS_ENSURE_* out of my cold dead hands
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# [22:19] <philor> urgh, is this Triage Tuesday? I better close beta and aurora, too
# [22:19] <@bz> + typedef void ***** ConvertibleToBool;
# [22:19] * @bz wonders about that
# [22:19] <tbsaunde> khuey: I don't mind them :)
# [22:19] <cpeterson> hub: the Coding Style page I see says: "Always brace controlled statements, even a single-line consequent of an if else else. This is redundant typically, but it avoids dangling else bugs."
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# [22:19] <Ms2ger> bz, that's all over :)
# [22:19] <sheppy> doublec: Are there any examples anywhere of what a media fragment URI looks like? All I can find are code snippets that assemble them programmatically. :)
# [22:19] <@bz> Ms2ger: hmm?
# [22:19] <khuey> tbsaunde: s/you'll/they'll/ then
# [22:20] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=ConvertibleToBool&;filter=
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# [22:20] <hub> cpeterson: nice. I had missed it.
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# [22:20] <@bz> yes, but why?
# [22:20] <khuey> I'd be curious to know why they went with five *s instead of 4
# [22:21] * Ms2ger isn't into "why"
# [22:21] <@bz> I'd be curious why the opertor doesn't just return bool
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# [22:21] <blassey> jhford-buildduty: also... any idea what this means: python: can't open file 'tools/buildfarm/maintenance/purge_builds.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"?
# [22:22] <jhford-buildduty> blassey: yes
# [22:22] <philor> blassey: look further up
# [22:22] <jhford-buildduty> it means that tools didn't check out because dns failed
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# [22:22] <jhford-buildduty> but we don't fail on cloning tools, so it fails the first time we try to use something from tools
# [22:22] <cpeterson> khuey: This ConvertibleToBool typedef has seven *s: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/ds/InlineMap.h#196
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# [22:22] <bbondy> Callek: Here is the patch, we would like to land tomorrow now: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=579372
# [22:22] <jhford-buildduty> (tools == hg.m.o/build/tools clone)
# [22:22] <blassey> ahh
# [22:22] <derf> sheppy: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/#general-structure ?
# [22:22] <blassey> thanks
# [22:22] * blassey still doesn't see that in the log bug fully trusts jhford
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Bah, TR/
# [22:22] <sheppy> Ah-ha, missed those when I looked through the spec. Thanks.
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# [22:23] <@bz> mmm
# [22:23] <khuey> cpeterson: heh
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# [22:23] <Callek> bbondy: all you want from me is "does it compile" and "seems not to break anything" and "installer can build" right?
# [22:23] <sheppy> That is the ugliest syntax ever. :)
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# [22:23] <@bz> jseng reimplemented nsRefPtr and stuff
# [22:23] <Callek> or do you need any added test-points from me here?
# [22:23] * @bz sighs
# [22:23] <bbondy> Callek: correct, I don't think we have a good way to test anything more than that
# [22:23] <Ms2ger> bz, and mbft
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# [22:23] <Callek> bbondy: note the "seems not to break anything" will not be even close to an exhaustive list
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# [22:23] <bbondy> Callek: agree, but better than nothing.
# [22:24] <Callek> bbondy: I was wondering if you needed me to test that Suite can still install properly, etc. but if you're 99.9% sure that if it still builds [installer] that it will still install fine, I'm inclined to trust you
# [22:24] <derf> sheppy: That sounds like a challenge.
# [22:24] <sheppy> derf: oh god, what have I done?
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# [22:25] <Callek> bbondy: and am I applying that patch to my m-c, or to an elm clone?
# [22:25] <bbondy> Callek: I've only built with FF
# [22:25] <bbondy> so I can only validate that
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# [22:26] <bbondy> Callek: but I do have a build option which I turn on in confvars, and that you have to opt-in via mozconfig though, so I think it will be fine. Which I've tested with it off.
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# [22:26] <Callek> ahh great
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# [22:29] <reuben> hm, https://www.mozilla.org/hacking/reviewers.html has shaver listed under JS super-reviewers
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# [22:30] <ehsan> bsmith: that was me, yes
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# [22:30] <ehsan> bsmith: I tried to get a debug build but was not successful
# [22:30] <bsmith> Do you remember anything at all about it?
# [22:30] <ehsan> bsmith: and I haven't been able to reproduce today :(
# [22:30] <ehsan> yes
# [22:31] <bsmith> you said somewhere in nsNSSSocketInfo or nsNSSIOlayer.cpp?
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# [22:31] <sicking> mounir: pong
# [22:31] <ehsan> bsmith: nsNSSSocketInfo I think
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# [22:31] <ehsan> we would spend all of our time getting and releasing locks
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# [22:31] <ehsan> with the nss thread consuming 100% of CPU
# [22:31] <ehsan> bsmith: and after that, no network connection would work unless firefox was restarted
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# [22:32] <ehsan> bsmith: note that I was on a regular nightly build without frame pointers
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# [22:32] <bsmith> ehsan: probably because socket transport threat was blocked
# [22:32] <ehsan> bsmith: so the nsNSSSocketInfo part should be taken with a grain of salt
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# [22:32] <bsmith> doing that work
# [22:32] <ehsan> maybe
# [22:32] <ehsan> bsmith: it _might_ have had something to do with bugzilla being down
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# [22:32] <ehsan> but I was getting this all the time
# [22:32] <ehsan> to the point that I had to switch to chrome
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# [22:33] <bsmith> well, that quote will be in The Reigster tomorrow
# [22:33] <bsmith> OK. I will investigate it and try to reproduce.
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# [22:34] <ehsan> bsmith: I'm sure that it will be on some news site today :/
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# [22:34] <ehsan> bsmith: let me know if you need more info. sorry I couldn't get a debug build yesterday
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# [22:34] <bsmith> Thanks for pointint it out.
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# [22:36] <@bz> this zombie compartment thing rocks
# [22:36] <@bz> people are filing useful bugs
# [22:36] <Bas|Netbook> What happened to e-mail? :s
# [22:36] <jhk_> jdm: I am stuck at nsCoreUtils::GetDOMNodeFromDOMPoint one of last 3 surkov mentioned. is there any solution to it?
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# [22:36] <jdm> jhk_: looking
# [22:36] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: the same thing as last night?
# [22:37] * @bz is reminded of pinkie and the brain
# [22:37] <Bas|Netbook> bz: I'm on holiday :) I have no idea what there was last night ;)
# [22:37] <Ms2ger> jhk_, no
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# [22:38] <Ms2ger> bholley, how about "PRInt32 lineNo = (optionalArgc >= 3) ? lineNumber : 0;"?
# [22:38] <jdm> jhk_: no, there's nothing you can do there
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# [22:38] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: oh. Zimbra is down
# [22:38] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: oh. basically
# [22:39] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: which means all @mozilla.com mail
# [22:39] <jhk_> okay!
# [22:39] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: some combination of people moving lots of mail messages and hardware issues, iirc
# [22:39] <Bas|Netbook> bz: okay, do we have an ETA? I need to arrange something for a takl I was to give on friday, and I don't have the e-mail except in my mozilla mail :(.
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# [22:40] <@bz> Bas|Netbook: that I don't know about...
# [22:40] * @bz wonders who would
# [22:40] <@dbaron> Bas|Netbook, apparently recovery may take a while
# [22:40] <@dbaron> Bas|Netbook, expect email to be back up without the archived messages sooner than having the email that was there back again
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# [22:40] <Bas|Netbook> dbaron bz: Okay, thanks a lot for your help! Possibly I can find the e-mail through the website of these guys then.
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# [22:41] <bholley> Ms2ger: what about they case where we can get it from the frame?
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# [22:42] <Ms2ger> bholley, get the line number from the frame and the file name from the argument?
# [22:42] <Ms2ger> That seems iffy
# [22:42] <bholley> Ms2ger: hm, true...
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# [22:43] <bholley> Ms2ger: yeah, let's only look at the frame if optional_argc < 2
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# [22:43] <Ms2ger> OK
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# [22:44] <Ms2ger> bholley, and use the ?: ?
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# [22:44] <Ms2ger> That's my last question for today ;)
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# [22:44] <bholley> Ms2ger: I'm a big fan, let me see if it's used in XPC
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> *aKeys = objRet ? OBJECT_TO_JSVAL(objRet) : JSVAL_VOID;
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> (nsXPCComponents_Utils::NondeterministicGetWeakMapKeys)
# [22:45] <bholley> Ms2ger: looks fine
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> OK, thanks
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# [22:45] <@bz> Nondeterministic, eh?
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> bz, "intermittent"
# [22:46] <bholley> bz: also, thanks for the big bug writeup - I'll ponder over it soon and let you know if I have questions :-)
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# [22:46] <mjschranz> sicking: ping
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# [22:47] <philor> bz: push! push now!
# [22:47] <sicking> mjschranz: pong
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# [22:47] <mjschranz> sicking: I was going over your comments on bug 334573 and I had one question. I've used git mv to preserve the file history like you wanted but I wanted to know if I should still be removing the old files. Wasn't sure if that screwed that up or not.
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> Don't use git :)
# [22:48] <sicking> mjschranz: yeah, i don't know how git will behave here
# [22:48] <jhammel> ++
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# [22:48] <sicking> mjschranz: what we want is a patch that does a rename
# [22:49] <sicking> mjschranz: the current patch creates a new file and leaves the old one
# [22:49] <sicking> mjschranz: i don't know how you get git to produce a patch which does the rename
# [22:49] <humph> sicking: I'm explaining it to him here
# [22:49] <humph> it's cool
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# [22:49] <sicking> cool, thanks!
# [22:49] <humph> thanks for the quick review
# [22:50] <reuben> it should Just Work™
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# [22:51] <sicking> reuben: it didn't :)
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# [22:52] <reuben> weird. the only special treatment for renames that I know of is for git format-patch, you pass -M and it'll generate rename lines instead of deleting the entire old file and adding the new one
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# [22:53] <cpeterson> |git mv| doesn't do what you want?
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# [22:53] <mccr8> bz: the long scary name of NondeterministicGetWeakMapKeys was intended to discourage people from using it outside of tests. ;)
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# [22:54] <mccr8> (it is nondeterministic because the results can be affected by when the GC runs)
# [22:54] <@mkaply> So if I have two builds, what's the best way to see the changes that went into those two builds? I looked at about:buildconfig but they info there doesn't match the bug I'm seeing. The bug was introduced right at the change over from central to aurora
# [22:54] <khuey> but non-determinism is fun
# [22:55] <mccr8> khuey: yeah two of the tests started randomly failing on Friday. I'm not sure if it is has gone away since then or if hte tree being closed means we just haven't seen many pushes.
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# [22:55] <mccr8> Though it shouldn't be nondeterministic the way I use it in a test, I should say.
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# [22:56] <khuey> mccr8: yeah, I saw that bug
# [22:57] <khuey> interesting that it started failing a lot a bit after landing
# [22:57] <mccr8> ah yes you CCed me on it. ;)
# [22:57] <khuey> yep
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# [22:57] <mccr8> yeah it is weird. it is a non-shutdown leak test, so who knows what could happen, really.
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# [22:57] <khuey> yeah
# [22:57] <mcsmurf> mkaply: like a diff between those two?
# [22:57] <khuey> in other words, something we've never tested before ever
# [22:58] <jhk_> "hg qdiff" shows the actual diff but "hg export qtip > ~/patch.patch" only put content upto commit message not full diff in patch.patch. any idea?
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# [22:58] <gcp> qdall = diff --rev qparent:qtip
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# [22:58] <mcsmurf> mkaply: then you want http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=322354df233d&tochange=6ec5b28142d1 (for example)
# [22:58] <dholbert> jhk_, I suspect you might not have qrefreshed... ?
# [22:58] <dholbert> jhk_, (does 'hg qstat' show anything? It shouldn't, if all is well)
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# [22:59] <zpao> dholbert: qstat doesn't exist does it?
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# [22:59] <dholbert> oh sorry
# [22:59] <jhk_> no
# [23:00] <dholbert> jhk_, I meant "hg stat"
# [23:00] <@mkaply> mcsmurf: how do I get that number from the build ID. What I have now is 2011-09-27-03-08-45-mozilla-central works and 2011-09-28-03-08-55-mozilla-central and 2011-09-28-04-20-14-mozilla-aurora fail
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# [23:00] <mcsmurf> mkaply: about:buildconfig should display it
# [23:00] <mcsmurf> the /rev/ URL
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# [23:00] <dholbert> (qstat is an alias I have, so I've got it as a command in my memory (but it's not what I meant to recomment))
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# [23:00] <dholbert> (*recommend)
# [23:01] <jhk_> dholbert:shows all the ff-dbg files
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# [23:01] <zpao> dholbert: heh, i've tried to run it a few times myself, i should probably alias it too
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# [23:01] <dholbert> jhk_, what if you examine the actual patch file itself, in .hg/patches ?
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# [23:02] <dholbert> jhk_, (technically you never should have to "hg export qtip", since that will effectively give you a copy of an already-existing file in .hg/patches/
# [23:02] <dholbert> )
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# [23:02] <@bz> mkaply: did you get your question answered?
# [23:02] <@bz> mkaply: you have two changeset ids and you want to see what changes happened between those builds?
# [23:02] <dholbert> jhk_, (you also probably want to put ff-dbg up one level, so it doesn't clutter up your source dir, but that's not important & a separate issue)
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# [23:02] <@mkaply> bz: I think. What confused me was that I thought clicking the link in about:buildconfig showed me the change sets that applied to that build.
# [23:03] <Ms2ger> bz, do you want a sr? on bugzilla for getretvalptr?
# [23:03] <sheppy> robcee: can you remind me what the final name of the "highlighter" tool is?
# [23:03] <@mkaply> But in both cases, there's only one file changed and it has nothing to do with this.
# [23:03] <@bz> mkaply: clicking the link shows the exact changeset the build is built for
# [23:03] * reuben always forgets to qpop before pulling
# [23:03] <@bz> er, from
# [23:03] <reuben> hopefully mq is smart about that
# [23:03] <@bz> mkaply: what are the changeset ids?
# [23:03] <@bz> Ms2ger: sure
# [23:03] <@bz> ms2ger: sr=me
# [23:03] <Ms2ger> Thanks
# [23:03] <@bz> ms2ger: but I can mark too
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# [23:03] <Mossop> reuben: Fairly, it makes the next qpop a little slow but it is pretty safe
# [23:03] <Ms2ger> As you like
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# [23:04] <@mkaply> so the one that works is
# [23:04] <@mkaply> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1f800c226837
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# [23:05] <@bz> and the other?
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# [23:05] <@mkaply> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7f4867717226 for central
# [23:05] <jhk_> dholbert : patch is not there in .hg/patches which shold contains qdiff.
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# [23:06] <@bz> mkaply: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=1f800c226837&tochange=7f4867717226
# [23:06] <zpao> jhk_: dholbert: or just name it obj____ and it will be ignored (or add your own ignores to ~/.hgignore)
# [23:06] <Mossop> That's about 100 changesets: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=1f800c226837&tochange=7f4867717226
# [23:06] <dholbert> jhk_, does "hg qapp" show the patch being applied?
# [23:06] <@bz> mkaply: might have to click some of the "Expand" links
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# [23:06] <@mkaply> so is it better to compare central to central? or central to aurora? Since this bug happened during the change over?
# [23:07] <@mkaply> The aurora change set is http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/91108b393572
# [23:07] <@bz> mkaply: better to compare central to central
# [23:07] <@bz> mkaply: imo
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# [23:07] <@bz> mkaply: at least if you want a nice one-day range
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# [23:07] <jhk_> ya
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# [23:07] <@bz> mkaply: in particular, if the bug appeared on central too, that means the merging on aurora was _not_ the problem
# [23:07] <jhk_> dholbert:^
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# [23:08] <dholbert> jhk_, I'm very confused as to how that would be the case, and yet .hg/patches doesn't contain your applied patch
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# [23:08] <doublec> sheppy: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases has a few
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# [23:08] <jhk_> sorry .hg/patches contains the patch but content is not there.
# [23:08] <doublec> sheppy: also http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/mediafrag/
# [23:08] <sheppy> doublec: cool; and I'm correct in my understanding that we currently only implement #t=<x>
# [23:09] <sheppy> ?
# [23:09] <@mkaply> so that probably means it dropped on central right before the pickup
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# [23:09] <jhk_> cholbert:^
# [23:09] <dholbert> jhk_, oh, ok.
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# [23:09] <doublec> sheppy: yes, #t only, with npt timecodes only (ie. no smpte or wall clock time)
# [23:10] <@bz> mkaply: seems likely
# [23:10] <@bz> ok
# [23:10] <sheppy> doublec: Right. Wait, so we don't do hour:minute:second yet, just seconds?
# [23:10] <dholbert> jhk_, does "hg diff" show anything?
# [23:10] <@bz> gotta run
# [23:10] <jhk_> no
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# [23:10] <jhk_> sorry ya
# [23:10] <dholbert> jhk_, that means you need to qref
# [23:10] <dholbert> jhk_, to get the "hg diff" changes
# [23:11] <dholbert> into the patch
# [23:11] <doublec> sheppy: npt supports hour:minute:second so yes that works
# [23:11] <sheppy> doublec: okay, I thought so. :)
# [23:11] <doublec> sheppy: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/#npt-time
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# [23:11] <sheppy> doublec: when you said no wall clock time I got confused for a sec, that's all.
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# [23:11] <sheppy> The doc is correct as it stands then, good deal.
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# [23:11] <doublec> sheppy: we don't support smpte since we don't support video formats that have a fixed frame rate
# [23:12] <sheppy> doublec: fair enough :)
# [23:12] <nemo> http://fir.sh/projects/jsnes/ "On a modern computer, JSNES should run at full speed on Google Chrome, Safari 4, Opera and IE 9. It is unlikely to run at full speed on Firefox unless you have a really fast computer." sure seems fast to me...
# [23:12] <jhk_> dholbert : hg qref ?
# [23:13] <dholbert> jhk_, short for "hg qrefresh"
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# [23:13] <dholbert> jhk_, that's how you get your local changes incorporated into the patch that you're working on
# [23:14] <jhk_> yup.It worked:D . thanks dholbert
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# [23:15] <dholbert> jhk_, no problem
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# [23:16] <smaug> uh, compiling using clang is noisy
# [23:16] <smaug> is it possible to hide the warnings
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# [23:18] <mbrubeck> smaug: You could fix them :)
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# [23:18] <reuben> smaug, yes, use -Wno-warning-identifier
# [23:18] <reuben> or what mbrubeck said :)
# [23:19] <smaug> mbrubeck: lots of the warning are coming from 3rd party libraries
# [23:19] <smaug> ok, will try -Wno-warning-identifier
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# [23:22] <reuben> warning-identifier is the actual warning identifier, e.g. -Wno-parentheses to stop complaining about ((a == b)) (ipc/chromium has a ton of those)
# [23:22] <blizzard> joe: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708069
# [23:22] <blizzard> joe: that looks gfx-related
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# [23:22] <blizzard> joe: I maded a small test case!
# [23:23] <IanN> I've started getting a seg fault and when I try to debug it it says it is happening in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2/libxul.so - what could be making it want to using that libxul.so rather than the one I built or is DDD getting confused?
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# [23:24] <Ms2ger> mkaply, nice bug number
# [23:24] <@mkaply> Ms2ger: that is very nice
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# [23:25] <nemo> I e-mailed him http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt WRT commens on his JSNES page
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# [23:30] <johnath> mayhemer: ping
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# [23:30] <johnath> mayhemer: bsmith is looking for you, if you're still awake
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# [23:31] <mayhemer> johnath: just pong'ed him, thanks
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# [23:32] <nemo> ahal: heh. http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/speedtests/results.html#/PeaceKeeper/10.250.4.115/2011-11-01/2011-12-06 - no firefox tests? :)
# [23:33] <bsmith> johnath: I am chatting with him.
# [23:33] <ahal> nemo: odd.. fwiw I didn't actually make that site
# [23:33] <jhammel> ahal: you touch it, you own it :P
# [23:34] <lurking_work> nemo: I always thought the folks behind Peacekeeper was Chrome Biased and skewed the tests in Chrome's favor
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# [23:34] <ahal> nemo: I think terrence just added peacekeeper recently
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# [23:34] <ahal> jhammel: shh
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# [23:36] <ahal> but yeah, opera is the only one that isn't crashing or freezing up
# [23:36] <terrence> ahal: attempted to add peacekeeper :-)
# [23:36] <nemo> lurking_work: I don't think chrome bias, from what bz said, it was tests that just happened to work out that way
# [23:36] <terrence> ahal: it didn't appear to go so well
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# [23:36] <nemo> lurking_work: due to test design, or just, say, when end of an array they were slicing
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# [23:37] <ahal> terrence: sunspider and kraken work at least :)
# [23:37] <nemo> but still. was curious about it.
# [23:37] <lurking_work> ok
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# [23:37] <nemo> Ms2ger: lol
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# [23:37] <nemo> Ms2ger: benefit of the doubt? :)
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# [23:37] <Ms2ger> In performance testing? Don't think so ;)
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# [23:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dfb168a4c4f9 - Christian Legnitto - Backout 223d4f4bd252 (bug 463491) due to a regression (bug 679961). a=LegNeato
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# [23:51] <Mossop> Are data URIs broken currently?
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# [23:52] <Mossop> Following these instructions just shows me blank images on nightly https://twitter.com/#!/ManyBeardsOfMoz/status/144094544185671681
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# [23:54] <Mossop> Maybe that is just broken
# [23:54] <sworkman> Mossop: are you talking about mobile? jduell opened a bug for data: not being supported on e10s/fennec 707624
# [23:54] <Mossop> Nope
# [23:54] <hub> what is e10s?
# [23:55] <KWierso> I'm seeing what mossop's seeing on the current desktop Nightly
# [23:55] <sworkman> oh ok - then I don't know :)
# [23:55] <reuben> hub, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis/Firefox
# [23:55] <hub> ok., thx
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# [23:56] <Mossop> I get it on aurora too so maybe that is just broken on the site
# [23:56] <Mook_as> Mossop: probably the site; I get nothing on _release_ either
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# [23:58] <lurking_work> I see images on 8.0 XP SP1
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