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# Session Start: Thu Dec 08 00:00:00 2011
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# [00:04] * njn wonders if the condition in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1395637 can ever succeed; GCC claims it can't
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# [00:06] <Mook_as> njn: PRBool?
# [00:06] <@bz> njn: with PRBool it could have
# [00:06] <@bz> njn: at this point, it can't
# [00:06] <njn> bz: but with 'bool' seemingly not
# [00:06] <@bz> well....
# [00:06] <njn> bz: -Wlogical-ops FTW
# [00:06] <@bz> actually
# [00:06] <@bz> that's unclear
# [00:06] <@bz> or more precisely....
# [00:06] <@bz> if ReadBoolean is sane it should work
# [00:07] <njn> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/io/nsBinaryStream.cpp#474
# [00:07] <@bz> if it reinterpret_casts the pointer and writes some sort of random byte pattern there, then anything could happen
# [00:07] <njn> bz: so it does a !!x
# [00:07] <@bz> we did some experiments on this
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# [00:07] <ejpbruel> hey guys
# [00:07] <ejpbruel> the jetpack team has been having this weird issue where scrolling doesnt work properly on OSX
# [00:07] <ejpbruel> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=ejpbruel%40mozilla.com&field0-0-0=bug_status&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=UNCONFIRMED&field0-0-1=reporter&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=ejpbruel%40mozilla.com&list_id=1843276
# [00:07] <mbrubeck> and then you're in undefined-behavior land and C++ doesn't care what it does to your program
# [00:07] <@bz> where if you force a non-boolean value into bool storage, gcc will happily do weird things
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# [00:07] <ejpbruel> i want to look into this, but i have no idea where to start
# [00:07] <@bz> mbrubeck: precisely
# [00:08] <ejpbruel> can any of you point me in the right direction?
# [00:08] <njn> ugh
# [00:08] <Mook_as> njn: hah, I guess you assume people don't pass you streams they implement themselves, or override the contract id, etc. :p
# [00:08] <@bz> I think assuming that isRefValid is sane is ok here
# [00:08] * Mook_as would have thought != (bool) should have been jz/jnz anyway, so it wouldn't matter on... some architectures
# [00:09] <@bz> Mook_as: it's not necessarily
# [00:09] <Pike> ted, khuey : for gnu make, is there any difference between DIRS and PARALLEL_DIRS?
# [00:09] <@bz> Mook_as: depending on optimization levels and stuff
# [00:09] <@bz> Mook_as: I definitely managed to write a testcase recently where gcc treated a bool value as both != true and != false
# [00:09] <Mook_as> bz: ah, yes, I guess the compiler _can_ try the "be as verbose and slow as possible" mode :)
# [00:09] <@bz> Mook_as: with some appropriate casting
# [00:09] <@bz> Mook_as: s/can/does/
# [00:09] <Mook_as> :D
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# [00:10] <njn> bz: Wunused-but-set-variable seems pretty useful
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# [00:10] <njn> It's found various things
# [00:10] <khuey> Pike: yes
# [00:10] <ejpbruel> ejpbruel: anyone? :(
# [00:10] <khuey> one builds in parallel, the other doesn't
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# [00:11] <@bz> njn: yeah
# [00:11] <@bz> njn: agreed
# [00:12] <@bz> njn: esp. now that we have DebugOnly
# [00:12] <njn> bz: I'm tryiing to work out which warnings are really useful, in order to turn on -Werror=foo
# [00:12] <Pike> khuey: is there a dependency between the current dir and the subdirs?
# [00:12] <njn> bz: we already have -Werror=return-type
# [00:12] <njn> bz: it's an educational experience
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# [00:12] <njn> "oh, no sane code would ever do that... oh, it does"
# [00:12] <khuey> Pike: the commands in the current directory are always executed before things in subdirectories
# [00:12] <@bz> njn: heh
# [00:12] <mixedpuppy> is there any existing test code for testing XHR timeouts?
# [00:12] <Pike> khuey: also, I'd be curious to see where we control that, failed to see that ad hoc
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# [00:14] <klugefoo> is there an updated version of https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Building_a_component_DLL ? Vague answers arrived from google talk about FORCE_SHARED_LIB, but fail to explain why/when the change took place
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# [00:17] <zpao> heycam: alright, i tracked that sessionstore problem as much as i could. i need more help from people like enn to take the next step
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# [00:18] <heycam> zpao, ok, thanks for looking in to it!
# [00:19] <@bz> njn: ping
# [00:19] <njn> bz: pong
# [00:19] <zpao> heycam: of course. it turned out there was that other test with the same issues though not consistently (i knew my new test couldn't have been the only one!)
# [00:19] <@bz> njn: can you take a quick look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689443#c7 ?
# [00:19] <@bz> njn: I'm pretty sure it's the right thing, but just to make sure
# [00:20] <njn> bz: looking
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# [00:21] <khuey> Pike: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/makefiles/target_export.mk#66
# [00:21] <heycam> zpao, so the root cause is something like "a js-backed treeview has its functions called by c++ after the window containing it has closed" it sounds like?
# [00:21] <njn> bz: yeah, it's ok
# [00:22] <njn> bz: I'll comment in the bug
# [00:22] <@bz> njn: thanks
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# [00:22] <zpao> heycam: something like that. the window isn't really being closed though. in those tests we're overwriting the open about:sessionrestore tab (with the treeview)
# [00:22] <njn> bz: are you asking about 4096 vs 256?
# [00:22] <njn> or if we need something slightly smaller than 4096?
# [00:22] <@bz> njn: well, and whether 4096 is the right value in general
# [00:22] * mak may have introduced an orange
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# [00:23] <zpao> heycam: though for some definition of window, you might be right
# [00:23] <Pike> khuey: wow, I hadn't run across those yet. all I knew was rules.mk and config.mk
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# [00:23] <Pike> times have changed, clearly
# [00:23] <mak> philor edmorley if you see failures in test_421180.js I'm looking into it. I think I know what happens
# [00:23] <khuey> those are new
# [00:23] <khuey> very new
# [00:23] <khuey> stuff got split out of rules.mk
# [00:23] <heycam> zpao, ok
# [00:23] <njn> bz: any power-of-two is reasonable, the exact size depends on how many things get allocated out of the arena and how many arenas there are
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# [00:24] <@bz> njn: this is an on-stack arena
# [00:24] <@bz> njn: so I only care that it doesn't fragment other things
# [00:24] <njn> bz: the |PLArenaPool| might be on-stack, but all the allocations done within it are on the heap
# [00:24] <@bz> sure
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# [00:25] <edmorley> mak: thanks :-)
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# [00:25] <@bz> Point being we'll deallocate them before this function returns
# [00:25] <@bz> so my main goal is that they don't fragment the heap
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# [00:26] <@bz> and I don't care if we overallocate a bit because it's so short-lived
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# [00:27] <njn> bz: fragmenting the heap shouldn't be a problem, it's all powers-of-two, I think jemalloc should handle that ok
# [00:27] <njn> bz: you're worried that a 256 byte allocation will cause more external fragmentation in jemalloc than a 4096 allocation?
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# [00:29] <@bz> njn: I'm worried that it might cause jemalloc to allocate more pages that it then can't unmap
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# [00:29] <@bz> njn: whereas it seems like a 4096 allocation will let it unmap the whole page
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# [00:30] <njn> bz: so that I'm not sure about. On questions like that, I tend to assume jemalloc knows what it's doing -- power-of-two allocations should be easy for it to handle
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# [00:30] <njn> jlebar might know more
# [00:30] <jlebar> Wait, bz is up?
# [00:30] <@bz> heh
# [00:30] * @bz is about to go have dinner
# [00:30] <@bz> in fact, I'm getting glares
# [00:30] <@bz> later
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# [00:30] <jlebar> lol
# [00:31] <@bz_dinner> but I'd love an answer to the above
# [00:31] <jlebar> bz_dinner: reading, yes.
# [00:31] <jlebar> njn: I didn't get the whole conversation; would you mind pastebinning? Or is there nothing important before "I'm worried it might cause jemalloc to allocate more pages."
# [00:31] <njn> jlebar: the question is "will a short-lived (or many short-lived) 256 byte allocations fragment the heap more than 4096 byte allocations would"
# [00:32] <njn> jlebar: my take is that if we have to micro-manage jemalloc at that level, we need a better allocator
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# [00:33] <jlebar> njn: well… Do we have other allocations of the same size class intervening?
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# [00:33] <khuey> you should always prefer a single large allocation to multiple small allocations, no?
# [00:33] <jlebar> In general, yeah.
# [00:34] <jlebar> But if there are no other allocations of the same size class intervening, then it shouldn't add to fragmentation.
# [00:34] <njn> jlebar: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689443#c7 is the speicfic case
# [00:34] <khuey> jlebar: right
# [00:34] <njn> it's a plarenaPool
# [00:34] <jlebar> In fact, the smaller allocations may be faster.
# [00:34] <njn> so all the allocations will be the same size
# [00:34] <gavin> man, dom mochitests take forever
# [00:34] <khuey> that's cause you're running the w3c ones
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# [00:35] <khuey> jlebar: but we're concerned about fragmentation, not speed
# [00:35] <khuey> AIUI
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# [00:35] <jlebar> khuey: sure...
# [00:35] * jlebar continues to read.
# [00:36] <khuey> also, you can never guarantee that there are no intervening allocations
# [00:36] <khuey> threads and whatnot
# [00:37] <jlebar> khuey: well, if we were on a new version of jemalloc, threads would be mostly separated...
# [00:37] <khuey> (well, I suppose depending on how your allocator works ...)
# [00:37] <khuey> yeah
# [00:37] <mak> edmorley: pushed a fix
# [00:37] <khuey> that's an interesting question
# [00:37] <jlebar> khuey: but we use one arena, for some reason.
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# [00:37] <khuey> I wouldn't assume that the choices made years ago have any logic behind htem
# [00:38] <NeilAway> klugefoo: probably something to do with "fakelibs"
# [00:38] <jlebar> khuey: oh, there's logic. "We don't want to deal with the overhead of multiple arenas." But whether it's backed by any factual evidence...
# [00:39] <khuey> right
# [00:39] <khuey> my point exactly
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# [00:42] <khuey> heycam: is there a stable link to the text that is currently the latest draft of webidl?
# [00:42] <heycam> khuey, latest editor's draft?
# [00:43] <heycam> khuey, http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/ for that
# [00:43] <khuey> heycam: no, I want a link to the exact text currently at that address
# [00:43] <heycam> khuey, ah yes, just a mo
# [00:43] <khuey> so that when it changes in the future
# [00:43] <khuey> I can see what I wrote my parser against
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# [00:44] <heycam> khuey, http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/WebIDL/Overview.html?rev=1.409;content-type=text%2Fhtml%3b+charset=utf-8
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# [00:45] <khuey> heycam: excellent, thanks
# [00:45] <klugefoo> NeilAway: huh, I'll search on that and see what comes up. Thanks
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# [01:03] <heycam> I can never remember whether it's mochitest or mochitests or reftest or reftests in trychooser :/
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# [01:09] <darktrojan> heycam, there's several scripts out there that will write your trychooser syntax for you
# [01:10] <heycam> darktrojan, yeah I know there's a webpage where I can click some boxes and c/p the line
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# [01:10] <mak> there's also an hg extension afaik
# [01:10] <heycam> darktrojan, seems quicker just to type it into the commit message tho!
# [01:10] <jhammel> there's also a webapp
# [01:10] <darktrojan> not if you forget what to write :-P
# [01:10] <jhammel> http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
# [01:10] <heycam> well yes ;)
# [01:10] <heycam> so what I always end up doing is looking up the trychoose wiki page and searching to see whether I need to include the "s" on the end or not :)
# [01:11] <edmorley> or just save a few mq patches with your most commonly used combinations
# [01:11] <jhammel> now all we need is an android app, an eclipse extension, and a Makefile target :P
# [01:11] <heycam> edmorley, true. currently I just have one "try" patch in my queue that I edit each time I push to try.
# [01:11] <mak> heycam: trychooser mercirual extension http://hg.mozilla.org/users/pbiggar_mozilla.com/trychooser/file/tip
# [01:11] <mak> no need to edit anything
# [01:11] <mak> that strange word was mercurial
# [01:12] <heycam> ah so it just builds the string locally and sticks it in
# [01:12] <mak> ah it actually moved to http://github.com/pbiggar/trychooser
# [01:12] <darktrojan> that is a bit OTT
# [01:13] * heycam considers adding synonyms to the hg hook
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# [01:34] <Jesse> cpearce: did you fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678994 ?
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# [01:48] <njn> who knows about image/decoders/nsPNGDecoder.cpp ?
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# [02:11] <@bz_dinner> verily
# [02:11] <@bz_dinner> there should be time moire patterns instead
# [02:11] <khuey> heh
# [02:11] <khuey> so is it expected that tbpl can't load logs?
# [02:12] <wg9s> Time is an artificial concept.
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# [02:12] <nthomas> khuey: go an example for me to look at ?
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# [02:13] <khuey> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Build-System
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# [02:13] <khuey> keeps spinning at retrieving summary
# [02:13] <khuey> if I click on the view brief log link though it works ...
# [02:13] <edmorley> khuey: bug 708403
# [02:14] <khuey> aha
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# [02:16] <philor> ctalbert: did you mean that tbpl is crippled right now, which it sure is, or that it would be crippled by not using ES, which I think tbpl only uses to pass starring between buildbot-based and tinderbox-based, which we don't do anymore
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# [02:17] <jhford-buildduty> dietrich: hey, did you guys figure out the jetpack issues?
# [02:18] <ctalbert> I understood that all the starring went into elastic search now that tinderbox was retired
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# [02:18] <ctalbert> so taking it out effectively means turning off starring and our ability to track oranges
# [02:18] <ctalbert> which seems like the wrong way to solve the issue
# [02:19] <khuey> knowing if oranges are known or are new is more important than keeping track of them
# [02:19] <khuey> imo
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# [02:19] <ctalbert> true, isn't that also querying ES?
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# [02:19] <khuey> I have no idea
# [02:20] <khuey> it's all black magic to me
# [02:20] * ctalbert thinks it is. Jgriffin knows for certain - he'll be on in a bit
# [02:20] <cpearce> Jesse: probably fixed by bug 684627.
# [02:21] <philor> I'm 98% sure that tbpl stores stars in its own db
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# [02:23] * wg9s says he is 98% sure 2% of the time.
# [02:24] <khuey> are you 2% sure the other 98% of the time?
# [02:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bb8169ddc939 - Rob Campbell - Bug 702707 - Web console is buggy in window mode; r=msucan
# [02:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc69fe7c9f26 - Rob Campbell - Bug 705731 - Create InspectorUI.notifications.DESTROYED notification; r=prouget
# [02:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/86dc0aadfbb5 - Blair McBride - Bug 679588 - Fix intermittent test timeout of browser_select_update.js, browser_select_confirm.js, and browser_select_selection.js. r=dtownsend
# [02:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6785d3003414 - Blair McBride - Merge mozilla-central to fx-team
# [02:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/109bb6c0e72a - Blair McBride - Bug 706777 - Automatically repopulate AddonRepository database on application upgrade. r=dtownsend
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# [02:24] <wg9s> It is just an old joke (re-purposed) and I am just old!
# [02:25] <ctalbert> philor: I've got the metrics guys working on the elastic search db issues, they're trying to figure out what is going on with it
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# [02:25] <dietrich> jhford-buildduty: hi! which issues?
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# [02:25] <wg9s> From My predictions are 98% accurate ... 2% of the time.
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# [02:26] <philor> ctalbert: yeah, it's not like I can actually manage to disable talking to ES, since I barely ever knew how it was wired in and it would take an IT deploy, but... corporate-wide email was down how many days? I don't want to star by hand for another week
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# [02:27] <jhford-buildduty> dietrich: i was told that you had some questions about jetpack testing being intermittent
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# [02:27] <philor> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/mstange_themasta.com/tinderboxpushlog/file/e1406c77410a/php/submitBuildStar.php#l44 - tbpl does store a copy of its own, along with wherever it is starcomment.php gets called
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# [02:28] <dietrich> jhford-buildduty: hmmm. perhaps myk did? i had questions about cedar branch - some builds have been red since we got it, which limits it's usefulness.
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# [02:28] <dietrich> jhford-buildduty: which was vaguely jetpack-related :)
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# [02:29] <dietrich> jhford-buildduty: and also about configuring that branch to do more runs of specific perf tests too, but i haven't filed a bug for that bit yet.
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# [02:29] <jhford-buildduty> dietrich: ahh, ok
# [02:29] <edmorley> Unfocused++
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# [02:30] <mcpherrin> Do we have cross-platform file locking anywhere?
# [02:30] <Unfocused> :)
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# [02:30] <Unfocused> the orange fix?
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# [02:31] <edmorley> yeah
# [02:31] <edmorley> :-)
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# [02:32] <jhford-buildduty> dietrich: ok. have you filed bugs about cedar being mainly red?
# [02:32] <Unfocused> almost 500 comments in that bug... was nice to be able to close it
# [02:32] <edmorley> windows no change builds: real 11m4.382s \o/
# [02:33] <khuey> that slow?
# [02:34] <edmorley> yeah :-/
# [02:35] <edmorley> that's about the same speed as your clobber builds yeah?
# [02:35] <ctalbert> philor: I hear you. Let's give the metrics guys a day longer to fix it, then if it's still down we'll see what we can do,. There's probably a simple choke point somewhere
# [02:35] <khuey> nah
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# [02:35] <khuey> a clobber on my laptop takes 22 or so
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# [02:49] <dietrich> jhford: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683094#c4
# [02:49] <mounir> khuey: so you want xpt.py to always do the update but have the makefile checking if it's worth doing it?
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# [02:52] <jhford-buildduty> dietrich: the last push i see is from oct 20. we don't have any logs going back that far, can you push again?
# [02:53] <nthomas> or force another set of builds on the current tip
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# [02:53] <wg9s> mounir: isn't that kind of the point of makefiles? Just sayin'!
# [02:54] <khuey> mounir: right
# [02:54] <khuey> just like how gcc works ;-)
# [02:54] <mounir> wg9s: indeed
# [02:54] <mounir> but that part of the makefile looks much more like a bash script than a makefile
# [02:54] <mounir> khuey: will try to do that that way
# [02:54] <mounir> but that's going to be more annoying :(
# [02:55] <wg9s> mounir: OIC I did not look at the actual change.
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# [02:55] <khuey> shouldn't be that hard
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# [02:56] <khuey> just replace the line that does the xptlink invocation with a $(MAKE) some-link-target
# [02:56] <khuey> and then set up a makefile rule for that target that does the linking only if necessary
# [02:56] <mounir> khuey: cool, I had that idea
# [02:57] <mounir> I was wondering if it would be okay
# [02:57] <mounir> will do that then
# [02:57] <philor> khuey: there, I fixed half your b-s orange
# [02:58] <khuey> philor: you hide the reftests on android?
# [02:58] <mbrubeck> philor: Were you looking at a Talos crash in ~nsCOMPtr_base the other day?
# [02:58] <mbrubeck> did it look like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7807340&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and did you happen to file a bug?
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# [02:59] <khuey> mounir: are you in taipei?
# [02:59] <philor> khuey: yeah, the half of the native tests that don't run
# [02:59] <khuey> heh
# [02:59] <khuey> good thing we have tegras to waste time on :-P
# [02:59] <philor> mbrubeck: yeah, I get the feeling I never filed it, though, which is too bad, catlee wishes I would have
# [02:59] <mounir> khuey: yes
# [02:59] <mbrubeck> thank goodness for second chances....
# [02:59] <khuey> mounir: when you see bent get him to get on irc please :-)
# [02:59] * mbrubeck files
# [03:00] <mounir> khuey: I will do that
# [03:00] <khuey> thanks
# [03:00] <philor> mbrubeck: I sort of wonder if it's all GC-on-Lion's fault, and we should just morph the one of those I did file for dromaeo_css into a mondo "you crash. stop that." bug
# [03:00] <mbrubeck> Yeah, I filed a GC crash for dromaeo_css too.
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# [03:01] <mbrubeck> no, wait, it's yours
# [03:01] <philor> back in an hour, gotta go be shiny happy behind-the-desk person :|
# [03:01] <mbrubeck> I think this is the one I was about to file until bugzilla told me you had just done it
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# [03:44] <jlebar> Where's the htmlelement class for iframe?
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# [03:45] <dholbert> jlebar (d'oh, gone now), I suspect http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLIFrameElement.cpp
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# [03:51] <Mossop> jlebar: <dholbert> jlebar (d'oh, gone now), I suspect http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLIFrameElement.cpp
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# [03:51] <jlebar> Mossop: dholbert thanks!
# [03:52] <jlebar> I had to move my laptop.
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# [03:52] <dholbert> jlebar, np!
# [03:52] <dholbert> Mossop, thanks!
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# [03:56] <mcpherrin> How long does it take for crashes to show up on crash-stats.mo?
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# [04:02] <dholbert> mcpherrin, first, you should be sure that they're actually submitted, by visiting about:crashes and clicking on the crash report ID (sometimes they don't submit until you do that)
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# [04:03] <dholbert> mcpherrin, after I do that, the crash usually shows up within a few minutes, in my experience
# [04:03] <mcpherrin> dholbert: It's there now (2 minutes later)
# [04:03] <mcpherrin> thanks though.
# [04:03] <dholbert> mcpherrin, cool
# [04:03] <njn> khuey: ping
# [04:03] <mcpherrin> looks like I'm crashing in an sqlite memory reporter :(
# [04:04] <njn> mcpherrin: I'm about to look into that
# [04:04] <njn> mcpherrin:Bug 708248]
# [04:04] <njn> mcpherrin:Bug 708248]
# [04:04] <njn> mcpherrin:Bug 708248
# [04:04] <njn> argh
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# [04:05] <khuey> njn: pong
# [04:05] <njn> khuey: didn't you write the style memory reporters?
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# [04:05] <khuey> yes
# [04:05] <mcpherrin> njn: sweet. stylish disabled and I can use my browser again :)
# [04:05] <njn> khuey: but you want me to get a style peer to review my changes to your memory reporter?
# [04:05] <khuey> yes
# [04:05] <khuey> ideally
# [04:05] <njn> khuey: who are the peers? dbaron, who else?
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# [04:06] <khuey> dbaron, bz
# [04:06] <khuey> I don't think zwol is around much these days
# [04:06] <khuey> it's not really that important that they look at it
# [04:07] <khuey> just feels weird to r+ changes to parts of the code that I'm not a peer of
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# [04:07] <njn> dude, you wrote the code
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# [04:08] <jlebar> Although I don't usually feel the same way, khuey isn't the only one who takes this position.
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# [04:09] <khuey> njn: that I wrote it is why I'm afraid of it ;-)
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# [04:19] <mjschranz> Quick question for all the more experienced developers out there. The bug I was working on was set to r+, although I still needed to make some small changes to my patch. My reviewer told me to set it to r=him. Is it correct for me to assume that I should be setting it to r+ in this situation?
# [04:20] <heycam> mjschranz, if the reviewer said "r=me with the following changes made" then there is no need to get review again
# [04:21] <heycam> mjschranz, if you have commit access, you can feel free to land the patch with r=him in the commit message
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# [04:21] <mjschranz> heycam: Right that was said in the bug ticket, but I just wasn't sure if I still had to set a specific status or not. Thanks!
# [04:22] <heycam> mjschranz, if you don't have commit access and you need to upload the changed patch for someone else to land, still put r=him in the commit message of the patch. i don't think there's any need to set the r flag of the new attahcment itself.
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# [04:23] <mjschranz> heycam: Thanks for your help.
# [04:23] <khuey> yeah, actually setting the flag in bugzilla isn't that important
# [04:23] <heycam> mjschranz, no problem
# [04:24] <mjschranz> heycam: So setting my commit message to something like this would be fine? Bug 334573 - Changed all references of nsPLDOMEvent to nsAsyncDOMEvent r=sicking
# [04:24] <heycam> mjschranz, yep looks perfect
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# [04:34] <khuey> heycam: ping?
# [04:34] <heycam> khuey, pong
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# [04:35] <khuey> heycam: I'm looking at the webidl grammar
# [04:36] <khuey> it looks like the last few things are unused?
# [04:36] <heycam> the extended attribute things?
# [04:36] <khuey> ExtendedAttributeNoArgs, etc
# [04:36] <khuey> right
# [04:36] <heycam> yeah, so they're used to define how the extended attributes that are defined in the spec are formed
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# [04:37] <heycam> but the main grammar in general matches anything between the [] as long as it has balanced brackets
# [04:37] <khuey> ah, so these are additional restrictions on the values of various extended attributes?
# [04:38] <heycam> yeah
# [04:38] <khuey> ok
# [04:38] <heycam> but I want the stuff in the []s to be extensible to handle anything unambiguous
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# [04:42] <jlebar> How do I get the window from an nsHTMLElement?
# [04:42] <khuey> like, get the Window it is in?
# [04:43] <mounir> jlebar: you get the document then the window?
# [04:43] <khuey> right
# [04:44] <jlebar> cool.
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# [04:48] <njn> khuey: any idea why "tar -cvhf" output during builds goes to stderr instead of stdout?
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# [04:48] <khuey> nope
# [04:50] <ewong> what's the hg command to check which branch I'm dev'ing in?
# [04:50] <jlebar> ewong: hg summary?
# [04:50] <ewong> jlebar: awesome! Thanks!
# [04:52] <@bz_dinner> jlebar: so..
# [04:52] <@bz_dinner> jlebar: what are you really trying to do?
# [04:52] <@bz_dinner> jlebar: wrt getting the window?
# [04:52] <sfink> njn: probably because it's sending the tarball to stdout already, so the -v output has to go somewhere else
# [04:53] <jlebar> bz_dinner: So I'm implementing a function which lets privileged windows call a new function, queryState, on an iframe.
# [04:53] <jlebar> bz_dinner: But I need to get the window before I can check whether it's privileged.
# [04:53] <jlebar> bz_dinner: I figure OwnerDoc() is the right function to call, because I want to be able to call queryState even if the iframe in question isn't currently in the DOM?
# [04:54] <khuey> you want to check the window that the script belong to
# [04:54] <khuey> not the window that the iframe belongs to
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# [04:56] <jlebar> khuey: I guess so...
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# [04:56] <jlebar> khuey: so my idl function wants to take an implicit jscontext?
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# [04:58] <khuey> I think you just want to call nsContentUtils::GetWindowFromCaller
# [04:58] <khuey> and then do your security checks on that window
# [04:58] <khuey> bz_dinner may have a better idea
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# [05:06] <@bz> jlebar: So...
# [05:07] <@bz> jlebar: I believe GetWindowFromCaller is the thing that tells you "which window does the currently executing JS belong to?"
# [05:07] <@bz> jlebar: iirc, etc
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# [05:08] <jlebar> bz: sounds good. Thanks!
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# [05:47] <mbrubeck> glob: ping
# [05:48] <glob> mbrubeck, pong
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# [05:48] <mbrubeck> glob: I tried to change my email address on bmo, but the token expired before I got around to clicking on the confirmation link...
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# [05:48] <mbrubeck> ...and now https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account says "Confirmed email address: mbrubeck@mozilla.com; Completion date: 2011-12-10 12:38:42 PST" and won't let me change it again...
# [05:49] <mbrubeck> ...is there any way around that? Will I be able to change it again after 2011-12-10?
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# [05:53] <mbrubeck> (for anyone following along at home, glob fixed my problem out-of-channel)
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# [05:54] <mconnor> mbrubeck: was about to ask if you needed help! :)
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# [07:34] <@bz> njn: ping
# [07:34] <@bz> hmm
# [07:34] <@bz> no njn
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# [07:47] <philor> masayuki: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7816314&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=7814249&tree=Mozilla-Inbound look like they're probably fallout from your patch
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# [07:50] <jlebar> To add a function to iframe, I just need to add a method to nsIHTMLFrameElement.idl? This doesn't seem to work.
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# [07:51] <@dbaron> bz, you know it is past normal working hours 8 hours behind you, right?
# [07:51] <masayuki> philor: I think that it's same as bug 504586, it should be focus issue.
# [07:51] <jlebar> dbaron: he's switched to Taipei time.
# [07:52] <@dbaron> oh, ok
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# [07:53] <@dbaron> jlebar, a bunch of people are there this week, so I did, but now I'm not so sure
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# [07:54] <jlebar> dbaron: I'm here in Taiwan, but bz isn't. But he's been going to bed after me and waking up before me. Which doesn't make much sense.
# [07:54] <masayuki> philor: probably, my patch can cause it, but I think we should fix the bug 504586, looking the test now.
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# [07:54] <@dbaron> jlebar, oh, I was assuming bz was still in EST
# [07:54] <@dbaron> jlebar, I was just referring to bz pinging njn
# [07:55] <jlebar> dbaron: right.
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# [07:56] <philor> I never really understood waitForFocus, but on the first one, I noticed that the test before it calls it, so I sort of figured the window would still have focus even if it had lost it along the way
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# [08:15] <philor> bz: oh, that doesn't look good for you...
# [08:17] <philor> but at least we've got those great stacks, just count up to 0x10896a6 in libxul.so, and there's the problem
# [08:19] <@bz> philor: heh
# [08:19] <@bz> philor: hrm
# [08:19] <@bz> philor: lemme look, ok?
# [08:20] <philor> bz: np, I hadn't even started to update a tree yet
# [08:20] <@bz> yeah
# [08:20] * @bz is building
# [08:20] <@bz> might be 20 mins or os
# [08:20] <@bz> er, so
# [08:21] <@bz> wtf is there no stack on debug?
# [08:21] <KWierso> stacks are overrated
# [08:21] <philor> got me, nobody can ever simplify anything about that down to where I can understand it
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# [08:22] <philor> like, why are 3 out of 4 10.7 crashes crap-stacked, and the 4th is perfect?
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# [08:23] <@bz> ok
# [08:23] <@bz> so the good news is I know which of the patches did it
# [08:23] <@bz> though not yet why
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# [08:23] <@bz> the html5 test immediately following the last one that passed is this:
# [08:23] <@bz> 185 <a><svg><tr><input></a>
# [08:23] <@bz> 186 #errors
# [08:23] <@bz> 187 #document
# [08:23] <@bz> 188 | <html>
# [08:23] <@bz> 189 | <head>
# [08:23] <@bz> 190 | <body>
# [08:23] <@bz> 191 | <a>
# [08:23] <@bz> 192 | <svg svg>
# [08:23] <@bz> 193 | <svg tr>
# [08:23] <@bz> 194 | <svg input>
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# [08:25] * @bz wishes the build told him what it's building
# [08:26] <@bz> so I'd have some idea of where it is
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# [08:26] <philor> I think I saw a patch for that today
# [08:26] <philor> so soon, maybe
# [08:26] <@bz> yeah
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# [08:27] <@bz> ah, grepping ps ax for "g++" (but not "gcc") works
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# [08:28] <@bz> I fully expect this to be simple to fix once my build is done
# [08:28] <@bz> failing that, I back out the SVG bits
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# [08:33] <tbsaunde> bz: I was just about to push to inbound want me to wait for you to figure that out??
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# [08:35] <@bz> hmm
# [08:35] <@bz> I'd tend to say go ahead
# [08:35] <tbsaunde> ok, then
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# [08:35] <@bz> (the Moth orange is also SVG-related)
# [08:36] <@bz> or at least that test has lots of SVG in it
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# [08:36] * @bz is in content/base now
# [08:36] <@bz> well, in content/*
# [08:36] <@bz> since it's all parallel
# [08:36] <philor> oh, now *that's* a shock
# [08:36] <philor> you get one good stack, from Android
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# [08:37] <philor> or maybe not, maybe it's bogus
# [08:37] * @bz looks
# [08:38] <@bz> no, that's entirely possible
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# [08:40] <@bz> ok
# [08:40] <@bz> this is totally my fault, I bet
# [08:40] <@bz> I also bet I know how to fix
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# [08:40] * @bz just needs a build to test fi
# [08:41] <@bz> er, fix
# [08:41] <@bz> unless you want me to push it untested?
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# [08:41] <philor> you're the inbound sheriff ;)
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# [08:41] <@bz> hmph
# [08:42] <philor> personally? I'd rather have your untested fix than have someone else on top of you
# [08:42] <@bz> ok
# [08:42] <@bz> pushing fix
# [08:42] <masayuki> philor: ok, looks like the frequency is too high on WinXP debug build, I'll backout it.
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# [08:43] <philor> masayuki: okay - I don't have any explanation for why it passed several times, and then settled into failing on that one push, but I don't even try to explain lots of our randomness
# [08:43] * @bz wishes hg would run faster on no cores
# [08:44] <@bz> just because there's a make -j4 in progress doesn't mean it should be slow!
# [08:44] <nigelb> Increase its niceness ;)
# [08:44] <@bz> its == make's?
# [08:44] <nigelb> No, hg
# [08:44] <nigelb> Or is it decrease
# [08:45] <@bz> you mean decrease, then?
# [08:45] <nigelb> bah. which gives it higher priority
# [08:45] <masayuki> philor: don't mind, I try fixing bug 504586. I believe that it's the actual cause.
# [08:45] * @bz wishes he could sanely renice the builds
# [08:45] <@bz> higher priority == lower niceness
# [08:45] <@bz> ok
# [08:45] <@bz> fix pushed
# [08:45] <nigelb> aha.
# [08:45] <nigelb> should have known :)
# [08:46] <masayuki> bz: can I backout my latest patch now?
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# [08:48] <@bz> masayuki: go for it
# [08:48] * @bz is in layout land
# [08:48] <@bz> still nicely parallel
# [08:48] <@bz> over base and style at least
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# [08:49] <masayuki> done.
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# [08:49] <@bz> so what I don't understant...
# [08:50] <@bz> is why I have 14 of these thing
# [08:50] <@bz> er, things
# [08:50] <@bz> I mean
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# [08:50] <@bz> if I run with -jN
# [08:50] <@bz> should I really get more than N C compiler invocations?
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# [08:51] <KWierso> baker's dozen is not sufficient, clearly
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# [08:51] <@bz> well
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# [08:51] <@bz> My value of N is nowhere near 14
# [08:51] <@bz> it's 6
# [08:51] <Callek> I run with -j300
# [08:51] <Callek> sometimes
# [08:51] <Callek> (when I do my computer hates me, since I only have an 8 core machine)
# [08:51] <glazou> bonjour
# [08:51] <@bz> my load average is about 6-8
# [08:51] <@bz> which makes sense...
# [08:52] <@bz> ah, down to only 10 compiler invocations, that's why
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# [08:58] <squib> quick question if anyone's around who knows: in packages-manifest.in, are the lines like "
# [08:58] <squib> @BINPATH@/components/xul.xpt" there to build interface definitions for, in this case, content/xul/public/*.idl?
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# [09:03] <@bz> hmm
# [09:04] <@bz> this might still be broken
# [09:04] * @bz testing
# [09:05] <philor> squib: no, the makefiles already took care of building the idls into the xpts, they're in the manifest to tell packager which ones to smush together into the single browser.xpt or mail.xpt that we ship
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# [09:06] <philor> though it may be that we no longer actually have to list them, I remember being suspicious about that once but not whether I really looked
# [09:06] <@bz> oh
# [09:06] <@bz> duh
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# [09:07] <@bz> I'm crappy at this reviewing thing...
# [09:07] <philor> you should practice more!
# [09:07] <@bz> or rush less
# [09:07] <philor> just back him out and tell him to go back to flyfishing photography
# [09:08] <@bz> hmm?
# [09:08] * @bz is testing another followup now
# [09:08] <@bz> should fix the Mo for sure
# [09:08] <@bz> I haven't looked at the parser test yet
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# [09:09] <@bz> ok
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# [09:09] <@bz> yeah, this fixes Mo
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# [09:10] <@bz> running the m5 test now
# [09:10] <@bz> this might take a bit...
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# [09:12] <@bz> pushing fix
# [09:12] <philor> another Brian O'Keefe is probably the world's second best flyfishing photographer
# [09:12] <@bz> ah
# [09:12] * @bz mumbles about weird jobs
# [09:13] <@bz> you did mean "flyfishing" as opposed to "flying fish"?
# [09:13] <philor> yup
# [09:13] <@bz> that's what I thought
# [09:13] * @bz shrugs
# [09:13] <@bz> I guess we all have weird jobs
# [09:14] <squib> philor: ah, well that probably explains the error i got anyway. (i'm trying to add html5 context menus to thunderbird.)
# [09:14] <squib> philor: thanks!
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# [09:16] <philor> his job looks like http://brianokeefephotos.com/popup_photo4.php?recKey=1245 and mine doesn't
# [09:17] <glob> philor, you job could look like that, you're just one desktop wallpaper away :P
# [09:17] <darktrojan> nice photo, pity about the bloke fishing
# [09:17] <@bz> philor: your job probably has more terminals and editors, yes
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# [09:23] <hsivonen> Do we have a list of the error console category strings (e.g. "DOM Events") somewhere?
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# [09:23] <hsivonen> who consumes the strings? should I just make a new one up? Like "HTML Parser"?
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# [09:32] <@bz> hsivonen: the error console consumes the strings, no?
# [09:32] <@bz> hsivonen: or rather any console service listener can....
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# [09:35] <@bz> in practice, I think that just css is separated out in the default UI
# [09:35] <@bz> console^2 has js/css/xml
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# [09:42] <hsivonen> bz: the error console has error/warning/message categories. the UI doesn't have a category for e.g. DOM events
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# [09:42] <NeilAway> khuey|away: why not have the rule that copies the appropriate XPT to components depend on the XPT file, instead of recursively calling make?
# [09:42] <hsivonen> UI strings are hard to write
# [09:43] <hsivonen> so that they are truthful, understandable and short
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# [09:44] <@bz> hsivonen: it has ui for css vs "js", for sure
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# [09:45] <hsivonen> bz: I see no such UI on Linux
# [09:46] <@bz> hsivonen: are you looking at the error console or web console?
# [09:46] <hsivonen> bz: error console
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# [09:46] <@bz> ah
# [09:46] <@bz> yes, the error console doesn't have it
# [09:46] <@bz> the web console does
# [09:46] <@bz> as does console^2
# [09:47] <hsivonen> ok
# [09:47] <@bz> ok
# [09:47] <@bz> it's 3:40am
# [09:47] <@bz> bedtime
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# [11:58] <khuey> NeilAway: I think the problem he's trying to solve is not linking the XPTs unnecessarily, not not copying htem unnecessarily
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# [12:27] <NeilAway> khuey: sure, but making the copy depend on the link is saner than a recursive make
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# [13:02] <smaug> what...
# [13:02] <smaug> I don't see mxr for release
# [13:02] <smaug> there is for Aurora and Beta
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# [13:08] <jdm> smaug: yep, no release mxr
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# [13:23] <smaug> that is absolutely terrible
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# [13:28] <bhearsum|afk> yeah
# [13:28] <bhearsum|afk> =\
# [13:28] <bhearsum|afk> mxr is barely maintained at this point though
# [13:29] <Cork> why?
# [13:29] <Cork> (is it barly maintained)
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# [13:32] <bhearsum|afk> the short answer is "it fell through the cracks"
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# [13:32] <bhearsum|afk> the long answer is something along the lines of legacy system that got maintained by a developer for a long time, and never picked up by webdev
# [13:32] <bhearsum|afk> it also has no active devs at this point, and security issues =\
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# [13:39] <smaug> mxr is yet the most important tool there is for devs
# [13:40] <hsivonen> is there some nice way to test (from mochitest) that certain console messages get emitted?
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# [13:43] <hsivonen> what's the purpose of hiddenWindow.html and why does it declare a quirky doctype?
# [13:44] <Pike> IIRC, hiddenwindow is what makes the app stay around on mac when all windows are closed. at least that's the historical background
# [13:44] <NeilAway> yeah, but in that case it contains a XUL document
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# [13:45] <hsivonen> NeilAway: hiddenWindow.html gets loaded on Linux
# [13:46] <glazou> that is used if no hiddenwindow is defined in the preferences
# [13:47] <glazou> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpfe/appshell/src/nsAppShellService.cpp#124
# [13:47] <glazou> Pike: hi
# [13:47] <glazou> Pike: I wanted to use compare-locales but I can't
# [13:47] <glazou> I wanted it to let me know if an entity/string is similar to the en-US version, as a warning
# [13:48] <glazou> do you it's a valid RFE ?
# [13:48] <khuey> did the zimbra reboot result in it start letting a bunch of spam through for anyone else?
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# [13:49] <hsivonen> glazou: thanks. I still don't know why hiddenWindow.html is in the quirks mode
# [13:49] <hsivonen> not my problem, I suppose
# [13:49] <hsivonen> turns out that hiddenWindow.html not declaring its encoding is my problem, though
# [13:50] <NeilAway> hsivonen: I know, I was just pointing out that Pike was looking at the wrong hidden window
# [13:53] <Pike> glazou: with as much as you say, not really. I bet you could implement what you're looking for, but I wouldn't see that that solves a generic problem that should be upstreamed
# [13:53] <glazou> no worries
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# [13:54] <jdm> hsivonen: pretty sure there's a SpecialPowers interface for console messages
# [13:54] <hsivonen> it seems that it's common for iframed ads not to declare their encoding
# [13:55] <jdm> hsivonen: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/specialpowersAPI.js?force=1#463
# [13:55] <jdm> huh, unused by any test
# [13:55] <jdm> that's interesting
# [13:55] <hsivonen> jdm: thanks!
# [13:56] <jdm> I know zwol had ideas about how to improve the console listener testing framework
# [13:56] <khuey> !seen Ms2ger
# [13:56] <firebot> ms2ger was last seen 15 hours, 37 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying 'And act smug about it as well ;)' in #developers.
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# [14:01] <jdm> why is hg fetch giving me a 403 :(
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# [14:04] <khuey> because hg fetch isn't a real command? :-P
# [14:05] <jdm> I have an extension that says otherwise
# [14:05] <jdm> so there
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# [14:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0ca37155a577 - Kyle Huey - Bug 692067: Make WebSockets trigger content policies. r=smaug,dveditz
# [14:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ebe8aa6a1f35 - Kyle Huey - Merge b-s to m-c.
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# [14:18] <mick_laptop> jesup: yes it did - everything works perfectly. thank you :)
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# [14:36] <gabor> mrbkap: Hey, do you have a few minutes?
# [14:37] <sheppy> taras: I'm starting work on telemetry docs now; squeezing it in between Firefox 9 and Firefox 10 work. :)
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# [14:47] <hsivonen> is someone already in the process of landing the ban for new XHR responseTypes in the sync mode?
# [14:48] <edmorley> !seen sicking
# [14:48] <firebot> sicking was last seen 13 hours, 15 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying 'since a sync worker-xhr runs a normal async xhr on the main thread' in #content.
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# [14:48] <smaug> hsivonen: I doubt
# [14:49] <hsivonen> smaug: ok. I'll land it.
# [14:49] <hsivonen> edmorley: I take it that it's safe to land on m-i, since it's obvious that the orange points to sicking's landing
# [14:50] <edmorley> hsivonen: if you give me 2-3 mins I'll backout, will mean less to star
# [14:50] <hsivonen> edmorley: ok
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# [14:53] <edmorley> hsivonen: done
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# [14:56] <khuey> edmorley: those IDB tests turned test_writerstarvation permaorange?
# [14:58] <hsivonen> edmorley: thanks
# [14:58] <edmorley> khuey: according to tbpl yes, was timeout/crash though so maybe it left the suite in a bad state?
# [14:58] <khuey> interesting
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# [15:04] <gandalf> hsivonen: I'd like to expose the JSON structure as an attribute on document object so that users can modify it like a normal object (sth. like document.l10nData['foo'] = 3) - do I need to create some sort of nsIDOML10nData interface that has getters/setters or is there an easier way to expose a JS(JSON) object in DOM?
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# [15:06] <hsivonen> gandalf: take a look at nsXMLHttpRequest::GetResponse in the JSON case
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# [15:17] <hsivonen> sigh. someone on twitter complains that speculative loading (which makes all Web pages load faster--including legacy pages) interferes with his JS-based performance hacks
# [15:17] <Yoric> ...
# [15:18] <sheppy> ugh
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# [15:19] <sheppy> taras: I assume that telemetry is mostly meant for Mozilla devs and not really for add-ons, or is it useful for both?
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# [15:23] <smaug> hsivonen: heh
# [15:23] <smaug> hsivonen: what kinds of perf tests is he doing
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# [15:26] <hsivonen> smaug: swapping img src based on view port size
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# [15:27] <hsivonen> smaug: for parser-inserted imgs so that they show something when JS is disabled
# [15:27] <hsivonen> smaug: so not a perf test
# [15:27] <hsivonen> smaug: but a hack to serve different amounts of pixels to different clients
# [15:28] <hsivonen> smaug: so that clients that don't need a lot of pixels download fewer pixels
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# [15:41] <smaug> where can I download nightly chromium?
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# [15:42] <jcranmer|away> nightly.mozilla.org? :-)
# [15:43] <smaug> bah
# [15:43] <sheppy> jcranmer|away++
# [15:44] <jcranmer|away> I'm sure there's an addon that makes FF look like Chromium
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# [15:44] <smaug> actually, any nightly webkit
# [15:44] <smaug> running on linux
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# [15:48] <Pike> smaug: http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel doesn't list canary for linux :-/
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# [15:55] <jfkthame> khuey: ping
# [15:56] <khuey> jfkthame: pong
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# [15:56] <jfkthame> khuey: would you maybe be willing to review the build-system patch in bug 631479 sometime soon, if i switch the r? from ted to you (as i'm not sure he's around at the moment)
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# [15:57] <khuey> gabor: patch looks pretty good, I left some comments
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# [15:57] <khuey> jfkthame: sure, I can do that now
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# [15:58] <jfkthame> awesome - thanks
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# [16:07] <khuey> jfkthame: is this size_t size stuff used by the graphite makefiles we're including?
# [16:08] <jfkthame> khuey: there's some place in the code that requires SIZEOF_SIZE_T to be defined, i forget where offhand
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# [16:08] <jfkthame> we don't actually include makefiles from upstream, but their build system sets it up and there's an #ifdef in the code that uses it, iirc
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# [16:08] <khuey> ah
# [16:08] <khuey> ok
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# [16:10] <jfkthame> hmm, just grepping the code and i'm not finding it... i wonder if that disappeared in the latest update of the code - i'll double-check - if so, we won't need that junk in our build either
# [16:12] <jfkthame> khuey: turns out it's obsolete :) ... consider that chunk to be removed
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# [16:14] <khuey> oh
# [16:14] <khuey> ok
# [16:14] <bhearsum> bjacob: are you coming in to the office today?
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# [16:14] <bjacob> bhearsum: i am!
# [16:14] <bhearsum> great!
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# [16:14] <bhearsum> i ned to talk to you at some point
# [16:14] <bhearsum> ned
# [16:14] <bhearsum> need
# [16:14] <bjacob> bhearsum: cool, i'll be in in ~45 min
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# [16:15] <khuey> jfkthame: one last question, what does graphite actually do?
# [16:16] <jfkthame> khuey: text shaping - layout behavior for complex scripts - a bit like opentype but addressing a different set of use cases, basically
# [16:17] <khuey> jfkthame: ok, why do we want to be able to disable it in configure?
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# [16:19] <jfkthame> that was mostly a precautionary move, in case we were to realize there's a critical flaw and we want to completely drop it out of the shipping product until fixed - though the runtime pref is probably all the kill-switch we need, really
# [16:19] <jfkthame> it's also possible (at least in my mind) that mobile, for example, might decide they don't want the added code footprint and decide to build without it, at least until there's more content out there
# [16:20] <khuey> ok
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# [16:20] <bhearsum> bjsounds good
# [16:21] <bhearsum> oh, he's gone
# [16:21] <khuey> "You submitted changes to attachment.cgi with an invalid token, which may indicate that someone tried to abuse you, for instance by making you click on a URL which redirected you here without your consent. "
# [16:22] <khuey> jfkthame: r+ with a few comments
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# [16:23] <jfkthame> khuey: great, much appreciated :)
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# [16:25] <khuey> np
# [16:25] <khuey> jfkthame: btw, with that harfbuzz crash from a couple weeks ago, did we understand the failure mode enough to write a testcase for it?
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# [16:29] <jfkthame> khuey: not very readily, i think - maybe as part of an effort to create test fonts that exercise as many of the potential codepaths as possible - which is something i'd like us to pursue eventually
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# [16:30] <khuey> yeah, that would be nice
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# [16:35] <ejpbruel> did anybody happen to file a patch to nightly that fixed bug 702847?
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# [16:38] <jdm> davidb: http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
# [16:38] <davidb> ty
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# [16:51] <philor> isn't the lhs of http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/test/file_fullscreen-esc-exit-inner.html?force=1#37 wrong?
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# [16:53] <Waldo> kinda looks wrong!
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# [16:56] <philor> not an excuse for WinXP to crash, but apparently I'm not going to find that part
# [16:58] <taras> sheppy: yes, it's for mozilla devs only atm
# [16:58] <glazou> Pike: ping
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# [17:02] <Pike> glazou: pong
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# [17:03] <glazou> Pike: just wrote this in two hours, JS only, my own parser, no regexps, I think you will like it when it's finished http://glazman.org/tmp/l10n-check.png
# [17:03] <glazou> that's an add-on to FF, of course
# [17:04] <glazou> more convenient than a commandline
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# [17:05] <Pike> if it works for you, great. not sure how it'd help me
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# [17:06] <glazou> it's not done yet
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# [17:08] <Pike> that's not the question. I need code that runs as part of buildbot automation, and generates database entries to aggregate. not sure why I'd use a firefox addon for that
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# [17:08] <glazou> sure
# [17:08] <glazou> not you, but the individual localizers could use it, right?
# [17:09] <Pike> sure, could. it'd probably have different results than the version I maintain, and I'm not going to maintain two, so we'll see
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# [17:12] <nemo> So, I was reading http://www.scirra.com/blog/58/html5-2d-gaming-performance-analysis
# [17:12] <nemo> Which, unsurprisingly, had Chrome 15 beating the pants off everyone.
# [17:12] <nemo> For example, when I ran http://www.scirra.com/labs/perftest-webgl in Chrome 15 it was able to render 10,200 sprites at 30fps
# [17:13] <nemo> vs 1,800 for Firefox 8
# [17:13] <nemo> er
# [17:13] <nemo> correction.
# [17:13] <nemo> That wasn't what surprised me. What surprised me was 1,800 sprites in Firefox *11a* and 2,100 in Firefox 8
# [17:14] <nemo> guess that's yet another result of the tracing disabling?
# [17:14] <nemo> s/disabling/removal/
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# [17:15] <smaug> nemo: please file some bugs
# [17:15] <nemo> woah. that's odd
# [17:15] <nemo> disabled tracing in FF8, and got 2800??
# [17:15] <smaug> that is odd
# [17:15] <nemo> maybe I'm not leaving their thingie running long enough :D
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# [17:16] <nemo> yeah, actually, 2800-3000
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# [17:17] <nemo> maybe nightly is just slower :)
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# [17:20] <nemo> smaug: ok. slightly faster w/ tracing disabled after leaving it to run for a minute each time (and restarting even though the tracing toggle does not need it I think)
# [17:20] <nemo> but not by much
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# [17:23] <nemo> smaug: yeah. leaving it alone for a minute each time. FF11a: ~1700 FF8 w/o tracing: ~2100 FF8 w/ tracing: ~2100 and maybe sliiiiightly faster w/o tracing
# [17:23] <nemo> and of course chrome 15: 10k+
# [17:24] <nemo> right-o, bug it is.
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# [17:26] <jesup> firebot: uuid
# [17:26] <firebot> 5318bb73-948a-4de2-b608-fe6b01f0b828 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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# [17:33] <gabor> khuey: do you know by any chance what should I include to have nsIThreadJSContextStack defined?
# [17:34] <khuey> gabor: nsIJSContextStack.h
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# [17:40] <gabor> khuey++
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# [17:42] <ejpbruel> another dutch CA got hacked :D
# [17:42] <nemo> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708641 - righto, there ya go :-)
# [17:42] <ejpbruel> boy, we sure suck
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# [17:42] <nemo> smaug: regression has a ? 'cause I was wondering if maybe this was just some lil' ol' ephemeral thing w/ nightly rather than something major
# [17:43] <nemo> ejpbruel: hacked or scammed?
# [17:43] <ejpbruel> nemo: hacked. apparently they were using phpmyadmin
# [17:43] <nemo> oh nice
# [17:43] <nemo> "Breached Gemnet internal documents appeared to have resided on a web database managed by PHPMyAdmin that did not have an access password set."
# [17:44] <nemo> that's not really a hack
# [17:44] <nemo> that's like saying someone hot wired my car, after I left it at the mall w/ the key in the ignition and the engine running
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# [17:44] <ejpbruel> nemo: sure
# [17:44] <ejpbruel> but lets wait
# [17:44] <ejpbruel> this is the official statement of the CA
# [17:45] <ejpbruel> wouldnt be the first time they lied to cover their ass :)
# [17:45] <ejpbruel> at least not here
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# [17:46] <jwir3> nemo++
# [17:47] <nemo> ejpbruel: wouldn't that be lying to make themselves look worse though? :)
# [17:47] <ejpbruel> nemo: heh
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# [17:47] <khuey> nah
# [17:48] <khuey> once you've fucked up that badly you really can't look much worse
# [17:48] <ejpbruel> khuey: obviously, you are not familiar with the state of IT in the Netherlands
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# [17:48] <khuey> it's true
# [17:49] <ejpbruel> khuey: on a more serious note, could you help me finding the right guy to ask about bug 697215?
# [17:49] <ejpbruel> bug 67125 firebot, come on
# [17:49] <ejpbruel> bug 697125
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# [17:50] <khuey> firebot: bug 697125
# [17:50] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697125 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Attachments: single attachment opens on single click, multiple attachments need double click
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# [17:50] <ejpbruel> khuey: damnit
# [17:50] <ejpbruel> khuey: thats not even the right bug number
# [17:50] <ejpbruel> firebot: 697215
# [17:50] <firebot> ejpbruel: Sorry, I've no idea what '697215' might be.
# [17:50] <ejpbruel> shit
# [17:50] <ejpbruel> firebot: bug 697215
# [17:51] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697215 nor, P2, ---, ejpbruel, NEW, Cannot scroll panel on OS X
# [17:51] <ejpbruel> thats the one!
# [17:51] <ejpbruel> that was a nice clusterfail btw
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# [17:51] <khuey> ok
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# [17:51] <khuey> and what do you want me to do?
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# [17:51] <ejpbruel> khuey: ok, so i have absolutely no clue where to start looking for the problem. i dont expect you to know either, but maybe you can at least point me towards the right guy
# [17:52] <khuey> ejpbruel: in https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/commit/97b79af12284454986b4b87590860ae6911c8564 what is 'frame'?
# [17:52] <khuey> a xul element?
# [17:53] <ejpbruel> khuey: good question
# [17:53] <khuey> ejpbruel: the answer to that determines who I point you at
# [17:54] <ejpbruel> canuckistani: can you answer that question?
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# [17:54] <khuey> we're setting 'flex' on it so I assume it's a xul something ...
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# [17:55] <ejpbruel> khuey: i guess so, i dont know all that much about the addon-sdk's internals, unfortunately
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# [17:56] <khuey> ejpbruel: if it's a xul iframe, which it appears it is
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# [17:56] <khuey> ejpbruel: I'd suggest you start with Enn
# [17:57] <ejpbruel> khuey: thanks!
# [17:57] <ejpbruel> Enn: ping
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# [18:08] <tbsaunde> surkov: I could review that if you want/win 23
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# [18:09] <surkov> tbsaunde: that huge patch?
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# [18:10] <mayhemer> philor: re hi-res timer and windows PGO broken: I am not able reproduce the build error, I'm getting the following error during libxul build: shell32.lib(shguid.obj) : fatal error LNK1103: debugging information corrupt; recompile module
# [18:11] <mayhemer> philor: I've added /3GB to me boot.ini, btw
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# [18:12] <GPHemsley> you know there's a problem when going to about:memory causes two unresponsive script dialogs
# [18:14] <lurking> GPHemsley: I've not seen that
# [18:14] <jimm> mayhemer: sounds like mixed up sdk includes/lib paths.
# [18:15] <NeilAway> GPHemsley: heh
# [18:15] <jimm> from multiple sdks.
# [18:15] <GPHemsley> lurking: I'm pretty sure no one is a tab hoarder like I am. :)
# [18:15] <philor> mayhemer: did you try having the tryserver build it with PGO enabled? the other patch I hounded out of the tree over that same PGO error has relanded, so if tryserver doesn't mind building yours PGO'ed, I'd say you should just reland and hope it doesn't hit you again
# [18:15] <mayhemer> jimm: aha, I have multiple SDKs installed, I'll try to figure that out, thanks!
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# [18:17] <lurking> GPHemsley: well, that could be - my avg is less 20 tabs most of the time
# [18:17] <GPHemsley> heh
# [18:17] <philor> mayhemer: add mk_add_options MOZ_PGO=1 to the end of browser/config/mozconfigs/win32/nightly
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# [18:19] <philor> beats having to build it yourself, for sure
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# [18:27] <ejpbruel> evilpie; how is your SIMD implementation coming along?
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# [18:27] <evilpie> ejpbruel: well after the discussion i pulled back
# [18:27] <ejpbruel> evilpie: why's that?
# [18:27] <ejpbruel> evilpie: i missed that discussion apparently
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# [18:28] <evilpie> well the general tone was that this is probably not what most people want
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# [18:29] <ejpbruel> evilpie: its interesting how most discussions on SIMD seem to end that way...
# [18:29] <evilpie> ejpbruel: did you retest JSIntString, i think there was some change to this failing test recently
# [18:30] <ejpbruel> evilpie: thanks for pointing that out. i will retest it.
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# [18:30] <ejpbruel> evilpie; im kind of disappointed that you pulled back. i liked your approach :(
# [18:30] <ejpbruel> id like to know what people *do* want
# [18:30] <evilpie> they seem to prefer something like RiverTrail
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# [18:35] <khuey> Ms2ger: so I hear you like WebIDL?
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# [18:35] <Ms2ger> khuey, this sounds an awful lot like a question I don't want to answer "yes" to
# [18:35] <khuey> lol
# [18:36] <Ms2ger> What are you getting at? :)
# [18:36] <khuey> I'm writing a WebIDL parser for us to use for the new DOM bindings
# [18:36] <ejpbruel> evilpie: hm, RiverTrail does look kind of nice
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# [18:37] <khuey> interested in reviewing when I'm done?
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# [18:37] * khuey figures you're as qualified as anyone would be
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> Let's say I'm happy to look at it :)
# [18:38] <khuey> heh, ok
# [18:39] * khuey will keep that in mind
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# [18:40] <Ms2ger> bz, don't you need to set *_retval in the hasProp branch at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=579970&action=diff?
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# [18:40] <sewardj> !seen dbaron
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> --- Comment #4 from Ian 'Hixie' Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> 2011-12-07 22:49:03 UTC ---
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Well that's just silly.
# [18:40] <firebot> dbaron was last seen 10 hours, 45 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying 'jlebar, I was just referring to bz pinging njn' in #developers.
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Hixie, welcome to the web :)
# [18:41] <sheppy> Heh
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# [18:51] <NeilAway> interesting, Ms2ger's timezone is UTC
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# [18:52] <nigelb> NeilAway: I thought he was timezone-less ^-^
# [18:52] <regen> nigelb: if you travel all the time
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# [18:53] <jesup> khuey: webidl support would (have) made my life significantly easier (for webrtc). :-)
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# [18:53] <smaug> I thought Ms2ger would be CET
# [18:54] <khuey> jesup: well it's a few engineer-years of effort away from completion
# [18:54] <khuey> ;-)
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# [18:55] <regen> khuey: if edmorley died of work exhuastion, will you take his role?
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# [18:55] <khuey> lets hope it doesn't come to that
# [18:55] <Ms2ger> You sketch an awful picture
# [18:55] <Ms2ger> We'd need actual sheriffs!
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# [18:56] <Standard8> bbondy: I guess the signing stuff just landed...
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# [18:57] <bbondy> Standard8: the releng stuff maybe, the service is pushed due to some security stuff that just came up
# [18:57] <jesup> So... I'm closing in on getting PeerConnection to build (patterned on WebSockets, since they overall are similar and both take params for new in js). I'm down to one error: DOMCI_DATA(PeerConnection, nsPeerConnection) throws an error: nsPeerConnection.cpp:75:11: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before ‘(’ token
# [18:57] <Standard8> ah
# [18:58] <jesup> Any suggestions where to look? I've made sure I have equivalent entries for WebSockets in all .h files MozWebSocket shows up in.
# [18:58] <khuey> jesup: did you include nsDOMClassInfoId.h?
# [18:58] <khuey> er
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# [18:58] <khuey> ID.h
# [18:58] <regen> Jeff Walden Kill the warnings. KILL THEM WITH FIRE. No bug, r=sparky
# [18:58] <Standard8> bbondy: ah, it was bug 481815
# [18:58] <bbondy> ya
# [18:58] <jesup> yes
# [18:58] <jesup> khuey: yes
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# [18:58] <regen> is jeff all right?
# [18:59] <khuey> jesup: and you added your thing to nsDOMClassInfoClasses.h?
# [18:59] <jesup> yes
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# [19:00] <jesup> DOMCI_CLASS(PeerConnection)
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> jesup, in the right order?
# [19:00] <khuey> it'll build in the wrong order
# [19:00] <khuey> it just explodes at runtime
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> Yeah, nvm me
# [19:01] <khuey> that error message really sounds like it doesn't know what DOMCI_DATA is
# [19:01] <jesup> Any easy way to unfold the macro and see the pp source?
# [19:01] <khuey> make -C objdir/foo/bar nsFoo.i ?
# [19:01] <sheppy> Hey, khuey has the honor of being the owner of the only remaining documentation issue for Firefox 9. :)
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# [19:01] <khuey> heh
# [19:02] <khuey> how many more days do I have until release?
# [19:02] <khuey> :-P
# [19:02] <sheppy> :)
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# [19:04] <Waldo> regen: why do you ask? (and yes, I'm fine, more or less)
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# [19:04] <regen> nothing :)
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# [19:05] <Ms2ger> khuey, you're not getting away with hard-coding "TEST-PASS" in every test, that much I can tell you :)
# [19:05] <khuey> Ms2ger: ha
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# [19:08] <jesup> khuey: DOMCI_DATA somehow isn't defined, even though the include file is included....
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# [19:09] <khuey> jesup: aha
# [19:09] <khuey> I know what you're doing wrong
# [19:09] <jesup> I see an #ifdef in there...
# [19:09] <Standard8> khuey: can I get rs for http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1396882 which is a bustage fix from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6b60ebe2cae4 for comm-central?
# [19:09] <khuey> this summer one of our interns had the same problem
# [19:09] <khuey> we spent three hours debugging :-(
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# [19:10] <jesup> I spent about 4 hours last night, and a few more this morning (though fixing some other stuff too)
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# [19:10] <jesup> Figured it couldn't be that hard. :-)
# [19:10] <khuey> jesup: you needs a DEFINES += -D_IMPL_NS_LAYOUT in your makefile
# [19:10] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [19:11] <jesup> Right. I'd guessed that once I saw it wasn't defined. So obvious.
# [19:11] * khuey tries to kill that months ago and got scope creeped to death :-(
# [19:11] <khuey> Standard8: rs=me
# [19:11] <Standard8> khuey: thanks
# [19:12] <khuey> np
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# [19:12] <khuey> jesup: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659722#c8 :-(
# [19:12] <jesup> khuey: Can I add a line to nsDOMClassInfoID.h in my patch with a comment: if DOMCI_DATA() won't compile, add this define
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# [19:13] <jesup> At least shortcut the next person who hits it
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# [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5c8405e6226e - Mark Banner - Bustage fix for comm-central apps after bug 481815 - use MOZILLA_DIR not topsrcdir. rs=kheuy
# [19:13] * jesup thinks we should put more internal docs/warnings like that in
# [19:14] <khuey> sure
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# [19:14] <khuey> I'd rather we fixed the damn bug I filed
# [19:14] <khuey> but that'll help
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> Who's kheuy, and is he a qualified reviewer?
# [19:15] <Waldo> who's Ms2ger, and is he a qualified reviewer?
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> First is none of your business, second is no :)
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# [19:15] <jhammel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ms2ger
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# [19:17] * khuey is tempted to register Ms2gerSightings.com
# [19:17] <Ms2ger> <!doctype html>None
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# [19:18] <jhammel> khuey: Ms2ger.com is available
# [19:18] <edmorley> Ms2ger: you'll have to come to the next mozcamp eu
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# [19:18] <jhammel> khuey: get it before Ms2ger can and put up his homepage :P
# [19:18] <jhammel> her? its?
# [19:18] <khuey> jhammel: heh
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> their?
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# [19:19] <sheppy> Whose?
# [19:19] <jesup> khuey: Yeah! Finally nsPeerConnection.cpp compiles. We'll see about linking... :-)
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# [19:20] <Waldo> you're using the ns prefix? :-(
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# [19:20] <edmorley> definitely her, Ms. 2ger
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# [19:20] <sheppy> Suddenly all becomes clear!
# [19:20] <jhammel> edmorley: what if its an anagram Mr. Ges the second?
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# [19:21] <khuey> jhammel: there's also Ms2g.er
# [19:21] <jhammel> khuey: nice
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# [19:21] <khuey> sadly registering domain names in eritrea seems to be impossible
# [19:21] <khuey> without travelling there
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Expense it
# [19:21] <khuey> I doubt jst would approve
# [19:21] <sheppy> Heh
# [19:21] <edmorley> out of the pony fund
# [19:22] <sheppy> You guys get a pony fund? I want a pony fund!
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# [19:22] <Ms2ger> sheppy, ask ted
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# [19:24] <jesup> Waldo: habit. And keeping a consistent pattern has value; if we go and change all the files in the tree, that would work too. ;-)
# [19:25] <Waldo> we've long since abandoned consistency on this point :-)
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# [19:26] <imphil> hm, strange crash. does anybody have an idea how that could happen or how to extend the check to at least prevent the crash? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1396892 (ownerDoc in #5) happens with the XForms extension, but that should only be relevant insofar as there is xtf involved
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# [19:26] <Waldo> and while complete consistency has its aesthetic appeal, I've long since come to the conclusion that it's a case of perfect being the enemy of good, and more often than not stop energy in effect if perhaps not in intent
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# [19:27] <khuey> imphil: something is pretty broken there ...
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# [19:27] <khuey> smaug: ^
# [19:27] <khuey> see imphil's stack
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# [19:28] <khuey> imphil: it looks like you're deleting the node in question twice
# [19:28] <smaug> khuey: imphil: looking
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# [19:28] <khuey> or maybe not
# [19:28] <khuey> but there's deleted memory floating around
# [19:28] <khuey> firebot: d8d8d8d8?
# [19:28] <firebot> khuey: Sorry, I've no idea what 'd8d8d8d8' might be.
# [19:28] <khuey> bah
# [19:29] <khuey> useless bot
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# [19:29] <imphil> *gg*
# [19:29] <smaug> imphil: which version of FF?
# [19:29] <Waldo> firebot 0xd8d8d8d8
# [19:29] <firebot> Waldo: hmm... I think 0xd8d8d8d8 is leaky MARKER2_0 or nsFixedSizeAllocator's deletion pattern
# [19:29] <smaug> and it could be XTF related
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# [19:29] <imphil> gecko 8 release
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# [19:30] <smaug> imphil: can you get crash-reported ID?
# [19:30] <smaug> crash-report id
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# [19:30] <imphil> smaug, it was a debug build without crash reporter (and it's actually still open in gdb)
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# [19:31] <smaug> imphil: can you point which line is crashing?
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# [19:31] <smaug> er
# [19:31] <smaug> grr
# [19:31] <smaug> we don't have mxr for release
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# [19:32] <gavin> should be the same as beta, right?
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# [19:32] <gavin> oh, I guess not after release
# [19:32] <imphil> ownerDoc->ClearBoxObjectFor(elem);
# [19:32] <smaug> it certainly isn't same as beta
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# [19:34] <imphil> smaug, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/463b6cbdef7c/content/base/src/nsNodeUtils.cpp#l307
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# [19:34] <ddahl> anyone know about this crash on Mac OS? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1396901
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# [19:35] <Standard8> well these days you should probably get used to firefox and not firefox-bin, but as they are copies, it shouldn't matter
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# [19:36] <Standard8> isn't that something to do with the wrong architecture?
# [19:36] <Standard8> ddahl: ^^^ i.e. 32 vs 64
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# [19:36] <ddahl> Standard8: happens either way
# [19:36] <ddahl> i downloaded the latest 8.0.1 for mac os this morning, new profile too
# [19:37] <ddahl> i see bug 701449
# [19:37] <smaug> imphil: is the ownerDoc dead even before ClearBoxObjectFor?
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# [19:39] <philor> huh, why would a nightly hit the "configure has changed and needs to be run" warning?
# [19:39] <Standard8> ddahl: try something like 'arch -i386 firefox -p'
# [19:39] <Standard8> ddahl: I doubt that is it, I could be going down the wrong route with this
# [19:41] <ddahl> Standard8: that does work. weird
# [19:41] <Standard8> ddahl: ted might remember more, but I think there was something about directly running firefox on 10.5 needs the arch option
# [19:41] <khuey> Ms2ger: I added some tests that aren't hardcoded to pass for you :-P
# [19:41] <imphil> smaug, I'm not sure I get that question -- how would I check?
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# [19:42] <ddahl> Standard8: thx
# [19:42] <jimm> my local pop email access just came back
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# [19:43] <Ms2ger> khuey, harness.ok(True, "TEST-PASS | Parsing a silly interface doesn't throw.")
# [19:43] <bsmedberg> hehe!
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# [19:43] <khuey> woops
# [19:43] <khuey> I forgot to remove TEST-PASS From that one
# [19:44] <khuey> also, I was referring to test_interface
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# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Well, you got half your tests right :)
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# [19:46] <nemo> smaug: oh. and I put JS engine for that bug, but it was a complete guess of course :) could be in rendering for all I know
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# [19:49] <smaug> nemo: well, lots of it was in js eng
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# [19:51] <ehsan> zpao: ping
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# [19:51] <zpao> ehsan: pong
# [19:51] <ehsan> hey
# [19:51] <ehsan> zpao: have you seen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708251 ?
# [19:52] <zpao> ehsan: i have
# [19:52] <ehsan> zpao: have we changed anything recently about how sessionstore works?
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# [19:53] <zpao> i vaguely recall us changing to respecting the startup preference in that case
# [19:53] <ehsan> hmm
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# [19:55] <zpao> ehsan: yup, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660785
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# [19:57] <ddahl> looks like I am the proud owner of one of those beachballing mac firefox profiles
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# [19:58] <ehsan> zpao: hehe, thanks :)
# [19:58] <ddahl> is there a bug specifically on debugging and reporting what is happening when we start and hang forever based on a craptastic profile?
# [19:58] <zpao> ehsan: no problem. i'm commenting now
# [19:59] <ddahl> maybe taras knows offhand? ^^
# [19:59] <ehsan> k
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# [20:10] <WeirdAl> Hey, guys. Can someone do a try-server push for bug 525816? I haven't been able to run a full-regression test on it, and tryserver can do that.
# [20:10] <Ms2ger> Sure
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# [20:11] <WeirdAl> thanks - I just want to see if my patch breaks something else (unlikely, but you never know)
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# [20:15] <like> selam
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# [20:17] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0dfcd86957d7
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# [20:18] <WeirdAl> -a means "all"?
# [20:18] <edmorley> WeirdAl: yup
# [20:18] <WeirdAl> cool
# [20:18] <WeirdAl> so in about 4 to 8 hours I should have a pretty good idea
# [20:19] <Ms2ger> Does anybody maintain the trychooser extension?
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# [20:25] <sfink> I want a tool that I can point to a patch, and have it create a bug, update the patch description to "Bug NNNN - Fix warnings. r=woof!", attach the patch, mark it checkin-needed, and leave me alone. Anything already exist?
# [20:25] <jhammel> bzexport? ::shrug::
# [20:25] <jhammel> i suppose not
# [20:25] <khuey> bzexport?
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# [20:25] <khuey> it can do half of that
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# [20:26] <sfink> Hm, yeah. I guess it just needs a --new-bug option or something.
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# [20:31] <msucan> where is the code that handles what is typed in the urlbar? the code that handles the Entery key event
# [20:32] <jhammel> sfink: yes, it is a commonly requested feature
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# [20:39] <jduell> So is it just me, or has mozilla.com email been down for more than a day?
# [20:39] <jduell> (or maybe no one's sending me any more email: that would be nice)
# [20:39] <khuey> it's back up
# [20:39] <khuey> or at least it's supposed to be
# [20:39] <jhammel> khuey: only zimbra, right? no IMAP?
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# [20:40] <khuey> right
# [20:40] <khuey> jduell: yeah, IMAP is turned off
# [20:40] <khuey> if that's how you get your email
# [20:41] <jduell> khuey: ah, so zimbra works? Any timeline for IMAP to return?
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# [20:41] <Standard8> see your email ;-)
# [20:41] <khuey> yes
# [20:41] <khuey> your email explains it better than I can
# [20:41] <Standard8> there's a global from mrz
# [20:42] <bsmedberg> there is?
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# [20:42] <Standard8> yep
# [20:43] <dao> jduell, bsmedberg: https://intranet.mozilla.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=402
# [20:43] <NeilAway> hmm, Ms2ger doesn't use the userbox
# [20:43] <bsmedberg> hrm, I must still not be getting my @m.c email then
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# [20:45] <bsmedberg> aha, it forgot my forwarding setting apparently
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# [20:46] <jduell> bsmedberg: do you know if we have a way to get the total disk space on a partition? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707402#c2
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# [20:47] <bsmedberg> jduell: if MXR were responding I think I could find a method
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# [20:47] <bsmedberg> jduell: well there's nsILocalFile.diskSpaceAvailable
# [20:48] <bsmedberg> jduell: but I don't actually know whether that gives you the total size or the free size
# [20:48] <jduell> bsmedberg: I assume it's the free size
# [20:48] <bsmedberg> don't assume
# [20:48] <bsmedberg> the docstring is vague
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# [20:49] <jduell> bsmedberg: I'll go make sure of that now--we've been using it to guess a smart cache size for the last year :)
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# [20:52] <humph> has anyone ever hit issues with EventUtils synthesizeMouse on OS X?
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# [20:53] <humph> I'm trying to test mouse movement, but on mac it's not doing what I'd expect, and it does on windows
# [20:54] <mcpherrin> diskSpaceAvailable appears to be free space, but the number is bigger than what `df' reports.
# [20:54] <smaug> humph: what are you trying to do?
# [20:55] <humph> smaug: just move the mouse over + down, and make sure it gets there
# [20:55] <humph> works fine on windows, is ignored on mac
# [20:55] <smaug> should work
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# [20:55] <smaug> since there are plenty of tests for that
# [20:55] <humph> agreed
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# [20:57] <jduell> bsmedberg: it's free space. So we currently have no API for getting total disk space, but both unix (fstat) and windows (GetDiskFreeSpaceEx) provide that info. Can I write a patch to add 'totalDiskSpace' to nsILocalFile?
# [20:57] <jduell> Would it need an OS/2 patch?
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# [20:58] <edmorley> imelven: thanks :-)
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# [21:01] <Ms2ger> jduell, bsmedberg doesn't care about OS/2, don't you know?
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# [21:05] <imelven> edmorley: no problem always happy to help :)
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# [21:12] <khuey> heycam: ping?
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# [21:15] <ejpbruel> Enn: ping
# [21:15] <Enn> hi
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# [21:16] <ejpbruel> Enn: hi!
# [21:16] <ejpbruel> i have a weird platform issue which with i hope you could be of some assistance
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# [21:17] <Enn> ok
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# [21:18] <ejpbruel> firebot: bug 697215
# [21:18] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697215 nor, P2, ---, ejpbruel, NEW, Cannot scroll panel on OS X
# [21:18] <ejpbruel> particularly the last comment
# [21:18] <ejpbruel> i have no idea where to start looking for this problem, so any pointers you could give me would be most appreicated
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# [21:19] <khuey> heycam: actually, nevermind, I just can't read your spec :-P
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# [21:22] <Enn> ejpbruel: looks more like a graphics issue.
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# [21:22] <ejpbruel> Enn: yeah, so the thing is that scrolling borks, but only on OS X, and only with that css uncommented
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# [21:23] <Enn> ejpbruel: probably best to ask someone on the graphics team such as joe drew that would be able to help or better redirect you
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# [21:24] <ejpbruel> Enn: what is his irc handle?
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> joe, ^
# [21:24] <ejpbruel> Enn: also, what channel is the graphics team in?
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> #gfx?
# [21:24] <joe> ejpbruel: #gfx :)
# [21:24] <Enn> ejpbruel: if there was a simple testcase in the bug, I could partially investigate
# [21:25] <ejpbruel> Enn: funny, i was thinking the exact same thing :D
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# [21:29] <felipe> given a font family name, is there a way in JS to tell if it's a serif or sans-serif font?
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> No
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> How would you go about that, and why do you need it?
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# [21:31] <felipe> Ms2ger: porting this to JS: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/migration/src/nsIEProfileMigrator.cpp#290 , wondering if there was a JS api around it
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# [21:32] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [21:32] <Ms2ger> ctypes?
# [21:33] <felipe> yeah
# [21:33] * felipe wonders if ctypes supports function callbacks
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> Or default to sans-serif
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> It's not like anybody uses IE anymore
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# [21:34] <felipe> but the windows default is serif!
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# [21:34] <Ms2ger> Or serif
# [21:34] <felipe> :)
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# [21:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/eefedeec832e - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 704622 - Sync the OSX and Unix logic for handling file name extensions. r=smichaud, a=akeybl.
# [21:36] <khuey> we still land stuff on 1.9.2? :-P
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# [21:37] <ted2> sad
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# [21:42] <philor> not as sad as finding out at 10pm that we didn't land the cert expiration patch there
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# [21:45] <NeilAway> dbaron: please let me know whether https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698256#c6 is unclear, thanks
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# [21:47] <Callek> bbondy: ping?
# [21:47] <bbondy> Callek: hi
# [21:47] <Callek> something broke SeaMonkey, and I have a funny feeling its related to the work you're doing
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# [21:47] <Callek> make[5]: *** No rule to make target `/e/builds/slave/comm-cen-trunk-w32-dbg/build/toolkit/mozapps/installer/signing.mk'. Stop.
# [21:48] <Callek> all platforms though it looks like
# [21:48] <bbondy> Callek: none of my work has landed
# [21:48] <mcsmurf> already fixed
# [21:48] <mcsmurf> Standard8 fixed that
# [21:48] <Callek> mcsmurf: ahh great :-)
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# [21:48] <mcsmurf> ;)
# [21:48] <bbondy> :)
# [21:48] <Callek> missed teh cset describing it
# [21:48] <mcsmurf> at least I think that it was fixed http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5c8405e6226e
# [21:49] <mcsmurf> locally this checkin did fix my build error
# [21:49] <Callek> yea looks like that was it
# [21:49] <mcsmurf> the error is in suite/ right?
# [21:49] <mcsmurf> ok
# [21:49] <Callek> suite/installer
# [21:49] <bbondy> Callek: I think catlee and team landed some signing stuff for some binaries not sure if related
# [21:49] <mcsmurf> yes
# [21:49] <catlee> yep
# [21:49] <catlee> I think Standard8 fixed
# [21:50] <bbondy> k
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# [21:50] <Standard8> yeah, TB is looking more fixed
# [21:51] <khuey> apparently 'letmein' is a banned password for yammer
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# [21:51] <Callek> khuey: then you should use 'password'
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# [21:52] <Ms2ger> /msg nickserv ghost khuey letmein
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> Oops
# [21:52] <khuey> nice try
# [21:53] <khuey> my nickserv password is pretty easy but it's not letmein
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> Is that a dare?
# [21:53] <bbondy> hah
# [21:54] <Jesse> taras: does https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393664 block https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662444 ?
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# [22:06] <bhearsum> jrmuizel: did you file a bug on that thing you said you were going to?
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# [22:06] <bhearsum> cool
# [22:07] <jrmuizel> bhearsum: bug 708632
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# [22:23] <nigelb> How did I misunderstand checkin-needed to be a whiteboard flag instead of a keyword :/
# [22:23] <nigelb> Clearly I can't read.
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# [22:26] <ted2> nigelb: the fact that we have two fields with similar purposes right next to each other?
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# [22:26] <ted2> understandably confusing
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# [22:27] <nigelb> ted2: Also, I think people are programmed to catch this mistake. Or maybe bugzilla is.
# [22:27] <nigelb> I used it in whiteboard at least 3 to 4 times before someone pointed it out to me today :)
# [22:27] <smaug> hmm, having 10+ tbpl tabs open can really kill the network connection
# [22:27] <ted2> bugzilla is definitely not :)
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# [22:28] <WeirdAl> :( I find it a little hard to believe that my xhr-timeout patch caused all those problems on Android-opt... https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0dfcd86957d7
# [22:29] <khuey> WeirdAl: you can ignore android opt reftests
# [22:29] <edmorley> WeirdAl: it didn't ; that's native
# [22:29] <khuey> they're totally busted
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# [22:32] <philor> straw poll: what's more confusing, seeing all that crap that cannot run in tbpl, or not seeing it in tbpl but getting email about it?
# [22:32] <philor> and yeah, I know the answer you want to give, "don't run shit that doesn't run as part of -a"
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# [22:34] <mbrubeck> personally I find the emails useless
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# [22:34] <mbrubeck> so I want tbpl to tell me what to care about
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# [22:36] <taras> Jesse: no idea
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# [22:37] <taras> i dont think it blocks
# [22:37] <taras> but i'm not sure what the relationship is
# [22:37] <Jesse> taras: the question is whether exit(0) will cause the same thing to happen
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# [22:39] <philor> jmaher: tree=Try&noignore=1 for your native Android reftest and crashtest and browser-chrome and jsreftest greening up try pushes, I just hid them
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# [22:45] <jmaher> philor: you hid reftest on try for android?
# [22:46] <@bz> is mozilla.com mail still down?
# [22:46] <hub> IMAP
# [22:46] <dRdR> bz: no just imap and all email from the 22nd onward is lost
# [22:46] <hub> try the web mail
# [22:46] <hub> dRdR: so all, for me
# [22:46] <dRdR> hub: :(
# [22:47] <taras> Jesse: no idea
# [22:47] <@bz> dRdR: _ouch_
# [22:47] <philor> jmaher: I hid all the permabusted things that we have hidden everywhere else
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# [22:47] <@bz> dRdR: that... sucks
# [22:47] <philor> including reftest
# [22:47] * @bz considers resending some mail
# [22:47] <dRdR> bz: yeah, apparently someone jinxed a raid 5
# [22:47] <jmaher> philor: ok; I hope to have most of it fixed next week
# [22:47] <@bz> dRdR: I assume imap is still being worked on?
# [22:48] <dRdR> bz: yeah they have it disabled, they can re-enable it at any time
# [22:48] <dRdR> I forgot their reason for disabling it
# [22:48] <@bz> hrm
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# [22:48] <dRdR> they sent out an email shortly after webmail was restored so you can read that
# [22:48] <khuey> so that people don't lose their local copies of their mail
# [22:48] <dRdR> that would probably be it
# [22:48] <Jesse> like i lost my local copy of my calendar
# [22:48] <khuey> if their client syncs with the server
# [22:50] <@bz> hmm
# [22:50] <@bz> ok, fair
# [22:50] <@bz> another question
# [22:50] <@bz> were the various mozilla.com mailing list archives still working?
# [22:50] * @bz goes to check
# [22:50] <@bz> hrm
# [22:50] <khuey> lists.mozilla.com appears to be ... unhealthy
# [22:50] <Mook_as> news.mozilla.org was slightly broken yesterday, but got a better today, IIRC?
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# [22:52] <Callek> Mook_as: news.m.o broken? thats giganews hosted
# [22:53] <Mook_as> Callek: or just me connection being crap. (yeah, I knew about the giganews part.)
# [22:53] <Mook_as> I just figured it decided to fall over because, hey, everything-else.mozilla.org was doing it
# [22:54] <khuey> it probably just felt left out
# [22:54] <khuey> "all the cool kids are down, why am I still working?"
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# [22:54] <Callek> lol
# [22:55] <jhammel> ahal: ping
# [22:55] <ahal> jhammel: pong
# [22:55] <jhammel> ahal: sorry, meant to do that in #ateam
# [22:56] * @bz reads list archives to see what mail he missed
# [22:56] <jhammel> bz: you've heard we're converting Firefox to a google app engine app right?
# [22:57] <@bz> jhammel: meh
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# [22:57] <@bz> there were some threads that he hadn't realized were still ongoing that people are waiting for answers from him on
# [22:57] <@bz> I wonder whether we can get mailman to redeliver list mails to moco addresses?
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# [23:00] <Tobbi> Hmm, I just got some compiler warning inside a file for an uninitialized int 'ch'. I copied the function here: http://pastebin.com/C98eUefj Does anyone know where ch gets its value in the first place? I see the value being referenced but we never assign anything to it, am I right?
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# [23:01] <Tobbi> (for reference: The function is from nsprpub/pr/src/io/prprf.c
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# [23:01] <Mook_as> Tobbi: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/src/io/prscanf.c#115 ?
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# [23:02] <@bz> so in the zimbra webmail
# [23:03] <@bz> how do I see all the mail?
# [23:03] <@bz> not just the first 100 of them?
# [23:03] <Callek> Tobbi: and looks like from scanning that function that all uses of ch are first tested "WITHIN_WIDTH"
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# [23:04] <dRdR> bz: if you scroll down to the bottom it should keep loading them
# [23:04] <Tobbi> Alright. I will probably not do anything about that source code then..
# [23:04] <Tobbi> I was going to init it with 0 just to get rid of the warning.
# [23:05] <@bz> dRdR: it doesn't
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# [23:05] <dRdR> bz: noscript or something?
# [23:05] <@bz> nope
# [23:06] <dRdR> bz: weird, using fx 9 or newer?
# [23:06] <@bz> An unknown error (mail.NO_SUCH_BLOB) has occurred.
# [23:06] <dRdR> 0_o I got nothing
# [23:06] <@bz> using nightly
# [23:06] <dRdR> same
# [23:06] <@bz> then after that unknown error, no more loading
# [23:06] <dRdR> bz: apparently yammer also works
# [23:07] <@bz> (it's in the "Loading...." state, but no actual loading)
# [23:07] <dRdR> if you have that it might work
# [23:07] * @bz doesn't have yammer
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# [23:07] <dRdR> but not if you set it up now apparently
# [23:07] <dRdR> okay
# [23:07] <kbrosnan> bz: old mail
# [23:07] <Tobbi> Mook_as, Sorry, where you asking where the source code was in mxr I was refererring to?
# [23:07] <Tobbi> *were
# [23:07] <@bz> kbrosnan: hmm?
# [23:07] <@bz> kbrosnan: what about it?
# [23:07] <Mook_as> Tobbi: no; that's where ch is assigned to.
# [23:07] <Tobbi> Ah.
# [23:08] <@bz> ah, I see
# [23:08] <Mook_as> (conditionally, of course; so you'll want to check that all reads from ch use the same condition)
# [23:08] <kbrosnan> bz: old mail is not hooked up
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# [23:08] <@bz> if I try to load a mail range that includes an old mail, I get that error and it stops loading altogether
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# [23:08] <@bz> which means that I can't view the mail sorted in ascending date order
# [23:08] <@bz> lovely
# [23:08] * @bz cries
# [23:08] <@bz> ok
# [23:08] <Tobbi> Mook_as, I probably get some easier warning to start with ;) I'm merely a beginner more or less to this.
# [23:08] <@bz> that's it for the day
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# [23:08] <Tobbi> Mozilla's source is very advanced, I'm glad I got it to compile for the first time.
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# [23:13] <NeilAway> dbaron: it's not required, but the point is to use the new method ;-)
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# [23:13] <dRdR> bz_away: I get that ssame error now too, but only when I try to open an older message
# [23:13] <Tobbi> Mook_as, Never mind. I can initialize it with 0, as it gets passed the proper value later, anyway.
# [23:13] <Tobbi> So, it won't change anything ;)
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# [23:16] <kbrosnan> dRdR: any message with a recive date before the outage is offline atm
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# [23:16] <dRdR> kbrosnan: okay, thanks
# [23:16] <kbrosnan> only the message headers were restored as part of the initial restore
# [23:17] <kbrosnan> mrz said something about processing the older data over the next several days
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# [23:18] <cpearce> philor: Shall we disable test_fullscreenapi on winxp to reduce the bugspam? It's finally starting to get to me.
# [23:18] <philor> cpearce: we should indeed
# [23:18] <cpearce> philor: I will make it happen.
# [23:19] <philor> sadly, despite having added OS to specialpowers, I don't really know what format it is, so while I suspect you want to .test for "WINNT 5\.1" I'm not entirely sure
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# [23:20] <cpearce> philor: "ifeq ($(OS_ARCH)$(OS_RELEASE),WINNT5.1)" in the makefile seems to be working.
# [23:21] <ted2> cpearce: that's not gonna work
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# [23:21] <ted2> we build on Win2k3 machines, which is where the makefiles run
# [23:21] <philor> and that one build runs on Win7 and WinXP
# [23:21] <cpearce> Nuts.
# [23:21] <ted2> but then we run the same build+test package on all the different test machines (winxp, win7)
# [23:21] <jarib> mrbkap: hi. i work on webdriver (which has an ext. that automates firefox), and i'm hitting some issues with sites that set document.domain and unwrapped elements in the extension
# [23:22] <jarib> wondering if you're available for a chat
# [23:22] <philor> cpearce: you want http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/tests/test_reftests_with_caret.html?force=1#97 in the test itself, only for 5\.1 not all win
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# [23:22] <cpearce> Righto.
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# [23:29] <Pike> bhearsum: I don't understand your question in bug 698425
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# [23:30] <bhearsum> Pike: you said you wanted to use the build config and tweak it, right?
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# [23:32] <jwir3> ms2ger, ping?
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# [23:32] <jhammel> jwir3: he is gone
# [23:32] <jwir3> ah
# [23:32] <jwir3> yes, I just realized that ;)
# [23:32] <Pike> bhearsum: well, in the patch, not as part of the build process
# [23:32] <@bz_away> so wait
# [23:33] <jwir3> no worries, I'll catch him tomorrow :)
# [23:33] <Pike> I'll comment in the bug again
# [23:33] <@bz_away> I certainly have mail from after the 22nd
# [23:33] <bhearsum> ah, ok
# [23:33] <bhearsum> i might be ok with that
# [23:33] <@bz_away> what's the actual state of what got lost?
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# [23:34] <Waldo> bz: note that if the recipients had save-mail-offline set, they might have copies regardless (unless this is stuff sent just super-recently)
# [23:34] <@bz> gah
# [23:34] <@bz> $%^$%&^%& zimbra
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# [23:35] <@bz> Waldo: I'm interested in stuff I sent recently here
# [23:35] <Waldo> ah
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# [23:35] <@bz> Waldo: I assume old stuff is archived and will appear eventually
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# [23:35] <kbrosnan> more or less anything from friday to monday some time
# [23:36] <kbrosnan> stuff that you sent during that time and currently is missing
# [23:36] <kbrosnan> anything after they started mail queuing on monday should get through
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# [23:38] <kbrosnan> sadly it requires you to know what other mozillians may or may not have read
# [23:38] <@bz> right
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# [23:40] <@bz> hrm
# [23:40] <@bz> there is at least one mail that I think I sent that is not showing up in the list archives either...
# [23:40] <@bz> was that down for a bit too?
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# [23:41] <kbrosnan> check news.mozilla.org directly?
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# [23:43] <jcranmer> you know
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# [23:44] <jcranmer> I want to shoot anyone who designed an API that uses wstring
# [23:44] <jcranmer> I'm fine (although annoyed) with AString
# [23:44] <jcranmer> but wstring just requires so many hoops
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# [23:45] <jcranmer> especially when you're trying to call it with what is effectively a const char*
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# [23:45] <loadbang> https://web.tweetdeck.com/web/unsupported.html
# [23:45] <loadbang> :-/
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# [23:47] <roc> gah
# [23:48] <roc> what happens if you spoof the UA?
# [23:48] <mcpherrin> Tweetdeck's beta works in firefox.
# [23:48] <mcsmurf> browser detection - some things never change
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# [23:48] <decoder> has anyone seen this build error before? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1397328
# [23:49] <philor> "executing negative control" sounds less like a make check failure than military newspeak for wrecking a vehicle
# [23:49] <khuey> roc: it works
# [23:49] <khuey> or the page loads, at least
# [23:49] <loadbang> mcpherrin: I do not think this is the beta.
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# [23:49] <loadbang> mcpherrin: the beta is now released.
# [23:49] <mcsmurf> decoder: normal Linux? but no, haven't seen this before
# [23:50] <decoder> mcsmurf: normal linux, building with clang
# [23:50] <mcpherrin> loadbang: I see.
# [23:50] <decoder> I didnt get this error few weeks ago
# [23:50] <decoder> now it's there
# [23:50] <decoder> :/
# [23:50] <roc> mcpherrin: well, that's good
# [23:50] <khuey> roc: it appears to be fully functional ifyou spoof the UA
# [23:51] <roc> ha
# [23:51] <roc> file a tech evangelism bug? start a twitter war?
# [23:51] <khuey> yeah, I'll file a TE bu
# [23:51] <khuey> g
# [23:51] <mcpherrin>
# [23:52] <khuey> there is a bunch of webkit specific css
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# [23:54] <khuey> filed 708857
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# [23:54] <@bz> kbrosnan: this is not a news.mozilla.org list
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# [23:55] <@bz> khuey: starting a twitter war is not a bad idea either
# [23:55] <@bz> khuey: make sure to cc Alex Russel, of course
# [23:55] <khuey> who do I start a war with?
# [23:55] * khuey has no idea who these tweetdeck people are
# [23:55] <@bz> khuey: since he's so sure web devs test in multiple engines
# [23:55] <khuey> ha
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# [23:56] <@bz> khuey: actually, I'll just directly tweet alex
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# [23:56] <khuey> heh, ok
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# [23:57] <gavin> isn't this more likely to be a case of "we tested in firefox but found a bug and couldn't figure out how to fix it"?
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# [23:57] <@bz> gavin: not likely, honestly
# [23:57] <khuey> well, they're rejecting IE 9 too
# [23:58] * khuey test opera
# [23:58] <mcpherrin> They're whitelisting Chrome/Safari.
# [23:58] <@bz> gavin: more like a case of "we didn't even bother trying to make all our webkit-specific crap work in any other browser, so we'll just block them all"
# [23:58] <khuey> hmm, I don't have opera anymore
# [23:58] <gavin> bz: yeah, I guess that's true
# [23:58] <khuey> bz: it doesn't even look like they have much webkit specific crap
# [23:58] <@bz> gavin: and since his argument is that webdevs write cross-browser code...
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# [23:58] * khuey sees a bit of CSS
# [23:58] <mcpherrin> They block Opera.
# [23:58] <@bz> khuey: yeah, well
# [23:59] <khuey> maybe some of the JS ... /me isn't going to exercise the whole site
# [23:59] <mcpherrin> I saw a few javascript errors from date parsing
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# [23:59] <khuey> is tweetdeck actually done by twitter itself?
# [23:59] <mcpherrin> I think twitter bought them.
# Session Close: Fri Dec 09 00:00:00 2011

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