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# Session Start: Wed Dec 07 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <Mossop> Nothing in 8.0 Win7
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# [00:00] <Mossop> I would be surprised to hear it was an OS thing
# [00:01] <reuben> I'm seeing… nothing
# [00:01] <reuben> on OS X, nothing happens
# [00:01] <ehsan> gavin: ping
# [00:02] <lurking_work> Mossop: I'm guess you don't see the bearded guy on both left and right borders of the page ?
# [00:02] <Mossop> nope
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# [00:02] <gavin> ehsan: pong
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# [00:03] <ehsan> gavin: do you think you're going to have enough time to review https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=579470&action=edit?
# [00:03] <ehsan> it's a memshrink p1
# [00:03] <ehsan> lol
# [00:03] <ehsan> dao just posted a patch as well!
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# [00:05] <ehsan> gavin: scratch that, can you review dao's patch there? it's better than mine!
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# [00:05] <sstangl> I have a guy messaging me about a bug in the Chatzilla add-on; he found one and wants to report it. Do we have any place for feedback to be passed to addon developers?
# [00:06] <edmorley> bz: before I land the patch in bug 643167 I'd like to make sure it doesn't break configure in your local standalone js builds (a la bug 605133 comment 22) if that's ok? (not urgent)
# [00:06] <reuben> Mossop, I guess the URI is broken? it's blank on safari, chrome…
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# [00:06] <smaug> chatzilla has a bugzilla component
# [00:06] <smaug> sstangl: ^
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# [00:14] <mbrubeck> whee, burning on inbound
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# [00:16] <mconnor> mbrubeck: the system sorta works :)
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# [00:18] <philor> mbrubeck: hang on
# [00:19] <philor> mbrubeck: in theory, the next push fixes it
# [00:19] <mbrubeck> did bhacket fix it?
# [00:19] <mbrubeck> ok
# [00:19] <philor> yeah, that's why you were having to rebase across him
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# [00:20] <philor> if you'd gotten that far, anyway, you would have
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# [00:21] * njn assumes from his lack of bugmail that Zimbra is still down
# [00:22] <mbrubeck> you bet it is.
# [00:22] <edmorley> mconnor: if you mean in the sense that people don't use try and just land on inbound anyway, then yes :-)
# [00:23] <edmorley> mbrubeck, philor: I'm going to merge m-c to inbound, unless you think otherwise?
# [00:24] <philor> mconnor: if you mean in the sense that the inbound rules have de facto become applied to every other tree without a de jure change, then yes :)
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# [00:24] <mbrubeck> edmorley: Win pgo is still red... did philor ever find out anything about that?
# [00:24] <mbrubeck> looks like PGO triggers are still building
# [00:24] <edmorley> mbrubeck: I'm not sure; I was just going to merge into inbound for now
# [00:24] <mbrubeck> oh, sure
# [00:24] <mbrubeck> sounds fine
# [00:25] <philor> ETA ~138mins
# [00:25] <philor> ETA ~173mins
# [00:25] <Callek> bbondy: remind me, apply that patch against elm or trunk?
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# [00:25] <philor> I'm hoping the last merge from m-c has had a Win PGO build over there, and is out of the picture
# [00:26] <philor> and it has
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# [00:31] * edmorley hopes no one pushes to inbound whilst mercurial takes it's time with the 500 changesets :-/
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# [00:34] <mak> wow, large merge eh
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# [00:35] <mconnor> philor: to every other tree that isn't m-c?
# [00:36] <mconnor> edmorley: still better than "people don't use try and land on m-c" ;)
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# [00:36] * heycam sees the "setting r? CCs that person to the bug" behaviour, likes it
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# [00:36] <@dbaron> heycam, it does?
# [00:37] <heycam> it does since the upgrade
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# [00:38] <mconnor> that is damned useful
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# [00:38] <@dbaron> I wonder what headers they have set... and thus which bugmail folder they end up in
# [00:39] <heycam> dbaron, I think it just does a regular CC on the bug, nothing special
# [00:39] <heycam> dbaron, (though I haven't checked the headers to be sure)
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# [00:40] <@dbaron> oh, it actually just adds the reviewer to cc:
# [00:40] <philor> mconnor: to every tree including m-c
# [00:40] <@dbaron> ?
# [00:40] <philor> and m-a
# [00:40] <philor> and m-b
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# [00:59] <mconnor> philor: that's... not okay
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# [01:00] <mconnor> philor: if you have names, please feel free to forward examples, and I will ensure re-education
# [01:00] <mconnor> philor: (via some non-public channel, of course)
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# [01:05] <philor> mconnor: all@mozilla.com, all@gmail.com, whatever the all_commiters alias is
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# [01:07] <mconnor> philor: that is... not expected, or in line with other feedback I've heard. if you have specific instances, please let me know so I can follow up
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# [01:09] <philor> mconnor: aurora has been unstarred since 8am; beta has been unstarred since 3:30am, the last three pushes on central were on orange, I'm not saying that one or two or ten or thirty people land on unstarred orange and don't star their orange
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# [01:10] <philor> everyone. all@.
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# [01:14] <reuben> dbaron, yes
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# [01:58] <philor> go go gadget coalescing
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# [02:05] <edmorley> !seen dmandelin
# [02:05] <firebot> dmandelin was last seen 5 hours, 11 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying 'jorendorff: thanks' in #jsapi.
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# [02:08] <dholbert> edmorley, I presume you already pinged him in #jsapi?
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# [02:08] <edmorley> dholbert: yup ; though the first log i've looked at seems infra-ish, maybe the other's aren't
# [02:09] <dholbert> hmm yeah, issue during hg clone
# [02:09] <dholbert> jhford / jhford-work, ping?
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# [02:10] <dholbert> looks like all of the m-i red is from failure during "hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools "
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# [02:11] <nthomas> network issues in the SCL1 data center, just for a change
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# [02:11] <dholbert> nthomas, ok, makes sense
# [02:11] <dholbert> jhford / jhford-work: unping
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# [02:11] <dholbert> retriggered, hopefully it'll be fine this time
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# [02:23] <Callek> bbondy: ping?
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# [02:25] <bbondy> Callek: hi
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# [02:25] <Callek> bbondy: which m-* do I want, elm or m-c?
# [02:25] <Callek> bbondy: before I apply that patch
# [02:25] <bbondy> m-c
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# [02:26] <bbondy> Callek ^
# [02:27] <Callek> thanks :-)
# [02:27] <Callek> updating my tree right now :-)
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# [02:28] <mounir> edmorley: ping
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# [02:28] <edmorley> mounir: pong
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# [02:29] <philor> evilpie passes the Win PGO test, now it's just khuey and Wellington and mayhemer left in the box
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# [02:29] <mounir> edmorley: you should talk to jlebar about nsIScreen_MOZILLA_2_0_BRANCH
# [02:29] <mounir> jlebar: ^
# [02:29] <jlebar> edmorley: hey
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# [02:30] <edmorley> jlebar: I just wondered whether https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da074baa9f05 meant that the existing nsIScreen_MOZILLA_2_0_BRANCH brightness level stuff could be rewritten to use the new backend? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=nsIScreen_MOZILLA_2_0_BRANCH
# [02:30] <philor> though judging by the pending tests, it's actually just mayhemer and mayhemer
# [02:30] <jlebar> edmorley: I'd like that very much!
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# [02:30] <jlebar> edmorley: can you file a bug?
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# [02:31] <mrbkap> philor: should I wait to check into m-i?
# [02:31] <edmorley> jlebar: sure
# [02:31] <mrbkap> philor: or is the tree in a known-decent state?
# [02:32] <philor> mrbkap: nope, it's probably as good as it gets, go ahead
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# [02:33] <philor> we just need to figure out what to back out from 15 hours ago to fix burning, that's just a flesh wound
# [02:33] <philor> edmorley: got an opinion? and a tree to turn an opinion into action?
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# [02:34] <edmorley> philor: have a clean tree, looking at pgo results now
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# [02:36] <mounir> edmorley: can you write a patch? :)
# [02:36] <mounir> edmorley: just put [mentor=jlebar] in the whiteboard
# [02:36] <mounir> :)
# [02:37] <jlebar> I'm happy to be a mentor for that, but it's qt-only, right?
# [02:37] <philor> we could back them both out, trigger pgo on the backout, reland one, trigger pgo on that, but that's letting ourselves in for hours of waiting
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# [02:37] <edmorley> philor: backout both and get him to send to try with PGO=1
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# [02:37] <edmorley> maybe?
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# [02:37] <philor> sure
# [02:38] <edmorley> mounir: I can have a shot :-)
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# [02:38] <edmorley> I'll file the bug and if someone doesn't take it, I'll have a look once I've cleared a few other things out first
# [02:39] <mrbkap> philor: hey, what's the way to not trigger builds for a changeset?
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# [02:39] <jbuck> quick question about try-server builds, I'm getting a failing build for Android opt due to failure to get mozconfig. Is that a failure I can ignore? builds are at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2b9b32464d81
# [02:39] <edmorley> jlebar: it's xul android & qt, currently only used for making sure the screen doesn't go off whilst watching a video iirc
# [02:40] <edmorley> mrbkap: DONTBUILD
# [02:40] <jlebar> hm
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# [02:41] <deLta30> bsmith: hi, I want to talk to you about bug 697781
# [02:41] <ehsan> anybody else getting crashes on mac when right clicking stuff?
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# [02:42] <hub> deLta30: on nightly?
# [02:42] <hub> deLta30: sorry. wrong person
# [02:42] <hub> ehsan: on Nightly?
# [02:42] <ehsan> hub: yes
# [02:42] <hub> it works here
# [02:42] <hub> and I have a11y enabled on top of that
# [02:42] <ehsan> hub: it only happens some of the times
# [02:43] <bsmith> delta30: what's up?
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# [02:44] <deLta30> bsmith: inorder to call SSL_GetChannelInfofrom HandshackCallback, I have to use class sslSocket
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# [02:45] <deLta30> which lies in sslimpl.h
# [02:45] <hub> ehsan: also I'm running SL, not Lion
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# [02:45] <ehsan> hub: me too
# [02:45] <bsmith> deLta30: SECStatus SSL_GetChannelInfo(PRFileDesc *fd, SSLChannelInfo *info, PRUintn len);
# [02:46] <bsmith> not sslSocket * ss
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# [02:46] <Callek> bbondy: ooo a v13?
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# [02:47] <bbondy> Callek: either is fine
# [02:47] <deLta30> bsmith: it is necessary to get other informations like encryptBits,,signer which I get from here, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/nss/lib/ssl/sslauth.c#89
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# [02:51] <bsmith> deLta30: for encryptBits:
# [02:51] <bsmith> rv = SSL_GetChannelInfo(fd, &info, sizeof info);
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# [02:52] <bsmith> check rv
# [02:52] <bsmith> rv = SSL_GetCipherSuiteInfo(info.cipherSuite, &cipherSuiteInfo, sizeof cipherSuiteInfo);
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# [02:52] <bsmith> check rv
# [02:53] <bsmith> encryptBits = cipherSuiteInfo.symKeyBits;
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# [02:56] <jgilbert> Callek: not as long as windows builds :<
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# [02:56] <Callek> jgilbert: well I mean I'm doing the build/-j10 on my wondows 7 system
# [02:56] <Callek> but I still have two VM's running, both cent6
# [02:56] <Callek> :-)
# [02:56] <bsmith> signer = CERT_NameToAscii(&peerCert->issuer);
# [02:57] <bsmith> deLta30: ^
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# [02:57] <deLta30> bsmith: ok, and keyLength?
# [02:57] <deLta30> bsmith: no, I got it
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# [03:01] <Callek> p.s. WOW my laptop is running hot now
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# [03:02] <bsmith> deLta30: keyLength is probably cipherSuiteInfo.effectiveKeyBits
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# [03:02] <deLta30> keylength = PR_MIN(channelInfo.authKeyBits, channelInfo.keaKeyBits);
# [03:03] <deLta30> you had told me last time
# [03:03] <edmorley> bbondy: there's a trailing R on one of the MOZ_MAINTENANCE_SERVICE in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=579554 :-)
# [03:03] <bsmith> deLta30: probably (cipherSuiteInfo.effectiveKeyBits + 7) / 8
# [03:03] <bsmith> Oh, yes
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# [03:03] <bsmith> I mean, encryptBits = cipherSuiteInfo.effectiveKeyBits;
# [03:03] <bbondy> edmorly thanks good catch
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# [03:04] <bsmith> keyLength = PR_MIN(channelInfo.authKeyBits, channelInfo.keaKeyBits), it seems
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# [03:04] <deLta30> bsmith: one more, sslStatus
# [03:04] <mccr8> ehsan: sounds like bug 699457. or at least, same symptom.
# [03:05] <mccr8> ehsan: I'm getting that too. when I right click on a tab at the top, in a tab with Pandora running.
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# [03:05] <bbondy> edmorley: so do you know if things defined confvars.sh will win even if --enable option is not used?
# [03:05] <bbondy> I think it will, but want to make sure since I tested only with that trailing R
# [03:06] <bsmith> deLta30: I believe it is encryptBits == 0 ? SSL_SECURITY_STATUS_OFF : encryptBits < 90 ? SSL_SECURITY_STATUS_ON_LOW : SSL_SECURITY_STATUS_ON_HIGH;
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# [03:07] <deLta30> bsmith: what is the difference between keybits and encryptBits?
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# [03:08] <bsmith> deLta30: where are you seeing "keybits"
# [03:08] <bsmith> You mean, keyLength?
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# [03:09] <deLta30> bsmith: in the defenition of SSL_SecurityStatus
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# [03:09] <edmorley> bbondy: I'm not sure, sorry
# [03:09] <deLta30> bsmith: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/nss/lib/ssl/sslauth.c#144
# [03:11] <edmorley> bbondy: actually I believe it will be fine, since MOZ_SAFE_BROWSING does the same "enabled in confvars, but uses --enable-foo rather than --disable" http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=MOZ_SAFE_BROWSING
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# [03:12] <bbondy> edmorley ok cool thanks
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# [03:17] <deLta30> bsmith: ^
# [03:19] <edmorley> philor: I think I'm going to just backout the top mayhemer cset, trigger pgo and deal with when I get up, since the other is just a backout (and having commit messages like "backout the backout of the backout" is going to do my head in, if it turns out it wasn't that one)
# [03:19] <bsmith> deLta30: I guess keyLength = cipherSuiteInfo.symKeyBits;
# [03:19] <bsmith> deLta30: and encryptBits = cipherSuiteInfo.effectiveKeyBits;
# [03:20] <philor> edmorley: okay, I was leaning that way too, even though I felt bad about leaning that way
# [03:20] <deLta30> bsmith: what would be the difference between them?
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# [03:21] <philor> I'm only an hour away from a tree, if the PGO trigger goes red in the next six hours or so I can back out the other one
# [03:21] <bsmith> deLta30: normally they are equal
# [03:22] <bsmith> deLta30: but, in the old days, there were "export cipher suites," where some part of the key was known to the US government
# [03:22] <bsmith> so effectiveKeyBits is the number of bits that were not known to the government
# [03:22] <bsmith> and symKeyBits - effectiveKeyBits == the number of bits known by the government
# [03:22] <bsmith> symKeyBits = total number of bits in the key
# [03:23] <deLta30> bsmith: ok
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# [03:23] <bsmith> e.g. Let's saw we have a policy that all passwords are 10 characters long, but since you are from India, I am going to make you use a password where I choose 5 characters to be "Brian"
# [03:23] <bsmith> So, you only have 5 characters to choose from
# [03:24] <bsmith> that makes it easier for me (the US government) to spy on you
# [03:24] <philor> rs: thanks for all the manual starring, you're a hero :)
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# [03:25] <bsmith> your password length (symKeyBits) is still 10 characters, but really you only have the security of a five-character password (effectiveKeyBits)
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# [03:26] <deLta30> bsmith: so, to decide sslStatus, I would use effectiveKeyBits which is equivalent to secretKeyBits
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# [03:27] <bsmith> Yes, use effectiveKeyBits
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# [03:29] <deLta30> but the example you gave was alarming ;) :)
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# [03:31] <philor> alas, poor tbpl
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# [03:31] <philor> is anyone in Arizona, where you could see a big cloud of smoke rising over phx?
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# [03:32] <edmorley> well it's backed out but I can't mark the bug now
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# [03:34] <dholbert> erm, did bugzilla just drop off the net again?
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# [03:34] <philor> yup
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# [03:34] <edmorley> philor: i've triggered a PGO run on 242ee41d7e5f
# [03:34] <nthomas> firewall restart
# [03:34] <nthomas> ... in phoenix
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# [03:34] <jgilbert_> mmm, natsplat
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# [03:35] <philor> stay out of that sand, I tell people; you'll get stuck in there, I tell people, but do they listen?
# [03:35] <dholbert> nthomas, so presumably it should be back up within a minute or two?
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# [03:45] <Ventron> roc: re: borders. are there any cases where cairo would be faster than a shader? ive thought up an approach but it works best under the assumption that we want to do shading in all cases
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# [03:45] <heycam> which tinderbox platforms don't build with the crash reporter?
# [03:45] <roc> I'm sure there are such cases
# [03:45] <roc> but we can maintain two code paths
# [03:46] <Ventron> ok
# [03:46] <roc> if necessary
# [03:46] <roc> needs benchmarking
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# [03:47] <nthomas> heycam: what are you trying to figure out ?
# [03:47] <roc> non-dashed/dotted sides (away from the corners) can always be rendered by filling rectangles
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# [03:47] <heycam> nthomas, so it seems like it's disabled on osx 10.6 32 and 64 bit, and I wanted to confirm that
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# [03:47] <heycam> nthomas, because it doesn't seem to be disabled on the 10.7 builders, and that might be what's keeping some of the test runs orange
# [03:48] <Callek> bbondy: base compiler was fine, running the installer compile now, and will test the build "later" this evening
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# [03:48] <roc> so the worst case for shading is likely to be really large corners, where cairo can just compute a path and then fill the path reasonably efficiently
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# [03:48] <nthomas> heycam: I think we build with it on everything we ship, but you seem to be talking about envvars when we run tests ?
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# [03:48] <roc> e.g. when someone uses border-radius to draw big circles
# [03:48] <heycam> nthomas, ah yep
# [03:48] <heycam> nthomas, I think that's what I mean
# [03:48] <bbondy> Callek: thanks so much
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# [03:49] <roc> Ventron: by the way, I should clarify that doing gradual color changes along a rounded border where the sides have different colors is OK
# [03:49] <heycam> nthomas, MOZ_CRASHREPORTER being set or not seems to be what I want to know -- should be a config somewhere in hg I can look at but whose location I can't remember?
# [03:49] <roc> not necessary, though
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# [03:49] <nthomas> heycam: I hope the test automation is setting that everywhere
# [03:50] <heycam> nthomas, hmm. so specifically, test_crash_submit.xul doesn't run on 10.6 32/64 bit, and that test is inside an `ifdef MOZ_CRASHREPORTER` in the makefile
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# [03:52] <philor> omg, tbplbot's back
# [03:52] <philor> at last my digits are whole again
# [03:53] <Ventron> roc: is a sudden change of colour more preferable?
# [03:53] <nthomas> heycam: something wrong in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#6076 ?
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# [03:53] <roc> I think the gradual change would be nicer but content could depend on the sudden change
# [03:54] <roc> do whatever's easiest, which is probably the sudden change
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# [03:55] <heycam> nthomas, I'm not an expert in autoconf; does the following MOZ_ARG_DISABLE_BOOL just overwrite the variable?
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# [03:58] <nthomas> well, rather than go down that rat hole, I just looked at the latest mac opt build to come off m-c, and it has |#define MOZ_CRASHREPORTER 1| after the configures for both parts of the universal binary
# [03:59] <heycam> nthomas, hum. how about the mochitest-2 test run?
# [04:00] <heycam> nthomas, or will it inherit that from the actual build?
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# [04:00] <nthomas> not from the build
# [04:00] <nthomas> but there's this in the test automation - http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/automation.py.in#598
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# [04:02] <nthomas> no matches for MOZ_CRASH in any of the mochitest-2 logs
# [04:03] <rs> philor|away: not a problem and if I'm a hero then you're a superhero :)
# [04:03] <heycam> nthomas, neither in a linux m-2 log, but the test does run there
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# [04:05] <Mossop> You can do a search to find all bugs that would have mailed you right?
# [04:05] <nthomas> heycam: I don't see it running anywhere on of the three mac test OS, just getting extracted from the tests zip
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# [04:06] <heycam> nthomas, right. I'm wondering if that (however it ends up getting disabled) is a deliberate decision. :)
# [04:06] <nthomas> heycam: have a look at mochitest-other, it's running on all three there
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# [04:07] <rs> Mossop: not sure about who you are asking about the search of mailed you bugs but there is this http://harthur.github.com/bzhome/
# [04:07] <nthomas> heycam: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1394783
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# [04:08] <heycam> nthomas, oh! was I just looking on the wrong mochitest then.
# [04:08] <nthomas> aye
# [04:09] <heycam> nthomas, oh stupid me, I was searching through the m-2 logs for test_crash and that got me test_crash.*html* not xul
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# [04:09] <heycam> (test_crashing.html that is)
# [04:09] <nthomas> which one do you actually care about ?
# [04:10] <heycam> nthomas, I was focusing on why m-2 was failing on lion, so test_crashing.html is in fact what I should be looking at
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# [04:11] <heycam> nthomas, and that test is not inside an ifdef in the makefile, so MOZ_CRASHREPORTER isn't relevant
# [04:12] <nthomas> ah
# [04:12] <heycam> nthomas, so thanks, sorry for the diversion :)
# [04:12] <nthomas> np
# [04:12] <nthomas> the twisty passages are extra twisty right now
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# [04:13] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/86e70adaf190 - John Daggett - Bug 693143. Crashtest for the small bitmap case. r=roc
# [04:13] <firewolfbot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/365d0a50014a - John Daggett - Bug 693143. Fix top crasher related to small font sizes and bitmap fonts. r=roc
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# [04:43] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cb7297c7297c - Oleg Romashin - Bug 706935 - file upload on Meego Harmattan don't working. r=dougt
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# [04:59] <Mavericks> if someone's read http://www.cix.co.uk/~smallmemory/ or know of it, will be happy to know your thoughts
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# [05:29] <philor> bent: Is this test really valuable enough to be worth the havoc it causes?
# [05:29] <bent> who?
# [05:29] <bent> what?
# [05:29] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7783021&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [05:30] <bent> havoc? you just mean it basically has to time out?
# [05:30] <philor> no, it does not time out
# [05:30] <Callek> "crashes the system"?
# [05:30] <philor> it hits the 50MB limit for logs
# [05:31] <philor> no, it hits the 50MB limit for logs
# [05:31] <philor> then I download a 50MB log
# [05:31] <philor> over a 3G connection
# [05:31] <philor> capped
# [05:31] <philor> and ungzip it in a browser I was actually using, until I started ungzipping it
# [05:32] <philor> at which point I no longer use that browser
# [05:32] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1874bf743de - Brad Lassey - bug 708171 - XUL fennec hangs on start up r=mbrubeck
# [05:32] <bent> so let's scale that down from "havoc" to "annoyance", you scared me ;)
# [05:32] <bent> it's lame
# [05:32] <bent> but it's an important test
# [05:32] <philor> would it be annoying if I stopped starring the trees?
# [05:33] <philor> "capped"
# [05:33] <Callek> bent: well when it reaches that log limit it ruins every other result after it
# [05:33] <Callek> bent: and thus we don't know if anything else failed
# [05:33] <bent> yeah, that's bad
# [05:33] <bent> so, maybe "havoc" is closer
# [05:34] <bent> disabling the test is not a good solution
# [05:34] <philor> it causes less havoc that 704010, so it's the second worst test we have
# [05:34] <philor> disabling is the single lever I can pull
# [05:34] <bent> fixing it is, as is maybe adding a timeout
# [05:34] <bent> fixing might be hard
# [05:34] <bent> so let's add a timeout?
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# [05:37] <philor> the other thing you can do (if you can do it) is to not continually output meaningless success while looping
# [05:37] <philor> so the 330 second timeout will clobber you, but you won't have destroyed the log
# [05:37] <njn> does mozilla code have a standard gettimeofday-type timing thing?
# [05:37] <njn> I want to do some ad hoc timing measurements
# [05:38] <Mossop> PR_Time() or Date.now() depending on the context
# [05:38] <Mossop> (the two aren't perfectly comparable IIRC)
# [05:38] <Mossop> Err PR_Now() I mean
# [05:39] <njn> Mossop: thanks
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# [05:46] <@bz> njn: we have several things
# [05:46] <@bz> njn: PR_Now() gives you wall-clock time
# [05:47] <@bz> njn: which can have all sorts of problems, of course
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# [05:47] <@bz> njn: mozilla::TimeStamp gives you a monotonic timing source, but is low-res on Windows for the moment
# [05:47] <@bz> njn: (low-res == 16ms resolution or something)
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# [05:53] <@bz> aha
# [05:53] <@bz> inbound has made the mistake of being open
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# [05:54] <Mossop> It'll regret that
# [05:54] <@bz> could be
# [05:54] <@bz> I pushed some patches just now that went red before
# [05:54] <@bz> they're claimed to be fixed, but....
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# [05:58] <philor> which ones will I want to back out first?
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# [06:00] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e444aab956a1 - Brad Lassey - bug 708171 - XUL fennec hangs on start up, follow up to fix missed review comment r=mbrubeck
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# [06:00] <@bz> philor: good question
# [06:00] <@bz> philor: depends on what gets busted!
# [06:00] <@bz> philor: if it's strings, the string ctor
# [06:00] <@bz> philor: if it's telemetry, then nfroyd
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# [06:01] <@bz> philor: if it's just random test orange, then perhaps me
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# [06:01] <philor> ah, choices, choices
# [06:01] <philor> we're still seriously backlogged, maybe I'll be asleep first! :)
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# [06:14] <@bz> philor: good plan
# [06:14] <roc> bz: hi-res TimeStamp for Windows just landed, didn't it?
# [06:16] <@bz> roc: oh, did it?
# [06:16] * @bz is behind the timestamps!
# [06:17] * @bz is also despairing of ever figuring this leak out
# [06:17] <KWierso> you should feel bad for that pun
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# [06:17] <@bz> KWierso: humbug; it was a great pun!
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# [06:18] <Unfocused> at least it was a timely pun
# [06:20] <@bz> roc: I wonder how much the a11y folks would hate me if I just disabled their test...
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# [06:28] <philor> oh, whew, Enrico Weigelt came through with the explanation for why we're losing market share, it's because we don't use autoconf 2.5!
# [06:28] <philor> glad that's cleared up
# [06:30] <roc> just don't bother
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# [06:31] <philor> trolls who can keep it up year after year amuse me, dunno why
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# [06:32] <roc> I think there's a valid argument that we don't listen to individual user complaints enough, but I think one of the main reasons is that a lot of us are embittered after years of exposure to crazy people
# [06:33] <@bz> philor: nice
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# [06:34] <@bz> or was this in a bug?
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# [06:34] <KWierso> bz: 104642
# [06:34] <@bz> ah
# [06:34] * @bz is only cced on a small fraction of bugs
# [06:34] <@bz> something like 5%
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# [06:49] <jcranmer> "Just curios: why not just delegating all the mailbox handling to an tiny local
# [06:49] <jcranmer> imap server, which is just started by mozilla automatically ?
# [06:49] <jcranmer> That would move a lot of problems out of the way (including the
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# [06:49] <jcranmer> single-process/-core bottleneck)."
# [06:49] <jcranmer> that's his solution to TB's mailbox handling issues
# [06:50] <firewolfbot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/658fad825c36 - Brad Lassey - bug 705572 - Kindle Fire: YouTube videos do not open in unavailable YouTube App r=dougt,mfinkle
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# [07:02] <benfrancis> Hey, I'm working on B2G and I've been told to ask for some extra privileges on Bugzilla to allow me to do things like set "blocking" relationships. How do I go about getting that access?
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# [07:03] <KWierso> benfrancis: you want the "editbugs" permissions as described here: http://www.gerv.net/hacking/before-you-mail-gerv.html
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# [07:04] <KWierso> though with mozilla's mailserver being down, might be easier to just talk to gerv about it here on IRC
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# [07:05] <auscompgeek> what
# [07:05] <auscompgeek> we're still having network issues
# [07:05] <KWierso> auscompgeek: if I understand it correctly, the zimbra troubles are completely separate from the phoenix datacenter problems
# [07:06] <KWierso> which were/are fixed
# [07:06] <auscompgeek> ah.
# [07:06] <jamesr> bz: i've replied to your rAF feedback on public-web-perf and will be around here for a little bit if you want to chat more
# [07:06] <benfrancis> KWierso: That's a lot of hoops to jump through, is there a shortcut for Mozilla Corp employees/contractors?
# [07:06] <jcranmer> auscompgeek: we're a major tech company; it says somewhere in the regulations that we're required to have constant technical problems
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# [07:06] <glob> benfrancis, are you an employee/contractor?
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# [07:06] <glob> ah, you are
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# [07:07] <benfrancis> glob: Yep, search for Ben Francis in phonebook (if it's working)
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# [07:07] <glob> benfrancis, you need to put your bmo address on your phonebook entry
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# [07:08] <glob> benfrancis, once you've done that, i can bless your bmo account to be an employee's account, which will give you want you want
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# [07:08] <glob> benfrancis, in the 'bugzilla email' field
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# [07:13] <benfrancis> glob: OK, will try, it's moving very slowly
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# [07:19] <glob> benfrancis, no worries, ping me when you've updated it
# [07:20] <benfrancis> glob: It looks I don't have a phonebook entry any more. My bugzilla email is ben@krellian.com, would you be happy to ping my manager (gal) to confirm?
# [07:20] <glob> benfrancis, hrm, i'm looking at your phonebook entry right now
# [07:21] <benfrancis> glob: You are? Can you /msg me a URL
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# [07:21] <@bz> man
# [07:21] <benfrancis> glob: Oh wait, I think I can see it now
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# [07:22] <glob> benfrancis, looks good now, bmo account blessed
# [07:22] <benfrancis> glob: Great, thanks :)
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# [07:29] <nattokirai> bz: ? what stuff?
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# [07:30] <KWierso> philor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUQX2B67KL4 ?
# [07:31] <philor> similar, but with more tripping over things and falling down
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# [07:33] <philor> only 19 hours to isolate and clear bustage, that's not bad, is it?
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# [07:35] <@bz> nattokirai: webkit code, in this case
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# [07:35] <@bz> nattokirai: one sec
# [07:36] <@bz> nattokirai: try http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1394969 in a recent webkit
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# [07:36] <@bz> nattokirai: That testcase was my first thought after James Robinson described how they implement animation frame callbacks...
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# [07:47] <jamesr> bz: i'll claim it regressed since i implemented it
# [07:47] <nattokirai> bz: heh, chrome doesn't seem to like your test...
# [07:47] <jamesr> >_>
# [07:47] <jamesr> <_<
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# [07:54] <@bz> nattokirai: verily
# [07:54] <@bz> jamesr: oh, you're in here? ;)
# [07:54] <jamesr> i often am
# [07:54] <jamesr> im in ur chanz stealing ur sekrits
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# [07:54] <@bz> jamesr: yeah, our hidden code and communication ones. ;)
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# [07:55] <@bz> jamesr: my experience with code that has to call from C++ to JS is that getting it "right" is extremely painful
# [07:55] <@bz> jamesr: if one can even define what "right" is
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# [07:55] <@bz> jamesr: hence the current Gecko setup, where we get the whole callback list, and then we don't depend on anything else and just call all the callbacks....
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# [07:57] <jamesr> this code was significantly trickier to write than i expected it to be
# [07:57] <@bz> yep
# [07:57] <@bz> that's been my experience too
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# [07:58] <jamesr> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/ScriptedAnimationController.cpp#L103
# [07:58] <jamesr> that operates on a single document
# [07:58] <jamesr> one unfortunate fact about how this is structured in WebKit is that the code that calls that is platform-specific
# [07:58] <jamesr> because of platform-specific ways that painting is handled
# [07:58] <@bz> hmm
# [07:58] <@bz> interesting
# [07:59] <jamesr> this also means that safari is still completely broken and retarded, despite the chrome impl of the basic scheduling being solid for a good while now
# [07:59] <jamesr> i hope they fix that up before shipping but it's up to apple
# [07:59] <@bz> ah, the scheduling is platform-specific?
# [07:59] <jamesr> yes
# [08:00] <@bz> In gecko the scheduling is cross-platform, but this stuff is only loosely coupled to actual painting
# [08:00] <@bz> we're working on fixing that last bit
# [08:00] <jamesr> ours is tied pretty closely to painting
# [08:00] <jamesr> but painting scheduling is definitely not cross-platform. we even have a few different paths in chromium
# [08:00] <jamesr> for our software vs gpu compositing stacks
# [08:00] <@bz> our problem ends up being that we paint too often
# [08:01] <@bz> more often than we do refresh driver updates (which are what drive declarative animation, these callbacks, restyle processing, etc)
# [08:01] <@bz> Yeah
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# [08:01] <@bz> now I recall why I grabbed all the lists up front
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# [08:02] <jamesr> our behavior right now for a callback in one document registering callbacks in a document that will be hit later in the same 'frame' is also incorrect right now
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# [08:02] <@bz> oh, I see how you're handling cancelation during firing
# [08:02] <@bz> hmmm
# [08:02] <jamesr> that callback should happen on the 'next' frame, but we dispatch them in the same loop
# [08:03] <jamesr> yeah cancellation is a property of the _callback_
# [08:03] <@bz> yeah
# [08:03] <@bz> well
# [08:03] <@bz> that part is easy
# [08:03] <@bz> the hard part is finding the callbacks
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# [08:03] <@bz> we get the case you describe correct
# [08:03] <@bz> but that's because we steal all the callbacks from the documents before firing
# [08:03] <@bz> and canceling callbacks that have been stolen is a bit of a pain
# [08:03] <jamesr> i added a reply summarizing what i think the two choices are
# [08:03] <jamesr> and then a third one i don't like
# [08:04] <@bz> sounds good
# [08:04] <jamesr> so you actually remove all callbacks from the list before starting?
# [08:04] <jamesr> per-element visibility makes that approach not really work, depending on whether you want to update the visibility state between callbacks
# [08:05] <@bz> right now we do that, yes
# [08:05] <@bz> we don't do the per-element thing, so it wasn't a factor in the design
# [08:05] <@bz> I fully expect us to have to revisit this when we do the per-element thing
# [08:05] <jamesr> if an element is invisible and stays invisible for the course of the task, you want to leave it in place
# [08:05] <jamesr> so that's why it copies the list but doesn't clear, then runs a bunch of callbacks (potentially all), then removes the callbacks it ran from the document's list
# [08:06] <jamesr> so callbacks that didn't run remain untouched
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# [08:08] <jamesr> last time per-element came up either you, jonas, or roc seemed strongly opposed to re-evaluated visibility after firing each callback, which i think we strongly want to do. without agreement on that it's not possible to define the callback order precisely
# [08:08] <@bz> yeah
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# [08:09] <jamesr> so that sort of nixes the whole thing. it's also pretty complicated to implement visibility checks correctly since we currently do paint some content outside the viewport in some circumstances, so i'm not really looking forward to writing and testing all that code
# [08:09] <@bz> heh
# [08:09] <@bz> all this pain, just to get web developers to stop using setTimeout!
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# [08:10] <philor> bz: there's your telemetry failure up
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# [08:11] <philor> just one measly platform
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# [08:11] <@bz> philor: hmm?
# [08:11] <philor> Windows-only
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# [08:11] <philor> test_TelemetryPing.js timing out
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# [08:11] <@bz> jamesr: this is the purple xpcshell test?
# [08:12] <@bz> er....
# [08:12] <@bz> philor: this is the purple xpcshell test?
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# [08:12] <@bz> jamesr: will follow up on the mailing list about the other stuff
# [08:12] <jamesr> bz: ok cool. i'll file a bug on that testcase
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# [08:12] <@bz> jamesr: thanks!
# [08:12] <philor> bz: yeah, purple is Windows' color for red, and orange, and purple
# [08:12] <jamesr> do you happen to have an email i could cc on a crbug.com bug?
# [08:13] <@bz> jamesr: bzbarsky@mit.edu
# [08:13] <@bz> philor: you want to back out nfroyd or should I?
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# [08:15] <jamesr> bz: cool. cheers
# [08:15] <darktrojan> purple isn't very festive :(
# [08:15] <philor> bz: sure, I can
# [08:16] <@bz> jamesr: wow
# [08:16] <@bz> jamesr: you weren't kidding about not painting during alert
# [08:16] <@bz> philor: thanks!
# [08:16] <jamesr> in chrome? we sync IPC to the browser process actually
# [08:16] <jamesr> there ain't diddly happening on the renderer side while that puppy is up
# [08:16] <@bz> jamesr: makes this testcase amusing:
# [08:17] <@bz> document.body.offsetWidth;
# [08:17] <@bz> document.getElementById("x").style.color = "red";
# [08:17] <@bz> alert("Is the color changing? Watch for at least 2 seconds");
# [08:17] <@bz> where there's a transition on the color
# [08:17] <@bz> it stays green for a while
# [08:17] <@bz> much longer than the transition period, even after the alert comes down
# [08:17] <jamesr> css transition?
# [08:17] <@bz> then snaps to red
# [08:17] <@bz> yeah
# [08:17] <jamesr> so here safari vs chrome will behave pretty differently, i think
# [08:18] <@bz> Safari shows me the alert while still showing the previous page
# [08:18] <jamesr> i'll bet you can get different behavior if you document.body.offsetTop after setting style.color
# [08:18] <@bz> (_that_ is a bad bug)
# [08:18] <jamesr> window.alert() is really hard in a multi-process browser
# [08:18] <jamesr> are y'all still playing around with tab-modal alert()s?
# [08:19] <@bz> we have them
# [08:19] <@bz> Safari has the same behavior
# [08:19] <@bz> modulo their "put up the alert before rendering the webpage" bug
# [08:20] <@bz> no transition while alert is up, then snaps to the new color
# [08:22] <jamesr> heh, tab-modal dialogs are funny. very easy to get one tab stuck until you dismiss an alert in a different tab
# [08:22] <jamesr> load this in multiple tabs and then click "ok" in a different order than the order you loaded them in: data:text/html;charset=utf-8,<!DOCTYPE html><script>window.alert("a");window.alert("b")<%2Fscript>
# [08:23] <jamesr> then try to guess when you get the "b"
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# [08:26] <jamesr> bz: is this the testcase with color you're talking about: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1271 ?
# [08:27] <jamesr> it behaves more sanely in a Safari single-process window (available in the Debug menu in WebKit nightlies) than their multi-process system
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# [08:29] <@bz> jamesr: yeah, that's the testcase
# [08:30] <@bz> ok
# [08:30] <@bz> I should sleep
# [08:30] <@bz> it's 2:30am
# [08:30] <@bz> g'night, all
# [08:30] <jamesr> night
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# [08:57] <glazou> bonjour
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# [08:57] <ewong> if I were to 'attempt' to understand the whole make process (autoconfig et. al), anyone got any advice as to where to start?
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# [09:01] <glazou> is mail @mozilla.com still down? Just to know if I should use personal addresses or not...
# [09:01] <ewong> glazou: yes
# [09:01] <glazou> ewong: _wow_....
# [09:01] <ewong> status.mozilla.com
# [09:01] <ewong> errrgk
# [09:01] <ewong> http://status.mozilla.com
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# [09:02] <glazou> ewong: seems all green to me there
# [09:02] <fabrice> glazou: this is worse than what you think
# [09:02] <fabrice> the network is up, not the service
# [09:03] <glazou> fabrice: well ; last time I had a more-than-5-hrs email outage was so many years ago I don't remember
# [09:03] <glazou> so I think I understand
# [09:03] <glazou> ah ok
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# [09:04] <Callek> glazou: the blade cluster died, aiui, which means they are having to rebuild much of the install/service the hard way
# [09:04] <@bz_sleep> the way dbaron put it....
# [09:04] <Callek> no data was "lost" (at least in one of two ways to restore)
# [09:04] <@bz_sleep> "expect mail service to be back up before mailboxes are restored"
# [09:04] <ewong> O_O.. "blade cluster died" is such a scary thing to read.
# [09:05] <glazou> _wow_
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# [09:05] <glazou> that's in Phoenix right ?
# [09:05] <ewong> afaik, yup
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# [09:10] <ewong> at least it's a team of IT personnel working at this problem..and not just one person..
# [09:11] <ewong> I would really pity the single IT person who needs to handle something this big..
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# [09:13] <glazou> !seen dbaron
# [09:13] <@bz_sleep> ewong: well, I also don't use my moco mail for all that much
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# [09:13] <firewolfbot> dbaron was last seen 8 hours, 32 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying '?' in #developers.
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# [09:19] <Callek> ewong++
# [09:19] <Callek> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104642#c49
# [09:20] <ewong> Callek yeah.. :)
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# [09:22] <ewong> Callek looking at the makefiles et. al is such a daunting task..
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# [09:26] <dougt> sfink: we can disable the automated merges from m-c to birch now
# [09:26] <dougt> thanks for the help w/ it.. it was pretty useful
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# [10:08] <mwu> roc: setting layout.frame_rate.precise to true seems to improve framerate significantly for b2g
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# [10:09] <mwu> any ideas what's going on? cjones is suspicious
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# [10:44] <mounir> smaug: i thought you would r- that patch
# [10:45] <mounir> so cool it will be able to land \o/
# [10:45] <gcp> akeybl: hmm, without bugmail I missed your request to ask for approval on my bugs
# [10:46] <smaug> mounir: why should I have r-'ed that?
# [10:46] <smaug> I know DOMEventTargetHelper is a bit too hard to use right
# [10:47] <mounir> smaug: the problem was so obvious that it sounded too obvious to be a mistake
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# [11:02] <mounir> smaug: btw, if you do not have enough cycle to reviews all those websms patches I can try to find other reviewers
# [11:03] <mounir> I my review requests apply only for the dom/ code, no need to worry about ipc and android
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# [11:08] <smaug> mounir: I think I can look at those. I was just sort-of away for 2 days (yesterday was independence day)
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# [11:08] <mounir> smaug: ok
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# [11:09] <mounir> smaug: thanks :)
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# [11:11] <Emanuel> hello. is it possible to call a javascript function on uninstall of a plugin? (like calling a destrcutor)
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# [11:22] <jlebar> bz_sleep: why the heck are you still commenting on bugs?
# [11:23] <mounir> jlebar: that's the bot he did program
# [11:23] <mounir> for simple comments
# [11:23] <mounir> he can do reviews too
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# [11:23] <darktrojan> that's probably closer to the truth than we realise
# [11:24] <Unfocused> Emanuel: if it's a restartless extension, add an uninstall() function to your bootstrap.js
# [11:24] <Unfocused> otherwise, no
# [11:24] <@bz_sleep> jlebar: because I'm a moron
# [11:24] <Emanuel> thanks
# [11:24] <Unfocused> er, SDK addons can do it to... dunno what method to use though
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# [11:25] <jlebar> bz_sleep: that seems less likely than that you're a robot, at this point.
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# [12:14] <NeilAway> smaug: what was that null frame bug again?
# [12:14] <smaug> 704758
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# [12:19] <smaug> mounir: I don't understand https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=579202&action=edit
# [12:20] <smaug> ahaa, result can be different things
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# [12:40] <smaug> mounir: I can be wrong with nsIVariant thing, but I'd try to avoid JSAPI when possible
# [12:40] <smaug> it is error prone
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# [13:23] <glob> :D
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# [13:39] <Unfocused> glob: i don't suppose fixing interdiff to be more reliable is on your todo list? :\
# [13:39] <Unfocused> so useful... so frustrating
# [13:40] <glob> Unfocused, no, but we have a newish maintainer for that
# [13:40] <Unfocused> orly?
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# [13:41] <glob> i think.. maybe i'm getting it mixed up with the normal patch viewer
# [13:42] <glob> Unfocused, are there any bugs in particular that irk you?
# [13:42] <Unfocused> when there's a mismatch of what files are changed in the two patches
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# [13:44] <Unfocused> sometimes the output is useful when that happens... sometimes the output may as well be garbage. and other times, it just won't show anything
# [13:44] <Unfocused> eg https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?oldid=577769&action=interdiff&newid=578766&headers=1
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# [13:52] <hsivonen> Why does JSVAL_NULL show up as undefined instead of null on the JS side?
# [13:53] <hsivonen> What JSVAL_FOO should I use to get a JS null?
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# [13:54] <khuey> hsivonen: uh, JSVAL_NULL should show up as null
# [13:54] <khuey> afaik
# [13:55] <khuey> JSVAL_VOID is what's supposed to be undefined
# [13:55] <hsivonen> khuey: interesting. I'll have to take a closer look at what C++ actually gets run. thanks
# [13:57] <edmorley> hsivonen: inbound looking a bit poorly
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# [13:59] <hsivonen> khuey: typo in my code...
# [13:59] <hsivonen> edmorley: looking..
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# [14:01] <glob> Unfocused, hrm, for interdiff we're currently using the 'interdiff' tool from patchutils, and it's failing on those :(
# [14:01] <khuey> hsivonen: heh
# [14:03] <Unfocused> glob: huh. up to date patchutils?
# [14:03] <glob> Unfocused, yes
# [14:04] <Unfocused> from the interdiff docs: "The diffs must both be relative to the same files"
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# [14:06] <hsivonen> edmorley: the orange is a lack of coordination between two people patching XHR. The patch I pushed is working as expected. Just a new test has been added after the patch was tested, it seems.
# [14:06] <khuey> heh
# [14:06] <khuey> zimbra is still down
# [14:07] <edmorley> hsivonen: ok thanks for checking it out :-) suggested course of action?
# [14:07] <hsivonen> edmorley: the test that got added uses functionality that we want to remove
# [14:07] <hsivonen> edmorley: so backing out the new patch doesn't make sense in that light
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# [14:09] <hsivonen> edmorley: but per rules, it's probably the easiest to back out the patches I landed and not to try to sort this out in m-i
# [14:12] <edmorley> hsivonen: sounds good to me; got a clean tree or wish me to back out?
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# [14:13] <hsivonen> edmorley: I can do it.
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# [14:14] <edmorley> hsivonen: thanks :-)
# [14:16] <hsivonen> hmm. the hg revert step described in http://ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2010-09-09/backing-out-multiple-consecutive-changesets-mercurial isn't working for me
# [14:17] <hsivonen> hmm. bad current rev
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# [14:19] <mak> hsivonen: use my script or sfind qbackout hg extension
# [14:20] <mak> sfink I meant
# [14:20] <mak> https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout or https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Mak77
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# [14:21] <hsivonen> mak: thanks
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# [14:32] <espindola> zimbra still down? :-(
# [14:33] <mounir> smaug: AFAIK it's the exact opposite
# [14:33] <mounir> I've been told we should use JSAPI as much as possible instead of nsIVariant
# [14:34] <jesup> espindola: as of a few minutes ago, yes - anyone hear an ETA?
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# [14:47] <lurking> jesup: from the #it channel: [06:51] <fox2mike> thanks guys, we're probably a couple of hours away from that at this point.
# [14:48] <lurking> Once its back up another comment stated it would be awhile before backups were uploaded
# [14:48] <fox2mike> we're still restoring account infomration and calenders
# [14:48] <fox2mike> and once that's done, after our tests, we'll open it upi
# [14:48] <fox2mike> up
# [14:48] <fox2mike> you'll get new mail
# [14:48] <fox2mike> it'll take a while for older mail to catch up
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# [14:49] <bhearsum> based on the backlog from last, i fear it will take days to deliver the mail =\
# [14:49] <bhearsum> last week, even
# [14:50] <Unfocused> fox2mike: you know, there are easier ways to declare email bankruptcy
# [14:50] <bhearsum> hehe
# [14:50] <Unfocused> (too soon? :P)
# [14:50] <Yoric> Oh, we are going to recover old mail?
# [14:51] <Yoric> That's good news, too, I had given up hope on this.
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# [14:51] <fox2mike> bhearsum: last week is bad baseline
# [14:51] <fox2mike> I don't expect more than a few hours
# [14:52] <bhearsum> nice!
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# [14:53] <fox2mike> let's see. haven't checked the queue in a while
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# [15:00] <Yoric> Is there a plan to get Error Console messages onto the Web Console?
# [15:00] <smaug> mounir: who has told?
# [15:01] <smaug> if nsIVariant is easy to use
# [15:01] <smaug> I'd use it
# [15:01] <smaug> since that way one doesn't need to use the black-magic-JSAPI
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# [15:02] <mounir> so, to solve the two others r-, sms.delete() is async like the entire WebSMS API
# [15:02] <mounir> so when you do sms.delete() you need to know when the sms is actually deleted
# [15:02] <mounir> you get the success event on the SMSRequest object for that
# [15:02] <mounir> the error event is here for error like not able to access database or stuff like that
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# [15:03] <smaug> mounir: why can delete() fail?
# [15:03] <mounir> smaug: not accessing the database for example
# [15:03] <mounir> there is no reason that "should" happen
# [15:03] <smaug> and when can that happen?
# [15:03] <mounir> though, it can if you have no permissions
# [15:04] <smaug> why do you have then access to the API if you don't have permissions
# [15:04] <mounir> but even if that should not happen in an ideal world, we are not going to create SmsRequestWithoutError just for that case
# [15:04] <smaug> I mean, if you don't have permissions, delete() should just throw
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# [15:04] <mounir> smaug: actually, I don't think it should throw
# [15:04] <mounir> IMO it should send an error event
# [15:04] <mounir> like geoloc is doing
# [15:05] <mounir> that way the app don't know if you refused, didn't replied, etc.
# [15:05] <mounir> but it depends how the permission is handling
# [15:05] <smaug> well, ok, but why does delete() need to return request?
# [15:05] <smaug> couldn't the error event contain the request?
# [15:05] <mounir> smaug: yes, that's for sure
# [15:05] <mounir> no, it's async
# [15:05] <smaug> so?
# [15:05] <mounir> the error event is sent to the request object
# [15:06] <mounir> like for send() or getMessage()
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# [15:06] <mounir> a la IndexedDB
# [15:06] <smaug> right...hmm
# [15:06] <smaug> not sure I like the API
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# [15:08] <mounir> smaug: we could discuss that and change that later if needed
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# [15:08] <mounir> I don't think we should block the bug at that point for api reasons
# [15:08] <mounir> the api will need some changes
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# [15:08] <mounir> though, I don't see how we could change the async part
# [15:09] <mounir> if we don't use a request object we will have to use a callback
# [15:09] <smaug> event listener is a callback
# [15:09] <gandalf> hsivonen: heeelp :)
# [15:09] <hsivonen> so if I call into JS engine from C++ and I want to catch the error it "throws", how do I clear whatever error reporting JS_ReportErrorNumber has set up for the DOM bindings to map?
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# [15:09] <hsivonen> gandalf: ?
# [15:09] <smaug> right now you need to add all sorts of listeners to request
# [15:09] <mounir> i meant send(options, successCb, errorCb)
# [15:09] <gandalf> hsivonen: I have nsGenericHTMLElement object and I need to get mozilla::dom::Element type object out of it. Do I cast or query interface?
# [15:10] <smaug> mounir: onsuccess, onerror
# [15:10] <Yoric> hsivonen: there's a JS_SetPendingError et al.
# [15:10] <hsivonen> gandalf: can you call AsElement()?
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# [15:11] <smaug> nsGenericHTMLElement is an Element
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# [15:11] <Yoric> hsivonen: maybe https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SpiderMonkey/JSAPI_Reference/JS_ClearPendingException ?
# [15:12] <hsivonen> Yoric: thanks!
# [15:12] <Yoric> My pleasure.
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# [15:14] <mounir> smaug: is taking that api and discussing that later would be fine to you?
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# [15:15] <smaug> mounir: I guess so
# [15:16] <smaug> mounir: could you ask reviews for the needed patches
# [15:16] <mounir> smaug: you mean the minuses patches related to delete()
# [15:16] <mounir> ?
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# [15:17] <smaug> mounir: yes
# [15:17] <smaug> so that it is in my review queue again
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# [15:17] <mounir> sure
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# [15:22] <gandalf> hsivonen: works! thnx!
# [15:22] <mounir> smaug: so now, about the jsval...
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# [15:23] <ewong> khuey: ping
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# [15:23] <smaug> mounir: I'm not 100% sure nsIVariant would work
# [15:23] <smaug> or nsISupports
# [15:24] <mounir> khuey: ping
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# [15:24] <mounir> smaug: nsISupports wouldn't
# [15:24] <smaug> but if they do, that would be good
# [15:24] <mounir> I mean, it can be bool or nsISupports at least
# [15:24] <smaug> ahaa
# [15:24] <smaug> .idl didn't mention bool
# [15:24] <mounir> but the issue is I have other patches using jsval
# [15:24] <mounir> smaug: it does I believe
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> Hmm?
# [15:25] <mounir> Ms2ger: hmhm?
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> Morning mounir
# [15:25] <smaug> mounir: indeed it does
# [15:26] <mounir> smaug: " // Can be bool, nsIDOMSmsMessage, nsIDOMSmsIterator or null."
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# [15:26] <mounir> Ms2ger: it's more like the evening here but thanks :)
# [15:26] <smaug> mounir: but still, there is nothing js-thing there
# [15:26] <mounir> smaug: so at least two people told me to use jsval
# [15:26] <mounir> but I can't remember why
# [15:26] <smaug> is there any reason to not use nsIVariant? Does xpconnect not handle conversion properly
# [15:27] <mounir> I believe khuey was one of them
# [15:27] <mounir> but I can hardly remember
# [15:27] <Ms2ger> I guess because nsIVariant is ugly :)
# [15:27] <mounir> I would tend to agree to change that in a follow-up if it's really bad
# [15:27] <smaug> I could understand using jsval if you were handling something JS vals
# [15:27] <smaug> Ms2ger: well, are you saying JSAPI isn't ugly ?
# [15:28] <mounir> smaug: I've other places were it's handling js values (like Date)
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> Perhaps
# [15:28] <mounir> can I use consistency as an argument here :)
# [15:28] <Ms2ger> No. You're French.
# [15:28] <smaug> :)
# [15:29] <smaug> but since the reviewer is Finnish consistency argument is perhaps good
# [15:29] <mounir> I know Finnish people were nice guys :)
# [15:29] <smaug> mounir: the problem is that someone else needs to review JSAPI parts
# [15:30] <mounir> smaug: I can use mrbkap for that :)
# [15:30] <khuey> ewong: pong
# [15:30] <khuey> mounir: pong
# [15:30] <mounir> khuey: are you the guy who told me jsval should be used instead of nsIVariant ?
# [15:31] <khuey> I might have told you that sometimes it maybe should be used
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# [15:31] <hsivonen> XHR::GetResponse uses jsval, FWIW
# [15:31] <hsivonen> and it's recent code
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# [15:32] <khuey> yeah, the question is whether or not you need to be accessible from C++
# [15:32] <ewong> khuey: what is the easiest way of understanding the whole build thingy( Makefiles, config/, autoconfig et. al)?
# [15:32] <khuey> xhr.response doesn't really
# [15:32] <Ms2ger> ewong, not at all?
# [15:32] <khuey> ewong: have you read https://developer.mozilla.org/en/How_Mozilla%27s_build_system_works ?
# [15:32] <smaug> hsivonen: that is different thing
# [15:32] <khuey> it's mostly accurate
# [15:33] <smaug> hsivonen: XHR.response can point to objects which are JS objects
# [15:33] <smaug> I mean ArrayBuffers or such
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# [15:34] <ewong> Ms2ger: heh.. looks *very* daunting
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# [15:34] <ewong> khuey no.. but now I will.. :)
# [15:34] <khuey> anybody know mccr8's non-mozilla.com email?
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> continuation@gmail?
# [15:35] <khuey> aha
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> smaug, anything in particular you dislike about it?
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# [15:36] <smaug> Ms2ger: you never know when to root something
# [15:36] <Ms2ger> True
# [15:36] * Ms2ger leaves that to his reviewers
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# [15:37] <khuey> you don't?
# [15:37] * khuey thought that was fairly straightforward
# [15:37] <smaug> ...which effectively means, you never know whether you're causing an sg:crit bug
# [15:37] <mounir> smaug: so I can re-ask review and ask mrbkap to review the jsapi stuff?
# [15:37] <@bz_sleep> is the android mess at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=73c2e60b95bf expected?
# [15:37] <khuey> if you're storing jsvals on the heap you root them
# [15:38] <khuey> otherwise the stack scanner saves you
# [15:38] <khuey> no?
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# [15:38] <@bz_sleep> smaug: you generally don't have to root nowadays unless you work with string chars directly
# [15:38] <@bz_sleep> smaug: or yeah, putting jsvals on the heap
# [15:38] <smaug> mounir: I did review already
# [15:38] <smaug> khuey: IIRC no
# [15:38] <Ms2ger> bz_sleep, think so, yes
# [15:38] * @bz_sleep mutters about how we shouldn't need to use jsapi much from our code
# [15:39] <Ms2ger> "should"
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> it's just that our glue is not good enough
# [15:39] <smaug> bz_sleep: exactly, that string case is a strange special case
# [15:39] <khuey> well once we write those new dom bindings
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> so we end up with all sorts of jsval crud
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# [15:39] <khuey> :-D
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> right
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> that magic thing
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# [15:39] <khuey> once we fix all the problems there will be no problems
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> I would like to point out that I just fixed my permaorange by changing the setTimeout value in the test...
# [15:39] <@bz_sleep> which is just <sigh>
# [15:39] <Ms2ger> The first rule of tautology club...
# [15:40] <Ms2ger> r-
# [15:40] <@bz_sleep> Ms2ger: the test is already randomorange
# [15:40] <khuey> on the original test?
# [15:40] <Ms2ger> Pff
# [15:40] <Ms2ger> Disable it?
# [15:40] <@bz_sleep> Ms2ger: the patch queue involved makes some timing changes that make it permaorange
# [15:40] <@bz_sleep> Ms2ger: That seems like the other obvious option!
# [15:40] <smaug> also, adding jsvals to CC is ugly
# [15:41] <khuey> yes, that is true
# [15:41] <@bz_sleep> we really shouldn't be storing jsvals much
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# [15:41] <khuey> DOM bindings won't save us there
# [15:41] <@bz_sleep> ideally
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# [15:41] <@bz_sleep> khuey: why not?
# [15:41] <Ms2ger> That's not a word I hear often
# [15:41] <@bz_sleep> khuey: I mean, short term totally not
# [15:41] <khuey> bz_sleep: how are new DOM bindings going to save us from CC nastiness?
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# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: well, why are we storing jsvals?
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# [15:42] <smaug> if we could have some wrappers around jsvals which just do the magic automatically
# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: if we could store some actual useful type
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# [15:42] <mounir> smaug: no, you r- that
# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: and implement the cc crud in one and only one place
# [15:42] <khuey> hmm
# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: what smaug said above
# [15:42] <mounir> smaug: oh sorry, didn't saw the bugmail :)
# [15:42] <mounir> smaug++
# [15:42] <khuey> yeah, ok
# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: but that might involve having a way to express the right types
# [15:42] <khuey> that seems distinct from dom bindings work
# [15:42] <khuey> for the most part
# [15:42] <@bz_sleep> khuey: well, it's the other part of the bindings
# [15:43] <@bz_sleep> khuey: the "reflect a js object into C++" part
# [15:43] <khuey> fair point
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# [15:43] <@bz_sleep> khuey: but yes, distinct from "make calling stuff on nodes not suck"
# [15:43] <@bz_sleep> khuey: which is the current focus
# [15:43] <@bz_sleep> ok
# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> now that this orange is fixed, it's sleeptime some more
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# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> and then the substantive changes
# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> back in 3 hours.....
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# [15:44] <Ms2ger> Can't sleep, oranges will eat me?
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# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> orange to the left of me, purple to the right
# [15:45] <@bz_sleep> here I am, stuck in the middle with you
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# [15:46] <khuey> heh
# [15:46] <khuey> high res timers on windows caused a compiler crash too
# [15:46] <@bz_sleep> ICE, ICE baby?
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# [15:47] <khuey> pretty much
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# [15:48] <@bz_sleep> that sucks
# [15:48] <@bz_sleep> just like the compiler
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# [15:48] <khuey> indeed
# [15:48] <khuey> I'd switch today if I could ;-)
# [15:49] <@bz_sleep> is there a way to disable pgo per-file?
# [15:49] <@bz_sleep> or does it have to be per-dll?
# [15:49] <mounir> bz_sleep: I love to see you sleep talking :)
# [15:49] <@bz_sleep> yeah
# [15:49] * @bz_sleep is bad about actually sleeping
# [15:49] <mick_laptop> can someone tell me why gifs have always loaded really slowly for me in firefox (no matter what version of ff, until the whole thing is downloaded)
# [15:50] <khuey> oh boy
# [15:50] <Wes_> are you on dial up?
# [15:50] <mick_laptop> I figured there might be a technical reason
# [15:50] <khuey> this app sync bug is a fun read
# [15:50] <khuey> bz_sleep: yes
# [15:50] <mick_laptop> nope
# [15:50] <khuey> I believe so
# [15:50] <@bz_sleep> khuey: can you mail me details?
# [15:50] <khuey> sure
# [15:50] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: is this a clean profile?
# [15:50] <khuey> @mit.edu?
# [15:50] <@bz_sleep> khuey: yep
# [15:51] <@bz_sleep> khuey: that seems like the right way to go for some of this stuff, possibly
# [15:51] <mick_laptop> until zimbra is back ;)
# [15:51] <@bz_sleep> khuey: at least worth trying
# [15:51] <khuey> unfortunately yes
# [15:51] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: what about zimbra?
# [15:51] <khuey> I'll send details in a bit
# [15:51] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: anyway, for the gif thing, got a testcase?
# [15:51] <mick_laptop> I was refering to emails
# [15:51] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: sure, but zimbra has nothing with the address to mail me at
# [15:52] <mick_laptop> just something I've always noticed
# [15:52] <mick_laptop> try anything from /r/funny
# [15:52] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: I use my moco address as little as possible
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# [15:52] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: anyway. Make sure it happens in safe mode. If it does, file a bug?
# [15:53] <@bz_sleep> mick_laptop: with whatever info you can provide, since clearly something is different about your case....
# [15:53] <Yoric> Does anybody know jwalker's IRC nickname?
# [15:53] <Yoric> It's not on the phonebook.
# [15:53] <hsivonen> do we have something ready-made that grabs the pending exception from a JS context and logs it to the error console?
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# [15:54] <hsivonen> JS_ReportPendingException maybe?
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# [15:55] <@bz_sleep> hsivonen: exactly
# [15:55] <@bz_sleep> hsivonen: note that JS_ReportPendingException logs it and clears it from the context
# [15:55] <hsivonen> and doesn't call window.onerror?
# [15:55] <mick_laptop> also in safe mode
# [15:55] <mick_laptop> http://imgur.com/r/funny/6QTq4 <-- one example
# [15:56] <jesup> mick_laptop: since you mention it's only on the laptop, if it repeats please include HW and SW versions for it (especially graphics chipset and driver version, since we now use GL for some gfx stuff)
# [15:56] <mick_laptop> ah so it might just be my graphics card
# [15:56] <jesup> mick_laptop: what happens there? the page loaded so fast for me that I couldn't see any temp paints
# [15:56] <jesup> (but I'm on FIOS on a Xeon...)
# [15:57] <@bz_sleep> hsivonen: sure it calls it
# [15:57] <jesup> mick_laptop: or drivers
# [15:57] <jesup> bz_sleep: you're almost as bad as I am on sleep... ;-)
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# [15:57] <@bz_sleep> meh
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# [15:58] <hsivonen> bz_sleep: hmm. any way to log the error without calling the window.onerror handler?
# [15:58] * mounir doubt that
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# [15:58] <mick_laptop> AMD Athlon(tm) II P340 Dual-Core Processor on a cable connection that sometimes gets really screwed with (I have to call the cable company a lot. they like to do bandwidth shaping regularly... then my d/l speeds are 1-2 Meg down
# [15:59] <khuey> jesup: indeed
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# [15:59] <mick_laptop> radeon driver
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# [16:00] <mick_laptop> besides, lsmod how else can I get more info on the graphics driver (version etc)
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# [16:00] <jesup> mick_laptop: Linux on a laptop... Hmmm ;-)
# [16:00] <mick_laptop> ya, what about it?
# [16:01] <mick_laptop> :P
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# [16:02] <jesup> Linux support on laptops can be... iffy. And laptop gfx chipsets probably aren't as well tested/supported as mainline I'd guess
# [16:02] <mick_laptop> ok version is 1:6.14.0
# [16:02] <mick_laptop> forgot to use package management tools to check (dow!)
# [16:02] <jesup> Put that all in the bug. And also the gfx chipset
# [16:03] <mick_laptop> jesup: I haven't had any issues in years
# [16:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.
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# [16:03] <mick_laptop> I mean linux on laptops
# [16:03] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, correct!
# [16:04] <mick_laptop> jesup: I'd be willing to bet that it is a driver issue more than an issue in ff
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# [16:04] <jesup> mick_laptop: if you're using non-cutting-edge laptops (prev generation stuff), my understanding is support is much better.
# [16:04] <mick_laptop> interesting
# [16:04] <jesup> mick_laptop: I have a suspicion you're right (which is why I sent you this direction). There's a pref for turning of GL, I think - anyone know what it is?
# [16:05] <mick_laptop> i'll check about:config
# [16:05] <mick_laptop> I'd like to know how to better narrow down the issue
# [16:05] <mick_laptop> i think turning off gl is a start
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# [16:06] <jesup> mick_laptop: about:support has a gfx section at the end
# [16:07] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: oh, it's from xkcd!
# [16:07] <khuey> smaug: does SetAllowJavascript on a docshell affect xbl bindings?
# [16:07] <Ms2ger> Indeed
# [16:07] <mick_laptop> GPU Accelerated Windows0/1. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version Mesa 7.10.3 or newer.
# [16:08] <mick_laptop> that is probably it
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# [16:09] <jesup> mick_laptop: great! hope that helps
# [16:09] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: The second rule of Tautology Club follows the first, provided it exists.
# [16:09] <mick_laptop> jesup: I always hate graphics ddrriver upgrades
# [16:09] <khuey> do load events get fired at <script> elements?
# [16:10] <mick_laptop> it is such a shotr in the dark
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# [16:10] <Standard8> someone remind me, do reftests have a profile generated for them?
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> Standard8, yes
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# [16:11] <NeilAway> khuey: looks like they are affected
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# [16:11] <smaug> khuey: don't remember
# [16:11] <khuey> ok
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> khuey, might be a bug for that
# [16:12] <Standard8> Ms2ger: ah, I see user.js
# [16:12] <Standard8> and its using automation.py.in
# [16:13] <Standard8> that's good, should be able to work it out from there
# [16:13] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we actually share code now :)
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# [16:13] <Standard8> I think last time I looked, it wasn't sharing
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# [16:15] <Yoric> jesup: almost sounds like Leonard Cohen.
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# [16:17] <jesup> Back to coding up support in JS for "new PeerConnection("STUN 1.2.3.4",signalingobject)" (not quite as easy as I thought it would be, though I've found code to cargo-cult-modify into what I want). ;-)
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# [16:18] <mick_laptop> well if I'm not back here in a while, it isn't because something bad happened to me
# [16:19] <mick_laptop> but simply because this stupid proprietary driver crapped out and screwed up my X.org conf
# [16:19] * mick_laptop crosses fingers
# [16:19] <jesup> good luck!
# [16:19] <khuey> woo inbox 0
# [16:20] <nigelb> khuey: not for long :P
# [16:20] <khuey> true
# [16:20] <khuey> it's a never ending battle
# [16:20] <nigelb> You will soon be Inbox: overflow.
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# [16:20] <khuey> nah
# [16:20] <khuey> it's a 64 bit integer
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# [16:24] <robhawkes> cpearce: Any ideas why the Full Screen API doesn't relinquish :hover from the element that was clicked to request full screen? I have to put my mouse over the same element after going into full screen to reset it.
# [16:25] <robhawkes> This behaviour exists on the cross-browser demo linked on your blog as well, notice the button keeps its black outline when going into full screen and also when coming out, until you mouse over it again
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# [16:26] <khuey> wow the last paragraph of https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-December/018824.html is ... interesting
# [16:26] <jesup> khuey: Inbox (3361)
# [16:26] <khuey> jesup: ha
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# [16:27] <khuey> "[integrating dart] doesn't match webkit's goal of being a standards compliant engine"
# [16:27] <khuey> "is that webkit's goal?"
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> Inbox (102)
# [16:27] <jesup> but that's for my catch-all randell1@jesup.org account (mailing lists, website logins, etc). Interesting stuff goes to randell@jesup.org, or gets filtered out of Inbox to bugmail, webrtc, etc folders
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> That's good to know ;)
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# [16:31] <jesup> khuey|away: wouldn't have expected they'd get resistance. Good.
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# [16:35] <Pike> taras: I'd love to get your input on bug 666662, I'm curious on how today's fashion of shipping data looks
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# [16:35] <Yoric> seen joe_walker
# [16:35] <Yoric> !seen joe_walker
# [16:35] <firewolfbot> joe_walker was last seen 21 hours, 13 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying 'ok' in #devtools.
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# [16:38] <jesup> khuey|away: In fact, reading that thread, lots of resistance
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# [16:48] <erione> msucan: i uploaded the final patch with changes you suggested...but i don't know how to write tests
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# [16:48] <msucan> hello erione
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# [16:49] <erione> msucan: hi...
# [16:49] <msucan> erione: do you want to learn how? how do you feel about that?
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# [16:49] <erione> yes, i want to learn how to write tests
# [16:49] <msucan> great
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# [16:50] <msucan> erione: i suggest you take a look into some of the existing tests
# [16:50] <msucan> copy/paste one of them into a new file following a similar file naming scheme
# [16:50] <msucan> then add the new file name into the Makefile.in file
# [16:50] <erione> ok...
# [16:51] <msucan> erione: see browser/devtools/webconsole/test/browser
# [16:51] <erione> and that should check if the STR for 704295 is fixed or not
# [16:51] <msucan> correct
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# [16:52] <erione> ok, let me try
# [16:53] <msucan> let me know if you find stuck on something
# [16:53] <msucan> erione: after you update the makefile you need to update the build
# [16:53] <msucan> (run make)
# [16:54] <msucan> when you make test changes you don't need to re-run make
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# [16:54] <mounir> Ms2ger++
# [16:54] <mounir> for doing that review :)
# [16:54] <erione> ok
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> :)
# [16:55] <msucan> erione: here's how you can run the tests (and some other info). https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Browser_chrome_tests
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# [17:08] <ehsan> ASSERTION: MemoryReporterMallocSizeOf: computedSize is too small: 'usable < computedSize * 2 || usable <= 16 || computedSize == 0'
# [17:08] <ehsan> should I be scared?
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# [17:09] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [17:09] <Theo> Hi everybody ! I'm a french student, and a new volonteer dev on Firefox, and I require some help with bug 656518.
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# [17:10] <bsmedberg> Theo: the blocklist bug?
# [17:10] <Theo> My problem is to adapt my patch for beta
# [17:11] <bsmedberg> oops, mistyped the bug#
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# [17:11] <Theo> :)
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# [17:13] <Theo> I don't know if I should create new folder like these for nightly and aurora, or not. Or if there is another solution to add beta wordmark image with less changes in the code
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# [17:16] <mounir> smaug: did you meant to review all WebSMS patches but one?
# [17:17] <mick_laptop> yay, it works
# [17:17] <reuben> do I need an apple developer account to submit bugs?
# [17:17] <smaug> mounir: hmm, is there still one missing
# [17:17] <smaug> you have so many patches ;)
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# [17:17] <mick_laptop> reuben: depends
# [17:18] <mick_laptop> what are you having an issue w/?
# [17:18] <mounir> smaug: hmm, bugmail my try to drive me crazy
# [17:18] <reuben> mick_laptop, Mail is locking constantly
# [17:18] <reuben> deadlocking deep in graphics code
# [17:18] <mounir> smaug: yes, part AF
# [17:19] <reuben> I probably shouldn't be using Mail.app in the first place :/
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# [17:20] <hub> reuben: Thunderbird :-)
# [17:20] <hub> reuben: you can even help fixing issues in it :-)
# [17:21] <reuben> hub, I tried Thunderbird a few weeks ago. can't say it was a pleasing experience
# [17:21] <Ms2ger> Anything in particular about it?
# [17:21] <hub> I think I had that for Mail.app :-)
# [17:21] <sid0> what ETA do we have to fixing @mozilla.com email?
# [17:21] <mick_laptop> reuben: https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
# [17:21] <Ms2ger> sid0, some day :)
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> Possibly
# [17:22] <mick_laptop> sid0: wed morning latest
# [17:22] <mick_laptop> oops, it is wed
# [17:22] <mounir> sid0: should privacy reviews be setup with you?
# [17:22] <smaug> mounir: so, in which case would RecvNotifyRequestSmsDeleteFailed be called in wrong process?
# [17:22] <sid0> mounir: hmm?
# [17:23] <reuben> Ms2ger, the link to setup newsgroups didn't work at all, the interface was not intuitive and it crashed when I tried to setup my gmail account
# [17:23] <mounir> sid0: I might be mistaken with another sid
# [17:23] <sid0> mounir: yeah, you want geekboy
# [17:23] <sid0> Sid Stamm
# [17:23] <sid0> don't worry, we look out for each other :)
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# [17:23] <mounir> smaug: in multi-content process environment
# [17:23] <smaug> mounir: yes?
# [17:24] <mounir> smaug: the AndroidJNI code is sending that event to all SmsParent
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> reuben, strange, newsgroups/gmail do work for me
# [17:24] <smaug> huh
# [17:24] <mounir> so all SmsChild are going to get the message
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# [17:24] <mick_laptop> sid0: 04:38 <@fox2mike> thanks guys, we're probably a couple of hours away from that at this point.
# [17:24] <mick_laptop> that was 5 hrs ago
# [17:24] <reuben> Ms2ger, hm. I'll try it again later, I was in a hurry back then so I just used Mail.app
# [17:24] <mounir> smaug: there is no way to know the associated child id from the parent
# [17:24] <hub> reuben: I rarely got the latest Thunderbird to crash.
# [17:25] <hub> but I don't use gmail either
# [17:25] <mick_laptop> sid0: so hopefully soon
# [17:25] <mick_laptop> hang tight ;)
# [17:25] <mounir> smaug: at least it is working like that for ContentParent/Child and I did immitate the system
# [17:25] <sid0> excellent, I hope we don't lose any email
# [17:25] <mick_laptop> the netops guys have really had a crap week
# [17:25] <sid0> yeah
# [17:25] <Ms2ger> I like thunderbird, but that might be because I only used outlook express before :)
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# [17:25] <mick_laptop> w/ phx and the zimbra thing + that disk array crap
# [17:25] <mounir> smaug: actually, I'm using ContentChild id so I really can't do more for the moment
# [17:26] <smaug> there is already support for multiple content processes
# [17:26] <mick_laptop> reuben: what issues have you had w/ thunderbird if you don't mind me asking
# [17:26] <smaug> is b2g not using it?
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> mick_laptop, <reuben> Ms2ger, the link to setup newsgroups didn't work at all, the interface was not intuitive and it crashed when I tried to setup my gmail account
# [17:26] <erione> msucan: i saw 2-3 sample tests, but all are looking different, so not sure which test to take for making a new one :(
# [17:26] <mounir> smaug: yes, there is support for multi-content process
# [17:26] <mounir> smaug: AndroidJNI is called from the main process
# [17:26] <mick_laptop> Ms2ger: thanks
# [17:27] <msucan> erione: i am in a meeting right now. i'll ping when i am done
# [17:27] <msucan> sorry
# [17:27] <mounir> it has to send an information to its children
# [17:27] <mick_laptop> interesting
# [17:27] <mounir> but it doesn't know which children has which id
# [17:27] <mick_laptop> reuben: what OS/version?
# [17:27] <erione> msucan: no problem :)
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# [17:27] <mounir> so the information has to be sent to all children and then each has to check if the id is matching
# [17:27] <smaug> mounir: but it knows the processID
# [17:27] <reuben> mick_laptop, OS X 10.7.2, and I tried the stable Tb version
# [17:27] <smaug> why does it not know which process has the ID?
# [17:28] <mick_laptop> I don't have Lion isnstalled yet
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# [17:28] <smaug> mounir: also the parent* should know the id
# [17:28] <mounir> smaug: because processId is set by the child process before sending the message to the parent
# [17:28] <mounir> smaug: technically, the parent doesn't now the id AFAIK
# [17:28] <bwinton> I've got Lion, and two GMail accounts in my Thunderbird…
# [17:29] <mounir> smaug: I would love to be proven wrong or write a follow-up to make that information available to the ContentParent
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# [17:29] <reuben> the worst part is that after locking up, I kill it, it leaves a zombie process running, something starts using 100% of one of my cores, and eventually I'll have to reboot the machine
# [17:29] <reuben> well, zombie process obviously aren't running but you get the idea
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# [17:30] <bwinton> reuben: Yeah, there's definitely a problem with shutting down Thunderbird sometimes.
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# [17:30] <mick_laptop> reuben: but tb has one major advantage. you can get better help and you can also contribute back :)
# [17:30] <mick_laptop> bwinton: same w/ other clients
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# [17:31] <mick_laptop> I'm using mutt now
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# [17:31] <smaug> mounir: ContentParent::ContentParent() send the ID to content process
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# [17:31] <bwinton> mick_laptop: Well, yes, but since I work on Thunderbird I feel like I shouldn't really bad-mouth the other mail clients. ;)
# [17:31] <mick_laptop> I'm getting a new laptop today and yes tb will be on it :)
# [17:32] <mick_laptop> bwinton: yeah, good idea
# [17:32] <mounir> smaug: and doesn't keep it
# [17:32] <mounir> smaug: so I have to be in the content process to know the id
# [17:32] <smaug> yes, but that would be easy to fix
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# [17:34] <erione> surkov: i would like to work on this bug - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634827
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# [17:34] <erione> but i am not much aware of the blocks it has
# [17:34] <lmandel> Unfocused: You around? I'd like to get an update on DTC from you before the planning meeting if possible.
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# [17:35] <surkov> erione: that'd be great
# [17:36] <surkov> erione: should I provide more details how to fix it in the bug?
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# [17:36] <erione> surkov: yes
# [17:36] <surkov> erione: I will, are you cc'ed?
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# [17:37] <mounir> smaug: I would be glad to fix that in a follow-upfix that in a follow-up, re
# [17:37] <erione> surkov: no, i will get myself added in the cc list
# [17:37] <surkov> ok, great
# [17:37] <surkov> I'll put details shortly
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# [17:38] <erione> surkov: ok :) but as i told i am not aware of the blocks, so is it ok??
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# [17:39] <Pike> thanks
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# [17:39] <philor> edmorley: oh, look, WinPGO is broken again
# [17:40] <surkov> erione: what do you mean by blocks?
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# [17:41] <erione> surkov: cleana11y a11yperf caretsela11y cited on the bug's link
# [17:41] <erione> in the blocks field
# [17:42] <philor> ted2: ping
# [17:42] <surkov> erione: ah, that doesn't matter, but since it blocks perfa11y then it's great bug to make our performance a little bit better :)
# [17:42] <mounir> smaug: ouch, bad connection internet trough ssh is hard, sorry for that weird message :)
# [17:43] <surkov> erione: those blocks are just meta bugs we use to keep bugs organized
# [17:43] <erione> surkov: ok, then i am ready to go for this bug
# [17:43] <surkov> great, thanks
# [17:44] <erione> :)
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# [17:55] <gregglind_mv> where do things in UX_BRANCH live in hg?
# [17:57] <reuben> gregglind_mv, https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/ux/
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# [18:03] <lurking> reuben: do you use Stylish addon - been reported its causing crashes
# [18:03] <gandalf> hsivonen: ping
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# [18:03] <reuben> lurking, yes! I'll disable it, thanks
# [18:04] <lurking> k
# [18:04] <lurking> reuben: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708248
# [18:05] <reuben> hm, mine was crashing inside storage though
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# [18:06] <reuben> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a1761f2e-15b9-428c-ada1-136b42111207
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# [18:07] <lurking> reuben: another user reported that possibly pinned tabs, or google reader was causing crashes also - but I think that was a crash on start-up
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# [18:08] <gabor> khuey: mrbkap: so I filed a patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587797 and I'm not sure you get an email or not about it, so i'm just letting you guys know
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# [18:09] <hub> email? what's that?
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# [18:10] <bwinton> hub: It's like yammer, but between two people instead of being public…
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# [18:10] <lurking> email is an application to store spam
# [18:10] <Yoric> Can anyone explain to me how the build system works for .jsm?
# [18:10] <reuben> it's like notepad, but multiplayer
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# [18:11] <Yoric> I have been making changes in my jsm, rebuilding, and nothing happens to be mirrored in the final result.
# [18:11] <reuben> oh wait that's IRC
# [18:11] <bwinton> reuben wins! :)
# [18:12] <Yoric> Plus my code actually does not show up in omni.jar, which is probably worrysome.
# [18:12] <nigelb> reuben++
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# [18:12] <jwir3> reuben++
# [18:12] <reuben> \o/ it's raining karma
# [18:12] <nigelb> on that note, firebot's karma module is not loaded :P
# [18:12] <Yoric> Strike that, it does show up.
# [18:12] <hub> bwinton: like Facebook?
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# [18:13] <Yoric> But it is still not updated.
# [18:13] <nigelb> Yoric: You did restart firefox right?
# [18:13] <bwinton> hub: Yeah, kinda… :)
# [18:13] <Yoric> Well, I restarted xpcshell.
# [18:13] <Yoric> Actually, both xpcshell and Firefox.
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# [18:15] <hub> bwinton: that explain why I don't have email. I don't have facebook
# [18:16] <bwinton> hub: Well, it's more like Diaspora, then. Federated, and open source, and all…
# [18:16] <Yoric> nigelb: any other suggestion?
# [18:16] <reuben> yammer is open source?
# [18:16] <reuben> oh, email is ;)
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# [18:17] <hub> bwinton: you mean "nobody uses it"?
# [18:17] <jprmc> ehsan: any reason that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650553 is not landed yet?
# [18:17] <hub> reuben: not when you use Mail.app
# [18:17] * jprmc wonders if it still applies
# [18:17] <hub> :-D
# [18:18] <nigelb> Yoric: wait, why do you have omni.jar?
# [18:18] <nigelb> do you have the package option turned on?
# [18:19] <Yoric> Actually, I thought that I was looking at omni.jar with resource://, but I am not.
# [18:19] <reuben> Yoric, I suggest using a flat chrome and setting nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache to true
# [18:19] <Yoric> My bad. But I still have the issue.
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# [18:20] <msucan> erione: done
# [18:20] <msucan> erione: so, what do you need help with?
# [18:21] <nigelb> Yoric: heh, that's no beyond my knowledge (of note, I'm fairly new as well)
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# [18:21] <Yoric> reuben: set the preference, relaunched Firefox, no change
# [18:21] <erione> msucan: i saw 2-3 tests, but they all look different, especially the functions in them,so i am not sure which test should i copy for creating a new one
# [18:21] <Yoric> reuben: not sure what else I can do about "flat chrome"
# [18:21] <Yoric> nigelb: thanks for trying :)
# [18:22] <reuben> Yoric, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JAR_Packaging#Chrome_packaging_formats
# [18:22] <msucan> erione: let me look into it and i'll suggest you one
# [18:22] <erione> msucan: ok
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# [18:23] <Yoric> reuben: thanks, rebuild in progress
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# [18:24] <reuben> Yoric, flat chrome lets you edit the files in place, and with disable_xul_cache you can just open a new window to test your changes
# [18:24] <msucan> erione: there's browser_webconsole_completion.js which looks like a good start
# [18:24] <msucan> erione: what do you think?
# [18:25] <Yoric> reuben: thanks for the tips. However, I really wonder why I encounter the issue in the first place.
# [18:25] <erione> ok, let me check
# [18:25] <reuben> Yoric, did you rename/remove/delete your omni.ja file after unzipping it?
# [18:25] <erione> msucan: yes it seems so...
# [18:25] <Yoric> reuben: I have uploaded the Makefile.in of my directory, just in case.
# [18:25] <erione> thanks
# [18:25] <msucan> erione: you're welcome
# [18:25] <Yoric> reuben: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1395328
# [18:26] <msucan> let me know if you have further questions
# [18:26] <Yoric> reuben: Just to be clear, I am working on mozilla-central, not on an add-on.
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# [18:26] <ted2> AzureBackend skia
# [18:26] * ted2 wonders why that is like that on mac
# [18:26] <ted2> philor: pong
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# [18:28] <philor> ted2: spent all day yesterday witch-hunting WinPGO bustage causing "LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::BuildImage" in nswindowmediator.cpp, backed out the witch and got two green runs, then got busted again, wondering if it's really those patches fault
# [18:29] <ted2> urk
# [18:29] <philor> oh, look, now I've got LinuxPGO bustage on my backout
# [18:29] <NeilAway> back... wait
# [18:29] <ted2> so that's an internal compiler error
# [18:29] <ted2> which are awesomely hard to figure out
# [18:29] <philor> Error: cannot open display: :2
# [18:30] <philor> perhaps I'll blame that one on jhford-buildduty
# [18:30] <ted2> if it's consistently in the same file, then changes in that file are usually a good target
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# [18:30] <Waldo> derf: ping?
# [18:30] <jhford-buildduty> philor: logs?
# [18:30] <philor> jhford-buildduty: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7800130&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [18:31] <philor> should be a WFM'ed bug on that, too
# [18:32] * philor stabs quicksearch for looking for something in the product/component "2"
# [18:32] <jhford-buildduty> philor: there is an Xvfb running on display 2, must have crashed during that run
# [18:32] <ted2> except nsWindowMediator.cpp hasn't changed in a month and a half
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# [18:33] <philor> jhford-buildduty: bug 702482
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# [18:34] <philor> crap, to retrigger it I have to retrigger all three PGO builds
# [18:34] <philor> oh well, I don't mind a second one on Win
# [18:35] <taras> Pike: i have no useful opinion on that
# [18:35] <taras> Pike: you'd have to ask me a more specific q
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# [18:36] <Pike> taras: do we have any store that you'd recommend? .properties sounds like it might not be ideal, sqlite is also frowned up these days? or really just require an online store for the long tail of that data?
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# [18:37] <taras> sqlite is a bad idea
# [18:37] <taras> i can say that
# [18:37] <taras> json works well
# [18:37] <taras> depending on size of dataset
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# [18:38] <Pike> taras: the size is "all languages of the world" plus all regions, I guess
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# [18:39] <ted2> philor: can you link me a failed PGO build log?
# [18:39] <taras> Pike: what is that in bytes?
# [18:40] <philor> ted2: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7799426&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [18:40] <Pike> taras: don't know, one of my questions to GPHemsley
# [18:41] <philor> if you stop it loading quickly, that'll have the download link on ftp.m.o at the top, if you don't want to load it in the browser - should only be a few hangs with 8GB or more
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# [18:44] <sdwilsh> are we shipping camera support in anything yet? MDN isn't being helpful here (nor is bing), but I recall seeing activity about it.
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# [18:48] <reuben> sdwilsh, xul fennec supports capturing pictures directly from camera for <input>, if that's what you're referring to
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# [18:48] <gcp> I think native has the code for that too
# [18:49] <reuben> http://johnhammink.blogspot.com/2011/11/lets-have-look-at-some-recently-landed.html
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# [18:51] <sdwilsh> reuben: that didn't land in desktop versions though, did it?
# [18:51] <reuben> I'm 99.567% sure it didn't
# [18:53] <sdwilsh> yeah, I just tried it
# [18:53] <sdwilsh> sadfaces
# [18:53] <sdwilsh> thanks!
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# [19:02] <gcp> dcamp: ping
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# [19:02] <dcamp> gcp: hola
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# [19:03] <gcp> dcamp: do you think the SafeOutputStream thing is blocking to land it? (Do you see anything stopping it from landing now?)
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# [19:06] <dcamp> gcp: the safeoutputstream thing should be done before shipping. That can lead pretty easily to resetting the db, which hurts the functionality.
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# [19:06] <dcamp> but an argument could be made that getting the testing earlier is worth landing without that.
# [19:07] <dcamp> if it's fixed quickly in a followup
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# [19:08] <dcamp> that is the question.
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# [19:12] <johnath> bjacob: is it at all surprising/bug worthy to you that webgl demos crash fennec native on my galaxy s2?
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# [19:15] <jwir3> ah. nvm, found it
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# [19:20] <bsmedberg> jimm: ping
# [19:20] <jimm> bsmedberg: pong
# [19:20] <bsmedberg> jimm: my comment in bug 679240 was mainly that I didn't think that we needed to deal with system sleep directly at all
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# [19:21] <bsmedberg> that the double-timeout solution from the hang monitor would work just as well and usually be less code
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# [19:22] <jimm> bsmedberg: I don't see how the hang monitor fixes timeouts in the channels. Are you saying you want to remove plugin timeouts?
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# [19:22] <bsmedberg> no, I'm saying you can use that technique
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# [19:22] <smaug> hard to read clang warnings and errors
# [19:22] <bsmedberg> of waiting twice for half the timeout, instead of waiting once for the whole timeout
# [19:22] <ZER0> hi there, I need to create a Worker in a sandbox. After the changes in FF8.0 I can't do that using XPCOM anymore. I saw that I can use `new Worker` in a JSM module, but it doesn't work in a sandbox. What should be the way to do it?
# [19:22] <bsmedberg> smaug: really? clang is renowned for its much more thorough and useful warnings/errors
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# [19:23] <smaug> this could very well be cause I've used to read gcc errors
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# [19:23] <bsmedberg> huh, we decided to snuggle } else { ?
# [19:23] <smaug> after using gcc 10+ years, using clang feels a bit strange
# [19:23] <jimm> bsmedberg: I'll have to take a look at the hang monitor code. sleeping for an extended period of time would not trigger a timeout with what you're doing in the hm?
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> smaug, you're near Stockholm? :)
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# [19:23] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, yes, a decade ago
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# [19:24] <bsmedberg> Ms2ger: no, I was told pretty clearly in 2004 to use }
# [19:24] <bsmedberg> else {
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# [19:24] <smaug> coding style has had } else { for ages
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> Possible, I didn't care about that in middle school ;)
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# [19:28] <derf> Waldo: Pong.
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# [19:28] <ZER0> anyone?
# [19:28] <bjacob> johnath: probably bug 684863 ? check the stack to see if it looks like it.
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# [19:29] <smaug> ZER0: ask bent
# [19:29] <bjacob> johnath: seems like a ANGLE bug that 1) we're the only ones to care about because Android native browser doesn't do webgl yet, and 2) i'm not able to fix myself. bad combo :-(
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# [19:29] <ZER0> smaug, thanks for the hint. Do you know in which timezone is? Just to be sure to meet him
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# [19:30] <smaug> he is usually in SFO/Mountain View
# [19:30] <@dbaron> bsmedberg, told by whom? I was using "} else {" in 2002 :-)
# [19:30] <ZER0> smaug, good, thanks!
# [19:30] <@dbaron> ZER0, He's in a timezone where it's 10:24am right now.
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> May be in Taipei now?
# [19:30] <@dbaron> ZER0, at least normally
# [19:31] <ZER0> dbaron, thanks a lot, I will looking for him later then. :)
# [19:31] <bsmedberg> dbaron: I don't remember whether it was brendan or jkeiser
# [19:31] <Waldo> derf: -> #media
# [19:31] <@dbaron> bsmedberg, um, jseng uses "} else {" pretty consistently
# [19:31] <@dbaron> bsmedberg, so I'd have to guess jkeiser
# [19:32] <@dbaron> mozilla/js/src $ grep else *.cpp | grep "{" | grep -v "}" | wc -l
# [19:32] <@dbaron> 10
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# [19:32] <@dbaron> mozilla/js/src $ grep else *.cpp | grep "{" | grep "}" | wc -l
# [19:32] <@dbaron> 907
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# [19:33] <reuben> I've seen both styles in browser.js, but }\n else { had more uses
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> derf, do you know about libvpx's integers? Waldo might be interested :)
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# [19:33] <Waldo> Ms2ger: -> #media if you want in
# [19:34] <bjacob> johnath: to be clear, i am considering disabling ANGLE shader validation on Mobile until this crash is fixed. This will remove the crash, but also make us incorrectly accept ill-formed shaders which might ease exploitation of security bugs that might be present in drivers.
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# [19:34] <johnath> bjacob: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-41d3a3c4-5aa2-4d40-aa24-fbdd92111118
# [19:34] <bsmedberg> that doesn't sound like the correct tradeoff
# [19:35] <johnath> (aside - that was non-trivial to paste to you from my phone :)
# [19:35] <bjacob_meeting> johnath: this is completely different from what I've seen. Please file!
# [19:35] <johnath> bjacob_meeting: will do
# [19:35] <bjacob_meeting> johnath: also, this doesn't seem webgl-related, from the stack
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# [19:36] <bernd> I just produced a PR_MIN snafu out of habit, is there list of depreciated constructs?
# [19:36] <bsmedberg> argh, I can't look at patches to xpcom/reflect/xptcall/src/md/win32/Makefile.in without my eyes glazing over
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# [19:39] <Ms2ger> bernd, PR_MIN and friends are listed in the style guide
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# [19:39] <jdm> bernd: if it starts with PR_, look askance
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> That, too
# [19:40] <jdm> "Starts with PR? It won't go far."
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# [19:40] <jdm> say that to yourself every night before going to sleep
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# [19:40] <jcranmer|away> espindola: I see you're interested in TB storage formats :-)
# [19:41] <espindola> jcranmer|away, I am interested in it reading maildir
# [19:41] <espindola> writing a blog post on the setup I am currently using
# [19:41] <ehsan> just for the record, somebody had pinged me in that channel, and I've lost the scrollback
# [19:41] <jcranmer|away> maybe we should just start deprecating everything in nspr
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# [19:42] <bernd> Ms2ger: that is what I was looking for, if only http://beaufour.dk/jst-review/ would flag that ;-)
# [19:43] <Ms2ger> Does anybody still use that? :)
# [19:43] <bernd> I do to avoid whitespace nits
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# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Meh, perl
# [19:44] <bernd> but if there is something better available I am eager to use
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# [19:45] <Waldo> we should just have a commit hook check for style issues
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# [19:45] <Ms2ger> One that checks Gecko-style, of course :)
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# [19:45] <bernd> Waldo: the beauty here is that it warn before any commit is even thought of
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# [19:46] <Waldo> bernd: people would learn pretty quickly; short run might be uncomfortable, sure
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# [19:47] <tbsaunde> Waldo: I don't want to think about the style fight that would cause
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# [19:48] <Waldo> tbsaunde: I don't much, either, but I think we have style fights galore already, so there would be no real difference
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# [19:48] <bernd> Waldo: a commit hook without a possibility to verify before is just unfair
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# [19:48] <Waldo> bernd: we already have that in the commit hook to check for a bug number, don't we?
# [19:49] <Waldo> bernd: although, I think you can import those commit hooks into local repos, it's just kind of painful
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# [19:49] <jdm> surkov++
# [19:49] <ted2> hrmph
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# [19:49] <ted2> i think irccloud keeps killing my browser
# [19:49] * ted2 shakes fist
# [19:50] <ted2> philor: man, i do not see anything obvious about that PGO compiler crash
# [19:50] <bernd> Waldo: a hook if you try to attach a patch to bugzilla would be the perfect place
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# [19:50] <Waldo> bernd: there's a place for attaching WIPs
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# [19:50] <philor> ted2: bent pointed out that the nightly on the push after his succeeded, so now I'm trying to blame it on a need for a clobber
# [19:51] <philor> which isn't going to explain anything, but will at least get rid of the need for me to go on eight hour witch hunts
# [19:51] <Waldo> bernd: anyway, not much concerned about when/where, do think it would be better to have something preventing bad style (however defined, even if quite loosely) from entering the tree
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# [19:51] <ted2> mmm
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# [19:51] <ted2> philor: yeah, that sounds like a rational plan
# [19:52] <smaug> ted2: does IRCcloud cause bad CC times?
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# [19:52] <smaug> I haven't managed to get IRCcloud running at all
# [19:52] <ted2> smaug: it's possible
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# [19:52] <smaug> so haven't really managed to test it
# [19:52] <ted2> it needs flash, i think
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# [19:52] <ted2> when i sample my hung browser it seems to be always in CC
# [19:52] <tbsaunde> jdm: what for?
# [19:53] <smaug> ted2: could you test a tryserver build?
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# [19:53] <jdm> tbsaunde: the large number of mentored bugs, with pointers to what needs changing
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# [19:53] <smaug> ted2: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/opettay@mozilla.com-1c7954136907/
# [19:53] <jdm> he's doing a great job
# [19:53] <tbsaunde> jdm: ok, well, its hopefully faster than fixing them ourselves :)
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# [19:53] <ted2> smaug: what would i be looking for/
# [19:54] <espindola> jcranmer|away, http://blog.mozilla.com/respindola/2011/12/07/reading-email/
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# [19:54] <smaug> ted2: that tryserver build may help with CC times
# [19:54] <smaug> it does not reduce memory usage (which is possibly a bug in IRCCloud itself)
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# [19:55] <mccr8> ted2 smaug: yes, IRCcloud causes leakiness and slow CC in Firefox. see bug 700645
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# [19:56] <ted2> it's just annoying :-/
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# [20:01] <smaug> ted2: mccr8: I wonder if http://timtaubert.de/2011/12/firefox-add-on-websockets-for-irccloud/ changes the behavior
# [20:01] <smaug> what if the leak is somewhere in Flash<->JS part of IRCcloud
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# [20:02] <edmorley> philor|away: sorry was working, only just seen the scrollback. Guess needing a clobber would explain it, fingers crossed :-)
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# [20:27] <jhammel> Waldo: see ya in a month!
# [20:27] <Waldo> yeah :-\
# [20:27] <jhammel> if they don't lock you up first
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# [20:27] <Waldo> if I can find my way back, might not have refs to get back then
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# [20:29] <brendan> bsmedberg: I've followed K&R and DMR (RIP) on } else { since forever
# [20:29] <brendan> bsmedberg: so it wasn't me
# [20:29] <brendan> bsmedberg: me >> jkeiser :-|
# [20:29] <brendan> (dmr >> me)
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# [20:32] <catlee> doublec: ok to land on m-c?
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# [20:32] <philor> heh
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# [20:32] <Waldo> somebody tell me what's obviously wrong with this git command? git clone http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=webm/libvpx.git libvpx
# [20:32] <Waldo> it gives me "fatal: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=webm/libvpx.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?"
# [20:33] <catlee> can you clone through gitweb?
# [20:33] <Mook_as> Waldo: you're cloning from gitweb (a html viewer, like viewvcs), not the repo?
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# [20:33] <tbsaunde> Waldo: its just a gues but that url seems fishy
# [20:33] <Waldo> Mook_as: am I? I assumed copying the URL listed on http://www.webmproject.org/code/ would Do The Right Thing
# [20:33] <derf> Waldo: You want http://git.chromium.org/webm/libvpx.git
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# [20:34] <derf> The URL you have is to the gitweb instance, not the actual repository.
# [20:34] * Waldo wonders how he was supposed to intuit that from the URLs listed on that page
# [20:34] <Waldo> er
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# [20:35] <Waldo> I could have sworn I copied the right URL!
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# [20:35] <Mook_as> from the table that says "pull http://git.chromium.org/webm/libvpx.git" presumably ;)
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# [20:36] <Waldo> dolske: libvpx has a file that defines stdint.h types, incompatibly with the ones I want to add for bug 704313
# [20:36] <derf> Waldo: The bigger problem is if you visit the gitweb page, it doesn't have a link to the actual repository.
# [20:36] <dolske> ahh
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# [20:36] <derf> Which always annoys the gekk out of me.
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# [20:36] <catlee> I guess there's no sheriff in town?
# [20:36] <Waldo> I am not sure if this problem manifested itself just in the last week, or what
# [20:37] <Waldo> I could have sworn I compiled and didn't hit the problem at the time, but I didn't see revision history suggesting an obvious change that introduced the problem in that time
# [20:37] <jhammel> sheppy: is there an option for dev.m.o save+ continue editing?
# [20:37] <jhammel> (or should there be?)
# [20:37] <sheppy> jhammel: no, but there will be on the Kuma wiki.
# [20:38] <sheppy> That said, it uses local storage to cache your work so if you crash or accidentally close your tab you ought not to lose it.
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# [20:38] <jhammel> sheppy: yeah, i'm just a manic saver
# [20:38] <jhammel> something about not trust any software... ;)
# [20:38] <sheppy> jhammel: I am too. I just save and then click edit again. It's not ideal. :)
# [20:38] * jhammel too
# [20:38] <sheppy> Which is why I requested that feature for Kuma.
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# [20:39] <jhammel> heh
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> catlee, there is never a sheriff in town
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Except for edmorley
# [20:40] <sheppy> jhammel: I think in fact that's already implemented in Kuma. The editor is mostly done now I think.
# [20:40] <edmorley> Ms2ger: heh :-)
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# [20:43] <philor> catlee: filed and starred it, though as the tree status says, unless you really need m-c you should want to use inbound instead
# [20:43] <Enn> cd ..
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# [20:43] <Enn> bah
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Enn@#developers:/home$
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# [20:46] <mak> bash": bah: command not found
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> No command 'bah' found, did you mean:
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Command 'bch' from package 'bikeshed' (universe)
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> bah: command not found
# [20:48] <lurking> gerv: looks like user needs some love https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708338
# [20:48] <catlee> philor: how often does inbound get merged?
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> catlee, whenever someone feels like it
# [20:49] <lurking> catlee: usually once or twice a day on average
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> Once or twice a day, I'd estimate
# [20:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dfff3e59ef23 - Olli Pettay - Bug 701071, optimize PostHandleEvent, r=jst
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> Also, using m-c is perfectly fine if you tested your patches, inbound is primarily for lazy people
# [20:50] <mak> is fine if you also star your oranges
# [20:50] <mak> otherwise it's not
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> Indeed
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# [20:51] <jbuck> question for the uninitiated, what does starring your oranges mean?
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> An orange is a test failure
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> Starring it is noting the relevant bug
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# [20:52] <jbuck> ahh
# [20:52] <philor> Ms2ger: that is not true
# [20:52] <philor> Ms2ger: very very not true, and harmful
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# [20:53] <Ms2ger> philor?
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# [20:53] <philor> if you tested your patches, you star your failures, AND you are committed to staying awake as long as it takes, even if you have to retrigger something, then have to back out, then have trouble with your backout push
# [20:54] <mak> apropos, where did official sheriffs go? does anybody still care about the schedule?
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# [20:55] <no_gravity> Hello! Do you guys can think of an easy way to swith all font colors on a website to black?
# [20:55] <no_gravity> If there was a way to do that, I would use it all the time.
# [20:55] <no_gravity> If its not possible, ill write a bookmarklet for it.
# [20:55] <Ms2ger> * { color: black; }
# [20:55] <jhammel> * { color: black; } ?
# [20:55] <jhammel> dammit
# [20:55] <jwir3> haha
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# [20:56] <Ms2ger> And throw in !important for good measure
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# [20:56] <no_gravity> how would you inject the * {color: black} into the current website?
# [20:56] <no_gravity> i mean the website you are looking at?
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> Stylish?
# [20:56] <Waldo> or userContent.css
# [20:56] <no_gravity> whats stylisch, whats userContent.css?
# [20:56] * jhammel advises avoiding this for k0s.org
# [20:57] <mcpherrin> no_gravity: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
# [20:57] <jprmc> mounir: i'm curious if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556009 is still blocked on deps - the one dep it has is now closed
# [20:57] <no_gravity> mcpherrin: i prefer bookmarklets over addons.
# [20:57] <no_gravity> so what slim javascript line would make all text black?
# [20:58] <jhammel> no_gravity: http://www-archive.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#usercss
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# [20:58] <philor> and also, when you break inbound by not knowing that you needed a clobber, you slow down absolutely nobody for zero seconds, while when you break m-c because try couldn't tell you that you needed a clobber, you slow down anyone who needs to merge a project branch
# [20:58] <khuey> Jesse: yeah it's pretty much google v. everyone else
# [20:58] <khuey> er
# [20:58] <no_gravity> jhammel: i dont want to edit files. i want to hit a button and see the current website go black.
# [20:58] <khuey> jesup: ^
# [20:58] <Ms2ger> document.head.appendChild(document.createElement("link")).textContent = "* { color: black; }";
# [20:59] <jdm> no_gravity: use the style editor in FF aurora or nightly?
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# [20:59] <philor> but mostly, when you shit on m-c and I have to back you out at 10pm on a weeknight, I have to stay up until 2am, when you shit on inbound I can back you out and go right to bed
# [20:59] <no_gravity> jdm: nightly has something called "style editor"? where is it?
# [21:00] <Enn> no_gravity: you want to use the fonts/colors preferences window?
# [21:00] <no_gravity> Enn: where is that?
# [21:00] <jdm> no_gravity: under the web developer menu, or ctr+shift+i and press the style button
# [21:00] <Enn> Preferences -> Content tab, Colors button
# [21:00] <Enn> it sets it for every web site though
# [21:00] <jhammel> (or shift+f7 at least on my system)
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# [21:01] <khuey> gabor: nice stuff
# [21:01] <khuey> I'll do the review tomorrow
# [21:01] <no_gravity> Ms2ger: i pasted your line into the web console. nothing happened.
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# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Er, indeed
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> What jhammel said
# [21:02] <sheppy> Unfocused: Is strictCompatibility option in update.rdf in 10 or 11?
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# [21:03] <Ms2ger> That's my job
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# [21:03] <no_gravity> jdm: ctrl+shift+i brings up some kind of inspector. i dont see a style button.
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# [21:03] <jdm> no_gravity: look in the bottom right corner
# [21:03] <jdm> there should be HTML and Style buttons
# [21:03] <gabor> khuey: thanks!
# [21:04] <no_gravity> Enn: thats toooooo much clicks. i want to turn the text black with one click.
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# [21:04] <no_gravity> jdm: oh! im not on nightly on this machine. sorry.
# [21:04] <jdm> hmm, the style editor doesn't seem to let me add new style blocks
# [21:04] <no_gravity> so how do i do it in a bookmark?
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# [21:07] <jhammel> no_gravity: i doubt you can?
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# [21:08] <jhammel> no_gravity: if you really want a magic button you'll probably have to use an addon
# [21:08] <jhammel> (which one? i have no idea)
# [21:08] <no_gravity> jhammel: javascript is turing complete, so it can do it.
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# [21:08] * Ms2ger wonders why sicking always signs emails with "/ Jonas\n\n/ Jonas"
# [21:09] <no_gravity> jhammel: in fact someone already did it:
# [21:09] <no_gravity> http://www.megpickard.com/archive/nifty-bookmarklet-to-make-web-pages-easier-on-the-eye/
# [21:09] <no_gravity> it works!
# [21:09] <sicking> Ms2ger: "always"?
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Not always?
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Apparently not
# [21:10] <sicking> Ms2ger: it happens when I write an email, including signature. Then go up to edit some parts of it such that the signature is scrolled out. Then accidentally write a new signature
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# [21:11] <bsmedberg> didn't tbpl for try used to have a link to the downloadable builds?
# [21:11] <bsmedberg> or does that only happen after the build is finished?
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# [21:11] <mak> bsmedberg: click on a B and Go to build directory?
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# [21:11] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I would have thought that 'bash' was a closer match ;-)
# [21:11] <khuey> woah zimbra is back
# [21:12] <bsmedberg> ah thanks
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# [21:12] <bsmedberg> khuey: everyone hit it at once!
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> sicking, hmm, twice in the last 25 emails doesn't count as "always", I guess?
# [21:13] <khuey> bsmedberg: sounds like a plan
# [21:14] <bhearsum> where does Firefox put updates.xml/activeUpdate.xml when i do an update check on windows?
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# [21:14] <bhearsum> i have a really old 4.0b6 install that's not updating, and i can't find these files to aid in debugging...
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# [21:14] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, bash was 5th, after bat, bar, bam and bh :)
# [21:15] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: bah!
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# [21:15] <Ms2ger> No command 'bah' found, did you mean:
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# [21:16] <Mook_as> bhearsum: C:\Users\bhearsum\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Mozilla Firefox\ ? (assuming it's installed in C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox)
# [21:16] <bsmedberg> bhearsum: c:\users\you\AppData\Local\...
# [21:16] <bsmedberg> mook beat me to it
# [21:16] <bhearsum> hm
# [21:16] <bhearsum> i have files there, but they're 3 months old...
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# [21:16] <bhearsum> a year and 3 months actually, heh
# [21:17] <Mook_as> maybe it's stopped checking for updates?
# [21:17] <bhearsum> not according to the log
# [21:17] <bhearsum> it gives me an update URL, and then says no updates available
# [21:17] <bhearsum> when i manually hit the URL i get one though!
# [21:17] * bhearsum tries moving that directory out of the way
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# [21:21] <khuey> heh
# [21:21] <khuey> 708338 is a little harsh
# [21:21] <bhearsum> hehe
# [21:22] <jwir3> haha
# [21:22] <rs> khuey: would you be available to review the configure change in bug 708153? We want it before landing bug 481815 which could happen tomorrow.
# [21:23] * rs thought you were on vacation since you said travelling yesterday
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> He's just in college
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# [21:23] <jhammel> the 4-year vacation ;)
# [21:23] <khuey> rs: yeah, I'm going through my review queue today
# [21:23] <rs> khuey: thanks
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# [21:28] <khuey> Ms2ger: ping
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> Yo
# [21:29] <mcsmurf> mail still down? just wondering
# [21:30] <bhearsum> rs: is it possible to enable more logging for update checks than setting app.update.log = true?
# [21:30] <jhammel> mcsmurf: looks like :/
# [21:30] <rs> bhearsum: what are you looking for?
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# [21:30] <bhearsum> rs: i'm trying to figure out why this old build isn't updating - and i can't find the updates.xml/active-update.xml files anywhere
# [21:30] <rs> bhearsum: no but if it is something in the update code itself it is easy to add for the future
# [21:31] <bhearsum> ah
# [21:31] <khuey> Ms2ger: is there a reason the patch in 706010 doesn't make this check a configure error if it fails?
# [21:31] <rs> bhearsum: is it downloading the mar?
# [21:31] <bhearsum> nope - it just says "no updates available"
# [21:31] <bhearsum> when i check the update URL manually i get a <complete> that points to a MAR that is a 404
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> khuey, I guess you could do that
# [21:32] <bhearsum> so, i'm not _too_ surprised it's not updating, but i'm surprised not to find any log files
# [21:32] <Unfocused> sheppy: its currently in 11, but i'll be landing it in 10 today
# [21:32] <Ms2ger> khuey, nothing particular on my side, in any case
# [21:32] <sheppy> Unfocused: awesome, thanks
# [21:32] <khuey> ok
# [21:32] <rs> bhearsum: then setting that pref to true should give you the url. The url should tell you whether there is an update.xml advertised on the server that has an update defined
# [21:32] <bhearsum> yes
# [21:32] <bhearsum> and it does
# [21:33] <ejpbruel> hey guys
# [21:33] <rs> bhearsum: give me the url
# [21:33] <ejpbruel> i hear rumors email is back up again?
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# [21:33] <bhearsum> https://aus3.mozilla.org/update/3/Firefox/4.0b6/20100914083612/WINNT_x86-msvc/en-US/beta/Windows_NT%206.1/default/default/update.xml?force=1
# [21:33] <roc> hehe
# [21:33] <khuey> ejpbruel: this can be determined empirically ...
# [21:34] <roc> forwarding all Mozilla mail to GMail FTW
# [21:34] <rs> bhearsum: do you by chance have an url to download that build?
# [21:34] <ejpbruel> khuey: it doesnt work for me, thats why im asking
# [21:34] <bhearsum> rs: i think so....one sec
# [21:34] <khuey> ok
# [21:34] <khuey> it was working a few minutes ago
# [21:34] <khuey> ejpbruel: wfm
# [21:34] <rs> ejpbruel: are you using zimbra's web interface?
# [21:34] <jwir3> khuey: I got calendar updates a bit ago
# [21:35] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'incoming email to @mozilla.com remoured to be up || mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [21:35] <ejpbruel> rs: no, im using thunderbird
# [21:35] <ejpbruel> rs: im getting connection refused errors
# [21:35] <jwir3> ms2ger: s/remoured/rumored
# [21:35] <rs> ejpbruel: they've left imap disabled so it doesn't overwrite people's offline email
# [21:35] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'incoming email to @mozilla.com rumoured to be up || mozilla-central: OPEN || mozilla-inbound: OPEN || Next aurora uplift: 20th Dec || If you are new or want to help, see irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction'
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> Whoops
# [21:35] <jwir3> np ;)
# [21:35] <rs> they weren't able to restore everything
# [21:36] <bhearsum> rs: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/4.0b6/win32/en-US/Firefox%20Setup%204.0%20Beta%206.exe
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> heycam|away, why doesn't rAF return unsigned long?
# [21:37] <ejpbruel> what was the cause of all the fuss with email anyway?
# [21:37] <philor> is devtools/sourceeditor the scratchpad component?
# [21:38] <khuey> it blew up
# [21:40] <jimm> I only have seven emails displaying in zimbra??
# [21:40] <jimm> oh man.
# [21:40] <philor> score!
# [21:40] <jwir3> jimm: No, that's a plus ;)
# [21:40] <philor> it's like the days before sessionrestore, when a browser crash would clear out your entire todo list
# [21:40] <jwir3> jimm: No wading through days and days of email
# [21:41] <jwir3> yeah, like a snow day ;)
# [21:41] <khuey> what is snow?
# [21:41] <rs> bhearsum: that is due to bug 658066.
# [21:41] <rs> and Error: Expected certificate attribute 'commonName' value incorrect, expected: '*.mozilla.org', got: 'aus3.mozilla.org'.
# [21:41] <rs> Source File: resource://gre/modules/CertUtils.jsm
# [21:41] <rs> Line: 57
# [21:41] * jwir3 forgets not everyone knows what a snow day is.
# [21:41] <jwir3> perhaps I should have said "Hurricane Day"
# [21:42] <jwir3> for khuey's benefit
# [21:42] <khuey> ah
# [21:42] <khuey> yes
# [21:42] <khuey> those are fun
# [21:42] <khuey> haven't had one in a while :-/
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# [21:44] <Callek> bbondy: I doubt you waited, but my testing showed nothing directly wrong with your patch
# [21:44] * khuey gets to give lots of r- today
# [21:44] * Callek did not look yet to see if it already landed
# [21:44] <bhearsum> rs: ah!
# [21:44] <rs> Callek: it hasn't. There are a couple of other things to do first
# [21:44] <bhearsum> rs: thanks for looking at that
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# [21:45] <rs> bhearsum: np
# [21:45] <bhearsum> so does this mean that builds that are roughly this old and older can't update anymore?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> bholley, no, "msgstr" doesn't refer to me :)
# [21:46] <catlee> wow, today's nightly is pretty crashtastic
# [21:47] * NeilAway wonders whether dbaron saw his followup on bug 698256
# [21:47] <jhammel> Ms2ger: what about MSG:ERR?
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> You're onto me!
# [21:48] <khuey> woah there's a b2g folder now
# [21:48] <bholley> Ms2ger: ;-)
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# [21:49] <Ms2ger> bholley, and you forgot the actual r+ :)
# [21:49] <bholley> Ms2ger: what's the etymology of your name, anyway
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# [21:50] <bholley> Ms2ger: (granted)
# [21:50] <Ms2ger> bholley, a well kept secret
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# [21:51] <bholley> heh
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# [21:55] <KWierso> catlee: do you have stylish installed, perchance?
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# [21:56] <catlee> KWierso: I do
# [21:56] <KWierso> try disabling it
# [21:56] <bjarne> !seen josh
# [21:56] <firebot> josh was last seen 23 hours, 51 minutes and a second ago, saying 'bsmith: maybe ehsan?' in #developers.
# [21:56] <KWierso> catlee: bug 708248
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# [21:57] <catlee> thanks
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# [21:58] <rs> bhearsum: only the builds with the cert check that point to aus2
# [21:58] <catlee> yeah, crash signatures look right
# [21:58] <rs> since it is now redirected to aus3
# [21:58] <bhearsum> rs: ah
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# [22:11] <khuey> rs: was there other update service stuff for me to review, or was that the same patch in a different bug?
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# [22:13] <rs> khuey: same patch in a different bug... just wanted to minimize what you or ted would have to review
# [22:13] <khuey> ok
# [22:13] <khuey> thanks
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# [22:17] <jesup> blizzard: BTW, you didn't have to declare email bankruptcy for the entire company... :-)
# [22:18] <blizzard> :)
# [22:18] <Ms2ger> And act smug about it as well ;)
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# [22:27] <@bz> akeybl: ping
# [22:28] <akeybl> bz: hey
# [22:28] <@bz> akeybl: that JS bug is not mac-only
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# [22:28] <@bz> akeybl: I tried to respond to your mail, but the new rel-driver list is moderated, post only by member
# [22:28] <@bz> akeybl: (and of course the mozilla.com stuff is still down)
# [22:29] <akeybl> joduinn: can we fix that? ^^
# [22:29] <akeybl> oh sorry I saw the architecture as Mac
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# [22:29] <@bz> akeybl: ah. That's been updated since, I think
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# [22:30] <akeybl> bz: thanks for the heads up - just commented in 697861
# [22:30] <@bz> akeybl: no problem
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# [22:32] <joduinn> akeybl: huh?
# [22:33] <akeybl> can mozilla_release_drivers accept emails from people not on the list?
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# [22:33] <joduinn> akeybl: not advised, for spam. I've moderated the 2 msgs that were there just now
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# [22:34] <akeybl> ah ok, understood
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# [22:34] <joduinn> akeybl: also, can you see/use "real" release-drivers@mozilla.org? I'm being told by IT that it is working, but havent had a change to verify
# [22:35] <akeybl> I'm about to send an email to both so maybe that will tell us
# [22:35] <nthomas> it's wfm, via zimbra
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# [22:37] <Callek> joduinn: I'm getting the suspicion that many of your forwarded messages got tossed into r-d@m.o spam/mod queue
# [22:38] <Callek> joduinn: since I don't see all the ones that I got since you added me
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# [22:39] <Callek> oooo nevermind looks like they just got pushed through
# [22:40] <Callek> or rather "some" :/
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# [22:40] <Waldo> akeybl: keep in mind that the OS/arch for a bug are inherited from the browser of the person that filed it, by default, and a fair number of people are lazy about fixing it; unless the bug contains an indicator of being OS-specific, those fields are often lies
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# [22:45] <jhammel> sheppy: just curious....will this mysterious kuma allow inline editing, or is there an edit more like MDN
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# [22:46] <mick_laptop> sid0: 10:45 < cshields> official update coming soon, but yeah for those who have found their way into the web ui those errors are expected and will go away as the message blobs are recovered over time
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# [22:47] <mick_laptop> just remembered what you mentioned earlier
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# [22:51] <cdleary> bz: ping
# [22:51] <@bz> cdleary: ack
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# [22:51] <cdleary> bz: seemingly random question -- when we bubble false up on an OOM from the JSAPI, do we actually handle it sanely?
# [22:52] <cdleary> bz: i.e. do we start some low-memory recovery procedures or something
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# [22:52] <philor> mbrubeck: filed bug 708403 on maybe getting back to where we don't have to star oranges manually, like *animals*
# [22:52] <jhammel> ;)
# [22:53] <@bz> cdleary: generally speaking, no
# [22:53] <mbrubeck> But then what would I do with my time? *Work*? Spend time with my family?
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# [22:53] <@bz> cdleary: I think JSAPI false is generally treated by the browser as "some sort of error, bail out"
# [22:53] <sheppy> jhammel: what do you mean by "inline editing"?
# [22:53] <cdleary> bz: even when there's an out of memory being reported on the context?
# [22:54] <@bz> cdleary: we don't examine what's on the context, generally
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# [22:54] <@bz> cdleary: at least in the gecko side code
# [22:54] <mbrubeck> philor: hmm, I wonder if I can hack a workaround to this with Greasemonkey or something...
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# [22:54] <cdleary> bz: I mean, I'm sure it's tough as a general solution because you don't know how to restart the thing that just failed
# [22:55] <philor> mbrubeck: don't think so, since I think it's happening in the server-side chunk, but I could be wrong
# [22:55] <cdleary> bz: I'm just trying to figure out if what we do, with the bubbling, is better in some practical sense that the forced crash that V8 does
# [22:55] <mbrubeck> oh, darn
# [22:55] <cdleary> bz: s/that/than
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# [22:55] <cdleary> bz: it is in the sense that they take out a tab group in a single process instead of the whole browser
# [22:55] <@bz> cdleary: right
# [22:55] <cdleary> bz: but if there's no hope for recovery it's kind of useless anyway
# [22:56] <@bz> cdleary: so the theory of infallible malloc in Gecko is that at some point we'll add recovery on the allocator level
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# [22:56] <aki> nightly seems to be crashing when i right click on links
# [22:56] <@bz> cdleary: as in, if malloc fails, try to get more memory, then try again, then crash
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# [22:57] <cdleary> bz: yeah, so the hope is that in the future bubbling will actually matter, if not right now
# [22:57] <@bz> cdleary: in general, we've been moving to infallible malloc in Gecko except for allocations whose size is under page control
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# [22:57] <@bz> cdleary: so if a page tries to allocate a huge string, reporting the OOM is fine
# [22:57] <@bz> cdleary: because we're not really out of memory; just out of memory for that one ginormous allocation
# [22:57] <@bz> cdleary: but if you tried to allocate 8 bytes and failed, might as well just crash
# [22:57] <@bz> cdleary: imho
# [22:58] <cdleary> bz: so we are practically better in the sense that, by bubbling false up to Gecko, some allocation is likely to be performed, at least triggering the infallible malloc countermeasures
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# [22:59] <@bz> cdleary: which don't exist yet, but sure. ;)
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# [22:59] <cdleary> bz: which I guess implies that The Future will have the JS engine using infallible malloc as well
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# [22:59] <cdleary> bz: because that's the natural course, if that's the practical benefit -- at which point bubbling becomes useless again :-)
# [23:01] <@bz> cdleary: yeah, agreed
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# [23:01] <@bz> cdleary: again, except for allocations directly under content contro
# [23:01] <@bz> er, control
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# [23:04] <cdleary> bz: yeah, for user-controlled variable-sized allocation it seems like our story is worse, because V8 can force a crash and only effect the one process tab group, whereas we have to keep the browser up, so that's where we really need the bubbling
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# [23:04] <cdleary> bz: sad face! thanks for talking it though, though :-)
# [23:05] <Waldo> anyone seeing anything like |TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | xpccheck | test test_457698_crash.js is missing from test manifest toolkit/components/places/tests/unit/xpcshell.ini!| building on Windows?
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# [23:06] <jesup> cdleary: (and bz) - we're looking (again) at hooking up memory pressure events to drop certain data, like decoded image data(!). Probably a few different levels or modes of operation, depending on if we're focused or now, how recently we've been interacted with, etc. And also levels of severity - we think we're about to page or just started paging, versus we're out of memory and are going...
# [23:06] <jesup> ...to crash, dammnit. Talk to jlebar; he's covering this
# [23:07] <jesup> we chatted over some of this yesterday in the #memshrink weekly call
# [23:07] <Waldo> my builds have been clobbers, fwiw, too
# [23:07] <Waldo> although I hit it in dep builds as well
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# [23:08] <cdleary> jesup: cool! thanks for the info
# [23:08] <jesup> mick_laptop: so, did it help?
# [23:08] <roc> cdleary: crashing and possibly taking out a bunch of seemingly-unrelated tabs isn't really a great solution either
# [23:09] <jesup> roc++
# [23:09] <cdleary> roc: agreed, but process isolation saves them face with little engineering overhead in the common case
# [23:09] <derf> I would argue with "little engineering overhead".
# [23:10] <khuey> process isolation is "little engineering overhead"?
# [23:10] <cdleary> no, I did not mean that process isolation is little engineering overhead, I meant that their OOM handling is simple... just crash
# [23:10] <cdleary> we, on the other hand, have loads of untested OOM path code
# [23:11] <cdleary> which I am arguing is a tax
# [23:11] <cdleary> not that I really want to get into a religious argument over that, I was just wondering whether we had any practical advantages for doing it the way we do
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# [23:12] <khuey> well just crashing the single process is easy too ;-)
# [23:13] <@bz> cdleary: this is why gecko's moved to infallible malloc, yeah
# [23:13] <@bz> cdleary: because the code is so much simpler
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# [23:15] <mcpherrin> What does it mean for an xpcshell test to be "pending"?
# [23:16] <Callek> that it hasn't run yet, but will
# [23:16] <@bz> queued up
# [23:16] <@bz> not dispatched to any machine to run so far
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# [23:17] <edmorley> bz: not sure if you saw this in your scrollback the other day: bz: before I land the patch in bug 643167 I'd like to make sure it doesn't break configure in your local standalone js builds (like the original issue in bug 605133 comment 22 did) if that's ok? (not urgent, just didn't want to leave it a week or two and find it had gotten lost in scrollback)
# [23:17] <mcpherrin> I ran it with SOLO_FILE =foo make -C bar check-one and it exits ~ immediately saying "test 1 pending"
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# [23:22] <@bz> edmorley: I didn't see that, no
# [23:22] <@bz> edmorley: maybe mail me?
# [23:22] <edmorley> bz: will do, thanks :-)
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# [23:22] <@bz> edmorley: I'm in the middle of other stuff right now, and that way I'll have a note to test and an address to respond to
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# [23:22] <@bz> edmorley: thanks!
# [23:24] <reuben> what is the correct way to enable silent builds?
# [23:25] <reuben> with -s I still get many thousands of lines
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# [23:27] <@bz> reuben: -s on trunk will only report compiler warnings
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# [23:27] <@bz> reuben: is that what you're seeing?
# [23:27] <reuben> bz, yes, thousands and thousands of warnings :P
# [23:27] <reuben> thanks for clearing that up
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# [23:28] <philor> edmorley: so, if the clobber of bent's WinPGO was red again, but the clobber of mayhemer's WinPGO was green, does that mean I'm now as confused as it is possible to be?
# [23:28] <@bz> can't suppress those
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# [23:28] <@bz> just redirect as needed?
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# [23:29] <mayhemer> philor: this is interesting, I've spent some time trying to reproduce on my older WinXP box with VS8.0 intalled, it is slow.. and I just ran out of 3GB space, now trying again...
# [23:30] <mayhemer> philor: in other words, is there a chance that just clobbering the build could fix the issue?
# [23:30] <mayhemer> philor: could that be intermittent?
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# [23:31] <Waldo> hm, so that .js file is deleted
# [23:31] <Waldo> wonder why my build's stumbling on it
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# [23:32] <philor> mayhemer: could be intermittent, could have needed a clobber, could be related to things other than directly what is in the patch that triggers it
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# [23:32] <edmorley> philor: :-(
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# [23:32] <edmorley> \o/ for 4 hr pgo
# [23:32] <philor> there was a failure in a11y tests on PGO builds a while back that would get triggered by a js/src/ patch, and then just moving bits of code around in the file without changing what they do would fix it
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# [23:33] <philor> on the bright side, it's an internal compiler error in an unsupported version of the compiler, so there's pretty much nothing we can do about it
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# [23:34] <edmorley> other than using it as an excuse to switch to msvc2010
# [23:34] <edmorley> :-)
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# [23:35] <philor> and I'm about twenty manual starrings of Linux M1s with multiple media/ failures away from declaring Linux M1 no longer tier 1
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# [23:37] <mak> move media tests to Mfail :)
# [23:37] <NeilAway> bz: well, except by fixing them ;-)
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# [23:37] <philor> wow, got two in a row to load, wonder if the ES db got restarted
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